Guest guest Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 Hi Anne,I have come across quite a few women that did not tolerate Vitex - albeit in large doses, they invariably became extremely emotional, crying for no reason at all! Removing Vitex stopped the crying...I am quite intrigued by Trifolium sorting out progesterone - would you mind illuminating?ThanksSubject: perimenopauseTo: "ukherbal group" <ukherbal-list >Date: Monday, 26 September, 2011, 17:34 Hi Diane,Strange they both cannot tolerate Vitex except in 3-4 drops per day (and that is when combined with Cohosh). In 27 years I have never come across anyone who cannot cope with Vitex. You could try separating the two herbs and see if it's the cohosh that is the problem when the dosage is increased. I have found cohosh isn't tolerated in high doses over 10-15ml per week 1:3.Personally I don't think this low dose of Vitex would have much therapeutic value. Trifolium would address the progesterone levels. Another possibility is Alchemilla vulg. The vaginal dryness is obviously hormonal in origin. What about for this internally and/or Dioscorea gel topically. Asparagus rac. is another possibility internally (this might also help with the insomnia). Make sure they have plenty of iron in their diet if their periods are so frequent. I'm sure you will have already addressed this. Possibly using Flororix. Motherwort is the best herb for menopausal anxiety and well tolerated (it should also help with the insomnia as should the Chamomile. would also be calming. Hope this helps Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 I've also encountered two cases of reactions to Vitex. Both suffered increased bleeding which resolved on lowering the dosage. Sally Owen Hi Anne, I have come across quite a few women that did not tolerate Vitex - albeit in large doses, they invariably became extremely emotional, crying for no reason at all! Removing Vitex stopped the crying... I am quite intrigued by Trifolium sorting out progesterone - would you mind illuminating? Thanks Subject: perimenopause To: "ukherbal group" <ukherbal-list > Date: Monday, 26 September, 2011, 17:34  Hi Diane, Strange they both cannot tolerate Vitex except in 3-4 drops per day (and that is when combined with Cohosh). In 27 years I have never come across anyone who cannot cope with Vitex. You could try separating the two herbs and see if it's the cohosh that is the problem when the dosage is increased. I have found cohosh isn't tolerated in high doses over 10-15ml per week 1:3. Personally I don't think this low  dose of Vitex would have much therapeutic value.  Trifolium would address the progesterone levels. Another possibility is Alchemilla vulg.  The vaginal dryness is obviously hormonal in origin. What about for this internally and/or Dioscorea gel topically. Asparagus rac. is another possibility internally (this might also help with the insomnia).  Make sure they have plenty of iron in their diet if their periods are so frequent. I'm sure you will have already addressed this. Possibly using Flororix.  Motherwort is the best herb for menopausal anxiety and well tolerated (it should also help with the insomnia as should the Chamomile.  would also be calming.  Hope this helps     Anne        -- Sally Owen MNIMH Medical Herbalist Mid Wales Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011  Yes me too, just a couple of weeks ago - but there were so many other factors I couldn't be sure , but stopped the vitex as a precaution - or more like a good practice response, thinking it probably wasn't the vitex - but now maybe not.... Interesting. son BSc(hons) MNIMH@...www.herbalbarge.co.ukwww.herbalsnuff.co.uk07736966197 perimenopauseTo: "ukherbal group" <ukherbal-list >Date: Monday, 26 September, 2011, 17:34 Hi Diane, Strange they both cannot tolerate Vitex except in 3-4 drops per day (and that is when combined with Cohosh). In 27 years I have never come across anyone who cannot cope with Vitex. You could try separating the two herbs and see if it's the cohosh that is the problem when the dosage is increased. I have found cohosh isn't tolerated in high doses over 10-15ml per week 1:3. Personally I don't think this low dose of Vitex would have much therapeutic value. Trifolium would address the progesterone levels. Another possibility is Alchemilla vulg. The vaginal dryness is obviously hormonal in origin. What about for this internally and/or Dioscorea gel topically. Asparagus rac. is another possibility internally (this might also help with the insomnia). Make sure they have plenty of iron in their diet if their periods are so frequent. I'm sure you will have already addressed this. Possibly using Flororix. Motherwort is the best herb for menopausal anxiety and well tolerated (it should also help with the insomnia as should the Chamomile. would also be calming. Hope this helps Anne -- Sally Owen MNIMH Medical Herbalist Mid Wales Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 There is a valuable thread about Vitex on Henriettes blog. http://www.henriettesherbal.com/blog/vitex-not-pms.html I rarely use it any more, except for drop doses for cravings. I had a nursing collegue who self medicated on it for years. She continued menstruation until she was 61 years!!! Then stopped the vitex and had the most spectacular menopausal crash I have ever seen. It has taken her 2 years to get over it. Zoe Medical Herbalist MNIMH CPP Dip. Phyt. Buteyko Breathing Practitoner " Wild Drugs " 'A Foragers Guide to Healing Plants' Gaia 2010 Bath 01761 439920 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011  I've also encountered two cases of reactions to Vitex. Both suffered increased bleeding which resolved on lowering the dosage.Sally says Interesting this blog re Vitex. So I spring into action. Can herbs make a person think and feel and react? If the reaction is due to the thought process what was the thought in the first place? What thoughts and feelings have been contained and for how long? If the thought that escaped when Vitex was used had been supressed what was the thought? I seriously doubt that any herb or food can make a person have a feeling or a thought. Surely the thoughts and feelings are unique to the individual. If a person has love or hate then these emanate from the individual and usually from something that has happened in their lives. Life brings all sorts of challenges and for good reason too - they help us to grow up. Sadly some never do. For a variety of reasons. Menopause for all are changes to a different level of consciousness. Often these days people are so busy and having little time to reflect on where they are going they never do themselves justice to stop and think. A few careful questions will bring the supressed [controlled] feeling to the surface and bring relief to the sufferer via an unravelling of the issues that led to the distress which they came to see you about in the first place. Dig around in the mind and ask the questions; why, what, when, who and how? Regards Menzies-Trull BA [Hons] Film and Television. Documentary film-maker. Herbalist, Naturopath and Iridologist [Practice established in 1979] 16 Grosvenor Road Newcastle Staffs ST5 1LW 01782 713977 www.isisherbs.co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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