Re: Dealing with my employer

[Guest guest]

Well you could always contact these people and ask them what you can do? www.ndrn.org they are the National Disability Rights Organization.To: "asthma " <asthma >Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 1:36 PMSubject: Dealing with my employer

Hi,I am new to the group. It is a long story, but yesterday at work an upper management person accused me of lying about having asthma. The previous management person had told me that the spray bottle cleaners that are used at work were not to be used while I was at work. He said if anyone used them after I asked them not to that "you are to call me immediately and I will fire them immediately." This new management person, besides accusing me of lying about having an asthmatic response when the chemicals are used in a spray bottle (they don't bother me at all if used in a bucket with a rag, only if they are sprayed from a spray bottle), says that if I have a problem with the cleaners then I must take a medical leave until my problem goes away. I was not aware that asthma can magically go away. He also

explained to me in great detail how incredibly stupid I am to have followed the instructions given to me by the previous district manager. He said that it is not a reasonable accommodation to ask that they not use the spray bottles. I am getting a copy of medical records from my doctor's office to shove under his nose for calling me a liar, when I have never lied to him, ever. Can anyone tell me whether I have a legal right to request that the spray bottles not be used? How is it unreasonable to request that a spray bottle not be used? I can't afford to lose my job. I am a low income person with no resources. I would appreciate any advice on how to deal with this. I need my job. I also need to be able to breathe while I am there.Sheri

[Guest guest]

That sounds very frustrating! I would be sooo mad. What a jerk.

Hope you get it all taken care of. I am sure he will appologise after he sees the truth.

Lynne

To: "asthma " <asthma >Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 12:36 PMSubject: Dealing with my employer

Hi,

I am new to the group. It is a long story, but yesterday at work an upper management person accused me of lying about having asthma. The previous management person had told me that the spray bottle cleaners that are used at work were not to be used while I was at work. He said if anyone used them after I asked them not to that "you are to call me immediately and I will fire them immediately." This new management person, besides accusing me of lying about having an asthmatic response when the chemicals are used in a spray bottle (they don't bother me at all if used in a bucket with a rag, only if they are sprayed from a spray bottle), says that if I have a problem with the cleaners then I must take a medical leave until my problem goes away. I was not aware that asthma can magically go away. He also explained to me in great detail how incredibly stupid I am to have followed the instructions given to me by the previous district manager. He

said that it is not a reasonable accommodation to ask that they not use the spray bottles. I am getting a copy of medical records from my doctor's office to shove under his nose for calling me a liar, when I have never lied to him, ever. Can anyone tell me whether I have a legal right to request that the spray bottles not be used? How is it unreasonable to request that a spray bottle not be used? I can't afford to lose my job. I am a low income person with no resources. I would appreciate any advice on how to deal with this. I need my job. I also need to be able to breathe while I am there.

Sheri

[Guest guest]

Thank you. I am going to give that a try.SheriTo: "asthma " <asthma >Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 2:57 PMSubject: Re: Dealing with my employer

Well you could always contact these people and ask them what you can do? www.ndrn.org they are the National Disability Rights Organization.To: "asthma " <asthma >Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 1:36 PMSubject: Dealing with my employer

Hi,I am new to the group. It is a long story, but yesterday at work an upper management person accused me of lying about having asthma. The previous management person had told me that the spray bottle cleaners that are used at work were not to be used while I was at work. He said if anyone used them after I asked them not to that "you are to call me immediately and I will fire them immediately." This new management person, besides accusing me of lying about having an asthmatic response when the chemicals are used in a spray bottle (they don't bother me at all if used in a bucket with a rag, only if they are sprayed from a spray bottle), says that if I have a problem with the cleaners then I must take a medical leave until my problem goes away. I was not aware that asthma can magically go away. He also

explained to me in great detail how incredibly stupid I am to have followed the instructions given to me by the previous district manager. He said that it is not a reasonable accommodation to ask that they not use the spray bottles. I am getting a copy of medical records from my doctor's office to shove under his nose for calling me a liar, when I have never lied to him, ever. Can anyone tell me whether I have a legal right to request that the spray bottles not be used? How is it unreasonable to request that a spray bottle not be used? I can't afford to lose my job. I am a low income person with no resources. I would appreciate any advice on how to deal with this. I need my job. I also need to be able to breathe while I am there.Sheri

[Guest guest]

Another option is the US Dept of Justice. They handle the Americans with Disabilities Act. This is reasonable accommodation and the manager could be violating federal law. Asthma does not disappear that way., Co-ModeratorTo: "asthma " <asthma >Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 2:57 PMSubject: Re: Dealing with my employer

Well you could always contact these people and ask them what you can do? www.ndrn.org they are the National Disability Rights Organization.To: "asthma " <asthma >Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 1:36 PMSubject: Dealing with my

employer

Hi,I am new to the group. It is a long story, but yesterday at work an upper management person accused me of lying about having asthma. The previous management person had told me that the spray bottle cleaners that are used at work were not to be used while I was at work. He said if anyone used them after I asked them not to that "you are to call me immediately and I will fire them immediately." This new management person, besides accusing me of lying about having an asthmatic response when the chemicals are used in a spray bottle (they don't bother me at all if used in a bucket with a rag, only if they are sprayed from a spray bottle), says that if I have a problem with the cleaners then I must take a medical leave until my problem goes away. I was not aware that asthma can

magically go away. He also

explained to me in great detail how incredibly stupid I am to have followed the instructions given to me by the previous district manager. He said that it is not a reasonable accommodation to ask that they not use the spray bottles. I am getting a copy of medical records from my doctor's office to shove under his nose for calling me a liar, when I have never lied to him, ever. Can anyone tell me whether I have a legal right to request that the spray bottles not be used? How is it unreasonable to request that a spray bottle not be used? I can't afford to lose my job. I am a low income person with no resources. I would appreciate any advice on how to deal with this. I need my job. I also need to be able to breathe while I am there.Sheri

[Guest guest]

Thank you.I sent an email to the HR lady. I very politely worded it and said that I needed her to clarify for me which district manager's response is actually in accordance with policy and the law. She responded saying please call me tomorrow to discuss. I hope she doesn't think I'm just trying to cause a problem, to get out of working, or whatever. SheriTo: "asthma " <asthma >Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 6:12 PMSubject: Re: Dealing with my employer

Another option is the US Dept of Justice. They handle the Americans with Disabilities Act. This is reasonable accommodation and the manager could be violating federal law. Asthma does not disappear that way., Co-ModeratorTo: "asthma " <asthma >Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 2:57 PMSubject: Re: Dealing with my employer

Well you could always contact these people and ask them what you can do? www.ndrn.org they are the National Disability Rights Organization.To: "asthma " <asthma >Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 1:36 PMSubject: Dealing with my

employer

Hi,I am new to the group. It is a long story, but yesterday at work an upper management person accused me of lying about having asthma. The previous management person had told me that the spray bottle cleaners that are used at work were not to be used while I was at work. He said if anyone used them after I asked them not to that "you are to call me immediately and I will fire them immediately." This new management person, besides accusing me of lying about having an asthmatic response when the chemicals are used in a spray bottle (they don't bother me at all if used in a bucket with a rag, only if they are sprayed from a spray bottle), says that if I have a problem with the cleaners then I must take a medical leave until my problem goes away. I was not aware that asthma can

magically go away. He also

explained to me in great detail how incredibly stupid I am to have followed the instructions given to me by the previous district manager. He said that it is not a reasonable accommodation to ask that they not use the spray bottles. I am getting a copy of medical records from my doctor's office to shove under his nose for calling me a liar, when I have never lied to him, ever. Can anyone tell me whether I have a legal right to request that the spray bottles not be used? How is it unreasonable to request that a spray bottle not be used? I can't afford to lose my job. I am a low income person with no resources. I would appreciate any advice on how to deal with this. I need my job. I also need to be able to breathe while I am there.Sheri

[Guest guest]



It seems to me that both positions are extreme, and the second manager's position could be partly a reaction to the first one. If someone's sprayed chemicals are bothering someone, they should be told politely and firmly to stop doing it. Then progressive discipline if they keep doing it, which most of them wouldn't. Noone should EVER automatically fired out of hand for such a thing.

If you're expecting them to be, that spoiled arrogance could be why the second manager wants to see the end of you. Do you ever even LISTEN to anyone? I doubt it. Your entire life is about exerting your so called rights over other people, as disruptively as possible.

Now, back to real life. It's unfortunate that the strong chemical argument is rarely won. I doubt you'd successfully make an ADA case out of it, though some would certainly welcome you to spend the rest of your life with your nose stuck up in the air trying.

On the other hand, if what you want is employment, get a note from your doctor that says your asthma interferes with your ability to work. This could qualify you for employment by such companies as Goodwill and Peak Performers, or for help from your state office for the disabled. They may provide retraining, training, or help finding a job.

Yours,

Dora

Dealing with my employer

Hi,

I am new to the group. It is a long story, but yesterday at work an upper management person accused me of lying about having asthma. The previous management person had told me that the spray bottle cleaners that are used at work were not to be used while I was at work. He said if anyone used them after I asked them not to that "you are to call me immediately and I will fire them immediately." This new management person, besides accusing me of lying about having an asthmatic response when the chemicals are used in a spray bottle (they don't bother me at all if used in a bucket with a rag, only if they are sprayed from a spray bottle), says that if I have a problem with the cleaners then I must take a medical leave until my problem goes away. I was not aware that asthma can magically go away. He also explained to me in great detail how incredibly stupid I am to have followed the instructions given to me by the previous district manager. He said that it is not a reasonable accommodation to ask that they not use the spray bottles. I am getting a copy of medical records from my doctor's office to shove under his nose for calling me a liar, when I have never lied to him, ever. Can anyone tell me whether I have a legal right to request that the spray bottles not be used? How is it unreasonable to request that a spray bottle not be used? I can't afford to lose my job. I am a low income person with no resources. I would appreciate any advice on how to deal with this. I need my job. I also need to be able to breathe while I am there.

Sheri

[Guest guest]



I just realized something. I once lost a job on account of my asthma and collected unemployment. But it matters how you handle yourself.

If you have medical certification that your asthma prevented you from doing that job, and you asked nicely to be assigned where what was bothering your asthma wasn't a factor or that whatever bothered it not happen around you, then atleast in Texas you can collect unemployment.

You can then take your medical certification and use it to get help from various organizations and agencies that help those with medical problems and disabilities find work.

However, the employer gets to respond. If the employer says, I fired her because she was obnoxious, for instance, she demanded nastily and insistently that anyone who uses spray cleaner be summarily fired, than Unemployment will rule you were fired for cause, and you can't collect unemloyment, probably not for some period of time on account of having been disqualified, even if you are let go from another job for a reason not your fault. And when you tell temporary agencies that specialize in helping the disabled that you were fired for being obnoxious, nobody will want you. They stay in business by sending employers people they want to work with.

Dora

Dealing with my employer

Hi,

I am new to the group. It is a long story, but yesterday at work an upper management person accused me of lying about having asthma. The previous management person had told me that the spray bottle cleaners that are used at work were not to be used while I was at work. He said if anyone used them after I asked them not to that "you are to call me immediately and I will fire them immediately." This new management person, besides accusing me of lying about having an asthmatic response when the chemicals are used in a spray bottle (they don't bother me at all if used in a bucket with a rag, only if they are sprayed from a spray bottle), says that if I have a problem with the cleaners then I must take a medical leave until my problem goes away. I was not aware that asthma can magically go away. He also explained to me in great detail how incredibly stupid I am to have followed the instructions given to me by the previous district manager. He said that it is not a reasonable accommodation to ask that they not use the spray bottles. I am getting a copy of medical records from my doctor's office to shove under his nose for calling me a liar, when I have never lied to him, ever. Can anyone tell me whether I have a legal right to request that the spray bottles not be used? How is it unreasonable to request that a spray bottle not be used? I can't afford to lose my job. I am a low income person with no resources. I would appreciate any advice on how to deal with this. I need my job. I also need to be able to breathe while I am there.

Sheri

[Guest guest]

I saw nothing in Sheri's post that she was obnoxious or summarily asked anyone to be fired. To: asthma Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 8:06 PMSubject: Re: Dealing with my employer



I just realized something. I once lost a job on account of my asthma and collected unemployment. But it matters how you handle yourself.

If you have medical certification that your asthma prevented you from doing that job, and you asked nicely to be assigned where what was bothering your asthma wasn't a factor or that whatever bothered it not happen around you, then atleast in Texas you can collect unemployment.

You can then take your medical certification and use it to get help from various organizations and agencies that help those with medical problems and disabilities find work.

However, the employer gets to respond. If the employer says, I fired her because she was obnoxious, for instance, she demanded nastily and insistently that anyone who uses spray cleaner be summarily fired, than Unemployment will rule you were fired for cause, and you can't collect unemloyment, probably not for some period of time on account of having been disqualified, even if you are let go from another job for a reason not your fault. And when you tell temporary agencies that specialize in helping the disabled that you were fired for being obnoxious, nobody will want you. They stay in business by sending employers people they want to work with.

Dora

Dealing with my employer

Hi,

I am new to the group. It is a long story, but yesterday at work an upper management person accused me of lying about having asthma. The previous management person had told me that the spray bottle cleaners that are used at work were not to be used while I was at work. He said if anyone used them after I asked them not to that "you are to call me immediately and I will fire them immediately." This new management person, besides accusing me of lying about having an asthmatic response when the chemicals are used in a spray bottle (they don't bother me at all if used in a bucket with a rag, only if they are sprayed from a spray bottle), says that if I have a problem with the cleaners then I must take a medical leave until my problem goes away. I was not aware that asthma can magically go away. He also explained to me in great detail how incredibly stupid I am to have followed the instructions given to me by the previous district manager. He said that it is not a reasonable accommodation to ask that they not use the spray bottles. I am getting a copy of medical records from my doctor's office to shove under his nose for calling me a liar, when I have never lied to him, ever. Can anyone tell me whether I have a legal right to request that the spray bottles not be used? How is it unreasonable to request that a spray bottle not be used? I can't afford to lose my job. I am a low income person with no resources. I would appreciate any advice on how to deal with this. I need my job. I also need to be able to breathe while I am there.

Sheri

[Guest guest]

Dora, this response is plain rude, nasty, and arrogant. "Do you ever LISTEN to anyone? I doubt it. Your entire life is about exerting your so called rights over other people, as disruptively as possible. Now, back to real life. It's unfortunate that the strong chemical argument is rarely won. I doubt you'd successfully make an ADA case out of it, though some would certainly welcome you to spend the rest of your life with your nose stuck up in

the air trying. On the other hand, if what you want is employment, get a note from your doctor that says your asthma interferes with your ability to work. This could qualify you for employment by such companies as Goodwill and Peak Performers, or for help from your state office for the disabled. They may provide retraining, training, or help finding a job." Read this and tell me that's not uncalled for. I too am sensitive to strong chemicals and protecting one's health is NOT being disruptive or exerting rights. This condescending post made me quite angry and I've hesitated to say anything to you about your attitude at times but this one is one time I'll get a back bone and put on my big girl panties. Get over yourself lady! To: asthma Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 7:48 PMSubject: Re: Dealing with my employer



It seems to me that both positions are extreme, and the second manager's position could be partly a reaction to the first one. If someone's sprayed chemicals are bothering someone, they should be told politely and firmly to stop doing it. Then progressive discipline if they keep doing it, which most of them wouldn't. Noone should EVER automatically fired out of hand for such a thing.

If you're expecting them to be, that spoiled arrogance could be why the second manager wants to see the end of you. Do you ever even LISTEN to anyone? I doubt it. Your entire life is about exerting your so called rights over other people, as disruptively as possible.

Now, back to real life. It's unfortunate that the strong chemical argument is rarely won. I doubt you'd successfully make an ADA case out of it, though some would certainly welcome you to spend the rest of your life with your nose stuck up in the air trying.

On the other hand, if what you want is employment, get a note from your doctor that says your asthma interferes with your ability to work. This could qualify you for employment by such companies as Goodwill and Peak Performers, or for help from your state office for the disabled. They may provide retraining, training, or help finding a job.

Yours,

Dora

Dealing with my employer

Hi,

I am new to the group. It is a long story, but yesterday at work an upper management person accused me of lying about having asthma. The previous management person had told me that the spray bottle cleaners that are used at work were not to be used while I was at work. He said if anyone used them after I asked them not to that "you are to call me immediately and I will fire them immediately." This new management person, besides accusing me of lying about having an asthmatic response when the chemicals are used in a spray bottle (they don't bother me at all if used in a bucket with a rag, only if they are sprayed from a spray bottle), says that if I have a problem with the cleaners then I must take a medical leave until my problem goes away. I was not aware that asthma can magically go away. He also explained to me in great detail how incredibly stupid I am to have followed the instructions given to me by the previous district manager. He said that it is not a reasonable accommodation to ask that they not use the spray bottles. I am getting a copy of medical records from my doctor's office to shove under his nose for calling me a liar, when I have never lied to him, ever. Can anyone tell me whether I have a legal right to request that the spray bottles not be used? How is it unreasonable to request that a spray bottle not be used? I can't afford to lose my job. I am a low income person with no resources. I would appreciate any advice on how to deal with this. I need my job. I also need to be able to breathe while I am there.

Sheri

[Guest guest]

By the way, How do you know proof positive that she couldn't make an ADA case of what's going on and that this argument is rarely won? To: "asthma " <asthma >Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 8:33 PMSubject: Re: Dealing with my employer

Dora, this response is plain rude, nasty, and arrogant. "Do you ever LISTEN to anyone? I doubt it. Your entire life is about exerting your so called rights over other people, as disruptively as possible. Now, back to real life. It's unfortunate that the strong chemical argument is rarely won. I doubt you'd successfully make an ADA case out of it, though some would certainly welcome you to spend the rest of your life with your

nose stuck up in

the air trying. On the other hand, if what you want is employment, get a note from your doctor that says your asthma interferes with your ability to work. This could qualify you for employment by such companies as Goodwill and Peak Performers, or for help from your state office for the disabled. They may provide retraining, training, or help finding a job." Read this and tell me that's not uncalled for. I too am sensitive to strong chemicals and protecting one's health is NOT being disruptive or exerting rights. This condescending post made me quite angry and I've hesitated to say anything to you about your attitude at times but this one is one time I'll get a back bone and put on my big girl panties. Get over yourself lady! To: asthma Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 7:48 PMSubject: Re: Dealing with my employer



It seems to me that both positions are extreme, and the second manager's position could be partly a reaction to the first one. If someone's sprayed chemicals are bothering someone, they should be told politely and firmly to stop doing it. Then progressive discipline if they keep doing it, which most of them wouldn't. Noone should EVER automatically fired out of hand for such a thing.

If you're expecting them to be, that spoiled arrogance could be why the second manager wants to see the end of you. Do you ever even LISTEN to anyone? I doubt it. Your entire life is about exerting your so called rights over other people, as disruptively as possible.

Now, back to real life. It's unfortunate that the strong chemical argument is rarely won. I doubt you'd successfully make an ADA case out of it, though some would certainly welcome you to spend the rest of your life with your nose stuck up in the air trying.

On the other hand, if what you want is employment, get a note from your doctor that says your asthma interferes with your ability to work. This could qualify you for employment by such companies as Goodwill and Peak Performers, or for help from your state office for the disabled. They may provide retraining, training, or help finding a job.

Yours,

Dora

Dealing with my employer

Hi,

I am new to the group. It is a long story, but yesterday at work an upper management person accused me of lying about having asthma. The previous management person had told me that the spray bottle cleaners that are used at work were not to be used while I was at work. He said if anyone used them after I asked them not to that "you are to call me immediately and I will fire them immediately." This new management person, besides accusing me of lying about having an asthmatic response when the chemicals are used in a spray bottle (they don't bother me at all if used in a bucket with a rag, only if they are sprayed from a spray bottle), says that if I have a problem with the cleaners then I must take a medical leave until my problem goes away. I was not aware that asthma can magically go away. He also explained to me in great detail how incredibly stupid I am to have followed the instructions given to me by the previous district manager. He said that it is not a reasonable accommodation to ask that they not use the spray bottles. I am getting a copy of medical records from my doctor's office to shove under his nose for calling me a liar, when I have never lied to him, ever. Can anyone tell me whether I have a legal right to request that the spray bottles not be used? How is it unreasonable to request that a spray bottle not be used? I can't afford to lose my job. I am a low income person with no resources. I would appreciate any advice on how to deal with this. I need my job. I also need to be able to breathe while I am there.

Sheri

[Guest guest]

Dora,Excuse me, but have we ever met? How exactly do you know that I am arrogant and spoiled? What makes you think that I don't listen to anyone? The district manager was the one who said he would fire anyone who did not listen. I am the one who REFUSED to make that call. If someone would not have the consideration to not injure me, then I put the spray bottles away whenever that person was going to be working with me. Then when that person left, I got them back out so they could be used when I was not there. My asthma does not interfere with my ability to work. The spray bottles interfere with my ability to breathe. There are other

ways to clean a counter than by spraying it with a bottle, such as using a bucket with cleaner in it or using disinfecting wipes. I don't understand why anyone needs to be so attached to using a spray bottle. I also don't understand why you find it necessary to be so rude, judgmental, and hostile to some one who has merely asked for advice on how to handle a situation. Surely if I were so arrogant, I would not be seeking counsel from others who may be more knowledgeable and experienced than I. I never brought up this problem to either of these DMs. Somebody observed that I was having problems and that person reported it to the first DM. He then approached me, asking me about the problem. In response to his questions, I told him that all I need is for them to not

use the spray bottles around me. He was the one who said he would fire them. I did not ever request anyone be fired over it. The second DM was brought into it by a new employee who called him to complain that I would not give her the spray bottles. My entire life is about living in peace with everyone around me, as far as it is in my power to do so. All I have done in this situation, is try to protect my health by politely asking that spray bottles not be used and by removing them from those who would not respect that. All I want to do is go to work, do my job properly and well, and go back home without going to the emergency room in between. How is that being disruptive in the work place? You have given a pretty good description of the new employee who started this whole issue; however, you have totally missed the boat in describing me. SheriTo: asthma Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 7:48 PMSubject: Re: Dealing with my employer



It seems to me that both positions are extreme, and the second manager's position could be partly a reaction to the first one. If someone's sprayed chemicals are bothering someone, they should be told politely and firmly to stop doing it. Then progressive discipline if they keep doing it, which most of them wouldn't. Noone should EVER automatically fired out of hand for such a thing.

If you're expecting them to be, that spoiled arrogance could be why the second manager wants to see the end of you. Do you ever even LISTEN to anyone? I doubt it. Your entire life is about exerting your so called rights over other people, as disruptively as possible.

Now, back to real life. It's unfortunate that the strong chemical argument is rarely won. I doubt you'd successfully make an ADA case out of it, though some would certainly welcome you to spend the rest of your life with your nose stuck up in the air trying.

On the other hand, if what you want is employment, get a note from your doctor that says your asthma interferes with your ability to work. This could qualify you for employment by such companies as Goodwill and Peak Performers, or for help from your state office for the disabled. They may provide retraining, training, or help finding a job.

Yours,

Dora

Dealing with my employer

Hi,

I am new to the group. It is a long story, but yesterday at work an upper management person accused me of lying about having asthma. The previous management person had told me that the spray bottle cleaners that are used at work were not to be used while I was at work. He said if anyone used them after I asked them not to that "you are to call me immediately and I will fire them immediately." This new management person, besides accusing me of lying about having an asthmatic response when the chemicals are used in a spray bottle (they don't bother me at all if used in a bucket with a rag, only if they are sprayed from a spray bottle), says that if I have a problem with the cleaners then I must take a medical leave until my problem goes away. I was not aware that asthma can magically go away. He also explained to me in great detail how incredibly stupid I am to have followed the instructions given to me by the previous district manager. He said that it is not a reasonable accommodation to ask that they not use the spray bottles. I am getting a copy of medical records from my doctor's office to shove under his nose for calling me a liar, when I have never lied to him, ever. Can anyone tell me whether I have a legal right to request that the spray bottles not be used? How is it unreasonable to request that a spray bottle not be used? I can't afford to lose my job. I am a low income person with no resources. I would appreciate any advice on how to deal with this. I need my job. I also need to be able to breathe while I am there.

Sheri

[Guest guest]

Thank you, . I am not an obnoxious person. I am actually a very shy person who has trouble being assertive. That's why I never asked for the district manager to intervene in the first place. Somebody else reported to the first DM that I was having problems. I do not want to be on disability or to get special services or special employment or unemployment. I just want to go to work and do the job I have been doing for 13 years. I have never caused any problems on my job and I am not trying to cause a problem now. I am trying to learn whether using an alternative cleaning method is within the guidelines of the "reasonable accommodations" and I truly cannot see how it can be unreasonable to not use a spray bottle.SheriTo: "asthma " <asthma >Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 8:33 PMSubject: Re: Dealing with my employer

I saw nothing in Sheri's post that she was obnoxious or summarily asked anyone to be fired. To: asthma Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 8:06 PMSubject: Re: Dealing with my employer



I just realized something. I once lost a job on account of my asthma and collected unemployment. But it matters how you handle yourself.

If you have medical certification that your asthma prevented you from doing that job, and you asked nicely to be assigned where what was bothering your asthma wasn't a factor or that whatever bothered it not happen around you, then atleast in Texas you can collect unemployment.

You can then take your medical certification and use it to get help from various organizations and agencies that help those with medical problems and disabilities find work.

However, the employer gets to respond. If the employer says, I fired her because she was obnoxious, for instance, she demanded nastily and insistently that anyone who uses spray cleaner be summarily fired, than Unemployment will rule you were fired for cause, and you can't collect unemloyment, probably not for some period of time on account of having been disqualified, even if you are let go from another job for a reason not your fault. And when you tell temporary agencies that specialize in helping the disabled that you were fired for being obnoxious, nobody will want you. They stay in business by sending employers people they want to work with.

Dora

Dealing with my employer

Hi,

I am new to the group. It is a long story, but yesterday at work an upper management person accused me of lying about having asthma. The previous management person had told me that the spray bottle cleaners that are used at work were not to be used while I was at work. He said if anyone used them after I asked them not to that "you are to call me immediately and I will fire them immediately." This new management person, besides accusing me of lying about having an asthmatic response when the chemicals are used in a spray bottle (they don't bother me at all if used in a bucket with a rag, only if they are sprayed from a spray bottle), says that if I have a problem with the cleaners then I must take a medical leave until my problem goes away. I was not aware that asthma can magically go away. He also explained to me in great detail how incredibly stupid I am to have followed the instructions given to me by the previous district manager. He said that it is not a reasonable accommodation to ask that they not use the spray bottles. I am getting a copy of medical records from my doctor's office to shove under his nose for calling me a liar, when I have never lied to him, ever. Can anyone tell me whether I have a legal right to request that the spray bottles not be used? How is it unreasonable to request that a spray bottle not be used? I can't afford to lose my job. I am a low income person with no resources. I would appreciate any advice on how to deal with this. I need my job. I also need to be able to breathe while I am there.

Sheri

[Guest guest]

Having been an employer my question would be what position do you hold? If it is not one that requires the use of chemicals or that you have to be around them, I would work with you. Maybe you could be used in a position that does not involve chemicals.

Some of the regional managers are pure evil. I have dealt with 2 in my time in assisted living. Well OK maybe not pure evil but expect the impossible out of a person. And refuse to acknowledge any one else's opinions. I would get it documented from the doc in plain terms

My other question is how long you have worked there? Each state is somewhat different, but most have protection for you to some extent from medically cause problems in work related areas, but how strong that is depends. Never enough if you are on the receiving end. Keep copies of all your papers from the doc just in case they get "lost".

HR may or may not help depending on the company. Some are very hard to deal with. Others are more easy going. An on line search should find some information on the company if you look good for complaints from workers. One I worked for had so many it was not funny. No wonder they went at least partially bankrupt and long before the economy got so bad. If this is clear as mud I am sorry but like I said each state is different.

Do try to work with them as much as you can IF your health allows it.

Re: Dealing with my employer

Sheri: it is not an unreasonable request that they not use the spray bottle and yes I do believe you have legal action. Go to an employment law attorney and see if they can at least write a letter threatening to pursue the case pro bono.

The other option is your Human Resources Department. They should be able to help you settle this without having to go outside of the company if they have any background and backbone.

[Guest guest]

Good for you Sheri. Keep on fighting., Co-ModeratorTo: "asthma " <asthma >Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 10:21 PMSubject: Re: Dealing with my employer

Dora,Excuse me, but have we ever met? How exactly do you know that I am arrogant and spoiled? What makes you think that I don't listen to anyone? The district manager was the one who said he would fire anyone who did not listen. I am the one who REFUSED to make that call. If someone would not have the consideration to not injure me, then I put the spray bottles away whenever that person was going to be working with me. Then when that person left, I got them back out so they could be used when I was not there. My asthma does not interfere with my ability to work. The spray bottles interfere with my

ability to breathe. There are other

ways to clean a counter than by spraying it with a bottle, such as using a bucket with cleaner in it or using disinfecting wipes. I don't understand why anyone needs to be so attached to using a spray bottle. I also don't understand why you find it necessary to be so rude, judgmental, and hostile to some one who has merely asked for advice on how to handle a situation. Surely if I were so arrogant, I would not be seeking counsel from others who may be more knowledgeable and experienced than I. I never brought up this problem to either of these DMs. Somebody observed that I was having problems and that person reported it to the first DM. He then approached me, asking me about the problem. In response to his questions, I told him that all I need is for them to not

use the spray bottles around me. He was the one who said he would fire them. I did not ever request anyone be fired over it. The second DM was brought into it by a new employee who called him to complain that I would not give her the spray bottles. My entire life is about living in peace with everyone around me, as far as it is in my power to do so. All I have done in this situation, is try to protect my health by politely asking that spray bottles not be used and by removing them from those who would not respect that. All I want to do is go to work, do my job properly and well, and go back home without going to the emergency room in between. How is that being disruptive in the work place? You have given a pretty good description of the new employee who started this whole issue; however, you have totally missed the boat in describing me. SheriTo: asthma Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 7:48 PMSubject: Re: Dealing with my employer



It seems to me that both positions are extreme, and the second manager's position could be partly a reaction to the first one. If someone's sprayed chemicals are bothering someone, they should be told politely and firmly to stop doing it. Then progressive discipline if they keep doing it, which most of them wouldn't. Noone should EVER automatically fired out of hand for such a thing.

If you're expecting them to be, that spoiled arrogance could be why the second manager wants to see the end of you. Do you ever even LISTEN to anyone? I doubt it. Your entire life is about exerting your so called rights over other people, as disruptively as possible.

Now, back to real life. It's unfortunate that the strong chemical argument is rarely won. I doubt you'd successfully make an ADA case out of it, though some would certainly welcome you to spend the rest of your life with your nose stuck up in the air trying.

On the other hand, if what you want is employment, get a note from your doctor that says your asthma interferes with your ability to work. This could qualify you for employment by such companies as Goodwill and Peak Performers, or for help from your state office for the disabled. They may provide retraining, training, or help finding a job.

Yours,

Dora

Dealing with my employer

Hi,

I am new to the group. It is a long story, but yesterday at work an upper management person accused me of lying about having asthma. The previous management person had told me that the spray bottle cleaners that are used at work were not to be used while I was at work. He said if anyone used them after I asked them not to that "you are to call me immediately and I will fire them immediately." This new management person, besides accusing me of lying about having an asthmatic response when the chemicals are used in a spray bottle (they don't bother me at all if used in a bucket with a rag, only if they are sprayed from a spray bottle), says that if I have a problem with the cleaners then I must take a medical leave until my problem goes away. I was not aware that asthma can magically go away. He also explained to me in great detail how incredibly stupid I am to have followed the instructions given to me by the previous district manager. He said that it is not a reasonable accommodation to ask that they not use the spray bottles. I am getting a copy of medical records from my doctor's office to shove under his nose for calling me a liar, when I have never lied to him, ever. Can anyone tell me whether I have a legal right to request that the spray bottles not be used? How is it unreasonable to request that a spray bottle not be used? I can't afford to lose my job. I am a low income person with no resources. I would appreciate any advice on how to deal with this. I need my job. I also need to be able to breathe while I am there.

Sheri

[Guest guest]

Hi ,I work in a convenience store, which has a food court with hot dogs, fountain drinks, pizza, and hot sandwiches. The cleaners that bother me only when used in a spray bottle are for cleaning the counters, windows, bathrooms, etc. It is of course necessary for all these things to be clean and sanitized. I have worked there for 13 years. I started out as an assistant manager, but have since stepped down to a cashier, which allows me to have a lot less stress. I really enjoy the job and was not having any problems until the new employee came in and seems to have taken a dislike to me. This is the second complaint she has made on me.

The first one occurred when she asked me to help her during my lunch break. I immediately clocked back in and went back to work until we got caught up on everything. Then when I asked to finish my lunch break, she stated that she needed a break. I said, "Well, okay. Go ahead and take yours." She then left the store completely for her 30 minute break, so that she could not assist me as I had assisted her during my break. The co-manager told me the next day that while she was on her break she called him to complain that when I interrupted my break to help her get the customers waited on, I also made fresh coffee and restocked the cups and lids (because all those things were empty!) before returning to my break. Which, of course, I never did get to finish my break. The co-manager said that I did the right thing by interrupting my lunch break to help wait on customers and that it was also proper for me to take care of the food court before returning to my

break that I never actually got to return to.SheriTo: asthma Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 10:36 PMSubject: Re: Dealing with my employer

Having been an employer my question would be what position do you hold? If it is not one that requires the use of chemicals or that you have to be around them, I would work with you. Maybe you could be used in a position that does not involve chemicals.

Some of the regional managers are pure evil. I have dealt with 2 in my time in assisted living. Well OK maybe not pure evil but expect the impossible out of a person. And refuse to acknowledge any one else's opinions. I would get it documented from the doc in plain terms

My other question is how long you have worked there? Each state is somewhat different, but most have protection for you to some extent from medically cause problems in work related areas, but how strong that is depends. Never enough if you are on the receiving end. Keep copies of all your papers from the doc just in case they get "lost".

HR may or may not help depending on the company. Some are very hard to deal with. Others are more easy going. An on line search should find some information on the company if you look good for complaints from workers. One I worked for had so many it was not funny. No wonder they went at least partially bankrupt and long before the economy got so bad. If this is clear as mud I am sorry but like I said each state is different.

Do try to work with them as much as you can IF your health allows it.

Re: Dealing with my employer

Sheri: it is not an unreasonable request that they not use the spray bottle and yes I do believe you have legal action. Go to an employment law attorney and see if they can at least write a letter threatening to pursue the case pro bono.

The other option is your Human Resources Department. They should be able to help you settle this without having to go outside of the company if they have any background and backbone.

[Guest guest]

Since there is an option to using the spray bottles, and she is not asking that they not clean, I would think this is a reasonable request. I too have worked as an executive in corporations. You are absolutely right about the effectiveness or not, about the HR department but it would be great if they were good. And yes, each location has different laws which is why it would be great if an employment law attorney could be consulted if needed. 

It does sound like the manager might be a challenge. To call someone a liar is pretty hard core. 

 

Having been an employer my question would be what position do you hold?  If it is not one that requires the use of chemicals or that you have to be around them, I would work with you.  Maybe you could be used in a position that does not involve chemicals. 

 

Some of the regional managers are pure evil.  I have dealt with 2 in my time in assisted living.  Well OK maybe not pure evil but expect the impossible out of a person.  And refuse to acknowledge any one else's opinions.  I would get it documented from the doc in plain terms

 

My other question is how long you have worked there?  Each state is somewhat different, but most have protection for you to some extent from medically cause problems in work related areas, but how strong that is depends.  Never enough if you are on the receiving end.  Keep copies of all your papers from the doc just in case they get " lost " . 

 

HR may or may not help depending on the company.  Some are very hard to deal with.  Others are more easy going.  An on line search should find some information on the company if you look good for complaints from workers.  One I worked for had so many it was not funny.  No wonder they went at least partially bankrupt and long before the economy got so bad.  If this is clear as mud I am sorry but like I said each state is different. 

Do try to work with them as much as you can IF your health allows it. 

 

 

Re: Dealing with my employer

Sheri: it is not an unreasonable request that they not use the spray bottle and yes I do believe you have legal action. Go to an employment law attorney and see if they can at least write a letter threatening to pursue the case pro bono.

The other option is your Human Resources Department. They should be able to help you settle this without having to go outside of the company if they have any background and backbone. 

 

-- Take care,

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheri. Welcome to our group. What an insensitive !@#@#@. Yes you do have the right to force them to not use spray chemicals. You will have to have your doctor document your response to the spray chemicals. This is covered in the "Americans With Disabilities" act. It falls under the same category that covers ergonomic keyboards and chairs. I would go to your HR manager first. I don't normally recommend jumping heads, but this district manager is not going to be reasonable. If HR doesn't handle it, send a nicely worded letter to the mgr.s boss. It is very important that you document document document. Get a statement from another employee that will back up the difference in attitude. Also, you may want to contact a local labor lawyer to get

specific situational advice. They generally don't charge the employee. If you do happen to have an asthma attack brought on by the use of spray cleaners in the office, call 911 and take a chariot to the local ER. It will then fall under Workers' Comp, and that may force change quicker than anything else. Notify your boss or HR person to get a first report of injury completed. I know you don't want to go to the ER, but it is very important for documentation. You must protect yourself. I really hope this gets better for you quickly.Madeline From: Sheri Luckett

To: "asthma " <asthma >Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 1:36 PMSubject: Dealing with my employer

Hi,I am new to the group. It is a long story, but yesterday at work an upper management person accused me of lying about having asthma. The previous management person had told me that the spray bottle cleaners that are used at work were not to be used while I was at work. He said if anyone used them after I asked them not to that "you are to call me immediately and I will fire them immediately." This new management person, besides accusing me of lying about having an asthmatic response when the chemicals are used in a spray bottle (they don't bother me at all if used in a bucket with a rag, only if they are sprayed from a spray bottle), says that if I have a problem with the cleaners then I must take a medical leave until my problem goes away. I was not aware that

asthma can magically go away. He also

explained to me in great detail how incredibly stupid I am to have followed the instructions given to me by the previous district manager. He said that it is not a reasonable accommodation to ask that they not use the spray bottles. I am getting a copy of medical records from my doctor's office to shove under his nose for calling me a liar, when I have never lied to him, ever. Can anyone tell me whether I have a legal right to request that the spray bottles not be used? How is it unreasonable to request that a spray bottle not be used? I can't afford to lose my job. I am a low income person with no resources. I would appreciate any advice on how to deal with this. I need my job. I also need to be able to breathe while I am there.Sheri

[Guest guest]

, Dora and group.I have to take exception to your perception that a chemical case is rarely won. My conditions are directly caused by chemical exposures, and no one is paying for it other than the employer and Workers Comp. The process must be followed, and documentation is a must. However, with good doctors backing you up, a chemical case is fairly easy in today's climate.MadelineFrom: Canter

To: "asthma " <asthma >Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 8:33 PMSubject: Re: Dealing with my employer

Dora, this response is plain rude, nasty, and arrogant. "Do you ever LISTEN to anyone? I doubt it. Your entire life is about exerting your so called rights over other people, as disruptively as possible. Now, back to real life. It's unfortunate that the strong chemical argument is rarely won. I doubt you'd successfully make an ADA case out of it, though some would certainly welcome you to spend the rest of your life with

your nose stuck up in

the air trying. On the other hand, if what you want is employment, get a note from your doctor that says your asthma interferes with your ability to work. This could qualify you for employment by such companies as Goodwill and Peak Performers, or for help from your state office for the disabled. They may provide retraining, training, or help finding a job." Read this and tell me that's not uncalled for. I too am sensitive to strong chemicals and protecting one's health is NOT being disruptive or exerting rights. This condescending post made me quite angry and I've hesitated to say anything to you about your attitude at times but this one is one time I'll get a back bone and put on my big girl panties. Get over yourself lady! To: asthma Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 7:48 PMSubject: Re: Dealing with my employer



It seems to me that both positions are extreme, and the second manager's position could be partly a reaction to the first one. If someone's sprayed chemicals are bothering someone, they should be told politely and firmly to stop doing it. Then progressive discipline if they keep doing it, which most of them wouldn't. Noone should EVER automatically fired out of hand for such a thing.

If you're expecting them to be, that spoiled arrogance could be why the second manager wants to see the end of you. Do you ever even LISTEN to anyone? I doubt it. Your entire life is about exerting your so called rights over other people, as disruptively as possible.

Now, back to real life. It's unfortunate that the strong chemical argument is rarely won. I doubt you'd successfully make an ADA case out of it, though some would certainly welcome you to spend the rest of your life with your nose stuck up in the air trying.

On the other hand, if what you want is employment, get a note from your doctor that says your asthma interferes with your ability to work. This could qualify you for employment by such companies as Goodwill and Peak Performers, or for help from your state office for the disabled. They may provide retraining, training, or help finding a job.

Yours,

Dora

Dealing with my employer

Hi,

I am new to the group. It is a long story, but yesterday at work an upper management person accused me of lying about having asthma. The previous management person had told me that the spray bottle cleaners that are used at work were not to be used while I was at work. He said if anyone used them after I asked them not to that "you are to call me immediately and I will fire them immediately." This new management person, besides accusing me of lying about having an asthmatic response when the chemicals are used in a spray bottle (they don't bother me at all if used in a bucket with a rag, only if they are sprayed from a spray bottle), says that if I have a problem with the cleaners then I must take a medical leave until my problem goes away. I was not aware that asthma can magically go away. He also explained to me in great detail how incredibly stupid I am to have followed the instructions given to me by the previous district manager. He said that it is not a reasonable accommodation to ask that they not use the spray bottles. I am getting a copy of medical records from my doctor's office to shove under his nose for calling me a liar, when I have never lied to him, ever. Can anyone tell me whether I have a legal right to request that the spray bottles not be used? How is it unreasonable to request that a spray bottle not be used? I can't afford to lose my job. I am a low income person with no resources. I would appreciate any advice on how to deal with this. I need my job. I also need to be able to breathe while I am there.

Sheri

[Guest guest]

Write down everything that is done and said, save and print out all of your e-mails pertaining to you, and any sent you about this, from where you work, just in case, so you have proof of all of this, and date everything, and keep it at home. Talk to the people, write a hand written letter stating what is wrong and make copies of it and give them to whomever you need to to make then aware of this problem and date, and document everything you do every day in that office starting the first day you had any problems, copy everything pertaining to this, and keep it at home, and do exactly what you are supposed to do to settle a problem at work, read your contract, and do everything your contract tells you to do to solve this problem, first. To: "asthma " <asthma >Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 6:55 AMSubject: Re: Dealing with my employer

, Dora and group.I have to take exception to your perception that a chemical case is rarely won. My conditions are directly caused by chemical exposures, and no one is paying for it other than the employer and Workers Comp. The process must be followed, and documentation is a must. However, with good doctors backing you up, a chemical case is fairly easy in today's climate.MadelineFrom: Canter

To: "asthma " <asthma >Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 8:33 PMSubject: Re: Dealing with my employer

Dora, this response is plain rude, nasty, and arrogant. "Do you ever LISTEN to anyone? I doubt it. Your entire life is about exerting your so called rights over other people, as disruptively as possible. Now, back to real life. It's unfortunate that the strong chemical argument is rarely won. I doubt you'd successfully make an ADA case out of it, though some would certainly welcome you to spend the rest of your life with

your nose stuck up in

the air trying. On the other hand, if what you want is employment, get a note from your doctor that says your asthma interferes with your ability to work. This could qualify you for employment by such companies as Goodwill and Peak Performers, or for help from your state office for the disabled. They may provide retraining, training, or help finding a job." Read this and tell me that's not uncalled for. I too am sensitive to strong chemicals and protecting one's health is NOT being disruptive or exerting rights. This condescending post made me quite angry and I've hesitated to say anything to you about your attitude at times but this one is one time I'll get a back bone and put on my big girl panties. Get over yourself lady! To: asthma Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 7:48 PMSubject: Re: Dealing with my employer



It seems to me that both positions are extreme, and the second manager's position could be partly a reaction to the first one. If someone's sprayed chemicals are bothering someone, they should be told politely and firmly to stop doing it. Then progressive discipline if they keep doing it, which most of them wouldn't. Noone should EVER automatically fired out of hand for such a thing.

If you're expecting them to be, that spoiled arrogance could be why the second manager wants to see the end of you. Do you ever even LISTEN to anyone? I doubt it. Your entire life is about exerting your so called rights over other people, as disruptively as possible.

Now, back to real life. It's unfortunate that the strong chemical argument is rarely won. I doubt you'd successfully make an ADA case out of it, though some would certainly welcome you to spend the rest of your life with your nose stuck up in the air trying.

On the other hand, if what you want is employment, get a note from your doctor that says your asthma interferes with your ability to work. This could qualify you for employment by such companies as Goodwill and Peak Performers, or for help from your state office for the disabled. They may provide retraining, training, or help finding a job.

Yours,

Dora

Dealing with my employer

Hi,

I am new to the group. It is a long story, but yesterday at work an upper management person accused me of lying about having asthma. The previous management person had told me that the spray bottle cleaners that are used at work were not to be used while I was at work. He said if anyone used them after I asked them not to that "you are to call me immediately and I will fire them immediately." This new management person, besides accusing me of lying about having an asthmatic response when the chemicals are used in a spray bottle (they don't bother me at all if used in a bucket with a rag, only if they are sprayed from a spray bottle), says that if I have a problem with the cleaners then I must take a medical leave until my problem goes away. I was not aware that asthma can magically go away. He also explained to me in great detail how incredibly stupid I am to have followed the instructions given to me by the previous district manager. He said that it is not a reasonable accommodation to ask that they not use the spray bottles. I am getting a copy of medical records from my doctor's office to shove under his nose for calling me a liar, when I have never lied to him, ever. Can anyone tell me whether I have a legal right to request that the spray bottles not be used? How is it unreasonable to request that a spray bottle not be used? I can't afford to lose my job. I am a low income person with no resources. I would appreciate any advice on how to deal with this. I need my job. I also need to be able to breathe while I am there.

Sheri

[Guest guest]

You're welcome.To: "asthma " <asthma >Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 3:59 PMSubject: Re: Dealing with my employer

Thank you. I am going to give that a try.SheriTo: "asthma " <asthma >Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 2:57 PMSubject: Re: Dealing with my employer

Well you could always contact these people and ask them what you can do? www.ndrn.org they are the National Disability Rights Organization.To: "asthma " <asthma >Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 1:36 PMSubject: Dealing with my employer

Hi,I am new to the group. It is a long story, but yesterday at work an upper management person accused me of lying about having asthma. The previous management person had told me that the spray bottle cleaners that are used at work were not to be used while I was at work. He said if anyone used them after I asked them not to that "you are to call me immediately and I will fire them immediately." This new management person, besides accusing me of lying about having an asthmatic response when the chemicals are used in a spray bottle (they don't bother me at all if used in a bucket with a rag, only if they are sprayed from a spray bottle), says that if I have a problem with the cleaners then I must take a medical leave until my problem goes away. I was not aware that asthma can magically go away. He also

explained to me in great detail how incredibly stupid I am to have followed the instructions given to me by the previous district manager. He said that it is not a reasonable accommodation to ask that they not use the spray bottles. I am getting a copy of medical records from my doctor's office to shove under his nose for calling me a liar, when I have never lied to him, ever. Can anyone tell me whether I have a legal right to request that the spray bottles not be used? How is it unreasonable to request that a spray bottle not be used? I can't afford to lose my job. I am a low income person with no resources. I would appreciate any advice on how to deal with this. I need my job. I also need to be able to breathe while I am there.Sheri

[Guest guest]

That's what I say, Madeline. I'm sensitive to chemicals too, namely scented products. I would and could, under the ADA, ask for accommodation on a job or wherever due to that sensitivity. One of our local supermarkets, where I shop all the time, stopped the use of air fresheners in the rest room because I had an asthma attack when I took my granddaughter to potty. A person without chemical sensitivity can't understand what some of us deal with. , Co-ModeratorFrom: Madeline Ingram

To: "asthma " <asthma >Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 6:55 AMSubject: Re: Dealing with my employer

, Dora and group.I have to take exception to your perception that a chemical case is rarely won. My conditions are directly caused by chemical exposures, and no one is paying for it other than the employer and Workers Comp. The process must be followed, and documentation is a must. However, with good doctors backing you up, a chemical case is fairly easy in today's climate.MadelineFrom: Canter

To: "asthma " <asthma >Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 8:33 PMSubject: Re: Dealing with my employer

Dora, this response is plain rude, nasty, and arrogant. "Do you ever LISTEN to anyone? I doubt it. Your entire life is about exerting your so called rights over other people, as disruptively as possible. Now, back to real life. It's unfortunate that the strong chemical argument is rarely won. I doubt you'd successfully make an ADA case out of it, though some would certainly welcome you to spend the rest of your life with

your nose stuck up in

the air trying. On the other hand, if what you want is employment, get a note from your doctor that says your asthma interferes with your ability to work. This could qualify you for employment by such companies as Goodwill and Peak Performers, or for help from your state office for the disabled. They may provide retraining, training, or help finding a job." Read this and tell me that's not uncalled for. I too am sensitive to strong chemicals and protecting one's health is NOT being disruptive or exerting rights. This condescending post made me quite angry and I've hesitated to say anything to you about your attitude at times but this one is one time I'll get a back bone and put on my big girl panties. Get over yourself lady! To: asthma Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 7:48 PMSubject: Re: Dealing with my employer



It seems to me that both positions are extreme, and the second manager's position could be partly a reaction to the first one. If someone's sprayed chemicals are bothering someone, they should be told politely and firmly to stop doing it. Then progressive discipline if they keep doing it, which most of them wouldn't. Noone should EVER automatically fired out of hand for such a thing.

If you're expecting them to be, that spoiled arrogance could be why the second manager wants to see the end of you. Do you ever even LISTEN to anyone? I doubt it. Your entire life is about exerting your so called rights over other people, as disruptively as possible.

Now, back to real life. It's unfortunate that the strong chemical argument is rarely won. I doubt you'd successfully make an ADA case out of it, though some would certainly welcome you to spend the rest of your life with your nose stuck up in the air trying.

On the other hand, if what you want is employment, get a note from your doctor that says your asthma interferes with your ability to work. This could qualify you for employment by such companies as Goodwill and Peak Performers, or for help from your state office for the disabled. They may provide retraining, training, or help finding a job.

Yours,

Dora

Dealing with my employer

Hi,

I am new to the group. It is a long story, but yesterday at work an upper management person accused me of lying about having asthma. The previous management person had told me that the spray bottle cleaners that are used at work were not to be used while I was at work. He said if anyone used them after I asked them not to that "you are to call me immediately and I will fire them immediately." This new management person, besides accusing me of lying about having an asthmatic response when the chemicals are used in a spray bottle (they don't bother me at all if used in a bucket with a rag, only if they are sprayed from a spray bottle), says that if I have a problem with the cleaners then I must take a medical leave until my problem goes away. I was not aware that asthma can magically go away. He also explained to me in great detail how incredibly stupid I am to have followed the instructions given to me by the previous district manager. He said that it is not a reasonable accommodation to ask that they not use the spray bottles. I am getting a copy of medical records from my doctor's office to shove under his nose for calling me a liar, when I have never lied to him, ever. Can anyone tell me whether I have a legal right to request that the spray bottles not be used? How is it unreasonable to request that a spray bottle not be used? I can't afford to lose my job. I am a low income person with no resources. I would appreciate any advice on how to deal with this. I need my job. I also need to be able to breathe while I am there.

Sheri

[Guest guest]



I can see you are not Sheri and it was uncalled for IMO to be rude to you. Again in my opinion I think as long as you can wet a cloth and clean the item it would be reasonable accommodations!!

I always was a shy person too, but being administrator of an assisted living got it out of me to some extent. I was always much better at standing up for others than myself however!!

Re: Dealing with my employer

Thank you, . I am not an obnoxious person. I am actually a very shy person who has trouble being assertive. That's why I never asked for the district manager to intervene in the first place. Somebody else reported to the first DM that I was having problems. I do not want to be on disability or to get special services or special employment or unemployment. I just want to go to work and do the job I have been doing for 13 years. I have never caused any problems on my job and I am not trying to cause a problem now. I am trying to learn whether using an alternative cleaning method is within the guidelines of the "reasonable accommodations" and I truly cannot see how it can be unreasonable to not use a spray bottle.

Sheri

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Boy that must be a large convenience store. Most of the ones here are small. It seems to me the new employee is your problem. She has an attitude obviously. In assisted living you learned you seldom got breaks.....so I sympathize. Even lunch was in bites, I learned to eat around problems and to tolerate cold food lol. Lucky the cooks always looked out for me when it got crazy and even brought me a plate sometimes.

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I work in a convenience store, which has a food court with hot dogs, fountain drinks, pizza, and hot sandwiches. The cleaners that bother me only when used in a spray bottle are for cleaning the counters, windows, bathrooms, etc. It is of course necessary for all these things to be clean and sanitized. I have worked there for 13 years. I started out as an assistant manager, but have since stepped down to a cashier, which allows me to have a lot less stress. I really enjoy the job and was not having any problems until the new employee came in and seems to have taken a dislike to me. This is the second complaint she has made on me. The first one occurred when she asked me to help her during my lunch break. I immediately clocked back in and went back to work until we got caught up on everything. Then when I asked to finish my lunch break, she stated that she needed a break. I said, "Well, okay. Go ahead and take yours." She then left the store completely for her 30 minute break, so that she could not assist me as I had assisted her during my break. The co-manager told me the next day that while she was on her break she called him to complain that when I interrupted my break to help her get the customers waited on, I also made fresh coffee and restocked the cups and lids (because all those things were empty!) before returning to my break. Which, of course, I never did get to finish my break. The co-manager said that I did the right thing by interrupting my lunch break to help wait on customers and that it was also proper for me to take care of the food court before returning to my break that I never actually got to return to.

Sheri

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Same problem here, I do stand up for myself, but there are some people that just won't quit.To: asthma Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 1:03 PMSubject: Re: Dealing with my employer



I can see you are not Sheri and it was uncalled for IMO to be rude to you. Again in my opinion I think as long as you can wet a cloth and clean the item it would be reasonable accommodations!!

I always was a shy person too, but being administrator of an assisted living got it out of me to some extent. I was always much better at standing up for others than myself however!!

Re: Dealing with my employer

Thank you, . I am not an obnoxious person. I am actually a very shy person who has trouble being assertive. That's why I never asked for the district manager to intervene in the first place. Somebody else reported to the first DM that I was having problems. I do not want to be on disability or to get special services or special employment or unemployment. I just want to go to work and do the job I have been doing for 13 years. I have never caused any problems on my job and I am not trying to cause a problem now. I am trying to learn whether using an alternative cleaning method is within the guidelines of the "reasonable accommodations" and I truly cannot see how it can be unreasonable to not use a spray bottle.

Sheri

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Well, the human resources lady finally called me back and we had a very nice conversation. She listened to everything I had to say and gave me good advice for dealing with the employee who started all this ruckus to begin with. She agreed that it was perfectly okay for me to politely request that people working with me use the cleaners by pouring them into a rag or using them out of a bucket instead of spraying them with the spray bottle. While I was at the doctor's office picking up my documentation to prove my diagnosis to the guy who accused me of lying, I also made an appointment with the doctor. Recently when someone forgot and sprayed the chemicals and I had an attack, an EMT happened to come to the store and offered to let me

use his Advair inhaler. Since I knew he was an EMT, I accepted his offer. It worked quickly and very well. So, I am going to tell that to my doctor and ask him for a prescription for it. I'm not going to use it everyday, though, just when I have a problem. The EMT said it can be used for emergencies but not more than once (or twice?) a day and that it is usually taken once a day to prevent problems. But since the only times I have problems with my asthma are when I have a cold or somebody is too much of a jerk not to use a spray bottle, I don't want to take it all the time. As far as my being shy goes, I also have overcome that in a lot of ways due to working with the public. But when it comes to having a confrontation with someone...ooh, I

hate that. I don't want to argue! I don't want to rock the boat. But I do need to stand up for myself and not allow others to walk on me, which I did allow for most of my life. An assertiveness class I took on line has helped me learn the skills to do that, so I am much better at it now. Still hate doing it though.SheriTo: asthma Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 1:03 PMSubject: Re: Dealing with my employer



I can see you are not Sheri and it was uncalled for IMO to be rude to you. Again in my opinion I think as long as you can wet a cloth and clean the item it would be reasonable accommodations!!

I always was a shy person too, but being administrator of an assisted living got it out of me to some extent. I was always much better at standing up for others than myself however!!

Re: Dealing with my employer

Thank you, . I am not an obnoxious person. I am actually a very shy person who has trouble being assertive. That's why I never asked for the district manager to intervene in the first place. Somebody else reported to the first DM that I was having problems. I do not want to be on disability or to get special services or special employment or unemployment. I just want to go to work and do the job I have been doing for 13 years. I have never caused any problems on my job and I am not trying to cause a problem now. I am trying to learn whether using an alternative cleaning method is within the guidelines of the "reasonable accommodations" and I truly cannot see how it can be unreasonable to not use a spray bottle.

Sheri