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>Someday, I would like to probe why so many people, not particularly >you ,, take delight in prophesizing doom

Maybe because good news isn't much news? I mean, where's the drama? Or maybe if things are going well we don't need to hear about it so we can change it? Then again, there's that ego thing about security and wanting to know the worst so we can be prepared for it. Who has to or wants to prepare for the good stuff? Just let it happen.

But then again, real prophecy is a lot different than simple gloom and doom.

Blissings,

Sam

Don't believe everything you think. ~ Bumper Sticker"Many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our point of view." ~ Obi-Wan KenobiDon't worry about what people think, they don't do it very often.

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Greg says:

>>But perhaps it is necessary for the new era to

begin with this last gasp of shadow energy from the

remaining vestages of the last one.<<

--It seems like an inevitable consequence of millions

of people giving up autonomy in order to dissociate

themselves from guilt and responsibility. When

everyone follows a leader, the leader ends up as a

sacrifice. It's a game. The leader agrees to play the

part in order to feel special and necessary, and the

group gives the leader power in order to avoid feeling

responsible for creating their own path. Eventually,

both suffer for each other's sins. You're probably

right that the shadow has to have its last outburst

before the Aquarian energy can get a foothold. Let's

hope the fascist trance falls apart as its leaders get

caught up in the archetypes and embarrass themselves.

In the Islamic world, that has happened to some

degree, but political power is still in the hands of

people who can do great damage before they fall under

the weight of their own complexes and public outrage.

In the US, the trance should start collapsing in time

for the '08 election, even if a Republican is elected

(the candidate would most likely be a moderate, not a

religious panderer). China and North Korea may be a

problem, though. There is no guarantee that a nuclear

exchange won't happen, and if it does, it will make

the entire planet insecure, leading to huge levels of

post-traumatic stress and making real progress very

difficult. The positive side of it would be a massive,

synchronized display of concern for the future, an

event which would make media spectacles like 911 and

the Pope's death seem insignificant in comparison.

It's only a question of how much damage has to be done

in order to liberate the creative energy that is

currently tied up in personal drama, entertainment and

financial worries.

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Dear ,

Many years ago I used to tell my adult underachieving students that a positive mindset would be a good way to start changing their future.

Having just read your post, I would say, the old warning that what we fear most we bring to ourselves, attract to ourselves,is valid. I do not think your outlook is anything I would want to speculate on. Nuclear war? I am not at all sure I can foresee a positive side to that. Nor do I believe in the human destruction of this world.

I do agree with Alice that there are no mistakes, and the world will have to watch what the millions of R.C. members have to put up with. The US will find it a rough going for the liberal catholic, and maybe there is where the next future turn around will be. As long as anyone still insists he has a special ear to the Divine, and only he knows the truth, millions are still in the soup...Many American Catholics are restive with this refrain.

this, you said and I want not to agree:

"It's only a question of how much damage has to be donein order to liberate the creative energy that iscurrently tied up in personal drama, entertainment andfinancial worries"

"'It's only a question of how much damage has to be done"

By whom and to whom, ?

You may be right, we only learn from suffering and tragedy, but I still hope in the future. What is Is, so we will all have to accept it.But fear is not the way to a fruitful and good life. Negativity breeds fear, and we really have no clue to the future.

has one thing right, I personally think; The pox on all religious organizations which cannot help but put their survival as an organization above the general good and the peace of millions.AS long as power is what each is thirsting for, for its own aggrandizement, a pox on it and them, from me too. It only took 200 years for one organization to highjack the spiritual beliefs of the early Christians, and codify them, concretize them as they changed them, in order that they could then call all those who didn't agree, heretics...to be everlastingly punished.

In spite of this, I am not about to become a pessimist about the future....there is more in this cosmos than just us human beings bent on self destruction. At least I choose to think so. That is not the message I personally find in meditation and/or prayer. What happened to hope and trust?..or where should we place our hope and trust? In other men and their weapons or on a spiritual promise we can cooperate with?

Someday, I would like to probe why so many people, not particularly you ,, take delight in prophesizing doom

Toni

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Greg says:>>But perhaps it is necessary for the new era to begin with this last gasp of shadow energy from theremaining vestages of the last one.<<--It seems like an inevitable consequence of millionsof people giving up autonomy in order to dissociatethemselves from guilt and responsibility. Wheneveryone follows a leader, the leader ends up as asacrifice. It's a game. The leader agrees to play thepart in order to feel special and necessary, and thegroup gives the leader power in order to avoid feelingresponsible for creating their own path. Eventually,both suffer for each other's sins. You're probablyright that the shadow has to have its last outburstbefore the Aquarian energy can get a foothold. Let'shope the fascist trance falls apart as its leaders getcaught up in the archetypes and embarrass themselves. In the Islamic world, that has happened to somedegree, but political power is still in the hands ofpeople who can do great damage before they fall underthe weight of their own complexes and public outrage.In the US, the trance should start collapsing in timefor the '08 election, even if a Republican is elected(the candidate would most likely be a moderate, not areligious panderer). China and North Korea may be aproblem, though. There is no guarantee that a nuclearexchange won't happen, and if it does, it will makethe entire planet insecure, leading to huge levels ofpost-traumatic stress and making real progress verydifficult. The positive side of it would be a massive,synchronized display of concern for the future, anevent which would make media spectacles like 911 andthe Pope's death seem insignificant in comparison.It's only a question of how much damage has to be donein order to liberate the creative energy that iscurrently tied up in personal drama, entertainment andfinancial worries. __________________________________________________

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> You're probably right that the shadow has to have

> its last outburst before the Aquarian energy can get

> a foothold. Let's hope the fascist trance falls

> apart as its leaders get caught up in the archetypes

> and embarrass themselves.

Early signs are hopeful, but I smell Rat (no pun

intended). Presenting one's self as a reconcilor and

uniter is becoming familiar in politics...now we hear

it on the religious front. Kind of like king W

calling himself a " compassionate conservative " as he

signs the bankrupcy bill into law that favors the

already-enormous and highly profitable banks.

I keep wondering if Jesus were walking among us today

if he would really recognize his message from the

mouths of the well-fed, well-healed, less taxed

Republicans who love to spout their evangelistic

orthodoxy, while the have nots steadily get the shaft.

" Compassionate " is the oxy part of their moronic

mantra that has come to symbolize Bush gross economic

elitism in this country. Boulton is sent up as UN

ambassador (a man who is firmly on record as one who

would rather that institution not exist); And now, Tom

Delay (who makes a much better exterminator than a

Congressman IMO) wants to lecture the Supreme Court

about ethics. What will they come up with next.

And, as Alice has suggested, they are somehow very

convincingly (to so many) able to red green and simply

get away with it by their simple, brazen, lying

assertions - time after time.

The pot it is a boilin! But just wait until the new

Rotwieler in the vatican takes hold. I'm watching with

bemuzement and amazement as things heat up even more,

wondering just how far the pendulum must swing to the

already far in the direction of extreme of orthodoxy

and economic privilege now so clearly in the

ascendant. I'm guessing the mid year elections will be

the first signal of the answer to that question.

Greg

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