Not welcome at the public library

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Jennie...

Seriously... I can sit on a LOT of stuff...but that would be something I

would HAVE to do something about!!

Write a letter to your local paper or opinion section???

Inform all the local groups like DS groups, ADD groups, Aspergers groups???

Write a letter to the library and carbon copy it to the city (assuming its a

city library, etc), shoot, even the MAYOR!!

that is unacceptable!!

~~ANGEL~~

mom to , 13, MDS/HD

Lance 18, Ty 14, 12

Jaeda 10 & Shayne 4

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Today was the last straw. I have repeatedly been given a hostile and

uninviting welcome from the library staff at our local public library

because is loud, rowdy, vocal, etc. You know, a typical

child with " quirks " if you will. He's not running. he's not pulling

books off shelves. he's not climbing furniture, overturning chairs,

throwing things, being mean to other children. He's just vocally

loud. He's got Asperger's and ADHD and ??? I do the best I can.

I've rehearsed and rote response for every time a librarian has

approached me: " I'm sorry. My child has special needs. I do the

best I can. " And I do.

But the library has hired a security gaurd to pace the children's

floor and shush the rowdy children and scold the wayward parents.

I've got a rowdy child. It appears as though he's naughty and I'm

wayward. I understand that. I'm not stupid. But today was the straw

that broke the camels' back. I was asked to leave. I was not given

the opportunity to check out the items we intended to borrow. I was

not given the chance to explain. The big bad hugely tall security

gaurd said, " ma'am, you're going to have to leave. "

So I did.

And I'm NEVER going back.

EVER.

Why do people with " normal " kids think parents with quriky kids are

just " bad parents? " Why the assumption?

My husband called the library to inform them of our situation. They

said, they don't have a plan to accommodate special needs children.

Well. They better get one, now shouldn't they? Because special

needs children aren't going to disappear and their parents aren't

going to go silently into the night.

I encourage you to take your child out in public places, despite the

public ignorance you may face. Our kids are humans too, with

rights. And as parents of these children, we have rights too. And

never in my wildest dreams did I expect to be an upstanding citizen,

who has never even had a traffic violation or an overdue book, to be

asked to leave the public library. There are no words...

Jennie

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Jennie

That is outrageous! The children's section of the library shouldn't even be

considered a " quiet zone " ! If I were you, I would write a letter to my local

paper explaining in detail the event and " suggest " that a different policy be in

place for the Children's section of the library.

I would also let the editor of the paper know that as a parent, you are trying

to teach your son the love of books and if your son is not " allowed " in the

library then he will only be taught to hate books and all the people involved!

I am so sorry you went through that! I do hope you take action and if you do,

let us know!

Kristy

Jennie wrote:

Today was the last straw. I have repeatedly been given a hostile and

uninviting welcome from the library staff at our local public library

because is loud, rowdy, vocal, etc. You know, a typical

child with " quirks " if you will. He's not running. he's not pulling

books off shelves. he's not climbing furniture, overturning chairs,

throwing things, being mean to other children. He's just vocally

loud. He's got Asperger's and ADHD and ??? I do the best I can.

I've rehearsed and rote response for every time a librarian has

approached me: " I'm sorry. My child has special needs. I do the

best I can. " And I do.

But the library has hired a security gaurd to pace the children's

floor and shush the rowdy children and scold the wayward parents.

I've got a rowdy child. It appears as though he's naughty and I'm

wayward. I understand that. I'm not stupid. But today was the straw

that broke the camels' back. I was asked to leave. I was not given

the opportunity to check out the items we intended to borrow. I was

not given the chance to explain. The big bad hugely tall security

gaurd said, " ma'am, you're going to have to leave. "

So I did.

And I'm NEVER going back.

EVER.

Why do people with " normal " kids think parents with quriky kids are

just " bad parents? " Why the assumption?

My husband called the library to inform them of our situation. They

said, they don't have a plan to accommodate special needs children.

Well. They better get one, now shouldn't they? Because special

needs children aren't going to disappear and their parents aren't

going to go silently into the night.

I encourage you to take your child out in public places, despite the

public ignorance you may face. Our kids are humans too, with

rights. And as parents of these children, we have rights too. And

never in my wildest dreams did I expect to be an upstanding citizen,

who has never even had a traffic violation or an overdue book, to be

asked to leave the public library. There are no words...

Jennie

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Wow! Can they do that if you tell them your son is " handicapped " . That seems to

be the magic word.

They are operating under the " state " and city or county municipalities. I did

not think they could do that.

I do understand the need for quietness and perhaps they should have offered you

a special room or designated area.

You can always file a complaint with the county commissioner. I am not sure who

else.

In the meantime, you may have to continue to correct your child (I know it is a

pain, but that seems to be never-ending as a parent.)If going to the library is

really important to you, then you may have to get a sitter until the situation

is resolved.

If it were a private business, then I guess they have the right to make you

leave. But a library is a public place and I believe they have to obey by the

laws, which give people with handicaps certain rights. You do not have to tell

then what the handicap is; all you have to say is that your son is disabled and

handicapped.

To: MosaicDS@...: smithjennie@...: Fri, 1 Dec 2006

00:40:11 +0000Subject: Not welcome at the public library

Today was the last straw. I have repeatedly been given a hostile and uninviting

welcome from the library staff at our local public library because is

loud, rowdy, vocal, etc. You know, a typical child with " quirks " if you will.

He's not running. he's not pulling books off shelves. he's not climbing

furniture, overturning chairs, throwing things, being mean to other children.

He's just vocally loud. He's got Asperger's and ADHD and ??? I do the best I

can. I've rehearsed and rote response for every time a librarian has approached

me: " I'm sorry. My child has special needs. I do the best I can. " And I do. But

the library has hired a security gaurd to pace the children's floor and shush

the rowdy children and scold the wayward parents. I've got a rowdy child. It

appears as though he's naughty and I'm wayward. I understand that. I'm not

stupid. But today was the straw that broke the camels' back. I was asked to

leave. I was not given the opportunity to check out the items we intended to

borrow. I was not given the chance to explain. The big bad hugely tall security

gaurd said, " ma'am, you're going to have to leave. " So I did.And I'm NEVER going

back.EVER.Why do people with " normal " kids think parents with quriky kids are

just " bad parents? " Why the assumption?My husband called the library to inform

them of our situation. They said, they don't have a plan to accommodate special

needs children.Well. They better get one, now shouldn't they? Because special

needs children aren't going to disappear and their parents aren't going to go

silently into the night.I encourage you to take your child out in public places,

despite the public ignorance you may face. Our kids are humans too, with rights.

And as parents of these children, we have rights too. And never in my wildest

dreams did I expect to be an upstanding citizen, who has never even had a

traffic violation or an overdue book, to be asked to leave the public library.

There are no words...Jennie

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I understand what you mean. My seven year old nephew has Tourette

Syndrome. My wife and I babysit him sometimes.

He loves comic books so I took him to the bookstore one weekend.

People were glaring at us for his " bad " behaviour. I remember the

employees telling me to make him be quiet. I also was threatened to be

kicked out. There was one lady who didn't quite understand his special

needs. She asked me if I was his father and if I could pass onto my

son being retarded! I said " No, he's not retarded. He just has a tic

disorder " . Then she had the nerve to tell me " Oh, I thought you were

his father because you look mentally retarded "

I almost told her " I'd rather be retarded than ignorant like you "

(Note that I never call people retarded, I simply just say it in a way

this poor lady will understand)

I wish your family luck and I certainly hope people will smarten up.

Aron.

>

> Today was the last straw. I have repeatedly been given a hostile and

> uninviting welcome from the library staff at our local public library

> because is loud, rowdy, vocal, etc. You know, a typical

> child with " quirks " if you will. He's not running. he's not pulling

> books off shelves. he's not climbing furniture, overturning chairs,

> throwing things, being mean to other children. He's just vocally

> loud. He's got Asperger's and ADHD and ??? I do the best I can.

> I've rehearsed and rote response for every time a librarian has

> approached me: " I'm sorry. My child has special needs. I do the

> best I can. " And I do.

>

> But the library has hired a security gaurd to pace the children's

> floor and shush the rowdy children and scold the wayward parents.

> I've got a rowdy child. It appears as though he's naughty and I'm

> wayward. I understand that. I'm not stupid. But today was the straw

> that broke the camels' back. I was asked to leave. I was not given

> the opportunity to check out the items we intended to borrow. I was

> not given the chance to explain. The big bad hugely tall security

> gaurd said, " ma'am, you're going to have to leave. "

>

> So I did.

>

> And I'm NEVER going back.

>

> EVER.

>

> Why do people with " normal " kids think parents with quriky kids are

> just " bad parents? " Why the assumption?

>

> My husband called the library to inform them of our situation. They

> said, they don't have a plan to accommodate special needs children.

>

> Well. They better get one, now shouldn't they? Because special

> needs children aren't going to disappear and their parents aren't

> going to go silently into the night.

>

> I encourage you to take your child out in public places, despite the

> public ignorance you may face. Our kids are humans too, with

> rights. And as parents of these children, we have rights too. And

> never in my wildest dreams did I expect to be an upstanding citizen,

> who has never even had a traffic violation or an overdue book, to be

> asked to leave the public library. There are no words...

> Jennie

>

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Aron

That is so amazingly horrible that that woman would actually say that right to

your face! HOW RUDE CAN YOU GET!!!!!!!!!!!

I am just shaking my head not believing how ignorant and RUDE a person could

be!

Well...you all can mark this on your calendars....I AM SPEECHLESS!

Kristy

Aron Wozniak wrote:

I understand what you mean. My seven year old nephew has Tourette

Syndrome. My wife and I babysit him sometimes.

He loves comic books so I took him to the bookstore one weekend.

People were glaring at us for his " bad " behaviour. I remember the

employees telling me to make him be quiet. I also was threatened to be

kicked out. There was one lady who didn't quite understand his special

needs. She asked me if I was his father and if I could pass onto my

son being retarded! I said " No, he's not retarded. He just has a tic

disorder " . Then she had the nerve to tell me " Oh, I thought you were

his father because you look mentally retarded "

I almost told her " I'd rather be retarded than ignorant like you "

(Note that I never call people retarded, I simply just say it in a way

this poor lady will understand)

I wish your family luck and I certainly hope people will smarten up.

Aron.

>

> Today was the last straw. I have repeatedly been given a hostile and

> uninviting welcome from the library staff at our local public library

> because is loud, rowdy, vocal, etc. You know, a typical

> child with " quirks " if you will. He's not running. he's not pulling

> books off shelves. he's not climbing furniture, overturning chairs,

> throwing things, being mean to other children. He's just vocally

> loud. He's got Asperger's and ADHD and ??? I do the best I can.

> I've rehearsed and rote response for every time a librarian has

> approached me: " I'm sorry. My child has special needs. I do the

> best I can. " And I do.

>

> But the library has hired a security gaurd to pace the children's

> floor and shush the rowdy children and scold the wayward parents.

> I've got a rowdy child. It appears as though he's naughty and I'm

> wayward. I understand that. I'm not stupid. But today was the straw

> that broke the camels' back. I was asked to leave. I was not given

> the opportunity to check out the items we intended to borrow. I was

> not given the chance to explain. The big bad hugely tall security

> gaurd said, " ma'am, you're going to have to leave. "

>

> So I did.

>

> And I'm NEVER going back.

>

> EVER.

>

> Why do people with " normal " kids think parents with quriky kids are

> just " bad parents? " Why the assumption?

>

> My husband called the library to inform them of our situation. They

> said, they don't have a plan to accommodate special needs children.

>

> Well. They better get one, now shouldn't they? Because special

> needs children aren't going to disappear and their parents aren't

> going to go silently into the night.

>

> I encourage you to take your child out in public places, despite the

> public ignorance you may face. Our kids are humans too, with

> rights. And as parents of these children, we have rights too. And

> never in my wildest dreams did I expect to be an upstanding citizen,

> who has never even had a traffic violation or an overdue book, to be

> asked to leave the public library. There are no words...

> Jennie

>

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OMG! Aron, I would have said something to her. (Butthen again I am outspoken

and blunt.) I cannot believe she had the nerve to say something like that to

anyone. Maybe you should have said, " What does a mentally retarded person look

like because I thought the same of you <indicating her>? "

Our attorney said something similar about my son. he said, " well, it is obvious

to me that he has Down Syndrome. " When I told him we all did and the features

change with age, he did not flinch. It is a basic stereotype. But actually, my

son has the least of the physical characteristics. I then showed the attorney

the doctor's report. He changed the subject then.

To: MosaicDS@...: arcticwolf09@...: Fri, 1 Dec 2006

01:20:53 +0000Subject: Re: Not welcome at the public library

I understand what you mean. My seven year old nephew has TouretteSyndrome. My

wife and I babysit him sometimes. He loves comic books so I took him to the

bookstore one weekend.People were glaring at us for his " bad " behaviour. I

remember theemployees telling me to make him be quiet. I also was threatened to

bekicked out. There was one lady who didn't quite understand his specialneeds.

She asked me if I was his father and if I could pass onto myson being retarded!

I said " No, he's not retarded. He just has a ticdisorder " . Then she had the

nerve to tell me " Oh, I thought you werehis father because you look mentally

retarded " I almost told her " I'd rather be retarded than ignorant like you " (Note

that I never call people retarded, I simply just say it in a waythis poor lady

will understand) I wish your family luck and I certainly hope people will

smarten up.Aron.>> Today was the last straw. I have repeatedly been

given a hostile and > uninviting welcome from the library staff at our local

public library > because is loud, rowdy, vocal, etc. You know, a typical

> child with " quirks " if you will. He's not running. he's not pulling > books

off shelves. he's not climbing furniture, overturning chairs, > throwing things,

being mean to other children. He's just vocally > loud. He's got Asperger's and

ADHD and ??? I do the best I can. > I've rehearsed and rote response for every

time a librarian has > approached me: " I'm sorry. My child has special needs. I

do the > best I can. " And I do. > > But the library has hired a security gaurd

to pace the children's > floor and shush the rowdy children and scold the

wayward parents. > I've got a rowdy child. It appears as though he's naughty and

I'm > wayward. I understand that. I'm not stupid. But today was the straw > that

broke the camels' back. I was asked to leave. I was not given > the opportunity

to check out the items we intended to borrow. I was > not given the chance to

explain. The big bad hugely tall security > gaurd said, " ma'am, you're going to

have to leave. " > > So I did.> > And I'm NEVER going back.> > EVER.> > Why do

people with " normal " kids think parents with quriky kids are > just " bad

parents? " Why the assumption?> > My husband called the library to inform them of

our situation. They > said, they don't have a plan to accommodate special needs

children.> > Well. They better get one, now shouldn't they? Because special >

needs children aren't going to disappear and their parents aren't > going to go

silently into the night.> > I encourage you to take your child out in public

places, despite the > public ignorance you may face. Our kids are humans too,

with > rights. And as parents of these children, we have rights too. And > never

in my wildest dreams did I expect to be an upstanding citizen, > who has never

even had a traffic violation or an overdue book, to be > asked to leave the

public library. There are no words...> Jennie>

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I have met quite a few people who have said ignorant things to me.

That woman was the worst.

I wanted to say something but I was just too angry to think strait.

Other things I remember off the top of my head...a few years back I

was talking to woman (which I don't remember how i knew her). I told

her I had Down Syndrome. She looked at me surprised and said " But your

not fat! "

When my wife and I went to her office's Christmas party last year, one

woman said to her " You're a smart woman, why would you want to be with

someone like him? " She told her " He's sweet, thoughtful, interesting,

charming and funny - and doesn't ask rude questions like that. "

There I go again, babbling on...

Aron.

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Kudo's to your wife Aron! That was a good come back for her!

Kristy

Aron Wozniak wrote:

I have met quite a few people who have said ignorant things to me.

That woman was the worst.

I wanted to say something but I was just too angry to think strait.

Other things I remember off the top of my head...a few years back I

was talking to woman (which I don't remember how i knew her). I told

her I had Down Syndrome. She looked at me surprised and said " But your

not fat! "

When my wife and I went to her office's Christmas party last year, one

woman said to her " You're a smart woman, why would you want to be with

someone like him? " She told her " He's sweet, thoughtful, interesting,

charming and funny - and doesn't ask rude questions like that. "

There I go again, babbling on...

Aron.

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O My Gosh Jennie....Bless Your Heart. Just my " 2 cents " but I WOULD NOT have

left. I would have politely approached the Libraian and briefly explained the

situation and then finished what I was there to do to begin with. And.....YOU

MUST GO BACK! If you don't it will continue to happen. must also " see "

that their behavior was UNACCEPTABLE and it WILL NOT be TOLERATED. We gotta

fight these kids battles til they can do it for themselves. I hope I'm not

coming off to strong, but I'm mad for you. Blessings.....

Terrie

Jennie wrote:

Today was the last straw. I have repeatedly been given a hostile and

uninviting welcome from the library staff at our local public library

because is loud, rowdy, vocal, etc. You know, a typical

child with " quirks " if you will. He's not running. he's not pulling

books off shelves. he's not climbing furniture, overturning chairs,

throwing things, being mean to other children. He's just vocally

loud. He's got Asperger's and ADHD and ??? I do the best I can.

I've rehearsed and rote response for every time a librarian has

approached me: " I'm sorry. My child has special needs. I do the

best I can. " And I do.

But the library has hired a security gaurd to pace the children's

floor and shush the rowdy children and scold the wayward parents.

I've got a rowdy child. It appears as though he's naughty and I'm

wayward. I understand that. I'm not stupid. But today was the straw

that broke the camels' back. I was asked to leave. I was not given

the opportunity to check out the items we intended to borrow. I was

not given the chance to explain. The big bad hugely tall security

gaurd said, " ma'am, you're going to have to leave. "

So I did.

And I'm NEVER going back.

EVER.

Why do people with " normal " kids think parents with quriky kids are

just " bad parents? " Why the assumption?

My husband called the library to inform them of our situation. They

said, they don't have a plan to accommodate special needs children.

Well. They better get one, now shouldn't they? Because special

needs children aren't going to disappear and their parents aren't

going to go silently into the night.

I encourage you to take your child out in public places, despite the

public ignorance you may face. Our kids are humans too, with

rights. And as parents of these children, we have rights too. And

never in my wildest dreams did I expect to be an upstanding citizen,

who has never even had a traffic violation or an overdue book, to be

asked to leave the public library. There are no words...

Jennie

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Jennie, fight this one, please fight this one. What they did is against

the LAW. In my mind, you fight them, you win, and they are forced to

build an addition in which " rowdy " little children can be themselves

whilst mom gets some comfort in a good book. You fight. You WILL win. Im

so sorry for the way you were treated, as an American, that just boils

my blood. That is NOT how we are in this society.

Re: Not welcome at the public library

O My Gosh Jennie....Bless Your Heart. Just my " 2 cents " but I WOULD NOT

have left. I would have politely approached the Libraian and briefly

explained the situation and then finished what I was there to do to

begin with. And.....YOU MUST GO BACK! If you don't it will continue to

happen. must also " see " that their behavior was UNACCEPTABLE and

it WILL NOT be TOLERATED. We gotta fight these kids battles til they can

do it for themselves. I hope I'm not coming off to strong, but I'm mad

for you. Blessings.....

Terrie

Jennie <smithjennie@ <mailto:smithjennie%40Knology.net>

Knology.net> wrote:

Today was the last straw. I have repeatedly been given a hostile and

uninviting welcome from the library staff at our local public library

because is loud, rowdy, vocal, etc. You know, a typical

child with " quirks " if you will. He's not running. he's not pulling

books off shelves. he's not climbing furniture, overturning chairs,

throwing things, being mean to other children. He's just vocally

loud. He's got Asperger's and ADHD and ??? I do the best I can.

I've rehearsed and rote response for every time a librarian has

approached me: " I'm sorry. My child has special needs. I do the

best I can. " And I do.

But the library has hired a security gaurd to pace the children's

floor and shush the rowdy children and scold the wayward parents.

I've got a rowdy child. It appears as though he's naughty and I'm

wayward. I understand that. I'm not stupid. But today was the straw

that broke the camels' back. I was asked to leave. I was not given

the opportunity to check out the items we intended to borrow. I was

not given the chance to explain. The big bad hugely tall security

gaurd said, " ma'am, you're going to have to leave. "

So I did.

And I'm NEVER going back.

EVER.

Why do people with " normal " kids think parents with quriky kids are

just " bad parents? " Why the assumption?

My husband called the library to inform them of our situation. They

said, they don't have a plan to accommodate special needs children.

Well. They better get one, now shouldn't they? Because special

needs children aren't going to disappear and their parents aren't

going to go silently into the night.

I encourage you to take your child out in public places, despite the

public ignorance you may face. Our kids are humans too, with

rights. And as parents of these children, we have rights too. And

never in my wildest dreams did I expect to be an upstanding citizen,

who has never even had a traffic violation or an overdue book, to be

asked to leave the public library. There are no words...

Jennie

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Hey Aron,

Too bad your wife wasn't with you at the library. LOL. I wonder what she might

have told that woman? (I bet she would've shut her up for good.) :0)

I am so proud of her for standing up for you at the Christmas party.

You know, there are ways for people to satisfy their curiosity about things they

do not understand without being rude. We just have more tact than others I

guess. (? Ha! it must be a component of our extra gene material.) :0)

To: MosaicDS@...: arcticwolf09@...: Fri, 1 Dec 2006

02:15:39 +0000Subject: Re: Not welcome at the public library

I have met quite a few people who have said ignorant things to me.That woman was

the worst.I wanted to say something but I was just too angry to think

strait.Other things I remember off the top of my head...a few years back Iwas

talking to woman (which I don't remember how i knew her). I toldher I had Down

Syndrome. She looked at me surprised and said " But yournot fat! " When my wife and

I went to her office's Christmas party last year, onewoman said to her " You're a

smart woman, why would you want to be withsomeone like him? " She told her " He's

sweet, thoughtful, interesting,charming and funny - and doesn't ask rude

questions like that. " There I go again, babbling on...Aron.

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Jennie,

The security officer is what i call ignorant. Not stupid, just ignorant of what

" special needs " means. Yes, library time means quiet time, however, the library

is there for all to use. I would call your mayor, tell them of the situation

and explain the situation.

I live in a small town and our library hold about 40 people, but even our small

library town has accommodations for special needs. Every day the library is

open, they set several hours aside for special needs kids/adults to come. Its

not closed to the public, just a sign is posted to give others the opportunity

to choose if they want to come to the library now, knowing it will be loud or to

come later when they know it will be quiet. This did not mean you could not take

your child during the " off hours " it just meant during those 4 hours no one

will come to you telling you to be quiet, or to control your child, etc. But it

wasn't a free for all either. There were still rules to follow, but its a great

learning tool for kids with special needs to come and learn how to use the

library without being scolded every 10 minutes. At first I was offended by the

special set hours, but when I started utilizing them, I loved the idea! This

was 15 years ago and the sign is still posted there every day. Your library

needs a lesson in humility and acceptance. We all have the right to attend a

library. I hope this helps.

Patty~Mother of 23, 19 mds and 18

Jennie <smithjennie@ <mailto:smithjennie%40Knology.net>

Knology.net> wrote:

Today was the last straw. I have repeatedly been given a hostile and

uninviting welcome from the library staff at our local public library

because is loud, rowdy, vocal, etc. You know, a typical

child with " quirks " if you will. He's not running. he's not pulling

books off shelves. he's not climbing furniture, overturning chairs,

throwing things, being mean to other children. He's just vocally

loud. He's got Asperger's and ADHD and ??? I do the best I can.

I've rehearsed and rote response for every time a librarian has

approached me: " I'm sorry. My child has special needs. I do the

best I can. " And I do.

But the library has hired a security gaurd to pace the children's

floor and shush the rowdy children and scold the wayward parents.

I've got a rowdy child. It appears as though he's naughty and I'm

wayward. I understand that. I'm not stupid. But today was the straw

that broke the camels' back. I was asked to leave. I was not given

the opportunity to check out the items we intended to borrow. I was

not given the chance to explain. The big bad hugely tall security

gaurd said, " ma'am, you're going to have to leave. "

So I did.

And I'm NEVER going back.

EVER.

Why do people with " normal " kids think parents with quriky kids are

just " bad parents? " Why the assumption?

My husband called the library to inform them of our situation. They

said, they don't have a plan to accommodate special needs children.

Well. They better get one, now shouldn't they? Because special

needs children aren't going to disappear and their parents aren't

going to go silently into the night.

I encourage you to take your child out in public places, despite the

public ignorance you may face. Our kids are humans too, with

rights. And as parents of these children, we have rights too. And

never in my wildest dreams did I expect to be an upstanding citizen,

who has never even had a traffic violation or an overdue book, to be

asked to leave the public library. There are no words...

Jennie

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A public library is PUBLIC, for ALL PEOPLE. I am shocked and dismayed that you

had to go through that. It is ignorant on the librarys' part and I would think

illegal. You are a taxpaper, you live in the community. I would be so mad.

I'd cry and then I would bring it to the attention of every person that could

correct that so no noe ever went thru that again. Your local representive

should be made aware I think. Good luck. I am sure every single one of us has

had to go thru something of that sort or something due to someone elses

ignorance or fear.

Donna

Not welcome at the public library

Today was the last straw. I have repeatedly been given a hostile and

uninviting welcome from the library staff at our local public library

because is loud, rowdy, vocal, etc. You know, a typical

child with " quirks " if you will. He's not running. he's not pulling

books off shelves. he's not climbing furniture, overturning chairs,

throwing things, being mean to other children. He's just vocally

loud. He's got Asperger's and ADHD and ??? I do the best I can.

I've rehearsed and rote response for every time a librarian has

approached me: " I'm sorry. My child has special needs. I do the

best I can. " And I do.

But the library has hired a security gaurd to pace the children's

floor and shush the rowdy children and scold the wayward parents.

I've got a rowdy child. It appears as though he's naughty and I'm

wayward. I understand that. I'm not stupid. But today was the straw

that broke the camels' back. I was asked to leave. I was not given

the opportunity to check out the items we intended to borrow. I was

not given the chance to explain. The big bad hugely tall security

gaurd said, " ma'am, you're going to have to leave. "

So I did.

And I'm NEVER going back.

EVER.

Why do people with " normal " kids think parents with quriky kids are

just " bad parents? " Why the assumption?

My husband called the library to inform them of our situation. They

said, they don't have a plan to accommodate special needs children.

Well. They better get one, now shouldn't they? Because special

needs children aren't going to disappear and their parents aren't

going to go silently into the night.

I encourage you to take your child out in public places, despite the

public ignorance you may face. Our kids are humans too, with

rights. And as parents of these children, we have rights too. And

never in my wildest dreams did I expect to be an upstanding citizen,

who has never even had a traffic violation or an overdue book, to be

asked to leave the public library. There are no words...

Jennie

[Guest guest]

I am in with you Kristy. " I AM SPEECHLESS " also ! When I read what that

woman said I couldn't believe it! I can't believe how rude people could be.

I guess it all starts at home. No one taught her any better.

>

>Reply-To: MosaicDS

>To: MosaicDS

>Subject: Re: Re: Not welcome at the public library

>Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:27:15 -0800 (PST)

>

>Aron

> That is so amazingly horrible that that woman would actually say that

>right to your face! HOW RUDE CAN YOU GET!!!!!!!!!!!

> I am just shaking my head not believing how ignorant and RUDE a person

>could be!

>

> Well...you all can mark this on your calendars....I AM SPEECHLESS!

> Kristy

>

>Aron Wozniak wrote:

> I understand what you mean. My seven year old nephew has

>Tourette

>Syndrome. My wife and I babysit him sometimes.

>

>He loves comic books so I took him to the bookstore one weekend.

>People were glaring at us for his " bad " behaviour. I remember the

>employees telling me to make him be quiet. I also was threatened to be

>kicked out. There was one lady who didn't quite understand his special

>needs. She asked me if I was his father and if I could pass onto my

>son being retarded! I said " No, he's not retarded. He just has a tic

>disorder " . Then she had the nerve to tell me " Oh, I thought you were

>his father because you look mentally retarded "

>

>I almost told her " I'd rather be retarded than ignorant like you "

>(Note that I never call people retarded, I simply just say it in a way

>this poor lady will understand)

>

>I wish your family luck and I certainly hope people will smarten up.

>

>Aron.

>

>

> >

> > Today was the last straw. I have repeatedly been given a hostile and

> > uninviting welcome from the library staff at our local public library

> > because is loud, rowdy, vocal, etc. You know, a typical

> > child with " quirks " if you will. He's not running. he's not pulling

> > books off shelves. he's not climbing furniture, overturning chairs,

> > throwing things, being mean to other children. He's just vocally

> > loud. He's got Asperger's and ADHD and ??? I do the best I can.

> > I've rehearsed and rote response for every time a librarian has

> > approached me: " I'm sorry. My child has special needs. I do the

> > best I can. " And I do.

> >

> > But the library has hired a security gaurd to pace the children's

> > floor and shush the rowdy children and scold the wayward parents.

> > I've got a rowdy child. It appears as though he's naughty and I'm

> > wayward. I understand that. I'm not stupid. But today was the straw

> > that broke the camels' back. I was asked to leave. I was not given

> > the opportunity to check out the items we intended to borrow. I was

> > not given the chance to explain. The big bad hugely tall security

> > gaurd said, " ma'am, you're going to have to leave. "

> >

> > So I did.

> >

> > And I'm NEVER going back.

> >

> > EVER.

> >

> > Why do people with " normal " kids think parents with quriky kids are

> > just " bad parents? " Why the assumption?

> >

> > My husband called the library to inform them of our situation. They

> > said, they don't have a plan to accommodate special needs children.

> >

> > Well. They better get one, now shouldn't they? Because special

> > needs children aren't going to disappear and their parents aren't

> > going to go silently into the night.

> >

> > I encourage you to take your child out in public places, despite the

> > public ignorance you may face. Our kids are humans too, with

> > rights. And as parents of these children, we have rights too. And

> > never in my wildest dreams did I expect to be an upstanding citizen,

> > who has never even had a traffic violation or an overdue book, to be

> > asked to leave the public library. There are no words...

> > Jennie

> >

>

>

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