Guest guest Posted June 16, 1999 Report Share Posted June 16, 1999 In a message dated 6/16/99 5:58:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time, sy1@... writes: << Dudley remarked: " I'd rather not have diabetes. But God works in mysterious ways. To be here. To have a family, my wife, my child. With the diabetes, because I can handle it, it gives me an opportunity to help others who have it, as well. " >> It is a personal opinion of mine that people with disease should not reproduce. Now, this man's child may be adopted, certainly the comment does not affirm or deny that this is his biological child. I just cannot understand why that choice would be made. I did not learn of my diabetes until I was well into my 30s. However, if I knew it during my child bearing days, I would have sought alternative methods for a child. I wonder what makes the human nature think the world needs another " me " ? a J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 1999 Report Share Posted June 16, 1999 In a message dated 6/16/99 9:48:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Pawprinter@... writes: << It is a personal opinion of mine that people with disease should not reproduce. Now, this man's child may be adopted, certainly the comment does not affirm or deny that this is his biological child. I just cannot understand why that choice would be made. I did not learn of my diabetes until I was well into my 30s. However, if I knew it during my child bearing days, I would have sought alternative methods for a child. I wonder what makes the human nature think the world needs another " me " ? a J. >> a - Of course, having diabetes does increase the chances of producing a diabetic child, however it it not neccesarily a given that the child will. Diabetes is a treatable disease. Do you feel the same about people who have epilepsy? Having diabetes does not make me less of a person, or a burden on society. Of course, I would rather not have diabetes, but I don't intend to forgo having children just because I do. Not blasting you, just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 1999 Report Share Posted June 16, 1999 Diane: Not only do I feel the same way about persons who have epilepsy, but any disease. May come from all the years I hear of hereditary being a major factor in breast cancer, cervical cancer and other diseases. So, in a nut shell, I feel that knowingly unhealthy persons should not reproduce. a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 1999 Report Share Posted June 16, 1999 At 09:47 AM 6/16/99 EDT, Pawprinter@... wrote: >From: Pawprinter@... > >In a message dated 6/16/99 5:58:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time, sy1@... >writes: > ><< > Dudley remarked: " I'd rather not have diabetes. But God works in > mysterious ways. To be here. To have a family, my wife, my child. With > the diabetes, because I can handle it, it gives me an opportunity to help > others who have it, as well. " >> > >It is a personal opinion of mine that people with disease should not >reproduce. Sorry, but being pro-choice I can not go there with you. maybe that man's kid would not have diabetes. I have two wonderful kids that I would have had regardless. Though I respect your choices, I certainly would not have made them. Diabetes is rough, but who knows if you necessarily pass it on to your kids???? BTW> I am adopted and have DM and it sure would have been better to know the possibility of that in my future. Could have found out about it a LOT sooner... -climbing of that soapbox now! ****************************************************** A musician must make music, an artist must paint, a poet must write, if he is to be ultimately at peace with himself. What one can be, one must be. -Abraham Maslow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 1999 Report Share Posted June 16, 1999 Thanks for the story , helps to remind me that it could be worse and that this illness is managable. Even if it dosn't seem so at the moment. I found that if I don't have a substantial starch with each meal, I find myself craving 'pure' sugar. And I mean a serious craving. So I would run for a candy bar and still not be satisfied. But if I had a cup of pasta or two slices of bread or something along those lines. 6 servings of starch a day, I'm fine. I can follow my eating plan and not have cravings that run a muck. You live and learn. Piper ------------------------------------------------------------- " I'd call a place pure paradise where friends are loyal and strangers are nice, where the music is jazz and the season is fall. Promise me that or nothing at all. " -- MAYA ANGELOU mailto:chicnoir7@... http://macweb.macol.net/~Pipers-Page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 1999 Report Share Posted June 16, 1999 You know I wasn't going to put my two cents in but I will anyhow... I just found out that I have type II diabetes... but I have been trying for the last 8 years to have a baby with no success... between donor insemination and everything that is possible as an option to me... granted I would want a healthy baby and not pass this on to them.. but the fact of the matter is neither of my parents have diabetes and no immediate member of my family does... so why did I get it and what would the chances be of a child of mine getting it if I ever was able to have one?! sorry just my opinion!! Angel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 1999 Report Share Posted June 16, 1999 If I eat starches like that my blood sugar goes through the roof. I eat low carb and I have no cravings at all anymore for sugar Meenie Re: Inspiring story > > >Thanks for the story , helps to remind me that it could be worse and >that this illness is managable. Even if it dosn't seem so at the moment. > >I found that if I don't have a substantial starch with each meal, I find >myself craving 'pure' sugar. And I mean a serious craving. So I would run >for a candy bar and still not be satisfied. But if I had a cup of pasta or >two slices of bread or something along those lines. 6 servings of starch a >day, I'm fine. I can follow my eating plan and not have cravings that run a >muck. > > >You live and learn. > > >Piper > >------------------------------------------------------------- > " I'd call a place pure paradise where friends are loyal and strangers are >nice, where the music is jazz and the season is fall. Promise me that or >nothing at all. " -- MAYA ANGELOU > > >mailto:chicnoir7@... > >http://macweb.macol.net/~Pipers-Page > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Make your voice heard! >http://www.onelist.com >Sign up for the ONElist Weekly Survey. Go to homepage for details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 1999 Report Share Posted June 16, 1999 I too am adopted. GGRRRRRRR I am glad to be in the job I hold where we can be sure and provide the best knowledge possible to our adoptive parents. I was born in 1960 and NOTHING was going to get to the new parents about the birth parents. I know quite a bit about the birth mother, by rummaging court " sealed " records, LOL but there is a lot of information I cannot get - and I do not want to know about those people. Regrettably, at that period of time, medical history was not even considered. a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 1999 Report Share Posted June 17, 1999 Angel - You are quite right. I did not have any immediate members in my family with diabetes when I was diagnosed (I think one of my great or great-great aunts did, but that's it). The other point to consider is that there are many, many disorders which are not hereditary. A good friend of mine has a 5 year old son who was born blind. He has no corneas. He has had 12 transplants to date, the first when he was less than a week old. This is not hereditary. So, if we were to all go by a's thinking, nobody should reproduce, or at least if they do, there should be extensive in-utero testing to make sure each person is perfect before birth. Just my opinion. in Cincinnati Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 1999 Report Share Posted June 17, 1999 It is amazing how things change as we evolve as a people. (I don't mean Darwin evolution, I mean intellectual evolution). I am sorry that you have this gap in your life, I am lucky that I know all of my immediate family. Unfortunately, knowing does not always mean circumventing a problem. Clinical depression is many times hereditary. I finally got treatment when I was in my early 30's. I knew most of my life that my great grandmother, grandmother and mother suffer from depression, also. However, that did not encourage me to go into treatment. It just made me hide the symptoms. in Cincinnati Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 1999 Report Share Posted June 17, 1999 Dear a, and other adoptees on the list, My husband and I just finished an adoption course and are doing the paperwork for adoption. Everything is so much more open. You get full files for you to read with the child later when he/she is able to understand. We are so excited about adopting. Two of our sons are in college and one is now a Junior in high school. -moderator P. S. I knew my family had a chance for diabetes, plus I had polio. I miscarried 2 babies (one was beaten out of me while teaching) but I still wanted children. So far they are all 3 healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 1999 Report Share Posted June 17, 1999 I agree with you Angel! I was diagnosed as type II when I was over 50 and there wasn't any history of diabetes in my family [i'm interested in genealogy and have traced many of my lines without finding any as well]. My sister who is 9 years older than I was diagnosed a few years later. My husband and I have one daughter who will be 30 in November, no signs of diabetes, bright, healthy and happy - much more energetic and physically fit then her Mom - she's into karate. We are proud of her and her accomplishments and glad that she was born. I think a lot of the people in the past may have died earlier before the disease appeared, or may not have been diagnosed. Even today they have lowered the bg reading of who they consider a diabetic. I've also noticed that much progress has been made on making the disease more bearable with newer monitors, thinner needles, and new medicines making easier control. Life is what you make it. Lets enjoy each day as it comes! I hope you have a child in your future and much joy - Pat At 07:45 PM 6/16/99 EDT, you wrote: >From: Angel24ls@... > >You know I wasn't going to put my two cents in but I will anyhow... I just >found out that I have type II diabetes... but I have been trying for the last >8 years to have a baby with no success... between donor insemination and >everything that is possible as an option to me... granted I would want a >healthy baby and not pass this on to them.. but the fact of the matter is >neither of my parents have diabetes and no immediate member of my family >does... so why did I get it and what would the chances be of a child of mine >getting it if I ever was able to have one?! sorry just my opinion!! >Angel > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Who is the most visited e-mail list community Web Service? >http://www.onelist.com >ONElist.com - where more than 20 million e-mails are exchanged each day! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 1999 Report Share Posted June 17, 1999 Hi a, Gee, if everyone felt like you do we wouldn't have anyone on this list! I too have no diabetes in my family. But most all people have some disease in their family. A disease can be a challenge and a pain but so can lots of things. My hubby is a bi-polar epileptic and I thank God his mother didn't think like you. He is highly intelligent, loving and caring, kind and witty. And he is my best friend. Yes, sometimes dealing with the diseases gets old but it is a small price to pay to have him in my life. We have a 10 year old girl and the potential for many diseases are there (diabetes runs in my husband's family). She already has alopecia areata, causes no hair, but she has learned to cope with it. You see, we are not only passing some of our disease to her but our good qualities, too. I'm sorry you have such a negative view of people with diseases. Who knows, one of those kids could be the one to come up with a cure! Jan > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:47:28 EDT > From: Pawprinter@... > Subject: Re: Inspiring story > > It is a personal opinion of mine that people with disease should not > reproduce. Now, this man's child may be adopted, certainly the comment does > not affirm or deny that this is his biological child. I just cannot > understand why that choice would be made. I did not learn of my diabetes > until I was well into my 30s. However, if I knew it during my child bearing > days, I would have sought alternative methods for a child. I wonder what > makes the human nature think the world needs another " me " ? > a J. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 1999 Report Share Posted June 17, 1999 I am new to this list as a friend of mine was just diagnosed with diabetes, but I feel that just because you have diabetes doensn't mean you should bring a beautiful new life into this world if that is what you want. I thank God everyday that my Dad didn't think he should not have kids just because diabetes runs in his family. I hope everyone understands my opinion and does what makes them happy. JB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 1999 Report Share Posted June 18, 1999 Type II and Type I are really quite different, and the genetics are quite different. A genetic counselor would be of help there altho you might be able to find some stats on the net. Being diabetic now would make your pregnancy more difficult, but not at all impossible. If you raise your child to eat well and keep his/her weight in control then their chance of developing type II will be greatly decreased. Good luck to you Meenie Re: Inspiring story >From: Angel24ls@... > >You know I wasn't going to put my two cents in but I will anyhow... I just >found out that I have type II diabetes... but I have been trying for the last >8 years to have a baby with no success... between donor insemination and >everything that is possible as an option to me... granted I would want a >healthy baby and not pass this on to them.. but the fact of the matter is >neither of my parents have diabetes and no immediate member of my family >does... so why did I get it and what would the chances be of a child of mine >getting it if I ever was able to have one?! sorry just my opinion!! >Angel > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Who is the most visited e-mail list community Web Service? >http://www.onelist.com >ONElist.com - where more than 20 million e-mails are exchanged each day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 1999 Report Share Posted June 18, 1999 Amen, Jan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 1999 Report Share Posted June 18, 1999 I agree with you , JB. I am glad that I am here, and I will not hesitate to have children when the time comes (IF it comes lol!) I may not agree with a, but she is as entitled to her opinion, as I am to mine. One of my favorite quotes is one from Jefferson -- " Sir, I heartily disagree with what you have said, however, I will defend to the death your right to say it. " in Cincinnati Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 1999 Report Share Posted June 18, 1999 Shei - As in any decision, only you can make the best decision for you. Although I disagree with a, maybe she knows she does not want to deal with the guilt any parent may feel about passing on a genetic disorder to a child. (a - no offense intended! I am not trying to speak for you.) in Cincinnati Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 1999 Report Share Posted June 18, 1999 In a message dated 6/18/99 9:26:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, armina@... writes: > Wow, Lynn - really Type I? Your pancreas no longer makes insulin at all? > Did the doctor know why that happened? They have no idea why it happened. Again, no family history, not overweight at all, 37 years old... I'm on 3-4 shots a day and trying to gain control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 1999 Report Share Posted June 18, 1999 Angel, Meenie reminded me of something. Have you had your thyroid checked? When I was a graduate student at KU, I had trouble walking up the hill " Mount Oread " to get to my classes - I would be panting, out of breath and ready to collapse when I got to the top. One of the school Drs. scheduled me for a basal metabolism test and found I had an underactive thyroid and put me on thyroid medication. In checking with my sister, I found she had an underactive thyroid that was much worse than mine. She was trying to get pregnant and both she and her husband were going through the same route that Angel is going through now. Later when my time came I had no trouble getting pregnant, but I remember my Dr. telling me that my medication was taking care of my thyroid - that if it wasn't, I wouldn't have been able to get pregnant. My sister and her husband ended up adopting their two children. I know it was a relief to her just to know that it was her underactive thyroid preventing her pregnancy. Neither my sister nor I were diagnosed with diabetes until we were over 50. Pat At 09:11 PM 6/17/99 -0400, you wrote: > > >Type II and Type I are really quite different, and the genetics are quite >different. A genetic counselor would be of help there altho you might be >able to find some stats on the net. >Being diabetic now would make your pregnancy more difficult, but not at all >impossible. >If you raise your child to eat well and keep his/her weight in control then >their chance of developing type II will be greatly decreased. >Good luck to you > Meenie > Re: Inspiring story > > >>From: Angel24ls@... >> >>You know I wasn't going to put my two cents in but I will anyhow... I just >>found out that I have type II diabetes... but I have been trying for the >last >>8 years to have a baby with no success... between donor insemination and >>everything that is possible as an option to me... granted I would want a >>healthy baby and not pass this on to them.. but the fact of the matter is >>neither of my parents have diabetes and no immediate member of my family >>does... so why did I get it and what would the chances be of a child of >mine >>getting it if I ever was able to have one?! sorry just my opinion!! >>Angel >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>Who is the most visited e-mail list community Web Service? >>http://www.onelist.com >>ONElist.com - where more than 20 million e-mails are exchanged each day! > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Last chance to earn $5000 for your charity of choice! >http://www.onelist.com >Deadline for " GROW TO GIVE " is June 19. See homepage for details. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 1999 Report Share Posted June 18, 1999 In a message dated 6/18/99 6:48:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, DeeBent@... writes: << (a - no offense intended! I am not trying to speak for you.) >> None taken thank you. Maybe it is the years of dog breeding, we do not strive for imperfection. I know bad things happen to good folks. I know things happen without reason or warning, but if you " KNOW " that is the other side. It is not like this thing is curable. And, candidly, this disease is nowhere near the worst of things that could happen to anyone. I will share that I married very late in life, age 38, and was already diabetic at that time. My husband and I chose not to have kids anyway, my diabetes, his mom's diabetes, which she died from several years ago, and our age. So, we enjoy the children of friends and family members. If I had met Mr. Right in college or something, I would have had kids, I love em a lot, and then I did not know this. I am a very fortunate woman, I have never been sick other than colds and childhood disease. I cannot even tell you the last time I had a flu bug. Dealing with diabetes has just become routine for me and I do not really think about it much. It does not hurt, it does not limit my actions, but it does not get cured either. a J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 1999 Report Share Posted June 18, 1999 Wow, Lynn - really Type I? Your pancreas no longer makes insulin at all? Did the doctor know why that happened? Meenie Re: Inspiring Story >From: Eggshells@... > >I've been reading this whole thread about whether to have children if you are >diabetic with much interest. I got gestational diabetes when I was pregnant, >and it went away after the birth of my son 11 months ago. Three months later >it came back as full blown type one diabetes. No one in my family has it, and >I certainly had no way of knowing that I would get it. I pray each day that >my son doesn't inherit this disease, but if he does we'll handle it. The >statistics are something like 16 million diabetics in the United States - >it's hardly an " in the closet " disease anymore. > >We probably won't have any more children, but it's more because of our age >and finances than it is because of the possiblity of giving them this >disease. Thank God for my son - on the days when I feel completely >overwhelmed by diabetes, he is my reason to live, to go on testing and >injecting and dealing and fighting, as best as I can. >Lynn > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >With more than 20 million e-mails exchanged daily... >http://www.onelist.com >...ONElist is home to the liveliest discussions on the Internet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 1999 Report Share Posted June 18, 1999 well said, though I believe the quote comes from Henry! >From: DeeBent@... > >I agree with you , JB. I am glad that I am here, and I will not hesitate to >have children when the time comes (IF it comes lol!) I may not agree with >a, but she is as entitled to her opinion, as I am to mine. One of my >favorite quotes is one from Jefferson -- " Sir, I heartily disagree >with what you have said, however, I will defend to the death your right to >say it. " > > in Cincinnati > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >ONElist: the best source for group communications. >http://www.onelist.com >Join a new list today! > > ****************************************************** The secret of success in life is for a man to be ready for his opportunity when it comes. -- Disraeli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 1999 Report Share Posted June 18, 1999 I'm sure this must be difficult to deal with for you. I'm type II and it was very difficult at first, it seems you have to turn your whole life upside down, doesn't it! But as time goes on you get better at it, it becomes a part of your life instead of an intrusion. Hang in there. You're in a good place here with lots of help and suggestions. Have you thought of trying a pump? I know a lot of folks who are thrilled with their pumps Meenie Re: Inspiring Story >From: Eggshells@... > >In a message dated 6/18/99 9:26:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >armina@... writes: > >> Wow, Lynn - really Type I? Your pancreas no longer makes insulin at all? >> Did the doctor know why that happened? > They have no idea why it happened. Again, no family history, not overweight >at all, 37 years old... I'm on 3-4 shots a day and trying to gain control. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Having difficulty getting " in synch " with list members? >http://www.onelist.com >Try ONElist's Shared Calendar to organize events, meetings and more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 1999 Report Share Posted June 19, 1999 Pat... yes I did have my thyroid checked... matter of fact that was one of the things they checked when they discovered that I have " borderline " diabetes... actually I have been tested for my thyroid everytime I go to the doctors as that was the first thing they figured was what was wrong with me... but it always came back either fine or " borderline " so they have never pursued it any further!! the only good news I have to report is that I have lost 12 lbs on my " diet " that the nutrionist has me on... I go back to see her on July 1st and see how she feels I am doing with all this and get retested... so hopefully all will be well... I'll keep ya all posted... take care... Angel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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