Re: Sick Buildings and Reflux - Is this the causal link?

[Guest guest]

This is from the latest ad on some yogurt but I believe it is true

since it makes alot of sense, that 75% of your immune system is in

your digestive tract. The downward spiral in my health about 2 years

before cancer started with some medicine that ruined my throat and

digestive tract.

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> ARRGH... That is what happened to me, for months.. months.. I was

dying..

>

[Guest guest]

Jackie, Re: Nexium. Do you think Nexium got your stomach 100% healed

and then you backslide after going off of it, or did you get much

better but never got to feeling 100%?

>

>

> One needs meds to heal the erosions. I guess they can heal on their

> own but I would not chance it. By far, the best medication I use for

> it was Nexxium but it is very expensive. Changing the diet helps too.

[Guest guest]

The pathologist that I know who does work with toxic mold biopsies and

autopsies said that toxic mold does cause sloughing off of intestinal

tract lining, leaving victim unable to digest food.

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>At one point it seemed like my insides were all sloghing off

> and coming out in my poop.. it was really bad..

[Guest guest]

This is what I have read also. My allergist and mold doctor told me

to take pancreatic enzyme with meals containing protein for this

purpose.

>

> There is a school of thought and books about this, that reflux is

> actually a symptom of too little stomach acid where the food fails

to

>

[Guest guest]

Does anyone know if low MSH from mold exposure contributes to these

digestive problems?

-

>

> This is from the latest ad on some yogurt but I believe it is true

> since it makes alot of sense, that 75% of your immune system is in

> your digestive tract. The downward spiral in my health about 2 years

> before cancer started with some medicine that ruined my throat and

> digestive tract.

[Guest guest]

LS,

Good article and very interesting. I'm enjoying this discussion,

it's very informative and I am going add my opinion, for what it's

worth. Since many of you have raised questions instead of trying to

give my opinion all in one post here I will respond to the posts

directly.

KC

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> Thanks to following a link Jeanine posted a few days ago, I think

that

> THANKS TO HER POINTING IT OUT I've found a host of new research on

the

> web that IMO establishes the link between aspergillus in the air

in a

> sick building and esophagitis / reflux disease in a major,

unassilable

> way.

>

> Its apparently one of a family of " Eosinophilic " conditions that

> appear to be not mycosis but they ARE immunological reactions to

> aspergillus, etc. and possibly other aeroallergens and they can be

> severe..

>

> There is a condition called Eosinophilic Esophagitis that has been

> known for some time. Its NOT GERD, but to a odctor it looks just

like

> GERD.

>

> But its not. Its caused by toxic mold making the immune system

react

> very strongly.

> Can you blame it? NO. Its a natural reaction.

>

> High levels of aspergillus CREATED THIS CONDITION IN MICE in

experiments.

>

> They did NOT have it before.

>

> There are lots of other eosonophilic conditions that are probably

> caused by mold.

> They seem to spread...

>

>

> See:

>

> An etiological role for aeroallergens and eosinophils in

experimental

> esophagitis

>

> Anil Mishra, Simon P. Hogan, B. Brandt, and Marc E. Rothenberg

> http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?

artid=198543 & tools=bot

>

>

> and also

>

> An Etiological Role for Aeroallergens and Eosinophils in

Experimental

> Esophagitis

> M. , MD

>

> http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/110/2/S1/436

>

> and probably more...

>

[Guest guest]

Barb,

I believe you are 100% right on this. Hopefully in the near future,

if and when funds become available I am definately going to look

into some of these intestinal washes that you hear about. I'm not

talking about colonic washes, this is natural medications/herbs not

only to wash you out but also to remove everything that has stuck to

the intestinal walls. I strongly believe by doing this, as some have

mentioned, it helps your body to absorb the vitamins and nutrients

alot better and the medications you may take now may not have to be

taken at the same strength. As discusting as it may sound I've seen

pictures of this and also have had a family member use this

procedure and it worked.

KC

> >

> > ARRGH... That is what happened to me, for months.. months.. I

was

> dying..

> >

>

[Guest guest]

,

I'm not sure of this, but I'll see if I can get a direct answer from

the pro. Just give me a day or two.

KC

> >

> > This is from the latest ad on some yogurt but I believe it is true

> > since it makes alot of sense, that 75% of your immune system is in

> > your digestive tract. The downward spiral in my health about 2

years

> > before cancer started with some medicine that ruined my throat and

> > digestive tract.

>

[Guest guest]

Barb,

I think you are right on this also, as far as the stomach acids and

others. I've heard this from several professionals, that after mold

exposure, many treatments of antibodics and of course other meds

disrupts the entire digestive tract. Mold/mycotoxins are more than

capable of doing this on their own. Once you throw one element off

kilter all the others may flourish. Everything used to live in

harmony to help your digestive tract, stomach acids, bacteria,

candida, enzymes, flora,etc. I strongly believe from what I have

learned and have experienced firsthand through my wife that the acid

reflux is caused by the lack of, not an over amount of acid. When

you can't digest your food properly this is what causes the acid

reflux, also where you are not capable of absorbing vitamins and

nutrients from your food.

Of course I am not a doctor, so if anyone wants to correct me feel

free. After this type of exposure the research I have read and the

professionals I have spoken to, your crohns disease, IBS (irritable

bowel syndrome), and one other that I can't think of the name of,

they have linked fungal colonization and the intestines as a

possible cause to these conditions.

KC

--- In , " barb1283 " <barb1283@...>

wrote:

>

> I've heard that inflamation in digestive tract makes it difficult

for

> gi tract to digest food, so that taking digestive aids are best.

If

> you take anything that inhibits stomach acid, I've heard it makes

> indigestion worse since your stomach needs acid to digest food.

Your

> stomach acid also kills microbes that you swallow. I was Rxed one

of

> those but never filled the Rx. Actually I rarely take anything my

> regular doctor gives me though. My alternative mold doc gave me

> pancreatic digestive aid for protein (which I've heard are the

problem

> generally) and to stay away from foods I tested allergic too. I

must

> add though I am not getting much better. I was for awhile and now

> sliding backward but I stopped taking my digestive enzyme, just

forget

> as I focus on a different problem.

>

[Guest guest]

Mia,

I'm sorry to hear this and I hope that we all can help you just by

discussing what has worked for us. My wife had acid reflux also real

bad for about a year, to where she would have to sleep in an upright

position at most nights. A good friend recommended to me a number of

times (Doug Haney) to try the digestive enzymes, I finally listened

and they worked almost immediately. Now I know there are some on

this board they have not worked for, but this just goes to show what

may work for one may not work for another. In our case it was a

blessing, I guess you might say we got lucky. They do not cost

much.The chewable ones seemed to have worked much better and after 3

days of taking them like the directions said, she has not had to

touch them for 2 years. I couldn't believe they worked so well and I

wish I had listened sooner.

Something else that seems to have worked for myself and many others,

as far as your hives or any other skin conditions, please try

applying white vinegar. If it is an open wound, dilute it for the

first time or two. Yes it is going to sting a little, but it goes

away quickly. I have used it myself on several bad abrasions and the

healing process started almost immediately. It is a great

antifungal/antibacterial. This will also help prevent further

infections. The wounds I applied it to never even got red around the

edges like you normally see.

Again, I am not a doctor, but I would also recommend anyone to use

it for ear infections, unless you have had tubes put in because I

don't know enough about them, so use caution. For some reason now a

days experience ear infections, one right after the other and the

research seems to show alot of times it is caused by fungal

infections, aspergillus niger. I've used this on my grandchildren

and nephews with excellant results. Most of the time it only takes

one treatment. I use it straight. Externally, NOT internally. I have

articles on this from doctors, if you would like them you can email

me.

KC

> Thanks to following a link Jeanine posted a few days

ago, I think that

> THANKS TO HER POINTING IT OUT I've found a host of new research on

the

> web that IMO establishes the link between aspergillus in the air

in a

> sick building and esophagitis / reflux disease in a major,

unassilable

> way.

>

> Its apparently one of a family of " Eosinophilic " conditions that

> appear to be not mycosis but they ARE immunological reactions to

> aspergillus, etc. and possibly other aeroallergens and they can be

> severe..

>

> There is a condition called Eosinophilic Esophagitis that has been

> known for some time. Its NOT GERD, but to a odctor it looks just

like

> GERD.

>

> But its not. Its caused by toxic mold making the immune system

react

> very strongly.

> Can you blame it? NO. Its a natural reaction.

>

> High levels of aspergillus CREATED THIS CONDITION IN MICE in

experiments.

>

> They did NOT have it before.

>

> There are lots of other eosonophilic conditions that are probably

> caused by mold.

> They seem to spread...

>

> See:

>

> An etiological role for aeroallergens and eosinophils in

experimental

> esophagitis

>

> Anil Mishra, Simon P. Hogan, B. Brandt, and Marc E. Rothenberg

> http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?

artid=198543 & tools=bot

>

> and also

>

> An Etiological Role for Aeroallergens and Eosinophils in

Experimental

> Esophagitis

> M. , MD

>

> http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/110/2/S1/436

>

> and probably more...

>

>

>

>

>

> MIA KNIPPEL

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jackie,

I wonder why your insurance won't cover it? Nexxium is an

antifungal, it's an azole and if anyone can prove me wrong please

do. I forget the full name of this azole, but if you see the

commercials look underneath the little purple pill it is in small

letters. From what I understand all azoles are antifungals. Which

brings up the question, why are they giving antifungals for acid

reflux?

KC

> >

> > Thanks to following a link Jeanine posted a few days ago, I

think

> that

> > THANKS TO HER POINTING IT OUT I've found a host of new research

on

> the

> > web that IMO establishes the link between aspergillus in the air

in

> a

> > sick building and esophagitis / reflux disease in a major,

> unassilable

> > way.

> >

> > Its apparently one of a family of " Eosinophilic " conditions that

> > appear to be not mycosis but they ARE immunological reactions to

> > aspergillus, etc. and possibly other aeroallergens and they can

be

> > severe..

> >

> > There is a condition called Eosinophilic Esophagitis that has

been

> > known for some time. Its NOT GERD, but to a odctor it looks just

> like

> > GERD.

> >

> > But its not. Its caused by toxic mold making the immune system

react

> > very strongly.

> > Can you blame it? NO. Its a natural reaction.

> >

> > High levels of aspergillus CREATED THIS CONDITION IN MICE in

> experiments.

> >

> > They did NOT have it before.

> >

> > There are lots of other eosonophilic conditions that are probably

> > caused by mold.

> > They seem to spread...

> >

> >

> > See:

> >

> > An etiological role for aeroallergens and eosinophils in

> experimental

> > esophagitis

> >

> > Anil Mishra, Simon P. Hogan, B. Brandt, and Marc E.

Rothenberg

> > http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?

> artid=198543 & tools=bot

> >

> >

> > and also

> >

> > An Etiological Role for Aeroallergens and Eosinophils in

> Experimental

> > Esophagitis

> > M. , MD

> >

> >

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/110/2/S1/436

> >

> > and probably more...

> >

>

[Guest guest]

LS,

None of the prescription medications worked for us, just the

digestive enzymes. My dad was nexxium for bad acid reflux and he

went back to the doctor and the doc said, obviously this isn't

working for you. Just go down to your health food store and buy some

digestive enzymes. I lost it when he told me this, because he

wouldn't listen to me. Guess what? They worked.

KC

> > >

> > > Live,

> > > There is a problem though w/seeing doctors sometimes. First you

> > have to get them to agree you have a problem. We have been to 3

> > gastro doctors. All of which practice out of one of the leading

> > hospitals here. They insist this does not effect kids. One of the

> > doctors saw my daughter the night I brought her to the ER

because the

> > pain was so bad, I thought she was having a heart attack or

> > something. They have told me she is a 100% healthy child. (geez,

> > that just makes me so mad when they say that) My grandmother has

run

> > into the same problem. The have told her not to eat or drink 2-3

> > hours before going to bed. It's kinda like the mold issue. If

they

> > are not going to agree and help, then after awhile you just give

up

> > and try to fix it yourself. We have been able to do this 95%

> > effective thru diet. Unless she is re-exposed to mold. But, even

> > then it isn't like it was. I am not disagreeing w/you. Just

stating

> > that it is not just as easy as seeing a doctor and getting

diagnosed

> > and getting medication for some of us. You must have wonderful

luck

> > w/doctors. Our luck pretty much sucks w/doctors.

> > > I do agree that this does seem to get worse w/exposure.

> > >

> > >

> > > Re: [] Re: Sick Buildings and Reflux - Is

> > this the causal link?

> > >

> > >

> > > All of you people who have this need to see doctors.. and you

> > really

> > > need to see gastroenterologists..

> > >

> > > Please don't just limp through life.. You (we!) need to get

this

> > treated.

> > >

> > > Prilosec will only help so much..

> > >

> > > If it ever gets really bad you'll never be the same again.. You

> > start

> > > inhaling stomach acid and your throat swells up and you can't

> > drink or

> > > breathe. When that happened to me it was absolute hell. I

couldn't

> > > work for almost a year. I couldn't sleep. A lot like Jeanine.

> > >

> > > Its absolutely terrifying.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Ok, poor etiquette to reply to my own post, but I found this link

which discusses aging and low stomach acid. This makes sense to me.

If mold " prematurely " ages us, then maybe this approach would help:

http://www.tahoma-clinic.com/aging.shtml

-

There is a school of thought and books about this, that reflux is

actually a symptom of too little stomach acid where the food fails to

be properly broken down and comes back up. The treatment would be

betaine HCL, I believe. I don't claim to know a lot about this, but I

remember once doing a self-test for stomach acidity with bicarbonate

and water. I have read about this in other groups. An Internet search

might prove helpful here. I think it was a Dr. who wrote the

book, but not sure. I just thought for those who are not getting good

results with their care this might be something to check out.

-

[Guest guest]

,

You said, There is a school of thought and books about this, that

reflux is actually a symptom of too little stomach acid where the

food fails to be properly broken down and comes back up.

I agree with you 100%. This is what I've always been told, that your

food goes right staight through you and you don't absorb any of the

good nutrients and vitamins from it.

KC

>

> Yes, I too have had improper diagnosis, endoscopy, ph test, barium

> swallow, they say I have gerd put me on protonix, it didn't help,

so

> they tripled dosage and added antinausea, nitro, benadryl, and said

> dont eat or drink 3 hours before bed. I asked them how I was

supposed

> to swaLLOW my pills they said keep trying. It is rediculous after

the

> tripple dose which costs over 1000 month i still have no results,

> lost job, lost insurance, 10000 in medical bills, applied for

> disability lost 60 lbs and still cant swallow. This is while under

> treatment of gastro specialist. If you guys have had any results

> with meds let me know.

>

> Mia

>

[Guest guest]

I don't think it was healed 100% on Nexxium but I think had I been able

to continued and followed a proper diet along with the Nexxium, I would

be well now. I had no idea how good Nexxium was until I started on the

other drug.

> >

> >

> > One needs meds to heal the erosions. I guess they can heal on

their

> > own but I would not chance it. By far, the best medication I use

for

> > it was Nexxium but it is very expensive. Changing the diet helps

too.

>

[Guest guest]

I have no idea why it is not covered. It was covered for about a

year because my doctor said it was necessary. Then, the insurance

company would not approve it even with the doctor stating it was

medically necessary.

I do know on the Nexxium, I had fewer sinus infections which leads me

to believe my problems with my sinuses were fungal. I never had

reflux until I had mold exposure.

> > >

> > > Thanks to following a link Jeanine posted a few days ago, I

> think

> > that

> > > THANKS TO HER POINTING IT OUT I've found a host of new research

> on

> > the

> > > web that IMO establishes the link between aspergillus in the

air

> in

> > a

> > > sick building and esophagitis / reflux disease in a major,

> > unassilable

> > > way.

> > >

> > > Its apparently one of a family of " Eosinophilic " conditions that

> > > appear to be not mycosis but they ARE immunological reactions to

> > > aspergillus, etc. and possibly other aeroallergens and they can

> be

> > > severe..

> > >

> > > There is a condition called Eosinophilic Esophagitis that has

> been

> > > known for some time. Its NOT GERD, but to a odctor it looks

just

> > like

> > > GERD.

> > >

> > > But its not. Its caused by toxic mold making the immune system

> react

> > > very strongly.

> > > Can you blame it? NO. Its a natural reaction.

> > >

> > > High levels of aspergillus CREATED THIS CONDITION IN MICE in

> > experiments.

> > >

> > > They did NOT have it before.

> > >

> > > There are lots of other eosonophilic conditions that are

probably

> > > caused by mold.

> > > They seem to spread...

> > >

> > >

> > > See:

> > >

> > > An etiological role for aeroallergens and eosinophils in

> > experimental

> > > esophagitis

> > >

> > > Anil Mishra, Simon P. Hogan, B. Brandt, and Marc E.

> Rothenberg

> > > http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?

> > artid=198543 & tools=bot

> > >

> > >

> > > and also

> > >

> > > An Etiological Role for Aeroallergens and Eosinophils in

> > Experimental

> > > Esophagitis

> > > M. , MD

> > >

> > >

> http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/110/2/S1/436

> > >

> > > and probably more...

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Jackie,

A thought comes to mind of one of our very ill members, Marcie, who

is not on the board much because of her illness and she has to go

the library. She started taking fresh raw garlic, cut up, because

she would experience severe abdominal pain. She also had skin

rashes. I recommened this to her, again with caution, since she had

mentioned her special medication didn't come in. What was that I

asked, and I almost fell off the chair when she said nexxium. I

don't think she has had to use nexxium since she started the garlic.

Again, another great antifungal and many other benefits. Her pains

went away and skin rashes cleared up.

Parasites are also another real problem that many of us are not

aware of and could be very difficult to diagnose. From what I

understand we all have them, at what point they start causing us

problems, who knows, but to be on the safe side the use of garlic

will remedy this problem. It will kill them, another little critter

we can do without.

Just so everyone is aware who knows Marcie, she is very ill and is

not doing well. I speak to her as much as I can. Her cobra insurance

got cancelled by some evil manipulation of the company. The same ole

story, oh you didn't send the payment, you sent it to the wrong

office or the address changed. Because of this she has not been able

to get her prescription IVIG's that has helped to keep her alive.

She may have gotten this problem taken care of, but nothing is

definately yet. But she needs these IVIG's to continue.

Please everyone keep her in your thoughts and say a prayer when you

can.

KC

> >

> > So what you guys are telling me is this can get worse than it

> already has been? The only way to fix it is w/medication? This

is

> not a jerkish question. I really want to know. I just can't

imagine

> it getting worse. But, geez after listening to some you it gets

more

> horrible. If it does then I'm going to have to arm myself

> w/documents before our next doctors visit. Ask him how it's no

big

> deal, how is she going to outgrow this? That's the answer to

> everything: She'll outgrow it. But, now I'm concerned.

> >

> > [] Re: Sick Buildings and Reflux - Is

this

> the causal link?

> >

> >

> > You are right Live. This stuff is horrible. My insurance will

not

> pay

> > for any of the Nexxium which helped me more than anything.

Right

> now I

> > am using Prilosec as a temp fix. This is what the dcotor told

me

> to

> > take since insurance will not pay for Nexxium. However, I saw

a

> > commerical the other day that Nexxium makers will help a

person

> without

> > insurance.

> > Recent Activity

> > a.. 10New Members

> > Visit Your Group

> >

[Guest guest]

LS,

I agree, the CSM definately helped here too.

KC

> >

> >

> > One needs meds to heal the erosions. I guess they can heal on

their

> > own but I would not chance it. By far, the best medication I use

for

> > it was Nexxium but it is very expensive. Changing the diet helps

too.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I tested positive for garlic allergy. However, I try small amounts

often.

> > >

> > > So what you guys are telling me is this can get worse than it

> > already has been? The only way to fix it is w/medication? This

> is

> > not a jerkish question. I really want to know. I just can't

> imagine

> > it getting worse. But, geez after listening to some you it gets

> more

> > horrible. If it does then I'm going to have to arm myself

> > w/documents before our next doctors visit. Ask him how it's no

> big

> > deal, how is she going to outgrow this? That's the answer to

> > everything: She'll outgrow it. But, now I'm concerned.

> > >

> > > [] Re: Sick Buildings and Reflux - Is

> this

> > the causal link?

> > >

> > >

> > > You are right Live. This stuff is horrible. My insurance will

> not

> > pay

> > > for any of the Nexxium which helped me more than anything.

> Right

> > now I

> > > am using Prilosec as a temp fix. This is what the dcotor told

> me

> > to

> > > take since insurance will not pay for Nexxium. However, I saw

> a

> > > commerical the other day that Nexxium makers will help a

> person

> > without

> > > insurance.

> > > Recent Activity

> > > a.. 10New Members

> > > Visit Your Group

> > >

[Guest guest]

LS said,The military uses it as part of their

aflatoxin treatment recommendations I remember reading somewhere.. It

also stimulates liver or kidney enzymes, I think..

This is why Sharon and I know many others use milk thistle. It helps

detox the liver and the kidneys and it definately helps the liver

enzymes stay in the normal range. I was convienced of this after a

long time friend that I had lost contact with, went through cancer

treatment and she did not tell the doctor she was taking milk

thistle, until after they did the bloodwork on her liver. They were

shocked that the enzymes in the liver were perfect. Then they called

it snake oil and she was not aware we were taking milk thistle

ourselves. It's snake oil when they don't understand something or

the big corporations are not benefiting. Then all of a sudden the

price triples and you wonder why, then you realize they are using it

in some of their medications. Now all of a sudden it's a miracle and

it works.

Just like Guaifenesin to help break up congestion, that they also

called snake oil. Now you almost can't find an expectorant without

it, Musinex, is 800 mg. Same as if you bought the pills at the

health food store, only their it's cheaper. It does work.

KC

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> Also, there are a few other drugs that seem to help in addition to

the

> proton pump inhibitors.. There are motility drugs that push things

> through your stomach faster. Now I think we are getting into the

realm

> of needing Dr. Shoemaker or someone similar to weigh in on this

but I

> think that a common reactio of the body to mycotoxins is to just

> freeze up in order to minimize the contact of the body to the

toxified

> stuff.. At one point it seemed like my insides were all sloghing

off

> and coming out in my poop.. it was really bad.. I was trying to

take

> metamucil thinking that would help and it was and wasn't..

>

> Now I have a presciption for metaclopromide and when I get bad mold

> exposure I also take that but thank God I haven't had to take it

in a

> while.. It helps the esophagitis but it also dries you out terribly

> and it also seems to worsten my short term memory.. which is the

last

> thing I need right now.. its an anticholinergic..

>

> But its good to have around.. The military uses it as part of their

> aflatoxin treatment recommendations I remember reading somewhere..

It

> also stimulates liver or kidney enzymes, I think..

>

> These are all prescription drugs and I really am not qualified to

say

> any more than my own experiences.. They may kill you ... get my

> drift.. don't take my word for anything on these meds..

>

> There is another drug available on the international markey called

> domperidone.. I forget what happened with that but I didn't

continue

> taking it.. it must not have helped..

>

[Guest guest]

I don't know if it is just me but I have found that a little bit of

L-Carnosine mixed into soymilk right before going to sleep does

very good things for my esophageal and stomach issues. Ive been doing it for

a few months and there have been big improvements in the overall

inflammation level for me.

I buy it in powder form.. the capsules are too expensive. Carnosine tastes

good.. its a little sweet..

I don't know if this is the placebo effect.. I do know that Carnosine helps

healing

[Guest guest]

my gastrenologist put me on protonix. Supposed to heal.

Janet

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[Guest guest]

Here is perhaps one of the reasons why carnosine helps heal these

kinds of things:

ttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=70\

54908 & dopt=Abstract

1: Surgery. 1982 Jan;91(1):56-60. Related Articles, Links

Carnosine, histidine, and wound healing.

Fitzpatrick DW, Fisher H.

The relationships among carnosine, histidine, and wound healing

were examined in rats fed either 100% or 50% of the reported histidine

required for growth. Animals fed the adequate amount of histidine grew

more rapidly and more efficiently than did animals on the

low-histidine diet. When the rats reached the experimental weight

range of 165 to 180 gm, they were anesthetized and wounded with back

skin incision; a polyvinylchloride sponge was implanted under the skin

before closure of the wound. Seven days after wounding, the

histidine-sufficient animals had greater regenerative skin-breaking

strength, collagen deposition, and tissue concentrations of free

histidine and carnosine. Histidine and carnosine treatment (1 mg/100

gm body weight/day intraperitoneally) for 7 days after wounding

increased tissue free-histidine concentrations and brought

skin-breaking strength and collagen deposition up to " normal " in the

animals on the low-histidine diet but did not further improve healing

in the histidine-sufficient animals. Treatment with carnosine was

similar, but slightly better than treatment with histidine. The

results suggest an interaction between carnosine and stress and

implicate carnosine as a histidine reserve in relation to histamine

synthesis during trauma.

Publication Types:

* Comparative Study

* Research Support, Non-U.S. Gov't

* Research Support, U.S. Gov't, P.H.S.

[Guest guest]

My understanding is that low MSH does contribute to these problems

because it's the hormone that controls the secretion of other hormones,

thus your intestines don't have the levels of hormones that they need

to rebuild the lining properly, so you get all sorts of GI issues with

low MSH. That kinda shows up in the Biotoxin pathway diagram in Mold

Warriors. And, it is true that the largest immune function in our

bodies is in our GI tract (I've read anywhere from 60-80%), thus when

you GI tract is unhealthy, you're immune system is underfunctioning and

I think this is what sets the stage for all these other opportunistic

infections that we seem to collect and I would say definitely

contributes to the imbalances like candida, parasites etc. that many of

us have.

Here's a link that has a discussion of some comprehensive links on the

role of MSH and the gut:

http://www.anapsid.org/cnd/diffdx/msh.html

B.

> >

> > This is from the latest ad on some yogurt but I believe it is true

> > since it makes alot of sense, that 75% of your immune system is in

> > your digestive tract. The downward spiral in my health about 2

years

> > before cancer started with some medicine that ruined my throat and

> > digestive tract.

>

[Guest guest]

>This is why Sharon and I know many others use milk thistle. It helps

>detox the liver and the kidneys and it definately helps the liver

>enzymes stay in the normal range. I was convienced of this after a

>long time friend that I had lost contact with, went through cancer

>treatment and she did not tell the doctor she was taking milk

>thistle, until after they did the bloodwork on her liver. They were

>shocked that the enzymes in the liver were perfect. Then they called

>it snake oil and she was not aware we were taking milk thistle

>ourselves. It's snake oil when they don't understand something or

>the big corporations are not benefiting. Then all of a sudden the

>price triples and you wonder why, then you realize they are using it

>in some of their medications. Now all of a sudden it's a miracle and

>it works.

YES YES YES...

>Just like Guaifenesin to help break up congestion, that they also

>called snake oil. Now you almost can't find an expectorant without

>it, Musinex, is 800 mg. Same as if you bought the pills at the

>health food store, only their it's cheaper. It does work.

>KC

I noticed that many drug store chains have generic guaifenisin now.

BTW, N-acetyl cysteine is similar to Guaifenesin in that it helps you

breathe, but

its also a super antioxidant and anti toxicant..

I think - that almost everyone should take it. Its on the short list of

supps that

really everyone practically could benefit from IMO.

On 2/28/07, mhbarnes_99 <mary.h.barnes@...> wrote:

>

> My understanding is that low MSH does contribute to these problems

> because it's the hormone that controls the secretion of other hormones,

> thus your intestines don't have the levels of hormones that they need

> to rebuild the lining properly, so you get all sorts of GI issues with

> low MSH. That kinda shows up in the Biotoxin pathway diagram in Mold

> Warriors. And, it is true that the largest immune function in our

> bodies is in our GI tract (I've read anywhere from 60-80%), thus when

> you GI tract is unhealthy, you're immune system is underfunctioning and

> I think this is what sets the stage for all these other opportunistic

> infections that we seem to collect and I would say definitely

> contributes to the imbalances like candida, parasites etc. that many of

> us have.

>

> Here's a link that has a discussion of some comprehensive links on the

> role of MSH and the gut:

> http://www.anapsid.org/cnd/diffdx/msh.html

>

> B.

>

>

> > >

> > > This is from the latest ad on some yogurt but I believe it is true

> > > since it makes alot of sense, that 75% of your immune system is in

> > > your digestive tract. The downward spiral in my health about 2

> years

> > > before cancer started with some medicine that ruined my throat and

> > > digestive tract.

> >

>

>

>