what is

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What is the use of a religion without a mythos, since religion means, if

anything, precisely that function which links us back to eternal myth? ~CGJUNG

I think you'd like this Jesus Mystery book

http://www.jesusmysteries.demon.co.uk/home.html. It's written nuts and bolts,

easy read, a quick engaging consumption, but it's very well documented: It's a

source, an index that brings one up to speed in what's been going on in ancient

history re the topic. No wonder it's made an impression. Thumbnail: Jesus drawn

from the symbolism of Osiris on down to his resurrections in Dionysos, Bacchus,

Mithras... Importance of the Sofia, the symbolism of the Magdalene, the God

incarnated as man through a mortal mother.... all there as they ever were, and

ultimately understood as a symbolic journey. A reflection of Nature. The

Gnostics basically celebrated Christ in the same tradition, with the literal man

in the loin cloth etc., the latest incarnation, ultimately understood to be

symbolic: death and rebirth, with inner and outer initiations. The sacred

marriage happens in each of us. The Daemon / Genius ( JCNitzsche, The Genius

Figure in Antiquity and the Middle Ages) we keep stumbling into is ultimately

that very Divine Guest -- the Self, who progressively incarnates within our

consciousness (dawns on us) as Guardian Angel, doppelganger, the Daemon

intercessionist -- (Daemon, spirit between god and man as the term means:

http://www.jungcircle.com/muse/plato.htm . Plato was exposing higher Orphic

mysteries which were not original to him. The gripe is that he doesn't credit

and rather belittles their source. Athens, rah rah rah.) But the magic in the

inner sanctum is the realization that the Daemon is also the Divine Guest, is

also you --> is the Deity, is born in all.

Born to extrapolate. The book makes sense of the tributaries, the symbolism in

the Gnostic texts. (Jesus and his brother/ twin etc.) Some of those old stories

are very strange until it's realized they were read even in their time as

symbolic.

So dance. Jesus taught in parables, and he was one as well. That realization is

only a loss to the literal. All Christians lose in Gnowing is the control of

Rome over them, and by that I mean the ancient empire that never really died.

Indeed the control still goes on:

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/ac20001012.shtml

The literality, the middle men... Time to move beyond the Mall Santa Claus by

embracing each creature who suffers as the Christ Messiah. Feel the sorrow and

agony with Mr. Gibson's movie, and then extrapolate: go out and work for peace.

How can that be bad? Realizing in each moment all the cosmos as a mysterious

Christmas gift, an incarnation, consciousness waking up in the field of time.

The sacred marriage, always there. Just knock. Come together.

In Middlemarch, Eliot has Dorothea Casaubon speaking of emeralds as

pieces of heaven: Each and every one of us, a jewel.

I died from minerality and became vegetable;

And From vegetativeness I died and became animal.

I died from animality and became man.

Then why fear disappearance through death?

Next time I shall die

Bringing forth wings and feathers like angels;

After that, soaring higher than angels -

What you cannot imagine,

I shall be that.

~Rumi~

So Abram rose, and clave the wood, and went,

And took the fire with him, and a knife.

And as they sojourned both of them together,

Isaac the first-born spake and said, My Father,

Behold the preparations, fire and iron,

But where the lamb, for this burnt-offering?

Then Abram bound the youth with belts and straps,

And builded parapets and trenches there,

And stretchèd forth the knife to slay his son.

When lo! an Angel called him out of heaven,

Saying, Lay not they hand upon the lad,

Neither do anything to him, thy son.

Behold! Caught in a thicket by its horns,

A Ram. Offer the Ram of Pride instead.

But the old man would not so, but slew his son,

And half the seed of Europe, one by one.

Wilfred Owen 1917

Best wishes from a simple intuitive introvert,

Deborah

http://jungcircle.com/muse

A cultural era is not defined by the content

of the ideas it conveys but by its interpretive filter...

the hidden threads that link ideas

to the invisible will of the time. ~Ioan Couliano

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Deborahl

Tried the page you gave for the jesusmysteries. No luck, they said page not

available.

I loved the rest of your post and your website.

Toni

what is

What is the use of a religion without a mythos, since religion means, if

anything, precisely that function which links us back to eternal myth? ~CGJUNG

I think you'd like this Jesus Mystery book

http://www.jesusmysteries.demon.co.uk/home.html. It's written nuts and bolts,

easy read, a quick engaging consumption, but it's very well documented: It's a

source, an index that brings one up to speed in what's been going on in ancient

history re the topic. No wonder it's made an impression. Thumbnail: Jesus drawn

from the symbolism of Osiris on down to his resurrections in Dionysos, Bacchus,

Mithras... Importance of the Sofia, the symbolism of the Magdalene, the God

incarnated as man through a mortal mother.... all there as they ever were, and

ultimately understood as a symbolic journey. A reflection of Nature. The

Gnostics basically celebrated Christ in the same tradition, with the literal man

in the loin cloth etc., the latest incarnation, ultimately understood to be

symbolic: death and rebirth, with inner and outer initiations. The sacred

marriage happens in each of us. The Daemon / Genius ( JCNitzsche, The Genius

Figure in Antiquity and the Middle Ages) we keep stumbling into is ultimately

that very Divine Guest -- the Self, who progressively incarnates within our

consciousness (dawns on us) as Guardian Angel, doppelganger, the Daemon

intercessionist -- (Daemon, spirit between god and man as the term means:

http://www.jungcircle.com/muse/plato.htm . Plato was exposing higher Orphic

mysteries which were not original to him. The gripe is that he doesn't credit

and rather belittles their source. Athens, rah rah rah.) But the magic in the

inner sanctum is the realization that the Daemon is also the Divine Guest, is

also you --> is the Deity, is born in all.

Born to extrapolate. The book makes sense of the tributaries, the symbolism in

the Gnostic texts. (Jesus and his brother/ twin etc.) Some of those old stories

are very strange until it's realized they were read even in their time as

symbolic.

So dance. Jesus taught in parables, and he was one as well. That realization

is only a loss to the literal. All Christians lose in Gnowing is the control of

Rome over them, and by that I mean the ancient empire that never really died.

Indeed the control still goes on:

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/ac20001012.shtml

The literality, the middle men... Time to move beyond the Mall Santa Claus by

embracing each creature who suffers as the Christ Messiah. Feel the sorrow and

agony with Mr. Gibson's movie, and then extrapolate: go out and work for peace.

How can that be bad? Realizing in each moment all the cosmos as a mysterious

Christmas gift, an incarnation, consciousness waking up in the field of time.

The sacred marriage, always there. Just knock. Come together.

In Middlemarch, Eliot has Dorothea Casaubon speaking of emeralds as

pieces of heaven: Each and every one of us, a jewel.

I died from minerality and became vegetable;

And From vegetativeness I died and became animal.

I died from animality and became man.

Then why fear disappearance through death?

Next time I shall die

Bringing forth wings and feathers like angels;

After that, soaring higher than angels -

What you cannot imagine,

I shall be that.

~Rumi~

So Abram rose, and clave the wood, and went,

And took the fire with him, and a knife.

And as they sojourned both of them together,

Isaac the first-born spake and said, My Father,

Behold the preparations, fire and iron,

But where the lamb, for this burnt-offering?

Then Abram bound the youth with belts and straps,

And builded parapets and trenches there,

And stretchèd forth the knife to slay his son.

When lo! an Angel called him out of heaven,

Saying, Lay not they hand upon the lad,

Neither do anything to him, thy son.

Behold! Caught in a thicket by its horns,

A Ram. Offer the Ram of Pride instead.

But the old man would not so, but slew his son,

And half the seed of Europe, one by one.

Wilfred Owen 1917

Best wishes from a simple intuitive introvert,

Deborah

http://jungcircle.com/muse

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much Toni. Wow.

Link is at:

http://www.jesusmysteries.demon.co.uk/home.html

Had a dot at the end it didn't need.

x's

ps.

Can't explain my own website. Delighted if anyone likes it. A new form, Carroll

might point out, and possessed by the times and this dumb toaster. We blog for

eros.

Difficult times. Hold on.

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In a message dated 2/24/2004 12:00:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,

pulcritudo@... writes:

So dance. Jesus taught in parables, and he was one as well. That realization

is only a loss to the literal. All Christians lose in Gnowing is the control

of Rome over them, and by that I mean the ancient empire that never really

died. Indeed the control still goes on:

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/ac20001012.shtml

Ahem, I should have known, more aliases than a thrice convicted overparking

scofflaw, LOL!

Hiya Muse, well I've been contemplating, not a good thing really, and the

more I look at it, the more I like it,,, I do think its good,,, fact is,, I WISH

YOU WERE HERE TO SEE IT!!!!

well maybe that will R. Fripp you out a bit,,OK, so once again folks around

here are doing their own homework instead of letting others do it for them,

Ouch!! The more things change the more they stay the same, and current society

only uses what has been handed down through the ages to smooth out the rough

edges, yeah! So what does that mean, really, that we are mostly tackling issues

that haven't been disposed of in the last 2000 years really! Now what is one

to make of that remark, ,,only that until issues such as the ones you have

been compelled to elucidate have been properly examined, then no headway can

occur really. Crisis then, crisis now, is what it boils down to.

The problem npw is at it was then, just a matter of semantics really, people

who take matters literally instead of idealistically, as someone such as Plato

would have liked I'm sure! I'm just about to make a bit of headway on the

Gnostic issue of the matter, and until more than myself realize that the words

we use in common parlance without a whit of understanding behind them, (They

were Constructed!),, just like everything else in this world to endure, just as

they have been and are still used to this day by most, then no headway is

possible.

Only recently has anyone actually tried to convey to the public at large an

entire body of knowledge known to the Gnostic traditionalists and it has been a

real eye opener for me in my own studies of these ancient traditions,

however, for the sake of ambiguity, I'll only pass along the hyperlink

references to

the more curious inquirerers present. Only last night I was contemplating the

ancient Egyptian entity, known to the Greeks as, " Thoth " whose name value in

the Greek tongue amplified by the Solar quotient value of the Sun, yield the

following equation, Thoth-88 x Solar Constant-37 = 3256, which equates to

" Psyche " -1708(Soul to all you professed Jungians, ha!) + The Mystery " -1548!

And

so,,,I suggest that until more become involved in this most convoluted

" Mystery " , then no headway shall be possible, period!

Bows out gracefully as they all scratch their noggins,

The Mutt