Guest guest Posted April 3, 2004 Report Share Posted April 3, 2004 Hello Again , Sorry to hear about the problems from different batches. I don't know much about Prostosol, or Equiguard for that matter but I wonder if the effects of both derive from vegetable oestrogens. Thanks for the link to Equiguard by the way. I have recently heard about a Dutch book referring to the anti Ca P effects of some bee products, especially collected pollen & substances bees make from plants to block up holes in their hives & to act as an antiseptic & anti fungal agent. I wonder if these too are associated with plant oestrogens. Honey is an anti infective & aids healing so there may be more to this than simply oestrogens. I am trying to get hold of the book & will let you & group colleagues know when I do, if it does seem to say something of interest to us all. Yes, as you might have guessed, I am a beekeeper. Best wishes, (Mid Wales) Prostosol Hello, I am still on Prostosol but my experience may be of some help to others. While I have had some success in limiting my p.s.a. to 15 it has been erratic possibly due to inconsistences between the batches:- Batch 1538 p.s.a. rose sharply from 3.5 to 10 in one month. Batch replaced without charge Batch 1279 reduced p.s.a. by 0.7 per month Batch 1285 p.s.a. rose by 3.5 per month These results are shared by a friend using the same batches. The supplement has been taken strictly on P.C Spes guidelines and allother supplements and lifestyle have been constant. My conclusion is to move on to a more reliable remedy (if it exists) I am looking again at Equiguard which is backed by a detailed clinical report www.equiguardonline.com and claims accurate quality control. However,while its efficacy is measured in apoptosis and ability to abolish colony formation it is not noted for p.s.a. reductioin. Does anyone have any up to date comment/information/experience or knowledge of newcomers to the market? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2004 Report Share Posted April 4, 2004 Dear and All, Can I just say that Equiguard is NOT estrogenic. Equiguard is completely different from all PC-SPES-analogue type treatments. PC-SPES is basically an estrogen, like DES or ethinylestradiol, except PC-SPES is herbal in origin and the others are synthetic. [ OK I know some people will dispute the herbal origin bit, but that is the theory anyway, and I don't want to get bogged down in ancient history ;-] PC-SPES was designed to copy the the 'management pattern' of western medical estrogen treatment for prostate cancer by suppressing androgens (male hormones) and increasing estrogens (female hormones). This is based on the 'theory' that women do not get prostate cancer because they do not have a prostate, so get rid of the prostate with female hormones that shrink it. Equiguard is based on traditional chinese medicine (TCM) principles that go back many hundreds if not thousands of years. The idea behind Equiguard is to get the male reproductive system (of which the prostate is part) properly functioning. In principle, if you take Equiguard you need to be OFF all conventional meds - AA's, LHRH-a, 5-a-blockers and so on in order to get the reproductive system working, (although Equiguard has been show to kill PC cells in an adrogen free environment in test tubes). This is basically the type of treatment Asians go for and they have 1/10 the PC stats in China that we have in Europe and the USA. It is a new treatment over here. Sammy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2004 Report Share Posted April 4, 2004 Thanks Sammy, that's interesting & useful about Equiguard. Re: Prostosol Dear and All, Can I just say that Equiguard is NOT estrogenic. Equiguard is completely different from all PC-SPES-analogue type treatments. PC-SPES is basically an estrogen, like DES or ethinylestradiol, except PC-SPES is herbal in origin and the others are synthetic. [ OK I know some people will dispute the herbal origin bit, but that is the theory anyway, and I don't want to get bogged down in ancient history ;-] PC-SPES was designed to copy the the 'management pattern' of western medical estrogen treatment for prostate cancer by suppressing androgens (male hormones) and increasing estrogens (female hormones). This is based on the 'theory' that women do not get prostate cancer because they do not have a prostate, so get rid of the prostate with female hormones that shrink it. Equiguard is based on traditional chinese medicine (TCM) principles that go back many hundreds if not thousands of years. The idea behind Equiguard is to get the male reproductive system (of which the prostate is part) properly functioning. In principle, if you take Equiguard you need to be OFF all conventional meds - AA's, LHRH-a, 5-a-blockers and so on in order to get the reproductive system working, (although Equiguard has been show to kill PC cells in an adrogen free environment in test tubes). This is basically the type of treatment Asians go for and they have 1/10 the PC stats in China that we have in Europe and the USA. It is a new treatment over here. Sammy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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