Guest guest Posted April 4, 2011 Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 Hello Haskel, I'm qualified in TCM. As with western herbal diagnosis it is essential to look at the whole clinical picture and past history of the case. These in my opinion are the determining factors. Although I have my own peculiar twists on certain patterns I would say the best success is to be achieved by using the classic TCM formulas fir the patterns you identify. They have a wisdom of their own! For the specifics you ask about then I can only suggest you look at the main formulas prescribed for each pattern and see if you can put together a rough western equivalent. To be honest I'm not one of the people who can directly translate between the two, some can. If you're confident about the pattern and the formula suggested then why not just use that? As explained they seem to have a life and synergy all of their own and often unexpectedly good results can be achieved without fully understanding why. I'd be happy to try and advise on any specifics Lorraine Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM HERBS AND HELPERS 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth, Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) www.herbalmedicineuk.com > I'm interested in hearing your strategies for treating early waking insomnia. > > Interested in hearing other strategies. > My contribution to the issue is to give you the tcm view from 'Maciocia' > TCM regards insomnia as several different deficiency conditions, and differentiates very well. Where can i find this sophistication in western herbal practise. > for instance : > 1.difficulty in falling asleep but then sleeping well= deficiency heart blood > 2. waking up many times during the night= kidney yin deficiency > 3. dream disturbed sleep = liver fire or heart fire > Stachys is specific > 4. waking up early in morning , and unable to sleep again = deficiency of gall bladder > TCM people does this require bitters?, any english gall bladder tonics you can mention > 5. As people grow older they do sleep less due to normal decline of Qi and blood. > > So please if you have success in any of these categories what do you use ..thanks haskel > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2011 Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 Hi Haskel, you can find this differentiation in the endobiogenic approach ( Dr LA Praz's) - last seminar a week ago was precisely about different insomnia patterns - too complicated to explain in an e-mail, unfortunately, butt he book is promised next year. Subject: Early waking insomnia To: ukherbal-list Date: Sunday, 3 April, 2011, 21:22  I'm interested in hearing your strategies for treating early waking insomnia. Interested in hearing other strategies. My contribution to the issue is to give you the tcm view from 'Maciocia' TCM regards insomnia as several different deficiency conditions, and differentiates very well. Where can i find this sophistication in western herbal practise. for instance : 1.difficulty in falling asleep but then sleeping well= deficiency heart blood 2. waking up many times during the night= kidney yin deficiency 3. dream disturbed sleep = liver fire or heart fire Stachys is specific 4. waking up early in morning , and unable to sleep again = deficiency of gall bladder TCM people does this require bitters?, any english gall bladder tonics you can mention 5. As people grow older they do sleep less due to normal decline of Qi and blood. So please if you have success in any of these categories what do you use ..thanks haskel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 Dear Guy, thank you for your reply, this is just what i was hoping for, and encourages me to pursue studying humoral medicine more. As you say western herbal medicine is no less sophisticated that TCM, if we use its energetic system, alongside our modern scientific knowledge. I find the system that made up the vast majority of my universtiy training,the pharmacological approach to herbs as rather simplistic, in regard to a subject like this. > > > I'm interested in hearing your strategies for treating early waking > > insomnia. > > > > Interested in hearing other strategies. > > My contribution to the issue is to give you the tcm view from > > 'Maciocia' > > TCM regards insomnia as several different deficiency conditions, > > and differentiates very well. Where can i find this sophistication > > in western herbal practise. > > for instance : > > 1.difficulty in falling asleep but then sleeping well= deficiency > > heart blood > > 2. waking up many times during the night= kidney yin deficiency > > 3. dream disturbed sleep = liver fire or heart fire > > Stachys is specific > > 4. waking up early in morning , and unable to sleep again = > > deficiency of gall bladder > > TCM people does this require bitters?, any english gall bladder > > tonics you can mention > > 5. As people grow older they do sleep less due to normal decline of > > Qi and blood. > > > > So please if you have success in any of these categories what do > > you use .thanks haskel > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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