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My husband has been in the NH since Feb., and has

suffered almost continuously from UTIs. He doesn't

always run a fever, but invariably, he gets out of

control, gets physically and verbally abusive, cusses,

hits, kicks, etc. A couple of weeks ago he had a bad

spell, and they finally treated with an antibiotic

shot followed by more medication. It seemed to clear

it up. This past Sunday was the first I knew he was

getting combative again, but they told me later it

started Friday, hitting, and combative with staff. On

Sunday, one of the LPNs was having a bad time with

him, but she has a tendency to be very brusque,

ordering the patients around, etc., and generally is

met with resistance. My granddaughter observed this

behavior and made some remarks about the treatment.

The next day, I was called into the NH for a

conference, and in speaking with the social worker,

DON, ADON, and the manager of the facility, we agreed

that even tho I didn't want to use Seroquel, that he

would be give a low dose at night to possibly stop

some of the aggressive behavior and help him sleep, as

he seems to have days and nights mixed up. Anyway,

after three doses of the Seroquel, he became even more

combative, until yesterday morning, they called me

that he was uncontrollable, that they couldn't get

near him for medicine or food, and he was possibly

going to injure the staff or himself. They suggested

that he go to the senior diagnostic center for

evaluation of his meds, to which I reluctantly agreed.

Somehow, between the time I talked with them and his

entrance into the hospital, they got close enough to

him to get another dose of Seroquel in him and get him

in the wheelchair to be transported. I indicated to

the admitting nurse that I believed he had LBD,

although he has not been formally diagnosed, and I

expressed my concerns about some of the meds they

might be trying on him (neuroleptics). She kind of

gave me the impression that she didn't think it was

LBD and that many of the symptoms I was describing

were AD too. I expressed concerns about his lack of

sleep and said I had read from the posts about

Trazadone and Melatonin as possible sleep aids.

Today, when I went back, lo and behold the

psychiatrist was there and available to talk. Seemed

a little surprised about my knowing anything about LBD

and wanted to know why I suspected it. I told him,

and he agrees that he thinks it is, and for the first

time, I feel that this doctor is really trying to help

as opposed to the others who act like they think you

don't know what you are talking about. He said that

with LBD, the less medicine and the lowest doses are

best. They gave him Trazadone last night for sleep;

think they had to give him two doses, and they let him

sleep in recliner at nurses' station, but it sounded

as if he slept. Dr. is going to start him again on

Namenda, but he says it should be kept at a low dose

(5 mg morning and night). He said the Aricept dose

for LBD should be no more than 10 mg per day. He is

also going to use Depakote sprinkles in his food,

which will take the edge off the irritability and

anger, and the patient doesn't know they are getting

it in their food. They also found he has another UTI,

hence the bad behavior, and I should have followed my

instinct to mention that Monday, but so often they act

like they think I'm trying to cause problems. In his

last care conference, they had said they would keep

him on a low dose of antibiotic to keep UTIs from

returning, but they did not carry thru with that, and

they said the urologist said he would not prescribe

that. Anyway, while I was at the hospital, the NH

called and told me they would not take him back

because of his behavior. Fortunately I had talked to

the social worker at the hospital and found they

cannot do that; they have to take him back and then if

they can find another place for him, they can transfer

him. I told them that he has another UTI and reminded

them that they agreed to do the preventive antibiotic

and they had not. While I was still there, the

marketing director called the social worker and told

her that he could come back; I'm sure they didn't want

to get into any problems with the state regulatory

agencies. Anyway, I left there and went to talk to

them, the NH director and social worker, and since it

was a UTI probably causing the bad behavior, they will

take him back. I also talked to the newer ADON, who

appears to be very cognizant of the problems; she had

never heard of LBD nor Capgras syndrome and was going

to research it on the computer. So, we got things

straightened out at this point. I think they kind of

backtracked because they knew they could get into

trouble for not following the care plan and could not

refuse to take him back. I sensed a distinct coolness

on the part of some of the staff, so it probably won't

be a good situation, but I will be watching them

closely to see that he is treated properly. I had

told them many times that when he acted up, it was

generally UTI or another physical problem. I also

found out that his weight has dropped from 183 in

mid-January to 160 yesterday. The NH had kept

insisting that he weighed 173, and I knew better, as

he was really getting thin thru hips, shoulders, and

legs.

I know this is long, and I hope you don't get bored

reading it, but I believe that it is important for

those of you who may encounter some of this to know

about it and also about some of the regulations. I

also wanted to share that a doctor was open to

consideration of the LBD diagnosis and agreed fully

that " less is better " regarding medications, which I

had been trying to tell them all along.

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June,

Have you had access to the DVD that Carol had done in Florida? I think you can

ask for it at the LBDA site, (after my name is the address) or if not let me

know and I will get you a copy.

It is done by MDs and will help you know you know what you are talking about.

And for those Medical people who are so smart, (or think they are) you can get

them a copy made.

Let me know if you have problems getting it.

Hope this helps.

Donna R

Do you want to read more about Lewy Body? You can also read the Thistle, the LBD

Newsletter. Just click on:

http://www.lewybodydementia.org

Experiences Last Two Days

My husband has been in the NH since Feb., and has

suffered almost continuously from UTIs. He doesn't

always run a fever, but invariably, he gets out of

control, gets physically and verbally abusive, cusses,

hits, kicks, etc. A couple of weeks ago he had a bad

spell, and they finally treated with an antibiotic

shot followed by more medication. It seemed to clear

it up. This past Sunday was the first I knew he was

getting combative again, but they told me later it

started Friday, hitting, and combative with staff. On

Sunday, one of the LPNs was having a bad time with

him, but she has a tendency to be very brusque,

ordering the patients around, etc., and generally is

met with resistance. My granddaughter observed this

behavior and made some remarks about the treatment.

The next day, I was called into the NH for a

conference, and in speaking with the social worker,

DON, ADON, and the manager of the facility, we agreed

that even tho I didn't want to use Seroquel, that he

would be give a low dose at night to possibly stop

some of the aggressive behavior and help him sleep, as

he seems to have days and nights mixed up. Anyway,

after three doses of the Seroquel, he became even more

combative, until yesterday morning, they called me

that he was uncontrollable, that they couldn't get

near him for medicine or food, and he was possibly

going to injure the staff or himself. They suggested

that he go to the senior diagnostic center for

evaluation of his meds, to which I reluctantly agreed.

Somehow, between the time I talked with them and his

entrance into the hospital, they got close enough to

him to get another dose of Seroquel in him and get him

in the wheelchair to be transported. I indicated to

the admitting nurse that I believed he had LBD,

although he has not been formally diagnosed, and I

expressed my concerns about some of the meds they

might be trying on him (neuroleptics). She kind of

gave me the impression that she didn't think it was

LBD and that many of the symptoms I was describing

were AD too. I expressed concerns about his lack of

sleep and said I had read from the posts about

Trazadone and Melatonin as possible sleep aids.

Today, when I went back, lo and behold the

psychiatrist was there and available to talk. Seemed

a little surprised about my knowing anything about LBD

and wanted to know why I suspected it. I told him,

and he agrees that he thinks it is, and for the first

time, I feel that this doctor is really trying to help

as opposed to the others who act like they think you

don't know what you are talking about. He said that

with LBD, the less medicine and the lowest doses are

best. They gave him Trazadone last night for sleep;

think they had to give him two doses, and they let him

sleep in recliner at nurses' station, but it sounded

as if he slept. Dr. is going to start him again on

Namenda, but he says it should be kept at a low dose

(5 mg morning and night). He said the Aricept dose

for LBD should be no more than 10 mg per day. He is

also going to use Depakote sprinkles in his food,

which will take the edge off the irritability and

anger, and the patient doesn't know they are getting

it in their food. They also found he has another UTI,

hence the bad behavior, and I should have followed my

instinct to mention that Monday, but so often they act

like they think I'm trying to cause problems. In his

last care conference, they had said they would keep

him on a low dose of antibiotic to keep UTIs from

returning, but they did not carry thru with that, and

they said the urologist said he would not prescribe

that. Anyway, while I was at the hospital, the NH

called and told me they would not take him back

because of his behavior. Fortunately I had talked to

the social worker at the hospital and found they

cannot do that; they have to take him back and then if

they can find another place for him, they can transfer

him. I told them that he has another UTI and reminded

them that they agreed to do the preventive antibiotic

and they had not. While I was still there, the

marketing director called the social worker and told

her that he could come back; I'm sure they didn't want

to get into any problems with the state regulatory

agencies. Anyway, I left there and went to talk to

them, the NH director and social worker, and since it

was a UTI probably causing the bad behavior, they will

take him back. I also talked to the newer ADON, who

appears to be very cognizant of the problems; she had

never heard of LBD nor Capgras syndrome and was going

to research it on the computer. So, we got things

straightened out at this point. I think they kind of

backtracked because they knew they could get into

trouble for not following the care plan and could not

refuse to take him back. I sensed a distinct coolness

on the part of some of the staff, so it probably won't

be a good situation, but I will be watching them

closely to see that he is treated properly. I had

told them many times that when he acted up, it was

generally UTI or another physical problem. I also

found out that his weight has dropped from 183 in

mid-January to 160 yesterday. The NH had kept

insisting that he weighed 173, and I knew better, as

he was really getting thin thru hips, shoulders, and

legs.

I know this is long, and I hope you don't get bored

reading it, but I believe that it is important for

those of you who may encounter some of this to know

about it and also about some of the regulations. I

also wanted to share that a doctor was open to

consideration of the LBD diagnosis and agreed fully

that " less is better " regarding medications, which I

had been trying to tell them all along.

__________________________________________________

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