Re: Sex, Lies, and Hysterectomy

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its not the taking of myuterus that scares me.. or upsets me.. its the emotions involved in dealing with the side effects of drugs

Believe me, I understand totally. , what do they use instead of Versed???? Surely you're not suggestion ETHER???? LOL

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Whew ... where did you get that info from.

.. I had never heard any of that.. my friends that have had it basically say the same as you they feel liberated from their periods.. they still have ovaries that produce the hormones and if they need extra progesterone they get natural bio identical .. as for sex .. they say it is better than before.. ( and what is this about your vagina being shortened and displaced..???) these are things I never heard of... I did look into the alternative treatments..( myomectomy ) I would still basically have to have my uterus taken out.. of my abdomen via cutting abdomen.. they take it out and then cut out the fibroids and then restructure the uterus.. ( then to me there is always the possiblitiy of new fibroids ) so to me .. If I have to have it done anyway .. I dont see why I need my uterus if the ovaries are still intact and giving me hormones.. maybe I am wrong.......... What an article.. Ro

Re: Sex, Lies, and Hysterectomy

For the life of me, I cannot understand all this emotional trauma surrounding a hysterectomy. I was told that I would feel less like a woman, feel damaged, etc. It all sounded like hooey to me then and still does. Having a hysterectomy was the most liberating thing I ever did. I had no complications, no problems afterwards, and no regrets. And no emotional impact whatsoever. It was all a great big relief!!!

Sex, Lies and Secrecy: Dissecting Hysterectomy CBC's Nature of Thingsrepeat of program on Sunday, September 19, 2004 on CBC at 3pm and CBC's Newsworld at 5pmSex, Lies and Secrecy: Dissecting Hysterectomy is the shocking and untold story of women, 98% of whom undergo unnecessary and devastating surgery on their reproductive organs, often with life-long physical, emotional and sexual consequences. Today, three-quarters of a million hysterectomies are performed annually in North America. Close to 80% of these women are 'castrated' at the time of surgery - the removal of their ovaries robs them of a natural and healthy hormonal balance. After surgery, almost half of the women suffer from digestive problems, incontinence, loss of maternal feelings, depression, memory loss and absence of sexual drive or pleasure. Nevertheless, it is estimated that one out of every two women in North America will have had a hysterectomy by the age of 65. There are alternatives but not at a price most hospitals can afford. Five hospitals in Canada have surgical suites that can support a wide range of minimally invasive procedures. The rate of hysterectomies is five times greater in Newfoundland and the southern states in the U.S. than in the rest of North America. Sociologist Dr. Zelda Abramson visited Gander to meet the women and find out why. Participating in the documentary are internationally renowned scientists and physicians, including Toronto surgeon Dr. Nick Leyland who specializes in non-invasive alternatives, as well as the author of "Misinformed Consent" Lise Cloutier-Steele and her collaborator Anne Wyatt. To watch clips of Dr. Leyland, Chief of Obstetrics and Gynaecology at St. ph’s Health Centre in Toronto discussing less invasive alternatives to hysterectomy, and a group of Newfoundland women talk about a woman's right to accurate information, as does Dr. Bakhet, an Egyptian gynecologist who now lives and practices in Gander, Newfoundland, go tohttp://www.cbc.ca/natureofthings/show_hysterectomy.html___March Against Unwarranted, Unconsented, Unwanted Hysterectomieshttp://www.theprotestandtheplay.com/It is no secret that hysterectomy is one of the most-performed major surgeries in the country and is also one of the least necessary and most damaging. It is also no secret that there is widespread hysterectomy-related abuse by gynecologists and that the hospitals, legislators and other authorities who could rein in the maltreatment of women have failed to do so.On March 27, 2004 in Birmingham, Alabama HERS initiated a year-long protest which will be taken up by demonstrators in 51 cities throughout the United States. The protest will take place for a week in each city, beginning on Saturday and ending on Friday. This nationwide peaceful demonstration will culminate in Washington DC the week of March 12, 2005 in conjunction with a production of UN BECOMING, a play by Rick Schweikert, which deals with the complex issues surrounding hysterectomy. An estimated 76% of women who are hysterectomized are castrated at the same time. The removed uterus and ovaries, however, are commonly found to be perfectly normal. What is worse, some women have never consented to the removal of any of these organs. And according to the HERS Foundation Data Bank, 99.7% percent of women in an ongoing study were given little or no prior information about the acknowledged adverse effects of hysterectomy - information that is a legal requisite of consent.Nora W. Coffey, HERS president makes the point that doctors often frighten women into consenting and give them false and misleading information."When a doctor tells a woman who manifests no sign of disease or illness that she will be protected against cancer by castration, he is using a common scare tactic. And when a doctor tells an intact woman that after a hysterectomy she will still be 'the same as before - only better' that is false and misleading. Demonstrably so."The conspiracy of silence regarding these and other offenses that place women in harm's way will be peeled away as abusive doctors and the hospital staffs and executives who shield them meet demonstrators on American streets everywhere protesting this unacceptable treatment of women.Join the Protest (https://ssl31.pair.com/hersfnd/jointheprotest.php)Information about the play (unbecomingplay.com)Hysterectomy alternatives and consequences (hersfoundation.com)888.750.HERS hersfdn@...___Too Many Women Getting Hysterectomies When Less Invasive Methods ExistFrom the Ontario Women's Health CouncilA new report called Achieving Best Practice in the Use of Hysterectomy, prepared by the Ontario Women's Health Council says that women living in Ontario and elsewhere in Canada are having hysterectomies too frequently as a first line of treatment for benign uterine conditions. Less invasive procedures exist to treat these non-life-threatening conditions, which include abnormal uterine bleeding, fibroids, endometriosis, and pelvic pain; however, hysterectomy remains the most common procedure utilized for the management of these conditions. In fact, hysterectomy is one of the most common surgical procedures performed on women in this country, and 22% of Canadian women age 35 and older (1.8 million women) have had one. The majority of Canada's hysterectomies are performed for discretionary reasons, to improve a woman's quality of life rather than to save her life. Canada's hysterectomy rates are double those of Britain, Sweden, the Netherlands and Norway.In its report, the Council found that the rates of hysterectomy performed for discretionary reasons vary dramatically across the province. Dr. Donna , Chair of the Expert Panel that produced the report and a member of the Ontario Women's Health Council explains, "Hysterectomy rates are more than twice as high in northern and rural Ontario as in southern Ontario metropolitan centres which have teaching hospitals. In part, this is because doctors in non-urban centres have less opportunity to learn the new, less invasive methods or access the required equipment. In addition, the physician shortage in rural and Northern Ontario means that women have to travel long distances to obtain medical care and endure long waits for follow up appointments. In such circumstances, women may consider hysterectomy the only acceptable option. This leads to questions about whether all Ontario hysterectomies are appropriate."The newer, less invasive methods to treat uterine problems include medical treatments, ablation therapies, myomectomy and embolization.The Council's report notes that it is desirable in most cases of hysterectomy performed for discretionary reasons to remove only the uterus and leave the healthy ovaries intact. However, 72% of hysterectomies in Ontario are total - removal of uterus and cervix - with or without removal of the ovaries. Hysterectomy can be performed via the abdomen or vagina; vaginal hysterectomies are usually preferred because they are associated with a lower risk of complications following surgery, and a faster recovery time. However, in Ontario, vaginal hysterectomies performed for discretionary reasons are half as common as abdominal hysterectomies.The Ontario Women's Health Council report on hysterectomy best practices recommends improved patient education about hysterectomy, enhanced training of health providers, better medical and surgical management of benign uterine conditions and research into additional new and better ways to treat these health problems.Dr. Donna explains, "Women need to be better informed about their health problems so that they can ask questions about procedures and treatment options. Whatever the health problem, women should ask questions, read widely about their condition, and discuss possible options with their health providers. Women that we spoke to in the course of our research for this report told us quite clearly that they wanted more information and to be involved in the decision-making process about their own health."Dr. A. Leyland, Head of Gynaecology at Mount Sinai Hospital, Toronto, and one of the report's authors, concludes, "Hysterectomy is a necessary procedure for many women and in certain cases a patient may be advised that it is the recommended course of action. However, a patient should learn about all the potential options for treating a particular condition and together with her doctor determine if another solution may exist."The Ontario Women's Health Council has 15 members from a variety of sectors, appointed by the Minister of Health and Long-Term Care. For more information, visit the Council's web site at http://www.womenshealthcouncil.on.ca <http://www.womenshealthcouncil.on.ca/> Source: http://www.cwhn.ca/resources/afi/hysterectomy.html____Hysterectomy Alternatives and Aftereffects (HERS)HERS is the only independent, international organization dedicated to the issue of hysterectomy and advocates for fully informed medical choices by women.It provides full, accurate information about hysterectomy, its adverse effects and alternative treatmentsFacts about HyterectomyFACT: Women experience a loss of physical sexual sensation as a result of hysterectomy.FACT: A woman's vagina is shortened, scarred and dislocated by hysterectomy. FACT: Hysterectomy's damage is life-long. Among its most common consequences, in addition to operative injuries are: heart disease osteoporosis bone, joint and muscle pain and immobility loss of sexual desire, arousal, sensation painful intercourse, vaginal damage displacement of bladder, bowel, and other pelvic organs urinary tract infections, frequency, incontinence chronic constipation and digestive disorders profound fatigue chronic exhaustion altered body odor loss of short-term memory blunting of emotions, personality changes, despondency, irritability, anger, reclusiveness and suicidal thinking FACT: No drugs or other treatments can replace ovarian or uterine hormones or functions. The loss is permanent. FACT: The medical term for the removal of the ovaries is castration. Most women are castrated at hysterectomy.FACT: The uterus and ovaries function throughout life in women who have not been hysterectomized or castrated. FACT: Twice as many women in their 20's and 30's are hysterectomized as women in their 50's and 60's.FACT: 98% of women HERS has referred to board-certified gynecologists after being told they needed hysterectomies, discovered that, in fact, they did not need hysterectomies.FACT: Gynecologists, hospitals and drug companies make more than 8 billion dollars a year from the business of hysterectomy and castration. Source: http://www.hersfoundation.com/facts.html...Hysterectomy: Adverse Effects Datahttp://www.hersfoundation.com/effects.htmlContact HERS:HERS Foundation422 Bryn Mawr AvenueBala Cynwyd, PA 19004Phone: ( 610 ) 667-7757 Toll Free: ( 888 ) 750-HERS or ( 888 ) 750-4377Fax: ( 610 ) 667-8096Email: hersfdn@...Please use the form at (http://www.hersfoundation.com/contact.html) or call us to request a Free packet of information or to arrange a telephone appointment to speak with a counselor.___In Canada, hysterectomy is the most frequently performed major surgical procedure in gynecology.1 However, the number of hysterectomies has decreased since the 1980s. From 1998 to 1999, 462 hysterectomies were performed in Canada per 100,000 women age 20 or older.1 More than three-fourths of all women who have a hysterectomy are between the ages of 20 and 49. - BC Health Guide: http://www.bchealthguide.org/kbase/topic/special/hw212587/sec1.htm___A hysterectomy is major operation to remove a woman’s uterus. It is carried out to treat various problems associated with periods, pelvic pain, tumours and other related conditions. The problem you are experiencing will determine what type of operation is required and whether the fallopian tubes, ovaries, and cervix will also be removed. Before you decide what to do, it is important that you understand why your doctor has suggested this surgery and what your options are. If you are still having your periods, a hysterectomy will stop them and you will no longer be able to get pregnant. Since this is a major operation, your doctor may suggest other medical treatments that should be tried first. You may also decide not to go ahead with the operation and live with the problem, but sometimes, there is no alternative. Some conditions which have no alternatives might include cancer, unbearable pain and bleeding.- The Society of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists of Canada

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glitter.. ps... I dont have emotional trauma about getting a hysterectomy.. I am scared of the drug reactions ( because I react so sensitivly and what happened and the damage from paxil .. also the dizziness and laying flat on the table and how that will effet me.. ) its not the taking of myuterus that scares me.. or upsets me.. its the emotions involved in dealing with the side effects of drugs.. thanks Ro

Re: Sex, Lies, and Hysterectomy

For the life of me, I cannot understand all this emotional trauma surrounding a hysterectomy. I was told that I would feel less like a woman, feel damaged, etc. It all sounded like hooey to me then and still does. Having a hysterectomy was the most liberating thing I ever did. I had no complications, no problems afterwards, and no regrets. And no emotional impact whatsoever. It was all a great big relief!!!

Sex, Lies and Secrecy: Dissecting Hysterectomy CBC's Nature of Thingsrepeat of program on Sunday, September 19, 2004 on CBC at 3pm and CBC's Newsworld at 5pmSex, Lies and Secrecy: Dissecting Hysterectomy is the shocking and untold story of women, 98% of whom undergo unnecessary and devastating surgery on their reproductive organs, often with life-long physical, emotional and sexual consequences. Today, three-quarters of a million hysterectomies are performed annually in North America. Close to 80% of these women are 'castrated' at the time of surgery - the removal of their ovaries robs them of a natural and healthy hormonal balance. After surgery, almost half of the women suffer from digestive problems, incontinence, loss of maternal feelings, depression, memory loss and absence of sexual drive or pleasure. Nevertheless, it is estimated that one out of every two women in North America will have had a hysterectomy by the age of 65. There are alternatives but not at a price most hospitals can afford. Five hospitals in Canada have surgical suites that can support a wide range of minimally invasive procedures. The rate of hysterectomies is five times greater in Newfoundland and the southern states in the U.S. than in the rest of North America. Sociologist Dr. Zelda Abramson visited Gander to meet the women and find out why. Participating in the documentary are internationally renowned scientists and physicians, including Toronto surgeon Dr. Nick Leyland who specializes in non-invasive alternatives, as well as the author of "Misinformed Consent" Lise Cloutier-Steele and her collaborator Anne Wyatt. To watch clips of Dr. Leyland, Chief of Obstetrics and Gynaecology at St. ph’s Health Centre in Toronto discussing less invasive alternatives to hysterectomy, and a group of Newfoundland women talk about a woman's right to accurate information, as does Dr. Bakhet, an Egyptian gynecologist who now lives and practices in Gander, Newfoundland, go tohttp://www.cbc.ca/natureofthings/show_hysterectomy.html___March Against Unwarranted, Unconsented, Unwanted Hysterectomieshttp://www.theprotestandtheplay.com/It is no secret that hysterectomy is one of the most-performed major surgeries in the country and is also one of the least necessary and most damaging. It is also no secret that there is widespread hysterectomy-related abuse by gynecologists and that the hospitals, legislators and other authorities who could rein in the maltreatment of women have failed to do so.On March 27, 2004 in Birmingham, Alabama HERS initiated a year-long protest which will be taken up by demonstrators in 51 cities throughout the United States. The protest will take place for a week in each city, beginning on Saturday and ending on Friday. This nationwide peaceful demonstration will culminate in Washington DC the week of March 12, 2005 in conjunction with a production of UN BECOMING, a play by Rick Schweikert, which deals with the complex issues surrounding hysterectomy. An estimated 76% of women who are hysterectomized are castrated at the same time. The removed uterus and ovaries, however, are commonly found to be perfectly normal. What is worse, some women have never consented to the removal of any of these organs. And according to the HERS Foundation Data Bank, 99.7% percent of women in an ongoing study were given little or no prior information about the acknowledged adverse effects of hysterectomy - information that is a legal requisite of consent.Nora W. Coffey, HERS president makes the point that doctors often frighten women into consenting and give them false and misleading information."When a doctor tells a woman who manifests no sign of disease or illness that she will be protected against cancer by castration, he is using a common scare tactic. And when a doctor tells an intact woman that after a hysterectomy she will still be 'the same as before - only better' that is false and misleading. Demonstrably so."The conspiracy of silence regarding these and other offenses that place women in harm's way will be peeled away as abusive doctors and the hospital staffs and executives who shield them meet demonstrators on American streets everywhere protesting this unacceptable treatment of women.Join the Protest (https://ssl31.pair.com/hersfnd/jointheprotest.php)Information about the play (unbecomingplay.com)Hysterectomy alternatives and consequences (hersfoundation.com)888.750.HERS hersfdn@...___Too Many Women Getting Hysterectomies When Less Invasive Methods ExistFrom the Ontario Women's Health CouncilA new report called Achieving Best Practice in the Use of Hysterectomy, prepared by the Ontario Women's Health Council says that women living in Ontario and elsewhere in Canada are having hysterectomies too frequently as a first line of treatment for benign uterine conditions. Less invasive procedures exist to treat these non-life-threatening conditions, which include abnormal uterine bleeding, fibroids, endometriosis, and pelvic pain; however, hysterectomy remains the most common procedure utilized for the management of these conditions. In fact, hysterectomy is one of the most common surgical procedures performed on women in this country, and 22% of Canadian women age 35 and older (1.8 million women) have had one. The majority of Canada's hysterectomies are performed for discretionary reasons, to improve a woman's quality of life rather than to save her life. Canada's hysterectomy rates are double those of Britain, Sweden, the Netherlands and Norway.In its report, the Council found that the rates of hysterectomy performed for discretionary reasons vary dramatically across the province. Dr. Donna , Chair of the Expert Panel that produced the report and a member of the Ontario Women's Health Council explains, "Hysterectomy rates are more than twice as high in northern and rural Ontario as in southern Ontario metropolitan centres which have teaching hospitals. In part, this is because doctors in non-urban centres have less opportunity to learn the new, less invasive methods or access the required equipment. In addition, the physician shortage in rural and Northern Ontario means that women have to travel long distances to obtain medical care and endure long waits for follow up appointments. In such circumstances, women may consider hysterectomy the only acceptable option. This leads to questions about whether all Ontario hysterectomies are appropriate."The newer, less invasive methods to treat uterine problems include medical treatments, ablation therapies, myomectomy and embolization.The Council's report notes that it is desirable in most cases of hysterectomy performed for discretionary reasons to remove only the uterus and leave the healthy ovaries intact. However, 72% of hysterectomies in Ontario are total - removal of uterus and cervix - with or without removal of the ovaries. Hysterectomy can be performed via the abdomen or vagina; vaginal hysterectomies are usually preferred because they are associated with a lower risk of complications following surgery, and a faster recovery time. However, in Ontario, vaginal hysterectomies performed for discretionary reasons are half as common as abdominal hysterectomies.The Ontario Women's Health Council report on hysterectomy best practices recommends improved patient education about hysterectomy, enhanced training of health providers, better medical and surgical management of benign uterine conditions and research into additional new and better ways to treat these health problems.Dr. Donna explains, "Women need to be better informed about their health problems so that they can ask questions about procedures and treatment options. Whatever the health problem, women should ask questions, read widely about their condition, and discuss possible options with their health providers. Women that we spoke to in the course of our research for this report told us quite clearly that they wanted more information and to be involved in the decision-making process about their own health."Dr. A. Leyland, Head of Gynaecology at Mount Sinai Hospital, Toronto, and one of the report's authors, concludes, "Hysterectomy is a necessary procedure for many women and in certain cases a patient may be advised that it is the recommended course of action. However, a patient should learn about all the potential options for treating a particular condition and together with her doctor determine if another solution may exist."The Ontario Women's Health Council has 15 members from a variety of sectors, appointed by the Minister of Health and Long-Term Care. For more information, visit the Council's web site at http://www.womenshealthcouncil.on.ca <http://www.womenshealthcouncil.on.ca/> Source: http://www.cwhn.ca/resources/afi/hysterectomy.html____Hysterectomy Alternatives and Aftereffects (HERS)HERS is the only independent, international organization dedicated to the issue of hysterectomy and advocates for fully informed medical choices by women.It provides full, accurate information about hysterectomy, its adverse effects and alternative treatmentsFacts about HyterectomyFACT: Women experience a loss of physical sexual sensation as a result of hysterectomy.FACT: A woman's vagina is shortened, scarred and dislocated by hysterectomy. FACT: Hysterectomy's damage is life-long. Among its most common consequences, in addition to operative injuries are: heart disease osteoporosis bone, joint and muscle pain and immobility loss of sexual desire, arousal, sensation painful intercourse, vaginal damage displacement of bladder, bowel, and other pelvic organs urinary tract infections, frequency, incontinence chronic constipation and digestive disorders profound fatigue chronic exhaustion altered body odor loss of short-term memory blunting of emotions, personality changes, despondency, irritability, anger, reclusiveness and suicidal thinking FACT: No drugs or other treatments can replace ovarian or uterine hormones or functions. The loss is permanent. FACT: The medical term for the removal of the ovaries is castration. Most women are castrated at hysterectomy.FACT: The uterus and ovaries function throughout life in women who have not been hysterectomized or castrated. FACT: Twice as many women in their 20's and 30's are hysterectomized as women in their 50's and 60's.FACT: 98% of women HERS has referred to board-certified gynecologists after being told they needed hysterectomies, discovered that, in fact, they did not need hysterectomies.FACT: Gynecologists, hospitals and drug companies make more than 8 billion dollars a year from the business of hysterectomy and castration. Source: http://www.hersfoundation.com/facts.html...Hysterectomy: Adverse Effects Datahttp://www.hersfoundation.com/effects.htmlContact HERS:HERS Foundation422 Bryn Mawr AvenueBala Cynwyd, PA 19004Phone: ( 610 ) 667-7757 Toll Free: ( 888 ) 750-HERS or ( 888 ) 750-4377Fax: ( 610 ) 667-8096Email: hersfdn@...Please use the form at (http://www.hersfoundation.com/contact.html) or call us to request a Free packet of information or to arrange a telephone appointment to speak with a counselor.___In Canada, hysterectomy is the most frequently performed major surgical procedure in gynecology.1 However, the number of hysterectomies has decreased since the 1980s. From 1998 to 1999, 462 hysterectomies were performed in Canada per 100,000 women age 20 or older.1 More than three-fourths of all women who have a hysterectomy are between the ages of 20 and 49. - BC Health Guide: http://www.bchealthguide.org/kbase/topic/special/hw212587/sec1.htm___A hysterectomy is major operation to remove a woman’s uterus. It is carried out to treat various problems associated with periods, pelvic pain, tumours and other related conditions. The problem you are experiencing will determine what type of operation is required and whether the fallopian tubes, ovaries, and cervix will also be removed. Before you decide what to do, it is important that you understand why your doctor has suggested this surgery and what your options are. If you are still having your periods, a hysterectomy will stop them and you will no longer be able to get pregnant. Since this is a major operation, your doctor may suggest other medical treatments that should be tried first. You may also decide not to go ahead with the operation and live with the problem, but sometimes, there is no alternative. Some conditions which have no alternatives might include cancer, unbearable pain and bleeding.- The Society of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists of Canada

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Whew ... where did you get that info from.

Someone sent it to me. I only posted it because maybe those things DO happen to some people, but my basic belief is that if you are not going to have children, you don't need a uterus. They left my ovaries, too. I went through menopause early, I think, but I never had one single problem after the operation itself. It was such a relief to not have a period that it never occurred to me to be anything other than OVERJOYED at the liberation!!!!!!.

"Blind Reason"

a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue

Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's

Unsafe At Any Dose