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Hi Sue

I would consider Hydrastis for its disc sealing ability and Equisetum or

Bambusa arundinacea (Vamsa lochana) for their high silica content and

affinity to the discs, spine, joints and cartilages. Hypericum for nerve

injury perhaps - consider in high homeopathic potency (200c / 1m) if no

effects with tincture.

Best wishes

Craig

spinal injury

Hi everyone, I've been looking back thru the archives and see that there've

been some recent postings on this subject. Just wondered if anyone could

suggest anything further for a new pt, I've only seen her once so far. 29

year old woman who wants to come off raft of pain meds that she's been

taking since April 05. Prolapsed discs at L4 and L5, also annulus " torn

loose " (pts description). Currently, sitting for extended periods leads to

faecal and urinary retention. During the consultation she had to lie on the

floor to relieve the pain. Several factors may have contributed to the

problem, but the onset of Sx was quite sudden and dramatic about 15 minutes

after chiropractic tx for right hip and shoulder pain whilst travelling in

Australia. In hospital for total of 6 months in Australia and then in Uk.

She takes Oxycodone, Oxynorm, Lyrica, Baclofen, and Telfast and Omeprazole

to counteract the side effects of the pain relief. She manages the

strength/freq of pain meds herself. MH of note - spinal injury following

fall aged 19yrs which resolved with no obvious residual problems, PCOD

recently Dx. She became very depressed late last year and tried to commit

suicide. She's no longer depressed but there are a lot of issues (apart from

the injury and it's impact on her life) that she recognises she still needs

to deal with.

Her diet is not very good and we've talked about the benefits of a low GI

diet, managing blood sugar effectively, eating little and often etc. I've

recommended increasing her Essential Fatty Acid intake. She can't take

alcohol with her pain meds. I've given her pukka's Turmeric and Boswellia

caps.

She is also seeing a colleague who's a hypnotherapist with a view to pain

management.

Any other ideas would be gratefully received.

Thanks

Sue Salmon

Huddersfield

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Dear Craig,

May I ask would that high potency dose of Hypericum be applicable to

neurodegenerative disorders also or specifically to nerve injury from

trauma?

All the best,

Anne Varley

Anne Varley BSc, MNIMH

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>To: <ukherbal-list >

>Subject: RE: spinal injury

>Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:08:38 -0000

>

>

>Hi Sue

>I would consider Hydrastis for its disc sealing ability and Equisetum or

>Bambusa arundinacea (Vamsa lochana) for their high silica content and

>affinity to the discs, spine, joints and cartilages. Hypericum for nerve

>injury perhaps - consider in high homeopathic potency (200c / 1m) if no

>effects with tincture.

>Best wishes

>Craig

>

> spinal injury

>

>Hi everyone, I've been looking back thru the archives and see that there've

>been some recent postings on this subject. Just wondered if anyone could

>suggest anything further for a new pt, I've only seen her once so far. 29

>year old woman who wants to come off raft of pain meds that she's been

>taking since April 05. Prolapsed discs at L4 and L5, also annulus " torn

>loose " (pts description). Currently, sitting for extended periods leads to

>faecal and urinary retention. During the consultation she had to lie on the

>floor to relieve the pain. Several factors may have contributed to the

>problem, but the onset of Sx was quite sudden and dramatic about 15 minutes

>after chiropractic tx for right hip and shoulder pain whilst travelling in

>Australia. In hospital for total of 6 months in Australia and then in Uk.

>She takes Oxycodone, Oxynorm, Lyrica, Baclofen, and Telfast and Omeprazole

>to counteract the side effects of the pain relief. She manages the

>strength/freq of pain meds herself. MH of note - spinal injury following

>fall aged 19yrs which resolved with no obvious residual problems, PCOD

>recently Dx. She became very depressed late last year and tried to commit

>suicide. She's no longer depressed but there are a lot of issues (apart

>from

>the injury and it's impact on her life) that she recognises she still needs

>to deal with.

>Her diet is not very good and we've talked about the benefits of a low GI

>diet, managing blood sugar effectively, eating little and often etc. I've

>recommended increasing her Essential Fatty Acid intake. She can't take

>alcohol with her pain meds. I've given her pukka's Turmeric and Boswellia

>caps.

>She is also seeing a colleague who's a hypnotherapist with a view to pain

>management.

>Any other ideas would be gratefully received.

>Thanks

>Sue Salmon

>Huddersfield

>

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Hi Ann

My understanding of Hypericum is as a therapeutic agent in injuries to nerve

rich regions (e.g. digits, coccyx, face, genitalia etc) or for traumatic

injury to the nervous system – central or peripheral (e.g. after head

injury, lumbar puncture, spinal trauma etc). It is especially effective in

cases where the pain is of a shooting quality, especially if this shoots ‘up

the limb’. Homeopaths would consider many different medicines for

neurodegenerative disorders – usually more ‘heavyweight’ toxic-type

substances (e.g. heavy metals (mercurius, plumbum, argentums etc), Lathyrus,

Causticum, Gelsemium, Lanthanides, Syphilinum etc)

Hope that helps

Best wishes

Craig

Dear Craig,

May I ask would that high potency dose of Hypericum be applicable to

neurodegenerative disorders also or specifically to nerve injury from

trauma?

All the best,

Anne Varley

Anne Varley BSc, MNIMH

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tel - + 322 6443110

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>Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:08:38 -0000

>

>

>Hi Sue

>I would consider Hydrastis for its disc sealing ability and Equisetum or

>Bambusa arundinacea (Vamsa lochana) for their high silica content and

>affinity to the discs, spine, joints and cartilages. Hypericum for nerve

>injury perhaps - consider in high homeopathic potency (200c / 1m) if no

>effects with tincture.

>Best wishes

>Craig

>

> spinal injury

>

>Hi everyone, I've been looking back thru the archives and see that there've

>been some recent postings on this subject. Just wondered if anyone could

>suggest anything further for a new pt, I've only seen her once so far. 29

>year old woman who wants to come off raft of pain meds that she's been

>taking since April 05. Prolapsed discs at L4 and L5, also annulus " torn

>loose " (pts description). Currently, sitting for extended periods leads to

>faecal and urinary retention. During the consultation she had to lie on the

>floor to relieve the pain. Several factors may have contributed to the

>problem, but the onset of Sx was quite sudden and dramatic about 15 minutes

>after chiropractic tx for right hip and shoulder pain whilst travelling in

>Australia. In hospital for total of 6 months in Australia and then in Uk.

>She takes Oxycodone, Oxynorm, Lyrica, Baclofen, and Telfast and Omeprazole

>to counteract the side effects of the pain relief. She manages the

>strength/freq of pain meds herself. MH of note - spinal injury following

>fall aged 19yrs which resolved with no obvious residual problems, PCOD

>recently Dx. She became very depressed late last year and tried to commit

>suicide. She's no longer depressed but there are a lot of issues (apart

>from

>the injury and it's impact on her life) that she recognises she still needs

>to deal with.

>Her diet is not very good and we've talked about the benefits of a low GI

>diet, managing blood sugar effectively, eating little and often etc. I've

>recommended increasing her Essential Fatty Acid intake. She can't take

>alcohol with her pain meds. I've given her pukka's Turmeric and Boswellia

>caps.

>She is also seeing a colleague who's a hypnotherapist with a view to pain

>management.

>Any other ideas would be gratefully received.

>Thanks

>Sue Salmon

>Huddersfield

>

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Sue Salmon wrote:

> taking since April 05. Prolapsed discs at L4 and L5, also annulus " torn

> loose " (pts description). Currently, sitting for extended periods leads to

> faecal and urinary retention.

Have you tried mullein tea, or a fresh herb mullein tincture?

Henriette

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Sue,

mediherb's Saligesic is a briliant

analgesic/antinflammatory for any spinal injury/nerve

compression. I think probably Salix would work just as

well, just it is so disgusting to take..

--- Dr Craig wrote:

>

> Hi Sue

> I would consider Hydrastis for its disc sealing

> ability and Equisetum or

> Bambusa arundinacea (Vamsa lochana) for their high

> silica content and

> affinity to the discs, spine, joints and cartilages.

> Hypericum for nerve

> injury perhaps - consider in high homeopathic

> potency (200c / 1m) if no

> effects with tincture.

> Best wishes

> Craig

>

> spinal injury

>

> Hi everyone, I've been looking back thru the

> archives and see that there've

> been some recent postings on this subject. Just

> wondered if anyone could

> suggest anything further for a new pt, I've only

> seen her once so far. 29

> year old woman who wants to come off raft of pain

> meds that she's been

> taking since April 05. Prolapsed discs at L4 and L5,

> also annulus " torn

> loose " (pts description). Currently, sitting for

> extended periods leads to

> faecal and urinary retention. During the

> consultation she had to lie on the

> floor to relieve the pain. Several factors may have

> contributed to the

> problem, but the onset of Sx was quite sudden and

> dramatic about 15 minutes

> after chiropractic tx for right hip and shoulder

> pain whilst travelling in

> Australia. In hospital for total of 6 months in

> Australia and then in Uk.

> She takes Oxycodone, Oxynorm, Lyrica, Baclofen, and

> Telfast and Omeprazole

> to counteract the side effects of the pain relief.

> She manages the

> strength/freq of pain meds herself. MH of note -

> spinal injury following

> fall aged 19yrs which resolved with no obvious

> residual problems, PCOD

> recently Dx. She became very depressed late last

> year and tried to commit

> suicide. She's no longer depressed but there are a

> lot of issues (apart from

> the injury and it's impact on her life) that she

> recognises she still needs

> to deal with.

> Her diet is not very good and we've talked about the

> benefits of a low GI

> diet, managing blood sugar effectively, eating

> little and often etc. I've

> recommended increasing her Essential Fatty Acid

> intake. She can't take

> alcohol with her pain meds. I've given her pukka's

> Turmeric and Boswellia

> caps.

> She is also seeing a colleague who's a

> hypnotherapist with a view to pain

> management.

> Any other ideas would be gratefully received.

> Thanks

> Sue Salmon

> Huddersfield

>

>

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Hi Niki,

hope you're well.  I don't have any experience with spinal injury, but I am

currently trying out usual nervines + Hericium (Lion's Mane) with a MS patient

with a view to try and encourage nerve regeneration - might be worth a try with

your friend as well.  Only problem is that its quite expensive in smaller

quantities (from MRL), but works out cheaper if you buy larger quantity from

www.elitelands.com  Also, you could speak to at westminster for

his opinion on its use.  Personally I think persisting long term with a twice

daily massage with an oil based on hypericum oil and sesame oil.

good luck,

gursewa. 

 

Hi everyone

Was wondering if anyone could advice me. I recently met up with my friend from

many years and was shocked to find that due to a riding accident she is now

paralised. This occured over a year ago but she has developed some limited

movement over this time in one hand and very slight movement in the second hand.

I was thinking to use herbs that could encourage further regeneration of the

spinal nerves to the hand, using herbs such as Hypericum and Avena but was just

wondering if anyone had first hand experience treating such patients. Any advice

would be very much appreciated.

Best wishes Niki

Niki Lawrence

Medical Herbalist

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No experience in the area, but Hydrocotole also springs to mind and

the western nervous trophorestoratives.

I did a short Dr course a long time ago, and as i recall

he had a mix of nerve herbs which were applied over the head and down

the spine as a compress. possibly also as ear drops. It's in his

literature I believe - (B & B mix? perhaps) Any Dr

herbalists out there to fill in the gaps in my memory?

Sally O

>

> Hi everyone

>

> Was wondering if anyone could advice me. I recently met up with my

> friend from many years and was shocked to find that due to a riding

> accident she is now paralised. This occured over a year ago but she

> has developed some limited movement over this time in one hand and

> very slight movement in the second hand. I was thinking to use

> herbs that could encourage further regeneration of the spinal

> nerves to the hand, using herbs such as Hypericum and Avena but was

> just wondering if anyone had first hand experience treating such

> patients. Any advice would be very much appreciated.

> Best wishes Niki

>

> Niki Lawrence

> Medical Herbalist

> 07813 706980

>

>

>

> To: ukherbal-list@...: benn@...:

> Sun, 7 Sep 2008 18:59:07 +0100Subject: Re: Times

> article - to get the link to work

>

>

>

>

> ,the link is split over 2 linesremedy - copy the underlined

> bit to internet explorer.Then, copy the next line and add it to the

> end of the line in internet explorer so that the whole line ends

> with /article4628938.eceand that should work... Good luck,Benn--

> Benn Abdy- MCPPMedical Herbalist0 or 07957 65 88 90

>

>

>

>

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HI Nicki

No experience of this on the herbal front but have helped a couple of stroke

patients regain use of limbs with hypnotherapy. Basically using deep relaxed

state visualisation feeling the tissues/muscles/nerves tingling/flow of blood

etc to strengthen and then slowly stretching the relevant limb.

With your friend, she may have a need to raise her arm(s) to stroke her horse

for instance. The more she visualises doing it the better.

No guarantees of course - as with anything.

Good luck to her

Boys

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Hi and thank you to everyone that has given advice on the spinal injury query.

You are all great. Will let you know if there is any progress.

Interestingly I chatted to another herbalist yesterday and they indicated that

they felt Ginkgo had been very influencial in healing nerve damage caused by MS.

Interestingly I treated a patient who had had a stroke following a head injury

that left him partially paralised on one side. I used Hypericum and Ginkgo

amongst other herbs for a few months and he has just recently reported that he

developed a pain in left side of his chest. Fearing a heart problem he saw his

doctor who gave him an all clear on that front. Then suddenly a couple of weeks

ago he reported (He lives oversease now) that he can use the left pectoral

muscle in his chest where the pain was. This is the first time in 22 years since

that muscle has worked! It is amazing what the body can do.

Anyway all your suggestions are really appreciated.

Best wishes Niki

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2008 11:56:37 +0100Subject: RE: spinal injury

Hi NikiI have had some success with Zanthoxylum in more minor but varied

nervecomplaints - peripheral neuropathy, paraesthesias, diabetic

neuropathy,anaesthesia after plastic surgery, post herpetic neuralgia etc.

Usuallythere is pain of some description (typically sharp or shooting) or at

leastdisordered sensation (buzzing, tingling, pins and needles, formication).

Ihave used tincture internally and externally and frequently bothconcomitantly.

I realise that these are mainly sensory issues, but Zanthdoes appear to have a

normalising effect on nerve function - Woodwrites about Zanthoxylum in

his books - may be worth a look. Also Cimicifugafor its relationship to

traumatic injury to the spine and affinity to theneck and upper thoracics,

especially with referral to upper limbs,particularly if accompanied by an

element of depression. Also Urtica may beworth considering (cf. urtication!)Best

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Hi Guy

Thanks for the info. There is some good ideas here. My friend is paralised from

the neck down. The only movement is the slight bit in the arms, with lower body

completely paralysed.

Congratulations on doing so well, i think there is a uni prize coming your way

but dont say anything yet as i am not supposed to tell you yet but i gave the

papers over to yesterday. You certainly deserve it

Best wishes Niki

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2008 19:44:06 +0100Subject: Re: spinal injury

Hello Nicky and Sally,Dr Cristopher's B and B formula is:Cimicifuga racemosa,

Caulophyllum, Verbena hastata, Scutellaria lateriflora, Lobelia inflata, all

equal parts, tincture.He suggests that this may help restore malfunctioning

motor nerves. Massage into the base of skull, and upper cervicals, also take 6

to 10 drops bid or tid. Also put 4 to 6 drops of garlic oil in each ear at night

followed by 4 to 6 drops of B and B, plugging with cotton wool. do this 6 nights

per week. Continue for 4 to 6 months or as needed. On the seventh day flush ears

with small ear syringe of warm apple cider vinegar and distilled water, half and

half. Although there is little evidence that I have seen that these herbs have a

direct regenerative effect on damaged nervous tissue, there is certainly a

strong and diverse 'nervine' and antispasmodic action to this formula. There is

probably a lot we do not know about these herbs and their synergy. Dr

was a humble and religious man (not a common pairing of attributes)

and reportedly had success with many cases that were given up by the medical

profession and other practitioners.As some of the patient's motor functions have

returned this suggests that the nerve damage is not complete. What is the extent

of the pt's paralysis?From a simplistic pov the damage is most likely to include

damage to the nerve sheath as this is the outer-layer. Hence it may be worth

considering treating this partly as a sort of trauma-induced non auto- immune

disease of the myelin sheath. Obviously, having this patients MRI results etc

would be helpful. Alan Tillotson (an American herbalist) has treated many MS

patients and has used a product called 'myelin sheath support' , a mixed herb

and nutrient complex to stimulate myelin repair by Planetary Formulas that used

to be available in the uk but which should be available via the net from the US.

It contains : Yogaraj Guggul gum resin, European Elder Berry, Asian Ginseng

Root, Tienchi Ginseng Root, Hawthorn Berry Extract, Shilajit mineral resin,

Bromelain, Amla fruit Extract, Indian Olibanum gum resin, Licorice Root extact,

Ashwagandha Root Extract, Chinese Salvia Root, Vitamin B-12 (as

methylcobalamin), Pantothenic acid (B-5), Calcium (as ethanol amino phosphate

EAP), Kelp thallus, Magnesium Citrate and Malate, Zinc Picolinate, Selenium (as

L-selenomethionine), Copper Sebacate, Manganese Citrate, Chromium Picolinate,

Molybdenum Chelate, Potassium Citrate, Turmeric Root Extract, Hericium erinaceus

mycelium, Astragalus Root Extract, Bacopa plant Extract, Ginger Root, Long

Pepper fruit, Boron Chelate, and Black Pepper fruit Extract.Alan Tillotson also

suggests Alpha-lipoic acid, DHA, vit E 400iu to provide nutrients and allow

antioxidants to penetrate the nerve tissue and to remove fatty poisons. Alan's

overall approach may be of some use for physical nerve damage following trauma

as it helps to reduce neural inflammation as well as to help make healthy

myelin, something that may be helpful in physical nerve trauma as well as

auto-immune nerve damage.Maybe Tlia sp should be considered as it was referred

to as a herb to take fat from where it shouldn't be (eg excess in arteries) to

where it should be (eg around the nerves).I guess that damage that is deeper

than the nerve sheath would be even more problematic to treat. Circulatory

support also makes sense: Rosmarinus possibly, as a nerve stimulant and

circulatory stimulant.You could also try contacting Alan Tillotson directly

(oneearthherbs.squarespace.com). Roundtree, an MD, American again, has

also used herbs and nutrients for neural damage.best wishes,Guy WaddellOn 8 Sep

2008, at 13:39, Sally Owen wrote:> No experience in the area, but Hydrocotole

also springs to mind and> the western nervous trophorestoratives.>> I did a

short Dr course a long time ago, and as i recall> he had a mix of

nerve herbs which were applied over the head and down> the spine as a compress.

possibly also as ear drops. It's in his> literature I believe - (B & B mix?

perhaps) Any Dr > herbalists out there to fill in the gaps in my

memory?>> Sally O>> >> >> > Hi

everyone> >> > Was wondering if anyone could advice me. I recently met up with

my> > friend from many years and was shocked to find that due to a riding> >

accident she is now paralised. This occured over a year ago but she> > has

developed some limited movement over this time in one hand and> > very slight

movement in the second hand. I was thinking to use> > herbs that could encourage

further regeneration of the spinal> > nerves to the hand, using herbs such as

Hypericum and Avena but was> > just wondering if anyone had first hand

experience treating such> > patients. Any advice would be very much

appreciated.> > Best wishes Niki> >> > Niki Lawrence> > Medical Herbalist> >

07813 706980> >> >> >> > To: ukherbal-list@...:

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A very interesting thread ­ I have been treating a patient with nerve damage

down left side after a stroke and after using Ginkgo for some time (among

other things), recently introduced Zanthox. Patient developed unpleasant

(and alarming), painful pins and needles all down the left side, which is

what happened after he started taking Ginkgo, so I persuaded him to

persevere, and also to concentrate on exercising the left arm and leg. I

also suggested he took lower doses for a time and built up. He now reports

cessation of unpleasant symptoms (though no improvement in muscle strength

yet). I was chatting to a physiotherapist recently who confirmed it was

common experience that PAIN is the first sensation to return when nerves are

regenerating. It just shows that pain does not always have to be a negative

sign.

Regards,

Jan

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>

>

>

>

> Hi and thank you to everyone that has given advice on the spinal injury query.

> You are all great. Will let you know if there is any progress.

>

> Interestingly I chatted to another herbalist yesterday and they indicated that

> they felt Ginkgo had been very influencial in healing nerve damage caused by

> MS. Interestingly I treated a patient who had had a stroke following a head

> injury that left him partially paralised on one side. I used Hypericum and

> Ginkgo amongst other herbs for a few months and he has just recently reported

> that he developed a pain in left side of his chest. Fearing a heart problem he

> saw his doctor who gave him an all clear on that front. Then suddenly a couple

> of weeks ago he reported (He lives oversease now) that he can use the left

> pectoral muscle in his chest where the pain was. This is the first time in 22

> years since that muscle has worked! It is amazing what the body can do.

> Anyway all your suggestions are really appreciated.

> Best wishes Niki

>

> To: ukherbal-list@...

> <mailto:ukherbal-list%40yahoogroups.comFrom> : craigdwright@...

> <mailto:craigdwright%40hotmail.comDate> : Tue, 9 Sep 2008 11:56:37

> +0100Subject: RE: spinal injury

>

> Hi NikiI have had some success with Zanthoxylum in more minor but varied

> nervecomplaints - peripheral neuropathy, paraesthesias, diabetic

> neuropathy,anaesthesia after plastic surgery, post herpetic neuralgia etc.

> Usuallythere is pain of some description (typically sharp or shooting) or at

> leastdisordered sensation (buzzing, tingling, pins and needles, formication).

> Ihave used tincture internally and externally and frequently

> bothconcomitantly. I realise that these are mainly sensory issues, but

> Zanthdoes appear to have a normalising effect on nerve function -

> Woodwrites about Zanthoxylum in his books - may be worth a look. Also

> Cimicifugafor its relationship to traumatic injury to the spine and affinity

> to theneck and upper thoracics, especially with referral to upper

> limbs,particularly if accompanied by an element of depression. Also Urtica may

> beworth considering (cf. urtication!)Best wishesCraig

>

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Very interesting Jan. A patient with advanced diabetic neuropathy I was

treating had a similar aggravation from Zanthoxylum. We had to decrease the

dose to minute quantities. I usually take this type of reaction to be that

the prescription is a similar, rather than a contrary, and therefore needs

to be given in a small dose as it matches the patient's symptoms

homeopathically. The smaller doses seem to be more effective.

Best wishes

Craig

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A very interesting thread - I have been treating a patient with nerve damage

down left side after a stroke and after using Ginkgo for some time (among

other things), recently introduced Zanthox. Patient developed unpleasant

(and alarming), painful pins and needles all down the left side, which is

what happened after he started taking Ginkgo, so I persuaded him to

persevere, and also to concentrate on exercising the left arm and leg. I

also suggested he took lower doses for a time and built up. He now reports

cessation of unpleasant symptoms (though no improvement in muscle strength

yet). I was chatting to a physiotherapist recently who confirmed it was

common experience that PAIN is the first sensation to return when nerves are

regenerating. It just shows that pain does not always have to be a negative

sign.

Regards,

Jan

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Thanks very much for this insight Craig. It has always been clear that some

patients do best on tiny doses, but I had always put it down to enhanced

sensitivity; these patients tend to be the ones who react badly to

prescription drugs. I will bear the ³homeopathic² explanation in mind, now.

Kind regards,

Jan

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>

>

> Very interesting Jan. A patient with advanced diabetic neuropathy I was

> treating had a similar aggravation from Zanthoxylum. We had to decrease the

> dose to minute quantities. I usually take this type of reaction to be that

> the prescription is a similar, rather than a contrary, and therefore needs

> to be given in a small dose as it matches the patient's symptoms

> homeopathically. The smaller doses seem to be more effective.

>

> Best wishes

>

> Craig

>

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> [mailto:ukherbal-list <mailto:ukherbal-list%40yahoogroups.com>

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> On Behalf Of Janet Alton

> Sent: 13 September 2008 15:21

> To: ukherbal-list <mailto:ukherbal-list%40yahoogroups.com>

> Subject: Re: RE: spinal injury

>

> A very interesting thread - I have been treating a patient with nerve damage

> down left side after a stroke and after using Ginkgo for some time (among

> other things), recently introduced Zanthox. Patient developed unpleasant

> (and alarming), painful pins and needles all down the left side, which is

> what happened after he started taking Ginkgo, so I persuaded him to

> persevere, and also to concentrate on exercising the left arm and leg. I

> also suggested he took lower doses for a time and built up. He now reports

> cessation of unpleasant symptoms (though no improvement in muscle strength

> yet). I was chatting to a physiotherapist recently who confirmed it was

> common experience that PAIN is the first sensation to return when nerves are

> regenerating. It just shows that pain does not always have to be a negative

> sign.

>

> Regards,

>

> Jan

>

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