Guest guest Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Well, a fellow astrologer! I have been one for 60 yrs n studied w/Marc Edmund . I have written 2 bks on astrol wh u might enjoy: JUNGIAN SYMBOLISM IN ASTROLOGY wh might combine yr potential interest in this grp. It might prove helpful to view the cht as a description of how a person is likely to process experience. This makes one far more tolerant of other peop's povs!:} Toni is a much loved member of this list - she wrestles mightily to avoid ad hominem attacks! but red flags were up. As a newcomer, wld u introduce yrself at greater length..wh do u live/ wh do u do? etc. we are a motley crew but our focus lies w/jung n we have lively discussions n truly care ab eachother in a supportive way. we care. i am one of the moderators n am 82 n have had a strke n canna use my rt hand, hence these crazy abbrevs n today my caps aren't working! i am the author of 7 bks n u cn check em out on www.amazon.com n ask for alice o howell, if u're curious. the other moderators are zozie - phoebe wray - n marshkan -greg rieke, wonderful peop who i have met in pers.. wh is yr b'day? none of us are christian fundamentalists n u are not the only agnostic . personally, i prefer the esoteric dimensions of ALL the religions rather than the exoteric, dogmatic teachings. i find that the mystics all agree there is only ONE WAY w/in each individ. i think atheists have rejected the definitions of 'God' on the level beneath them. at least they have giv the quest some thought! prob shld try anoth level n keep looking. i became a dedic atheist wh i was 12. we were in portugal n i told my mother. she said, 'well be a good one! then she asked me why. i told her that i had had christianity up the kazoo in boardschool n nobody practiced wh they were teaching n besides NOBODY was going to tell me that a snake hung on a tree n spoke engliush!! prob hebrew, said she, but then she told me there were other religs n why not study them. my sun is in the 9th house. so i did just that for the next 9 yrs. nightly. by the time i was 21 i knew a lot ABOUT religs but no experience that i cld connect to my studies. then my father sent me to an astrologer. ASTROLOGY!! i mocked - that's superstitious twaddle for nincompoops. my fath said he wld pay for it n sceptic scorpio i went n EXPERIENCED a revelation that answ many many quests. i am still studying bec now i amconvinced there IS an answer even if at the ego level i will never know it only the heart. jung said that for some the longest journey is fr the mind to the heart. petrus bonus, alchemist wrote - the secret of the philosopher's stone is to look w/the eyes n see w/the heart. [we need a loving eye] the interest thing ab atheists is if they just think they are the product of developing matter, then their brains wld be of the same origin, n if so - what value can their opinions have!! :} if u stick ar w/us, it wld help to be open to thinking symboluically rather than literally - we all seem to agree on this, so it saves time not having to explain some odd remarks.. we do have a lot of fun bec there is joy in wisdom n wisdom in joy. hagia sophia. so don't get yr knickers in a twist, draw up to the fire, feel its warmth, n throw on a stick or two. the neat thing ab a circle is there's always room for one more! n obviously each point on the circumferene sees the rest fr a unique pov........... love old motherator ao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Hi, Of course I have heard of you!! I think I have your Jung book somewhere, as I have made it my goal to own every astrology book, even though I will never get to read many of them. I thank you for your kind overture, and I apologize if I am coming on too negatively. I really just wanted to know why that person thought those things about Christianity that weren't factual, but it turned into an attack on Ed. When am I gonna learn my lesson? My data is 11/22/66, 8:55 AM CST, Chicago, IL. I agree completely, too, that astrology is a great tool for tolerance of others' opinions and behaviors. It's my only belief system, and it's based on math rather than old phony stories. Also, I don't believe for one second that Bush actually won this last election. The numbers don't add up. Simple as that. The problem is that America has become a vast wasteland of lazy-ass schmucks who would rather let fascism through the door than get up and lock it. Forget all this crappola about " values " and " fundamentalists. " It's really about aloofness, coldness, coolness, detachment, disinterest, dispassion, disregard, dullness, emotionlessness, halfheartedness, heedlessness, indifference, insensibility, insensitivity, insouciance, lassitude, lethargy, listlessness, passiveness, passivity, stoicism, unconcern, unresponsiveness, and finally, just plain ignorance. I say this because the USAnian mythology is that of Jerry Springer, WWF, Star Wars, and the NFL, and such symbolic spiels are hardly worth a crap. Oh, wait, I forgot O.J.! Jesus mythology is enacted approximately twice every year, at the spring equinox and the winter solstice, and badly at that. The rest of the time the myth lies dormant, suffocating in the soupy bile of faith healers and sooth-sayers such as on and his ilk. " Jesus and money will make a man speak in tongues.. Scream out his lungs, roll in the dung.. And when the song is sung, he moves up another rung.. And the deaf and the dumb are the ones who get stung. " I'm sure that the red-stater who voted for the Chimpster would never think she voted for " fascism, " but indeed she has. Fascism is not a symbolic thing, either. It's a political reality that has proven harmful to most of the world's population. Cleaning up this mess will take a generation, probably, but thank God we have Christianity as an excuse for those who voted for Bush! On this point, I feel the need to tell her that she has blundered. Sorry, but this is my reality, and my reality is an educated one. No symbolism or archetypal wafting will solve the problem of the misinformed. We have a big, big problem in the nation, folks, and it's name is Bush/Cheney. Get a clue, for heaven's sake. We're not getting any Jung-er, are we, by splitting hairs over rhetorical arguments about psychology and mythology, but alas this group is about doing just that, and occasionally chiming in about why religion is such a gift to the planet. Perhaps someday religion will be used for the actual benefit of mankind, but if it hasn't for thousands of years, I doubt it will within our own brief lifespan. I say all this because there really should be no other topic on our plate. What would Jung say about the abundance of cognitive dissonance that is ringing throughout the land? Neptune, Neptune, Neptune? Religion is ruled by Jupiter, which is now in a trine to Neppy. Malaise accompanied by tsunamis of disinformation and deception rolling into our unprotected psyches with every Faux News show? Ahhg, what's the use. It's an honor speaking with you, AO. My Plutonian heart goes out to you!! - Ed K > Well, a fellow astrologer! > > I have been one for 60 yrs n studied w/Marc Edmund . I have written 2 > bks on astrol wh u might enjoy: JUNGIAN SYMBOLISM IN ASTROLOGY wh might combine > yr potential interest in this grp. It might prove helpful to view the cht as a > description of how a person is likely to process experience. This makes one > far more tolerant of other peop's povs!:} > > Toni is a much loved member of this list - she wrestles mightily to avoid ad > hominem attacks! but red flags were up. As a newcomer, wld u introduce yrself > at greater length..wh do u live/ wh do u do? etc. > > we are a motley crew but our focus lies w/jung n we have lively discussions n > truly care ab eachother in a supportive way. we care. > > i am one of the moderators n am 82 n have had a strke n canna use my rt hand, > hence these crazy abbrevs n today my caps aren't working! > > i am the author of 7 bks n u cn check em out on www.amazon.com n ask for > alice o howell, if u're curious. > > the other moderators are zozie - phoebe wray - n marshkan -greg rieke, > wonderful peop who i have met in pers.. > > wh is yr b'day? > > none of us are christian fundamentalists n u are not the only agnostic . > personally, i prefer the esoteric dimensions of ALL the religions rather than the > exoteric, dogmatic teachings. i find that the mystics all agree there is only > ONE WAY w/in each individ. > > i think atheists have rejected the definitions of 'God' on the level beneath > them. at least they have giv the quest some thought! prob shld try anoth level > n keep looking. i became a dedic atheist wh i was 12. we were in portugal n i > told my mother. she said, 'well be a good one! > > then she asked me why. i told her that i had had christianity up the kazoo in > boardschool n nobody practiced wh they were teaching n besides NOBODY was > going to tell me that a snake hung on a tree n spoke engliush!! > > prob hebrew, said she, but then she told me there were other religs n why not > study them. my sun is in the 9th house. so i did just that for the next 9 > yrs. nightly. by the time i was 21 i knew a lot ABOUT religs but no experience > that i cld connect to my studies. then my father sent me to an astrologer. > ASTROLOGY!! i mocked - that's superstitious twaddle for nincompoops. my fath said > he wld pay for it n sceptic scorpio i went n EXPERIENCED a revelation that answ > many many quests. i am still studying bec now i amconvinced there IS an > answer even if at the ego level i will never know it only the heart. jung said that > for some the longest journey is fr the mind to the heart. > > petrus bonus, alchemist wrote - the secret of the philosopher's stone is to > look w/the eyes n see w/the heart. [we need a loving eye] > > the interest thing ab atheists is if they just think they are the product of > developing matter, then their brains wld be of the same origin, n if so - what > value can their opinions have!! :} > > if u stick ar w/us, it wld help to be open to thinking symboluically rather > than literally - we all seem to agree on this, so it saves time not having to > explain some odd remarks.. > > we do have a lot of fun bec there is joy in wisdom n wisdom in joy. hagia > sophia. > > so don't get yr knickers in a twist, draw up to the fire, feel its warmth, n > throw on a stick or two. > > the neat thing ab a circle is there's always room for one more! n obviously > each point on the circumferene sees the rest fr a unique pov........... > > love > > old motherator > > ao > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Ed, all, yeah welcome aboard I defend your right to be a skeptical within a hair's breath of my becoming contused. For what it is worth, I have at least one problem with each and every person here, and, getting used to their 'style' hasn't helped much! I look forward to developing a problem with you. :-) *** It looks like the natural catastrophe in South Asia will end up killing many more than the unnatural mayhem in Iraq; neck and neck as of today. (Implied is a comment about the difference between a tsunami and Mr. Bush et al.) in thin air, in Clepheland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 > In a message dated 12/30/2004 2:58:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, > crumpo@e... writes: > I thank you for your kind overture, and I apologize if I am coming on > too negatively. I really just wanted to know why that person thought > those things about Christianity that weren't factual, but it turned > into an attack on Ed. When am I gonna learn my lesson? > > My data is 11/22/66, 8:55 AM CST, Chicago, IL. > > I thought I recognized that " Rhetoric " ! Hey everybody,,, " It's Mr. Ed, the > Talking Sage-Fire Horse, of course, of course,,, " ! Haven't seen the likes of > this character since Mike D, left, LOL! What's not to like about him, cept > mebbe his dismal outlook on religgin, American Style that is, double LOL! Well > sir, I'd like to extend you a personal welcome to Jung-Fire also. And that's > coming from a rather gregorious geomantic goat that likes to pretend to be a dog, > just to keep folks gathered here guessing! I'm sure your input to the group > will come in handy once the people on the list get used to your style. > > The Mutt What in tarnation are you anonymously talking about? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 Hi, Thanks for the introduction. I look forward to reading more of you. - Ed > Ed, all, > > yeah welcome aboard > > I defend your right to be a skeptical within a hair's breath of my > becoming contused. > > For what it is worth, I have at least one problem with each and every > person here, and, getting used to their 'style' hasn't helped much! I > look forward to developing a problem with you. :-) > > *** > > It looks like the natural catastrophe in South Asia will end up > killing many more than the unnatural mayhem in Iraq; neck and neck as > of today. (Implied is a comment about the difference between a > tsunami and Mr. Bush et al.) > > in thin air, > > in Clepheland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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