Guest guest Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 How would one know if they have parasites??? > I think this is what sets the stage for all these other opportunistic > infections that we seem to collect and I would say definitely > contributes to the imbalances like candida, parasites etc. that many of > us have. > > Here's a link that has a discussion of some comprehensive links on the > role of MSH and the gut: > http://www.anapsid.org/cnd/diffdx/msh.html > > B. > > > > > > Does anyone know if low MSH from mold exposure contributes to these > > digestive problems? > > > > - > > > > --- In , " barb1283 " <barb1283@> wrote: > > > > > > This is from the latest ad on some yogurt but I believe it is true > > > since it makes alot of sense, that 75% of your immune system is in > > > your digestive tract. The downward spiral in my health about 2 > years > > > before cancer started with some medicine that ruined my throat and > > > digestive tract. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 and others, Here is the answer to your question from the doctor who knows all about this issue. These are his words, not mine. KC MSH is intimately involved with maintaining tight junctions in small and large intestine tight junctions between cells. It has anti- inflammatory effects throughout the gut, including stomach. There is a rich literature on MSH and the gastrointestinal tract (71 references popped up on a PubMed search). Low MSH presents a host of GI problems that often include secretory diarrhea, " leaky gut, " inflammatory bowel disease and irritable bowel disease. Reflux is less likely to be due to low MSH than many other factors, however. > > > > This is from the latest ad on some yogurt but I believe it is true > > since it makes alot of sense, that 75% of your immune system is in > > your digestive tract. The downward spiral in my health about 2 years > > before cancer started with some medicine that ruined my throat and > > digestive tract. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnosine I had to look it up, interesting! --- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote: > > I don't know if it is just me but I have found that a little bit of > L-Carnosine mixed into soymilk right before going to sleep does > very good things for my esophageal and stomach issues. Ive been doing it for > a few months and there have been big improvements in the overall > inflammation level for me. > > I buy it in powder form.. the capsules are too expensive. Carnosine tastes > good.. its a little sweet.. > > I don't know if this is the placebo effect.. I do know that Carnosine helps > healing > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 We're animals - we all have parasites... Haley sea <jackiebreeze@...> wrote: How would one know if they have parasites??? > I think this is what sets the stage for all these other opportunistic > infections that we seem to collect and I would say definitely > contributes to the imbalances like candida, parasites etc. that many of > us have. > > Here's a link that has a discussion of some comprehensive links on the > role of MSH and the gut: > http://www.anapsid.org/cnd/diffdx/msh.html > > B. > > > > > > > > This is from the latest ad on some yogurt but I believe it is true > > > since it makes alot of sense, that 75% of your immune system is in > > > your digestive tract. The downward spiral in my health about 2 > years > > > before cancer started with some medicine that ruined my throat and > > > digestive tract. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Well, maybe I need to re-word this. I know kids get pin worms from playing in dirt and with animals and such. They are treated with medication. I am sure the pin worms can cause much illness if left untreated. How do we know if parasites are a problem for us?? I understand we may have a few, just as we can't get away from sleeping with a few dust mites, no matter how clean our sheet are. How do we know when these things become a problem??? What are the symptoms? Are there any tests that can pick up parasites in our bodies???? > > > > > > > > This is from the latest ad on some yogurt but I believe it is > true > > > > since it makes alot of sense, that 75% of your immune system is > in > > > > your digestive tract. The downward spiral in my health about 2 > > years > > > > before cancer started with some medicine that ruined my throat > and > > > > digestive tract. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 When I had a colonopsy and had to drink all that nasty stuff the last thing to pass was what was lineing my stomach and intestine walls, it was white, probably yeast and when it was pasted it left my insides raw. but after a few days my stomach felt alot better than it had for a long time. yes, the reflux gets worse when I eat something that is hardier to digest, grease is probably the worst. I have diagestive enzeime pills, just forget to take them. my many years of dierrhia stopped when I cut those foods from my diet that I'm supposedly allergic too. funny how they all have mold/myco's link to them. mainly corn,milk,yeast,and egges. now I can eat some of these a little but still no corn. do I believe that I really have allergies to these foods? no. maybe a reaction to whats in them? yes. why? because my stomach can have the same reaction from some smells which cause a mcs hit. what I understand leaky gut syndrome to be is the stomach lineing is porus like and reactions to whatever(mold/myco's?) that cause turmoil in your stomach can cause foods to get stuck in this holes and infection and you become sensatized to that food and the next time you eat that same food it causes a reaction. is this what food allergies are? the moist aggervateing of all this to me is trying to wade through all the names that have possably been put on one illness. I used to eat all these foods, all the time so why is it that I only got these stomach problems while I was in a toxic mold environment? I don't know about anyone else but I believe that I can't eat foods that have the same mycotoxins in them that I was exposed too because my whole body has become super reactive to these mycotoxins. I may and probably do have reactions even to some non-toxic molds that I was exposed to, but theres a big difference in effects from molds and myco exposure with me. just like in my homes, the myco exposure caused severe immedite effects, different and not even close to what I may be expierenceing from mold without myco's.I say may because I'm aware that different toxic molds can cause different effects and I dont have a metor attached to tell me exactly what I am breathing. I am happy to report that the dierrhia and stomach rolling,painful gas,ect. is mostly under controll by liveing and learning, and sometimes accures just when I eat something I shouldn't of, or get around a smell that brings it on. proof that what ever your smelling your also eating. proof that all the known effects caused from ingesting moldy/myco foods are the same effects as breathing it in your home. theres not any route of exposure that is not involved when it's in your environment, and continued breathing,eating and soaking it into your skin leaves no part of your body untouched. just my thoughts. > > > > Does anyone know if low MSH from mold exposure contributes to these > > digestive problems? > > > > - > > > > --- In , " barb1283 " <barb1283@> wrote: > > > > > > This is from the latest ad on some yogurt but I believe it is true > > > since it makes alot of sense, that 75% of your immune system is in > > > your digestive tract. The downward spiral in my health about 2 > years > > > before cancer started with some medicine that ruined my throat and > > > digestive tract. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 KC, this is what I have read and that the reason for the acid lying around in your stomach is because there is undigested food there, not emptying into your small intestine because it isn't digested enough and so the fact it is lying around there is reason for the acid burn. There isn't enough acid to digest the food. --- In , " tigerpaw2c " <tigerpaw2c@...> wrote: > >Mold/mycotoxins are more than > capable of doing this on their own. Once you throw one element off > kilter all the others may flourish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Live, did you watch those vedio's on theri meetings I supplied with that post? it was like they were a breath away from saying molds/mycotoxins. danceing all around it. of corse the cause is always unknown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Jackie, Type into your search engine parasites and it should give some good information. > > > > Does anyone know if low MSH from mold exposure contributes to these > > digestive problems? > > > > - > > > > --- In , " barb1283 " <barb1283@> wrote: > > > > > > This is from the latest ad on some yogurt but I believe it is true > > > since it makes alot of sense, that 75% of your immune system is in > > > your digestive tract. The downward spiral in my health about 2 > years > > > before cancer started with some medicine that ruined my throat and > > > digestive tract. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 I don't know if it is tied to low MSH or not but I hope I'm not repeating myself but just the toxic pathologist I talked to said that toxic mold exposure more often first damages the digestive tract and most with toxic exposure have significant damage done to their digestive tract and can die from that alone, because they cannot digest food or get proper nutrient from food, also protective surface of digestive tract that prevents pathogens from entering blood stream, is ruined and allows pathogens to easily go from digestive tract into blood stream, keeping person constantly sick from fighting various infections. > > Does anyone know if low MSH from mold exposure contributes to these > digestive problems? > > - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 also, brain effects can, on theri own control some effects to the stomach, so it might not just matter what is in your stomach, but also whats effecting the brain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Eeek! This probably explains a lot about my family's ill health. We have had to get lots of nutritional support from supplements prescribed by our doctor. Now I am really worried about my too skinny son. Is this from ingesting toxins or inhaling them or both? - I don't know if it is tied to low MSH or not but I hope I'm not repeating myself but just the toxic pathologist I talked to said that toxic mold exposure more often first damages the digestive tract and most with toxic exposure have significant damage done to their digestive tract and can die from that alone, because they cannot digest food or get proper nutrient from food, also protective surface of digestive tract that prevents pathogens from entering blood stream, is ruined and allows pathogens to easily go from digestive tract into blood stream, keeping person constantly sick from fighting various infections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 I did find some good search results but being this was mention here in terms of injunction with mold illness, I can't find any info on how this and mold goes hand in hand. > > > > > > > > This is from the latest ad on some yogurt but I believe it is > true > > > > since it makes alot of sense, that 75% of your immune system > is in > > > > your digestive tract. The downward spiral in my health about > 2 > > years > > > > before cancer started with some medicine that ruined my throat > and > > > > digestive tract. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 When I had heart burn during my pregnacy many years ago, I eased it with papaya enzymes. Now, this reflux is much like the heartburn I had back then but the enzymes do not help with this reflux. Perhaps we are all dealing with something different but same symptoms?? > > > > > > > > Live, > > > > There is a problem though w/seeing doctors sometimes. First you > > > have to get them to agree you have a problem. We have been to 3 > > > gastro doctors. All of which practice out of one of the leading > > > hospitals here. They insist this does not effect kids. One of the > > > doctors saw my daughter the night I brought her to the ER > because the > > > pain was so bad, I thought she was having a heart attack or > > > something. They have told me she is a 100% healthy child. (geez, > > > that just makes me so mad when they say that) My grandmother has > run > > > into the same problem. The have told her not to eat or drink 2-3 > > > hours before going to bed. It's kinda like the mold issue. If > they > > > are not going to agree and help, then after awhile you just give > up > > > and try to fix it yourself. We have been able to do this 95% > > > effective thru diet. Unless she is re-exposed to mold. But, even > > > then it isn't like it was. I am not disagreeing w/you. Just > stating > > > that it is not just as easy as seeing a doctor and getting > diagnosed > > > and getting medication for some of us. You must have wonderful > luck > > > w/doctors. Our luck pretty much sucks w/doctors. > > > > I do agree that this does seem to get worse w/exposure. > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [] Re: Sick Buildings and Reflux - Is > > > this the causal link? > > > > > > > > > > > > All of you people who have this need to see doctors.. and you > > > really > > > > need to see gastroenterologists.. > > > > > > > > Please don't just limp through life.. You (we!) need to get > this > > > treated. > > > > > > > > Prilosec will only help so much.. > > > > > > > > If it ever gets really bad you'll never be the same again.. You > > > start > > > > inhaling stomach acid and your throat swells up and you can't > > > drink or > > > > breathe. When that happened to me it was absolute hell. I > couldn't > > > > work for almost a year. I couldn't sleep. A lot like Jeanine. > > > > > > > > Its absolutely terrifying. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 I don't know that, whether from digesting or inhaling. I do know that digesting toxins the main effect is on digestive tract but pathologist I talked to knows most of my exposure is from inhalation so affect can be from that too, but probably is worse from ingestion certainly. > > Eeek! This probably explains a lot about my family's ill health. We Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 I'm not sure about this but if you were in very moldy conditions at one time, most likely you ate it also on your food. Hate to say that but likely true. > > Eeek! This probably explains a lot about my family's ill health. We Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Jackie, This is what I said, " Parasites are also another real problem that many of us are not aware of and could be very difficult to diagnose. From what I understand we all have them, at what point they start causing us problems, who knows " I never said they go hand and hand. Some professionals consider fungi as parasites because they feed off of their host. But the way we are referring to it here, they are two totally different issues. But parasites can cause a host of problems, very hard to detect even by professionals, that is why I mentioned garlic as a preventative. > > > > > > > > > > This is from the latest ad on some yogurt but I believe it is > > true > > > > > since it makes alot of sense, that 75% of your immune system > > is in > > > > > your digestive tract. The downward spiral in my health about > > 2 > > > years > > > > > before cancer started with some medicine that ruined my > throat > > and > > > > > digestive tract. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Jackie, your digestive tract was probably perfectly healthy then but just affected by bulging uterus. However now you may have some damage to gut so the digestive enzymes will not solve that but still might help you to digest your food better. I have not found the secret to healing my gut yet. Still struggling with that problem. Let you know if I find anything that works. > > When I had heart burn during my pregnacy many years ago, I eased it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 You read the paper at http://www.jci.org/cgi/reprint/107/1/83.pdf and you didn't see how aeroallergens, in this case they used aspergillus fumigatus - was involved? Go to the web page for the full paper at http://www.jci.org/cgi/content/full/107/1/83 and read the 'methods' - section the aeroallergen used to induce the esophagitis was *aspergillus fumigatus* intranasally. (But the esophagitis could probably be induced by other allergens, for example, other aspergillus spp. ) When it gets induced, then someone has also developed hypersensitivity... here is the text: " *Allergen treatment of mice.* A mouse model of allergic lung disease was established using methods described previously (19 <http://www.jci.org/cgi/content/full/107/1/83#B19>, 21 <http://www.jci.org/cgi/content/full/107/1/83#B21>). In brief, mice were lightly anesthetized with Metofane inhalation (methoxy-fluorane; Schering-Plough Animal Health, Union, New Jersey, USA), and 100 µg (50 µl) of *Aspergillus fumigatus* (Bayer Corp., Spokane, Washington, USA), 60 µg (50 µl) of dust mite mixture (Bayer Corp.), or 50 µl of normal saline alone was applied to the nasal or oral cavity using a micropipette with the mouse held in the supine position. After instillation, mice were held upright until alert. In other experiments, 100 µl (100 µg) of *A. fumigatus* was applied to the stomach using an 18-gauge blunt-ended stainless steel animal feeding needle (Popper and Sons Inc., New Hyde Park, New York, USA). After three treatments per week for 3 weeks, mice were sacrificed between 18 and 20 hours after the last intranasal challenge. In some experiments, mice were pretreated by intraperitoneal injection of 0.5, 0.75, and 1.0 mg of anti-mouse IL-5 (TRFK-5) on the first day of the three weekly allergen treatments, respectively (22<http://www.jci.org/cgi/content/full/107/1/83#B22>). Controls were also first treated with the same dose of antibodies before challenging with normal saline. The TRFK-5 hybridoma was purchased from American Type Culture Collection (Rockville, land, USA), grown in ascites fluid, and the antibody was partially purified by ammonium sulfate precipitation. In some experiments, anesthetized mice were exposed to nine doses (25 µl) of intranasal *Ascaris* pseudocoelomic fluid (APF; a kind gift of ph Urban, US Department of Agriculture, Bellville, land, USA, and Fred Finkelman, University of Cincinnati, Cincinnati, Ohio, USA) (23<http://www.jci.org/cgi/content/full/107/1/83#B23> -26 <http://www.jci.org/cgi/content/full/107/1/83#B26>) on alternate days and analyzed 18 hours after the last allergen challenge. In other experiments, mice were sensitized by intraperitoneal injection of 50 µg of ovalbumin (OVA) and 1 mg alum in 0.9% sterile saline on two occasions separated by 14 days. On day 15, mice were subsequently anesthetized and intranasally exposed to 150 µg of OVA (50 µl) on seven occasions over 10 days, followed by analysis 18 hours after the last dose. " ** So, see how they use aspergillus in the methods part of the paper? Thats what is being done to induce the experimental eosiniphilic esophagitis state. Then go down to the very end summary and read this: " In summary, these investigations dissect the cellular and molecular mechanisms involved in eosinophil homing into the esophagus. We demonstrate that intranasal allergen exposure induces marked eosinophil infiltration into the esophagus. This suggests that eosinophilic esophagitis can be mediated by extrinsic allergens and establishes a causal link between the development of allergic hypersensitivity in the respiratory tract and in the esophagus, implicating an etiologic role for aeroallergens in the pathogenesis of esophagitis. We propose that aeroallergens may be contributing to the pathogenesis of esophageal inflammation in a subset of patients with primary eosinophilic esophagitis and gastroesophageal reflux disorders. These results suggest that a subgroup of patients with eosinophilic esophagitis may benefit from control of aeroallergen sensitization and/or exposure. Furthermore, the demonstration that IL-5, which is required for pulmonary eosinophilia, is also required for eosinophil infiltration in the esophagus further substantiates immunological cooperativity between the immune responses in the lung and esophagus. It has long been debated whether eosinophils have a pathological role in gastrointestinal inflammatory disorders. The demonstration that allergen-induced epithelial hyperplasia is ablated in IL-5 gene-targeted mice indicates that eosinophils are likely to be causally related to gastrointestinal pathology. These data suggest that anti–IL-5 therapy, which is currently being tested for the treatment of asthma, may be a rational approach for the treatment of eosinophilic esophageal disorders. It is hoped that this novel experimental regime for the induction of eosinophilic esophagitis will facilitate future investigations designed to understand the pathophysiology and treatment of inflammatory disorders of the esophagus. " Don't read every last thing into this. Its very specific what it says. In my eyes what it says is that mold exposure can cause a particularly nasty disease, eosinophilc esophagitis, that looks a lot like GERD, but isn't GERD, and that that disease is caused by allergic sensitization by aeroallergens like aspergillus. I don't know if allergic sensitization can be reversed. Basically, it means you get very sick in this inflammatory 'eosinophilic' way when you are exposed to mold.. The disease state is particularly nasty form of sensitization, not quite as bad as (also eosinophilic) athsma, because it can't suffocate you to death, but close. I came close to not being able to breathe, I certainly could not eat or drink, when it swelled up in me.. It was a nightmare. i was breathing stomach acid and my lungs were scarred badly. I could feel the scars in there.. Sometimes when it flares up, I still can feel some kind of scar in there. Okay, now does it make sense to everybody? 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Guest guest Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 I am just assuming that if we have lived for several years in a moldy home we have ingested a fair amount of " stuff. " Clearly, what we inhale also moves throughout our body and could end up anywhere. - I don't know that, whether from digesting or inhaling. I do know that digesting toxins the main effect is on digestive tract but pathologist I talked to knows most of my exposure is from inhalation so affect can be from that too, but probably is worse from ingestion certainly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 What I'm trying myself right now is 'EleCare' by Ross Pharmaceuticals, hypoallergenic formula to get amino acids and nutrition. I would like to use this for all meals for awhile to give my gi tract and stomach some rest from allergens and hopefully get in better nutrition but it doesn't satisfy me. I need more 'fiber' than I get from a liquid meal. I may try to make a smoothie with banana and put some fibrous stuff in it and see if that helps to use product alone. Right now I am only using it for one meal. I also am trying something called 'Intestimend' by BrainChild Nutritionals. I have no opinion now about that. I just got it. I'll let you know how it goes. > > Eeek! This probably explains a lot about my family's ill health. We > have had to get lots of nutritional support from supplements prescribed > by our doctor. Now I am really worried about my too skinny son. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Would that this common sense thought made sense to any of our folks who uphold the standards of SCIENCE - * Dolby intro heard in the background...* ~Haley <smarshwar@...> wrote: I am just assuming that if we have lived for several years in a moldy home we have ingested a fair amount of " stuff. " Clearly, what we inhale also moves throughout our body and could end up anywhere. - I don't know that, whether from digesting or inhaling. I do know that digesting toxins the main effect is on digestive tract but pathologist I talked to knows most of my exposure is from inhalation so affect can be from that too, but probably is worse from ingestion certainly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Some amino acids need to be taken without others in order to be absorbed properly..And your food consumption in other areas can result in a lot of differences in how you metabolize aminos.. even under the best of conditions.. This happens particularly with tyrosine/phenylalanine being converted to norepinephrine and dopamine (in the AM) and tryptophan to serotonin (in the PM) One of the reasons people whose tryptophan metabolism is way out of whack often eat so many carbs is because they are desperately trying to increase serotonin conversion from dietary tryptophan and insulin production (in response to carb consumption) suppresses tryptophan pyrrolase temporarily.. increasing the amount of tryptophan that makes it into serotonin in the brain. A similar situation in some respects exists in the morning with the catecholamine precursors tyrosine and phenylalanine .. they compete with several other molecules for transport. So people who want to get maximum benefit from tyrosine should take it in the morning on a completely empty stomach. There are other issues with those aminos too but those are the major ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Thanks Barb!! I would love anything that helps. Seems I had more gastro problems since the mold thing. I feel many of my issues are the lowering of my immune system due to mold. One thing though, ater 5 years, I am better so there is life after mold. I can now walk a couple of miles a day, this is something I could not do a year ago. Today was a bad day so I only made it around a block. I live in the woods so I walk the woods but have about figured out what a block is. I feel bad today, tongue is sore. Usually Mom's advice to suck on a Rolaid works for tongue soreness because the mouth is part of digestive system but that did not work today. I have been having my breathing issues again. I felt almost 99% better for a couple of weeks which is more than normal so maybe there is light at the end of a moldy tunnel!! I stil need a good doctor. I wish I could go to one of the good enviromental doctors but as we discussed awhile back, non in this neck of the woods and I don't have money to travel. Maybe I can in time! > > > > When I had heart burn during my pregnacy many years ago, I eased it > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Yes, I do see how inhaled allergens can cause esophagitis. It seems that the cytokine response is involved here. It is quite interesting that something which inflames the lung would also affect the esophagus. Honestly, this is a bit over my head. I wonder if treatments to help the immune system would help with this problem. - --- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote: You read the paper at http://www.jci.org/cgi/reprint/107/1/83.pdf and you didn't see how aeroallergens, in this case they used aspergillus fumigatus - was involved? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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