Guest guest Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 Hi Sue I would consider Hydrastis for its disc sealing ability and Equisetum or Bambusa arundinacea (Vamsa lochana) for their high silica content and affinity to the discs, spine, joints and cartilages. Hypericum for nerve injury perhaps - consider in high homeopathic potency (200c / 1m) if no effects with tincture. Best wishes Craig spinal injury Hi everyone, I've been looking back thru the archives and see that there've been some recent postings on this subject. Just wondered if anyone could suggest anything further for a new pt, I've only seen her once so far. 29 year old woman who wants to come off raft of pain meds that she's been taking since April 05. Prolapsed discs at L4 and L5, also annulus " torn loose " (pts description). Currently, sitting for extended periods leads to faecal and urinary retention. During the consultation she had to lie on the floor to relieve the pain. Several factors may have contributed to the problem, but the onset of Sx was quite sudden and dramatic about 15 minutes after chiropractic tx for right hip and shoulder pain whilst travelling in Australia. In hospital for total of 6 months in Australia and then in Uk. She takes Oxycodone, Oxynorm, Lyrica, Baclofen, and Telfast and Omeprazole to counteract the side effects of the pain relief. She manages the strength/freq of pain meds herself. MH of note - spinal injury following fall aged 19yrs which resolved with no obvious residual problems, PCOD recently Dx. She became very depressed late last year and tried to commit suicide. She's no longer depressed but there are a lot of issues (apart from the injury and it's impact on her life) that she recognises she still needs to deal with. Her diet is not very good and we've talked about the benefits of a low GI diet, managing blood sugar effectively, eating little and often etc. I've recommended increasing her Essential Fatty Acid intake. She can't take alcohol with her pain meds. I've given her pukka's Turmeric and Boswellia caps. She is also seeing a colleague who's a hypnotherapist with a view to pain management. Any other ideas would be gratefully received. Thanks Sue Salmon Huddersfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 Dear Craig, May I ask would that high potency dose of Hypericum be applicable to neurodegenerative disorders also or specifically to nerve injury from trauma? All the best, Anne Varley Anne Varley BSc, MNIMH email - varleyanne@... tel - + 322 6443110 > >Reply-To: ukherbal-list >To: <ukherbal-list > >Subject: RE: spinal injury >Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:08:38 -0000 > > >Hi Sue >I would consider Hydrastis for its disc sealing ability and Equisetum or >Bambusa arundinacea (Vamsa lochana) for their high silica content and >affinity to the discs, spine, joints and cartilages. Hypericum for nerve >injury perhaps - consider in high homeopathic potency (200c / 1m) if no >effects with tincture. >Best wishes >Craig > > spinal injury > >Hi everyone, I've been looking back thru the archives and see that there've >been some recent postings on this subject. Just wondered if anyone could >suggest anything further for a new pt, I've only seen her once so far. 29 >year old woman who wants to come off raft of pain meds that she's been >taking since April 05. Prolapsed discs at L4 and L5, also annulus " torn >loose " (pts description). Currently, sitting for extended periods leads to >faecal and urinary retention. During the consultation she had to lie on the >floor to relieve the pain. Several factors may have contributed to the >problem, but the onset of Sx was quite sudden and dramatic about 15 minutes >after chiropractic tx for right hip and shoulder pain whilst travelling in >Australia. In hospital for total of 6 months in Australia and then in Uk. >She takes Oxycodone, Oxynorm, Lyrica, Baclofen, and Telfast and Omeprazole >to counteract the side effects of the pain relief. She manages the >strength/freq of pain meds herself. MH of note - spinal injury following >fall aged 19yrs which resolved with no obvious residual problems, PCOD >recently Dx. She became very depressed late last year and tried to commit >suicide. She's no longer depressed but there are a lot of issues (apart >from >the injury and it's impact on her life) that she recognises she still needs >to deal with. >Her diet is not very good and we've talked about the benefits of a low GI >diet, managing blood sugar effectively, eating little and often etc. I've >recommended increasing her Essential Fatty Acid intake. She can't take >alcohol with her pain meds. I've given her pukka's Turmeric and Boswellia >caps. >She is also seeing a colleague who's a hypnotherapist with a view to pain >management. >Any other ideas would be gratefully received. >Thanks >Sue Salmon >Huddersfield > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 Hi Ann My understanding of Hypericum is as a therapeutic agent in injuries to nerve rich regions (e.g. digits, coccyx, face, genitalia etc) or for traumatic injury to the nervous system – central or peripheral (e.g. after head injury, lumbar puncture, spinal trauma etc). It is especially effective in cases where the pain is of a shooting quality, especially if this shoots ‘up the limb’. Homeopaths would consider many different medicines for neurodegenerative disorders – usually more ‘heavyweight’ toxic-type substances (e.g. heavy metals (mercurius, plumbum, argentums etc), Lathyrus, Causticum, Gelsemium, Lanthanides, Syphilinum etc) Hope that helps Best wishes Craig Dear Craig, May I ask would that high potency dose of Hypericum be applicable to neurodegenerative disorders also or specifically to nerve injury from trauma? All the best, Anne Varley Anne Varley BSc, MNIMH email - varleyannehotmail (DOT) <mailto:varleyanne%40hotmail.com> com tel - + 322 6443110 >From: " Dr Craig " <craigdwright@ <mailto:craigdwright%40hotmail.com> hotmail.com> >Reply-To: ukherbal-list@ <mailto:ukherbal-list%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com >To: <ukherbal-list@ <mailto:ukherbal-list%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com> >Subject: RE: spinal injury >Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:08:38 -0000 > > >Hi Sue >I would consider Hydrastis for its disc sealing ability and Equisetum or >Bambusa arundinacea (Vamsa lochana) for their high silica content and >affinity to the discs, spine, joints and cartilages. Hypericum for nerve >injury perhaps - consider in high homeopathic potency (200c / 1m) if no >effects with tincture. >Best wishes >Craig > > spinal injury > >Hi everyone, I've been looking back thru the archives and see that there've >been some recent postings on this subject. Just wondered if anyone could >suggest anything further for a new pt, I've only seen her once so far. 29 >year old woman who wants to come off raft of pain meds that she's been >taking since April 05. Prolapsed discs at L4 and L5, also annulus " torn >loose " (pts description). Currently, sitting for extended periods leads to >faecal and urinary retention. During the consultation she had to lie on the >floor to relieve the pain. Several factors may have contributed to the >problem, but the onset of Sx was quite sudden and dramatic about 15 minutes >after chiropractic tx for right hip and shoulder pain whilst travelling in >Australia. In hospital for total of 6 months in Australia and then in Uk. >She takes Oxycodone, Oxynorm, Lyrica, Baclofen, and Telfast and Omeprazole >to counteract the side effects of the pain relief. She manages the >strength/freq of pain meds herself. MH of note - spinal injury following >fall aged 19yrs which resolved with no obvious residual problems, PCOD >recently Dx. She became very depressed late last year and tried to commit >suicide. She's no longer depressed but there are a lot of issues (apart >from >the injury and it's impact on her life) that she recognises she still needs >to deal with. >Her diet is not very good and we've talked about the benefits of a low GI >diet, managing blood sugar effectively, eating little and often etc. I've >recommended increasing her Essential Fatty Acid intake. She can't take >alcohol with her pain meds. I've given her pukka's Turmeric and Boswellia >caps. >She is also seeing a colleague who's a hypnotherapist with a view to pain >management. >Any other ideas would be gratefully received. >Thanks >Sue Salmon >Huddersfield > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 Sue Salmon wrote: > taking since April 05. Prolapsed discs at L4 and L5, also annulus " torn > loose " (pts description). Currently, sitting for extended periods leads to > faecal and urinary retention. Have you tried mullein tea, or a fresh herb mullein tincture? Henriette -- Henriette Kress, AHG Helsinki, Finland Henriette's herbal homepage: http://www.henriettesherbal.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Sue, mediherb's Saligesic is a briliant analgesic/antinflammatory for any spinal injury/nerve compression. I think probably Salix would work just as well, just it is so disgusting to take.. --- Dr Craig wrote: > > Hi Sue > I would consider Hydrastis for its disc sealing > ability and Equisetum or > Bambusa arundinacea (Vamsa lochana) for their high > silica content and > affinity to the discs, spine, joints and cartilages. > Hypericum for nerve > injury perhaps - consider in high homeopathic > potency (200c / 1m) if no > effects with tincture. > Best wishes > Craig > > spinal injury > > Hi everyone, I've been looking back thru the > archives and see that there've > been some recent postings on this subject. Just > wondered if anyone could > suggest anything further for a new pt, I've only > seen her once so far. 29 > year old woman who wants to come off raft of pain > meds that she's been > taking since April 05. Prolapsed discs at L4 and L5, > also annulus " torn > loose " (pts description). Currently, sitting for > extended periods leads to > faecal and urinary retention. During the > consultation she had to lie on the > floor to relieve the pain. Several factors may have > contributed to the > problem, but the onset of Sx was quite sudden and > dramatic about 15 minutes > after chiropractic tx for right hip and shoulder > pain whilst travelling in > Australia. In hospital for total of 6 months in > Australia and then in Uk. > She takes Oxycodone, Oxynorm, Lyrica, Baclofen, and > Telfast and Omeprazole > to counteract the side effects of the pain relief. > She manages the > strength/freq of pain meds herself. MH of note - > spinal injury following > fall aged 19yrs which resolved with no obvious > residual problems, PCOD > recently Dx. She became very depressed late last > year and tried to commit > suicide. She's no longer depressed but there are a > lot of issues (apart from > the injury and it's impact on her life) that she > recognises she still needs > to deal with. > Her diet is not very good and we've talked about the > benefits of a low GI > diet, managing blood sugar effectively, eating > little and often etc. I've > recommended increasing her Essential Fatty Acid > intake. She can't take > alcohol with her pain meds. I've given her pukka's > Turmeric and Boswellia > caps. > She is also seeing a colleague who's a > hypnotherapist with a view to pain > management. > Any other ideas would be gratefully received. > Thanks > Sue Salmon > Huddersfield > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 Hi Niki, hope you're well. I don't have any experience with spinal injury, but I am currently trying out usual nervines + Hericium (Lion's Mane) with a MS patient with a view to try and encourage nerve regeneration - might be worth a try with your friend as well. Only problem is that its quite expensive in smaller quantities (from MRL), but works out cheaper if you buy larger quantity from www.elitelands.com Also, you could speak to at westminster for his opinion on its use. Personally I think persisting long term with a twice daily massage with an oil based on hypericum oil and sesame oil. good luck, gursewa.  Hi everyone Was wondering if anyone could advice me. I recently met up with my friend from many years and was shocked to find that due to a riding accident she is now paralised. This occured over a year ago but she has developed some limited movement over this time in one hand and very slight movement in the second hand. I was thinking to use herbs that could encourage further regeneration of the spinal nerves to the hand, using herbs such as Hypericum and Avena but was just wondering if anyone had first hand experience treating such patients. Any advice would be very much appreciated. Best wishes Niki Niki Lawrence Medical Herbalist 07813 706980 To: ukherbal-list@...: benn@...: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 18:59:07 +0100Subject: Re: Times article - to get the link to work ,the link is split over 2 linesremedy - copy the underlined bit to internet explorer.Then, copy the next line and add it to the end of the line in internet explorer so that the whole line ends with /article4628938.eceand that should work... Good luck,Benn-- Benn Abdy- MCPPMedical Herbalist0 or 07957 65 88 90 __________________________________________________________ Get all your favourite content with the slick new MSN Toolbar - FREE http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/111354027/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 No experience in the area, but Hydrocotole also springs to mind and the western nervous trophorestoratives. I did a short Dr course a long time ago, and as i recall he had a mix of nerve herbs which were applied over the head and down the spine as a compress. possibly also as ear drops. It's in his literature I believe - (B & B mix? perhaps) Any Dr herbalists out there to fill in the gaps in my memory? Sally O > > Hi everyone > > Was wondering if anyone could advice me. I recently met up with my > friend from many years and was shocked to find that due to a riding > accident she is now paralised. This occured over a year ago but she > has developed some limited movement over this time in one hand and > very slight movement in the second hand. I was thinking to use > herbs that could encourage further regeneration of the spinal > nerves to the hand, using herbs such as Hypericum and Avena but was > just wondering if anyone had first hand experience treating such > patients. Any advice would be very much appreciated. > Best wishes Niki > > Niki Lawrence > Medical Herbalist > 07813 706980 > > > > To: ukherbal-list@...: benn@...: > Sun, 7 Sep 2008 18:59:07 +0100Subject: Re: Times > article - to get the link to work > > > > > ,the link is split over 2 linesremedy - copy the underlined > bit to internet explorer.Then, copy the next line and add it to the > end of the line in internet explorer so that the whole line ends > with /article4628938.eceand that should work... Good luck,Benn-- > Benn Abdy- MCPPMedical Herbalist0 or 07957 65 88 90 > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get all your favourite content with the slick new MSN Toolbar - FREE > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/111354027/direct/01/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 HI Nicki No experience of this on the herbal front but have helped a couple of stroke patients regain use of limbs with hypnotherapy. Basically using deep relaxed state visualisation feeling the tissues/muscles/nerves tingling/flow of blood etc to strengthen and then slowly stretching the relevant limb. With your friend, she may have a need to raise her arm(s) to stroke her horse for instance. The more she visualises doing it the better. No guarantees of course - as with anything. Good luck to her Boys Re: Times article - to get the link to work ,the link is split over 2 linesremedy - copy the underlined bit to internet explorer.Then, copy the next line and add it to the end of the line in internet explorer so that the whole line ends with /article4628938.eceand that should work... Good luck,Benn-- Benn Abdy- MCPPMedical Herbalist0208 578 3314 or 07957 65 88 90 __________________________________________________________ Get all your favourite content with the slick new MSN Toolbar - FREE http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/111354027/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 Hi and thank you to everyone that has given advice on the spinal injury query. You are all great. Will let you know if there is any progress. Interestingly I chatted to another herbalist yesterday and they indicated that they felt Ginkgo had been very influencial in healing nerve damage caused by MS. Interestingly I treated a patient who had had a stroke following a head injury that left him partially paralised on one side. I used Hypericum and Ginkgo amongst other herbs for a few months and he has just recently reported that he developed a pain in left side of his chest. Fearing a heart problem he saw his doctor who gave him an all clear on that front. Then suddenly a couple of weeks ago he reported (He lives oversease now) that he can use the left pectoral muscle in his chest where the pain was. This is the first time in 22 years since that muscle has worked! It is amazing what the body can do. Anyway all your suggestions are really appreciated. Best wishes Niki To: ukherbal-list@...: craigdwright@...: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 11:56:37 +0100Subject: RE: spinal injury Hi NikiI have had some success with Zanthoxylum in more minor but varied nervecomplaints - peripheral neuropathy, paraesthesias, diabetic neuropathy,anaesthesia after plastic surgery, post herpetic neuralgia etc. Usuallythere is pain of some description (typically sharp or shooting) or at leastdisordered sensation (buzzing, tingling, pins and needles, formication). Ihave used tincture internally and externally and frequently bothconcomitantly. I realise that these are mainly sensory issues, but Zanthdoes appear to have a normalising effect on nerve function - Woodwrites about Zanthoxylum in his books - may be worth a look. Also Cimicifugafor its relationship to traumatic injury to the spine and affinity to theneck and upper thoracics, especially with referral to upper limbs,particularly if accompanied by an element of depression. Also Urtica may beworth considering (cf. urtication!)Best wishesCraig _________________________________________________________________ Discover Bird's Eye View now with Multimap from Live Search http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/111354026/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 Hi Guy Thanks for the info. There is some good ideas here. My friend is paralised from the neck down. The only movement is the slight bit in the arms, with lower body completely paralysed. Congratulations on doing so well, i think there is a uni prize coming your way but dont say anything yet as i am not supposed to tell you yet but i gave the papers over to yesterday. You certainly deserve it Best wishes Niki To: ukherbal-list@...: guy.waddell@...: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 19:44:06 +0100Subject: Re: spinal injury Hello Nicky and Sally,Dr Cristopher's B and B formula is:Cimicifuga racemosa, Caulophyllum, Verbena hastata, Scutellaria lateriflora, Lobelia inflata, all equal parts, tincture.He suggests that this may help restore malfunctioning motor nerves. Massage into the base of skull, and upper cervicals, also take 6 to 10 drops bid or tid. Also put 4 to 6 drops of garlic oil in each ear at night followed by 4 to 6 drops of B and B, plugging with cotton wool. do this 6 nights per week. Continue for 4 to 6 months or as needed. On the seventh day flush ears with small ear syringe of warm apple cider vinegar and distilled water, half and half. Although there is little evidence that I have seen that these herbs have a direct regenerative effect on damaged nervous tissue, there is certainly a strong and diverse 'nervine' and antispasmodic action to this formula. There is probably a lot we do not know about these herbs and their synergy. Dr was a humble and religious man (not a common pairing of attributes) and reportedly had success with many cases that were given up by the medical profession and other practitioners.As some of the patient's motor functions have returned this suggests that the nerve damage is not complete. What is the extent of the pt's paralysis?From a simplistic pov the damage is most likely to include damage to the nerve sheath as this is the outer-layer. Hence it may be worth considering treating this partly as a sort of trauma-induced non auto- immune disease of the myelin sheath. Obviously, having this patients MRI results etc would be helpful. Alan Tillotson (an American herbalist) has treated many MS patients and has used a product called 'myelin sheath support' , a mixed herb and nutrient complex to stimulate myelin repair by Planetary Formulas that used to be available in the uk but which should be available via the net from the US. It contains : Yogaraj Guggul gum resin, European Elder Berry, Asian Ginseng Root, Tienchi Ginseng Root, Hawthorn Berry Extract, Shilajit mineral resin, Bromelain, Amla fruit Extract, Indian Olibanum gum resin, Licorice Root extact, Ashwagandha Root Extract, Chinese Salvia Root, Vitamin B-12 (as methylcobalamin), Pantothenic acid (B-5), Calcium (as ethanol amino phosphate EAP), Kelp thallus, Magnesium Citrate and Malate, Zinc Picolinate, Selenium (as L-selenomethionine), Copper Sebacate, Manganese Citrate, Chromium Picolinate, Molybdenum Chelate, Potassium Citrate, Turmeric Root Extract, Hericium erinaceus mycelium, Astragalus Root Extract, Bacopa plant Extract, Ginger Root, Long Pepper fruit, Boron Chelate, and Black Pepper fruit Extract.Alan Tillotson also suggests Alpha-lipoic acid, DHA, vit E 400iu to provide nutrients and allow antioxidants to penetrate the nerve tissue and to remove fatty poisons. Alan's overall approach may be of some use for physical nerve damage following trauma as it helps to reduce neural inflammation as well as to help make healthy myelin, something that may be helpful in physical nerve trauma as well as auto-immune nerve damage.Maybe Tlia sp should be considered as it was referred to as a herb to take fat from where it shouldn't be (eg excess in arteries) to where it should be (eg around the nerves).I guess that damage that is deeper than the nerve sheath would be even more problematic to treat. Circulatory support also makes sense: Rosmarinus possibly, as a nerve stimulant and circulatory stimulant.You could also try contacting Alan Tillotson directly (oneearthherbs.squarespace.com). Roundtree, an MD, American again, has also used herbs and nutrients for neural damage.best wishes,Guy WaddellOn 8 Sep 2008, at 13:39, Sally Owen wrote:> No experience in the area, but Hydrocotole also springs to mind and> the western nervous trophorestoratives.>> I did a short Dr course a long time ago, and as i recall> he had a mix of nerve herbs which were applied over the head and down> the spine as a compress. possibly also as ear drops. It's in his> literature I believe - (B & B mix? perhaps) Any Dr > herbalists out there to fill in the gaps in my memory?>> Sally O>> >> >> > Hi everyone> >> > Was wondering if anyone could advice me. I recently met up with my> > friend from many years and was shocked to find that due to a riding> > accident she is now paralised. This occured over a year ago but she> > has developed some limited movement over this time in one hand and> > very slight movement in the second hand. I was thinking to use> > herbs that could encourage further regeneration of the spinal> > nerves to the hand, using herbs such as Hypericum and Avena but was> > just wondering if anyone had first hand experience treating such> > patients. Any advice would be very much appreciated.> > Best wishes Niki> >> > Niki Lawrence> > Medical Herbalist> > 07813 706980> >> >> >> > To: ukherbal-list@...: benn@...:> > Sun, 7 Sep 2008 18:59:07 +0100Subject: Re: Times> > article - to get the link to work> >> >> >> >> > ,the link is split over 2 linesremedy - copy the underlined> > bit to internet explorer.Then, copy the next line and add it to the> > end of the line in internet explorer so that the whole line ends> > with /article4628938.eceand that should work... Good luck,Benn--> > Benn Abdy- MCPPMedical Herbalist0 or 07957 65 > 88 90> >> >> >> >> >> > __________________________________________________________> > Get all your favourite content with the slick new MSN Toolbar - FREE> > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/111354027/direct/01/> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]> >> >> > ------------------------------------> >> > List Owner: Graham White, MNIMH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 A very interesting thread I have been treating a patient with nerve damage down left side after a stroke and after using Ginkgo for some time (among other things), recently introduced Zanthox. Patient developed unpleasant (and alarming), painful pins and needles all down the left side, which is what happened after he started taking Ginkgo, so I persuaded him to persevere, and also to concentrate on exercising the left arm and leg. I also suggested he took lower doses for a time and built up. He now reports cessation of unpleasant symptoms (though no improvement in muscle strength yet). I was chatting to a physiotherapist recently who confirmed it was common experience that PAIN is the first sensation to return when nerves are regenerating. It just shows that pain does not always have to be a negative sign. Regards, Jan -- Janet E. Alton BA MA MMedSci (Nutrition) MNIMH Medical Herbalist and Nutritionist Alton & , Medical Herbalists 253 Sharrow Vale Road Hunter's Bar SHEFFIELD S11 8ZE 0 janet.alton@... > > > > > Hi and thank you to everyone that has given advice on the spinal injury query. > You are all great. Will let you know if there is any progress. > > Interestingly I chatted to another herbalist yesterday and they indicated that > they felt Ginkgo had been very influencial in healing nerve damage caused by > MS. Interestingly I treated a patient who had had a stroke following a head > injury that left him partially paralised on one side. I used Hypericum and > Ginkgo amongst other herbs for a few months and he has just recently reported > that he developed a pain in left side of his chest. Fearing a heart problem he > saw his doctor who gave him an all clear on that front. Then suddenly a couple > of weeks ago he reported (He lives oversease now) that he can use the left > pectoral muscle in his chest where the pain was. This is the first time in 22 > years since that muscle has worked! It is amazing what the body can do. > Anyway all your suggestions are really appreciated. > Best wishes Niki > > To: ukherbal-list@... > <mailto:ukherbal-list%40yahoogroups.comFrom> : craigdwright@... > <mailto:craigdwright%40hotmail.comDate> : Tue, 9 Sep 2008 11:56:37 > +0100Subject: RE: spinal injury > > Hi NikiI have had some success with Zanthoxylum in more minor but varied > nervecomplaints - peripheral neuropathy, paraesthesias, diabetic > neuropathy,anaesthesia after plastic surgery, post herpetic neuralgia etc. > Usuallythere is pain of some description (typically sharp or shooting) or at > leastdisordered sensation (buzzing, tingling, pins and needles, formication). > Ihave used tincture internally and externally and frequently > bothconcomitantly. I realise that these are mainly sensory issues, but > Zanthdoes appear to have a normalising effect on nerve function - > Woodwrites about Zanthoxylum in his books - may be worth a look. Also > Cimicifugafor its relationship to traumatic injury to the spine and affinity > to theneck and upper thoracics, especially with referral to upper > limbs,particularly if accompanied by an element of depression. Also Urtica may > beworth considering (cf. urtication!)Best wishesCraig > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2008 Report Share Posted September 14, 2008 Very interesting Jan. A patient with advanced diabetic neuropathy I was treating had a similar aggravation from Zanthoxylum. We had to decrease the dose to minute quantities. I usually take this type of reaction to be that the prescription is a similar, rather than a contrary, and therefore needs to be given in a small dose as it matches the patient's symptoms homeopathically. The smaller doses seem to be more effective. Best wishes Craig _____ From: ukherbal-list [mailto:ukherbal-list ] On Behalf Of Janet Alton Sent: 13 September 2008 15:21 To: ukherbal-list Subject: Re: RE: spinal injury A very interesting thread - I have been treating a patient with nerve damage down left side after a stroke and after using Ginkgo for some time (among other things), recently introduced Zanthox. Patient developed unpleasant (and alarming), painful pins and needles all down the left side, which is what happened after he started taking Ginkgo, so I persuaded him to persevere, and also to concentrate on exercising the left arm and leg. I also suggested he took lower doses for a time and built up. He now reports cessation of unpleasant symptoms (though no improvement in muscle strength yet). I was chatting to a physiotherapist recently who confirmed it was common experience that PAIN is the first sensation to return when nerves are regenerating. It just shows that pain does not always have to be a negative sign. Regards, Jan No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1671 - Release Date: 14/09/2008 07:16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2008 Report Share Posted September 14, 2008 Thanks very much for this insight Craig. It has always been clear that some patients do best on tiny doses, but I had always put it down to enhanced sensitivity; these patients tend to be the ones who react badly to prescription drugs. I will bear the ³homeopathic² explanation in mind, now. Kind regards, Jan > > > > Very interesting Jan. A patient with advanced diabetic neuropathy I was > treating had a similar aggravation from Zanthoxylum. We had to decrease the > dose to minute quantities. I usually take this type of reaction to be that > the prescription is a similar, rather than a contrary, and therefore needs > to be given in a small dose as it matches the patient's symptoms > homeopathically. The smaller doses seem to be more effective. > > Best wishes > > Craig > > _____ > > From: ukherbal-list <mailto:ukherbal-list%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:ukherbal-list <mailto:ukherbal-list%40yahoogroups.com> > ] > On Behalf Of Janet Alton > Sent: 13 September 2008 15:21 > To: ukherbal-list <mailto:ukherbal-list%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: RE: spinal injury > > A very interesting thread - I have been treating a patient with nerve damage > down left side after a stroke and after using Ginkgo for some time (among > other things), recently introduced Zanthox. Patient developed unpleasant > (and alarming), painful pins and needles all down the left side, which is > what happened after he started taking Ginkgo, so I persuaded him to > persevere, and also to concentrate on exercising the left arm and leg. I > also suggested he took lower doses for a time and built up. He now reports > cessation of unpleasant symptoms (though no improvement in muscle strength > yet). I was chatting to a physiotherapist recently who confirmed it was > common experience that PAIN is the first sensation to return when nerves are > regenerating. It just shows that pain does not always have to be a negative > sign. > > Regards, > > Jan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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