RE: herb photos

February 10, 2010

I was wondering if anyone has any good photos of herbs that I could buy to put

on my website - does anyone know if Henrietta sells them?

Thanks

Sally Moorcroft MNIMH

To: ukherbal-list

From: riverdellherbs@...

Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 07:40:33 -0800

Subject: Re: Re:Torret's syndrome

Tourette's syndrome? The only child I had with it was extremely gluten

sensitive. As long as he stayed GF he was fine.

J Fidler, MCPP, (RH) AHG

Herbalist

Re:The Lightning Process

Dear ,

I have included below an article I wrote for my local ME support group about my

own experiences of the Lightning Process. I have quite severe ME/ CFS myself

(have been too unwell to practise herbal medicine since qualifying) and was made

considerably worse after attempting this therapy.

My own personal theory is that may depend on factors such as the degree of

adrenal exhaustion, and whether the person has true neuro-immune ME, or a more

loosely defined form of chronic fatigue which responds better to these mind/body

techniques.

I would recommend anyone wanting to try such techniques, to have a look at the

Gupta Amygdala Retraining Programme . It is much cheaper (about £100), carried

out over 6 months in your own time, and emphasises the need to take things very

gently, rather than purporting to be a 3-day miracle cure. It also includes a

clear rationale for the programme, wheras the LP seems to be clouded in secrecy

& mystery and has an almost cult-like feel to it.

Apologies for the slightly poetic nature of the piece - was not for a learned

journal!

Isobel

THE LIGHTNING PROCESS: A WORD OF CAUTION

Spurred on by the successes of other members of our group, I optimistically set

off on a trip to Wales to do the Lightning Process and have a bit of a holiday

in Wales last September. The adrenaline theory sounded very plausible: somehow

the body has got stuck in an adrenaline loop, which the LP can break. The

technique is a very physical one which involves calling out 'STOP', while at the

same time gesturing it with your arms whenever you become aware of negative

thoughts, emotions or body states. My practitioner said that if we worked

consistently with the method we could expect to recover from the illness within

a week or at the most a month, would not need to use the process after that and

would not need to pace any more. I did indeed work enthusiastically and

optimistically at it. Our homework after the 1st session was to do the process

at least 100 times. Here I came up against my first problem - I diligently did

this but it made me feel

considerably worse, couldn't sleep, with palpitations and feeling very 'hyper'

which lasted several days. In fact the best day of my trip to Wales was the

lovely sunny day before I did the LP, when I strolled up to Llansteffan Castle

to get wonderful views of the coast and then sipped ginger beer in the local

pub. I hoped the LP would be the icing on the cake, about to launch me into a

new life full of endless possibilities.

I persisted with the technique, encouraged by my LP practitioner and increased

my activity levels over the next few months, but I was unable to sustain this

and in March experienced a devastating crash which has left me much iller than I

have ever been in 14 years of ME. I believe that the 'can do' approach

encouraged me to push through my natural limitations and ignore the warning

signs, and I now sorely regret having put so much faith in it. I have since

discovered that many other PWME have had either no improvement at all or been

made worse. The LP clearly works extremely well for some types of fatigue, and

it is fantastic that so many people have made amazing progress with it, but it

is being applied across the board with little understanding of the complexities,

individual differences and subtypes of ME/CFS. It is very much a

one-size-fits-all approach. What I find most worrying is that Phil , the

founder of LP, claims it has the potential to

work for everyone with ME and that it only fails to work if you don't apply it

correctly and consistently - in a recent Interaction (March 2007) article he

likened it to learning French - or if you have some kind of vested interest in

being ill. This wasn't the case with me and I feel it is unethical and

irresponsible to make such claims when the biological processes underlying

ME/CFS are still unclear.

Other health professionals seem to be more aware of the broader picture.

of the Optimum Health Clinic, who helped develop the technique, has now

distanced himself from LP in its current form because of these dangers. They now

use mind-body techniques in a safer and more individually tailored manner, based

on getting the body into a healing state. Also Professor LJ Findley of the Essex

Neurosciences Unit, who has sent some of his patients for LP, is clear that it

is not suitable for everyone, it depends on what the perpetuating factors are.

On You & Yours (BBC R4, 30/07/07), he said that patients who are consciously or

subconsciously producing the stress response are likely to do well with LP. In

Interaction 59 (March 2007) he said " a great deal of basic work is required in

order to ascertain which patients are likely to respond to LP, and those who

could be harmed or made worse by treatment, at what point in the illness it

might be

appropriate to use the illness and the duration of effects as they have never

been measured. "

February 10, 2010

Hi Sally,

Bergitte McGovern is a great photographer with a really beautiful range of

herb photos - I have used some of them in the past for classes and workshops

etc.

I think she is on this list, otherwise you can contact her at:

bergitte@...

Hope that helps,

Pamela

Re: Re:Torret's syndrome

Tourette's syndrome? The only child I had with it was extremely gluten

sensitive. As long as he stayed GF he was fine.

J Fidler, MCPP, (RH) AHG

Herbalist

Re:The Lightning Process

Dear ,

I have included below an article I wrote for my local ME support group about

my own experiences of the Lightning Process. I have quite severe ME/ CFS

myself (have been too unwell to practise herbal medicine since qualifying)

and was made considerably worse after attempting this therapy.

My own personal theory is that may depend on factors such as the degree of

adrenal exhaustion, and whether the person has true neuro-immune ME, or a

more loosely defined form of chronic fatigue which responds better to these

mind/body techniques.

I would recommend anyone wanting to try such techniques, to have a look at

the Gupta Amygdala Retraining Programme . It is much cheaper (about £100),

carried out over 6 months in your own time, and emphasises the need to take

things very gently, rather than purporting to be a 3-day miracle cure. It

also includes a clear rationale for the programme, wheras the LP seems to be

clouded in secrecy & mystery and has an almost cult-like feel to it.

Apologies for the slightly poetic nature of the piece - was not for a

learned journal!

Isobel

THE LIGHTNING PROCESS: A WORD OF CAUTION

Spurred on by the successes of other members of our group, I optimistically

set off on a trip to Wales to do the Lightning Process and have a bit of a

holiday in Wales last September. The adrenaline theory sounded very

plausible: somehow the body has got stuck in an adrenaline loop, which the

LP can break. The technique is a very physical one which involves calling

out 'STOP', while at the same time gesturing it with your arms whenever you

become aware of negative thoughts, emotions or body states. My practitioner

said that if we worked consistently with the method we could expect to

recover from the illness within a week or at the most a month, would not

need to use the process after that and would not need to pace any more. I

did indeed work enthusiastically and optimistically at it. Our homework

after the 1st session was to do the process at least 100 times. Here I came

up against my first problem - I diligently did this but it made me feel

considerably worse, couldn't sleep, with palpitations and feeling very

'hyper' which lasted several days. In fact the best day of my trip to Wales

was the lovely sunny day before I did the LP, when I strolled up to

Llansteffan Castle to get wonderful views of the coast and then sipped

ginger beer in the local pub. I hoped the LP would be the icing on the cake,

about to launch me into a new life full of endless possibilities.

I persisted with the technique, encouraged by my LP practitioner and

increased my activity levels over the next few months, but I was unable to

sustain this and in March experienced a devastating crash which has left me

much iller than I have ever been in 14 years of ME. I believe that the 'can

do' approach encouraged me to push through my natural limitations and ignore

the warning signs, and I now sorely regret having put so much faith in it. I

have since discovered that many other PWME have had either no improvement at

all or been made worse. The LP clearly works extremely well for some types

of fatigue, and it is fantastic that so many people have made amazing

progress with it, but it is being applied across the board with little

understanding of the complexities, individual differences and subtypes of

ME/CFS. It is very much a one-size-fits-all approach. What I find most

worrying is that Phil , the founder of LP, claims it has the potential

to

work for everyone with ME and that it only fails to work if you don't apply

it correctly and consistently - in a recent Interaction (March 2007) article

he likened it to learning French - or if you have some kind of vested

interest in being ill. This wasn't the case with me and I feel it is

unethical and irresponsible to make such claims when the biological

processes underlying ME/CFS are still unclear.

Other health professionals seem to be more aware of the broader picture.

of the Optimum Health Clinic, who helped develop the technique,

has now distanced himself from LP in its current form because of these

dangers. They now use mind-body techniques in a safer and more individually

tailored manner, based on getting the body into a healing state. Also

Professor LJ Findley of the Essex Neurosciences Unit, who has sent some of

his patients for LP, is clear that it is not suitable for everyone, it

depends on what the perpetuating factors are. On You & Yours (BBC R4,

30/07/07), he said that patients who are consciously or subconsciously

producing the stress response are likely to do well with LP. In Interaction

59 (March 2007) he said " a great deal of basic work is required in order to

ascertain which patients are likely to respond to LP, and those who could be

harmed or made worse by treatment, at what point in the illness it might be

appropriate to use the illness and the duration of effects as they have

never been measured. "

February 10, 2010

Hi Sally

Dore supplied the photos on display around NIMh conference last year and

for the conference brochure - I can't suggest you look at it as I've just got

Hoyle to take it off the website today!

But julie is on the list and will probably respond.....

ATB

February 10, 2010

sally moorcroft wrote:

> I was wondering if anyone has any good photos of herbs that I could buy to

> put on my website - does anyone know if Henrietta sells them?

I do. However, they're free of charge to practising herbalists ... just

pick'em off my site and put'em up on yours, with a link back to my site.

If you require larger pics that's different (my time is limited); in that

case, read this: http://www.henriettesherbal.com/market/photo-rates.html

H.

--

Henriette Kress, AHG Helsinki, Finland

Henriette's herbal homepage: http://www.henriettesherbal.com

February 11, 2010

HI again, Sally

As well as Henriette, and Bergitte, you could look at Rowan McOnegal's

photos- Rowan used to be a professional photogrpaher. Rowan doesn't practice any

more - she makes stained glass. She has said ignore the commercial costs on her

website - you can have them at cost price (cost being time to find and take

them, put them on disc or emailing and so on).

www.rowanmconegal.co.uk

I bet there are loads of amateur photographers on this list. I've taken some

pretty decent photos although my camera isn't much good so the quality is not

great, and I've seen some of Jane Gray's, and Nikki Hawkes' - they clearly have

far better cameras than me.

If you're reading this thread and take photos, or know people who do, and

especially if you're willing to share them, please let us all know.

best wishes

February 11, 2010

I have many photos I have taken, you can see some in my website and in my

attached newsletters. But if you go to Google images there are many you can

copy, or try Flickr too.

If you like any either copy from my site as once on something like that you

can't protect them anyway or I can email the original, or tell me a herb and

I can tell you if I have a decent photo (most of mine are local, natives of

course!)