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> There are reasons why I have found

> great value in Ramana's teachings on

> practice, developing strength of mind

> and elimination of Vassanas.

>

>

> *****There are always reasons.

Can I absolutely know that?

Or, is it just an uninvestigated thought?

>

>

> Numerous times I have ended in state

> that can be called of:

>

> - no thoughts

>

> - freedom from [form] identification

>

> - Pure Awareness

>

> - Love

>

> - Bliss

>

> Yet, as soon as I have gained

> [secondary] Awareness of 'being in this

> state'; I have started asking myself -

> " am I still alive? " , " who is this who

> is living? " , " who am I? " , " what is the

> meaning of living like this? " .

>

>

>

> *****Perhaps not useful questions.

Can I truly know that these are " useless " questions?

Or, is it just an uninvestigated thought?

> For example, " meaning " .....this

> is determined by the individuals' background (conditioning) and

will

> vary from bodymind mechanism to bodymind mechanism.

>

> *****More to the point, as long as there is an " I " to gain

anything,

> the game continues.

How can I know that with absolute certainty?

Or, is this just an uninvestigated thought?

>

>

> If this is really " living " then, what

> can " death " be like?

>

> *****Sleep. No eye, ear, nose, tongue, body, mind. No color,

sound,

> smell, taste, touch, phenomena. Sleep. Plain and simple.

I already feel pretty much that way when I end up in

that 'state'.

It is as if I lost my body!

What does that mean?

>

>

> And, I [or call it ego, mind, duality,

> person] have felt kind of

> " uncomfortable " !

>

> *****Not uncommon when faced with what appears to be oblivion.

Yes. That matches with my experience.

>

>

> I [or call it 'ego'] have felt like

> 'not existing'...

>

> I [or call it mind] as if along with

> 'identity'; I have also lot all my

> memories, relationships, all my

> " history " ...

>

> as I if I am living in a 'oblivion'...

>

>

> as if I have been " wiped out " ...

>

>

> *****As a dream is wiped out by awakening. ;-)

Yes...

the above feels close to " how I feel " ...

the part that I guess I feels frightening is that

everything including 'myself', " my " family, " my "

wife, " my " word, " my " goals, " my " ambitions,

" my " needs, " my " vision, " my " preference,

" my " vision...

seem to be part of the same disappearing dream!

...and, without this " dream " ...

.....

>

>

> As if I have seen my own " death " and

> now, I will rather go back to the

> " illusion " ...

>

>

> *****Yes. That is the pull.

Yes. That seems true for me.

>

>

> Where there is sense of " doing " , where

> there is sense of " being " , where there

> is some " stimulus " , where I " feel " ups

> and downs " ...

>

> Where I [or call it mind] can feel

> " alive " again...

>

> Where I can feel " normal " again...

>

>

> It has happened many, many times but,

> still I [or mind] still haven't found

> it comfortable enough...

>

> Guess, when 'living' like this,

> everything has started appearing like a

> 'drama', an 'act' to me and I [or ego]

> have longed to get 'normal' again. To

> get back to a 'state', a 'mode' where I

> feel like 'belonging' to this world,

> where I feel like 'living in this

> world', where I feel part of this

> world, where my desires, my wishes, my

> thoughts feel really serious and where

> I cry, laugh, feel sad, feel lust, feel

> anger, feel disappointment, passion,

> zest like any " human " ...

>

>

> *****Too much investment in this births pain though. A balance is

> required to navigate the waters of both of its expressions: the

> immanence and the transcendence.

I don't know.

>

>

>

> Almost every time that it has

> happened, I [ego] have kind of hit a

> 'panic' mode and I have stated doing

> everything [internet, sports, movies,

> sex...] more in an attempt to 'burry'

> it..., to 'forget' it, to 'hide' it

> from 'myself'!

>

>

> *****Perhaps you weren't ready for it yet.

Maybe...

Though, the question is... will " I " ever be ready

for it?

>

> And, I have wondered, will I [mind]

> ever get fully comfortable with this

> 'mode of being'...

>

> *****Wait and see. That is the only way to answer such a

question.

> If it ever happens, you will know.

I guess this is where some 'guidance' as

in someone 'reciting his own experience'

is useful.

Maybe, this is where " gurus " and their teachings

become useful and relevant.

>

>

>

> PS : Irrespective of peace, bliss, love...

> I have felt it like my own death

> and, question has been what " use "

> this kind of peace really is for

> " me " ... I don't even feel like

> 'living' anymore!

>

>

> ***** " Use " like " meaning " is highly individual and a function of

the

> programming which is you. There is no Absolute,

Universe " meaning "

> or " use. "

How can I absolutely know that there

is no universal meaning or use?

Does [any or all of] happiness, love, freedom,

recognition of reality, resting in reality

appeal to everyone?

>

> I have asked, to " whom " does this peace has

> any significance and have answered - it is not for me.

>

>

> *****The misstep is to think there is a " whom " to which peace

> happens. It is in such unskillful thinking that the entire

> catastrophe is birthed.

Can I truly know that is a 'misstep'?

< How do I feel when I think it was a 'misstep'? >

What if any will be the 'right step'?

Can I absolutely know that... that is the 'right step'?

>

>

> and, that's where, I think the

> notion of 'service' or 'devotion'

> comes into play! Maybe, these

> are nice ways to forget or cover

> my own 'non existence' and give

> " me " a new 'sense' of 'existing'

> and new 'purpose' of being.

>

> I think this is where the concept

> of being a monk, an awakened one

> or a sadhu, a saint too comes

> into play - taking a new but

> 'noble' 'identity'!

>

> *****One need not take on such titles, roles, or lifestyles to

be " of

> service " to one's fellow human beings. Just picking up the trash

> outside the house, holding the door for someone, not lashing out

with

> one's tongue in anger, not parking in a Handicap Zone...these too

are

> ways of being " of service " and very readily available. They

aren't

> sexy or spiritual in the way that most culture portrays them, but

> they are where the rubber meets the road.

Yes. I find value in the above idea.

>

>

>

> PPS: So why do I post it on LWI forum?

>

> *****Because you had no choice. It wasn't your decision, anyway.

Can I absolutely know that?

....

Thanks a lot Andy!

I had a wonderful time talking to you!

Thanks a lot for this beautiful moment!

Greeting and love,

ac.

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How can I help you, Andy?

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>That... It is " I " who creates this questions

>And, it is " I " who needs to " create " the answers

>Too.

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> >

> > There are reasons why I have found

> > great value in Ramana's teachings on

> > practice, developing strength of mind

> > and elimination of Vassanas.

> >

> >

> > *****There are always reasons.

>

> Can I absolutely know that?

>

> Or, is it just an uninvestigated thought?

>

>

> >

> >

> > Numerous times I have ended in state

> > that can be called of:

> >

> > - no thoughts

> >

> > - freedom from [form] identification

> >

> > - Pure Awareness

> >

> > - Love

> >

> > - Bliss

> >

> > Yet, as soon as I have gained

> > [secondary] Awareness of 'being in this

> > state'; I have started asking myself -

> > " am I still alive? " , " who is this who

> > is living? " , " who am I? " , " what is the

> > meaning of living like this? " .

> >

> >

> >

> > *****Perhaps not useful questions.

>

> Can I truly know that these are " useless " questions?

>

> Or, is it just an uninvestigated thought?

>

>

> > For example, " meaning " .....this

> > is determined by the individuals' background (conditioning) and

> will

> > vary from bodymind mechanism to bodymind mechanism.

> >

> > *****More to the point, as long as there is an " I " to gain

> anything,

> > the game continues.

>

> How can I know that with absolute certainty?

>

> Or, is this just an uninvestigated thought?

>

>

> >

> >

> > If this is really " living " then, what

> > can " death " be like?

> >

> > *****Sleep. No eye, ear, nose, tongue, body, mind. No color,

> sound,

> > smell, taste, touch, phenomena. Sleep. Plain and simple.

>

> I already feel pretty much that way when I end up in

> that 'state'.

>

> It is as if I lost my body!

>

> What does that mean?

>

>

> >

> >

> > And, I [or call it ego, mind, duality,

> > person] have felt kind of

> > " uncomfortable " !

> >

> > *****Not uncommon when faced with what appears to be oblivion.

>

> Yes. That matches with my experience.

>

> >

> >

> > I [or call it 'ego'] have felt like

> > 'not existing'...

> >

> > I [or call it mind] as if along with

> > 'identity'; I have also lot all my

> > memories, relationships, all my

> > " history " ...

> >

> > as I if I am living in a 'oblivion'...

> >

> >

> > as if I have been " wiped out " ...

> >

> >

> > *****As a dream is wiped out by awakening. ;-)

>

> Yes...

>

> the above feels close to " how I feel " ...

>

> the part that I guess I feels frightening is that

> everything including 'myself', " my " family, " my "

> wife, " my " word, " my " goals, " my " ambitions,

> " my " needs, " my " vision, " my " preference,

> " my " vision...

>

> seem to be part of the same disappearing dream!

>

> ..and, without this " dream " ...

>

> ....

>

>

> >

> >

> > As if I have seen my own " death " and

> > now, I will rather go back to the

> > " illusion " ...

> >

> >

> > *****Yes. That is the pull.

>

> Yes. That seems true for me.

>

> >

> >

> > Where there is sense of " doing " , where

> > there is sense of " being " , where there

> > is some " stimulus " , where I " feel " ups

> > and downs " ...

> >

> > Where I [or call it mind] can feel

> > " alive " again...

> >

> > Where I can feel " normal " again...

> >

> >

> > It has happened many, many times but,

> > still I [or mind] still haven't found

> > it comfortable enough...

> >

> > Guess, when 'living' like this,

> > everything has started appearing like a

> > 'drama', an 'act' to me and I [or ego]

> > have longed to get 'normal' again. To

> > get back to a 'state', a 'mode' where I

> > feel like 'belonging' to this world,

> > where I feel like 'living in this

> > world', where I feel part of this

> > world, where my desires, my wishes, my

> > thoughts feel really serious and where

> > I cry, laugh, feel sad, feel lust, feel

> > anger, feel disappointment, passion,

> > zest like any " human " ...

> >

> >

> > *****Too much investment in this births pain though. A balance

is

> > required to navigate the waters of both of its expressions: the

> > immanence and the transcendence.

>

>

> I don't know.

>

> >

> >

> >

> > Almost every time that it has

> > happened, I [ego] have kind of hit a

> > 'panic' mode and I have stated doing

> > everything [internet, sports, movies,

> > sex...] more in an attempt to 'burry'

> > it..., to 'forget' it, to 'hide' it

> > from 'myself'!

> >

> >

> > *****Perhaps you weren't ready for it yet.

>

> Maybe...

>

> Though, the question is... will " I " ever be ready

> for it?

>

> >

> > And, I have wondered, will I [mind]

> > ever get fully comfortable with this

> > 'mode of being'...

> >

> > *****Wait and see. That is the only way to answer such a

> question.

> > If it ever happens, you will know.

>

> I guess this is where some 'guidance' as

> in someone 'reciting his own experience'

> is useful.

>

> Maybe, this is where " gurus " and their teachings

> become useful and relevant.

>

> >

> >

> >

> > PS : Irrespective of peace, bliss, love...

> > I have felt it like my own death

> > and, question has been what " use "

> > this kind of peace really is for

> > " me " ... I don't even feel like

> > 'living' anymore!

> >

> >

> > ***** " Use " like " meaning " is highly individual and a function of

> the

> > programming which is you. There is no Absolute,

> Universe " meaning "

> > or " use. "

>

> How can I absolutely know that there

> is no universal meaning or use?

>

> Does [any or all of] happiness, love, freedom,

> recognition of reality, resting in reality

> appeal to everyone?

>

>

> >

> > I have asked, to " whom " does this peace has

> > any significance and have answered - it is not for me.

> >

> >

> > *****The misstep is to think there is a " whom " to which peace

> > happens. It is in such unskillful thinking that the entire

> > catastrophe is birthed.

>

> Can I truly know that is a 'misstep'?

>

> < How do I feel when I think it was a 'misstep'? >

>

> What if any will be the 'right step'?

>

> Can I absolutely know that... that is the 'right step'?

>

> >

> >

> > and, that's where, I think the

> > notion of 'service' or 'devotion'

> > comes into play! Maybe, these

> > are nice ways to forget or cover

> > my own 'non existence' and give

> > " me " a new 'sense' of 'existing'

> > and new 'purpose' of being.

> >

> > I think this is where the concept

> > of being a monk, an awakened one

> > or a sadhu, a saint too comes

> > into play - taking a new but

> > 'noble' 'identity'!

> >

> > *****One need not take on such titles, roles, or lifestyles to

> be " of

> > service " to one's fellow human beings. Just picking up the

trash

> > outside the house, holding the door for someone, not lashing out

> with

> > one's tongue in anger, not parking in a Handicap Zone...these

too

> are

> > ways of being " of service " and very readily available. They

> aren't

> > sexy or spiritual in the way that most culture portrays them,

but

> > they are where the rubber meets the road.

>

> Yes. I find value in the above idea.

>

> >

> >

> >

> > PPS: So why do I post it on LWI forum?

> >

> > *****Because you had no choice. It wasn't your decision, anyway.

>

> Can I absolutely know that?

>

>

> ...

>

> Thanks a lot Andy!

>

> I had a wonderful time talking to you!

>

> Thanks a lot for this beautiful moment!

>

> Greeting and love,

> ac.

>

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