Anti Depressants

[Guest guest]

Please someone respond to me. I am not getting any better on the

amrour and medrol. I am so depressed. I called my doctor and he is

starting me on cymbalta. I do not know what to do because I can not

deal with depression and suidal issues. They will not stop. Til my

thyroid levels get better, I thought taking an anti-depressant would

help get through this awful time. I don't think I will survive this.

I posted this to other site, but wonder what you think

about the

> adrenal connection. What I didn't say before was that I took HC this

> week because I'd reach desperation. I took 5 mg Tues, then 10 Wed

> and Thurs, and back to 5 Fri, and none today because I was afraid I

> shouldn't have started taking it.

>

> The interesting thing is I found that I seem to be better last night

> and today. Any connection? The original post follows.

>

> I began taking Armour in December 2004. I've been at my current dose

> of 5 grains for 3 months. This last month or so I have found myself

> to be very irritable, shaky when I get upset, tired when I get up,

> pounding heart when I lay down to sleep (It seems I hear the blood

> swishing in my ears)and my face is broke out. Now last week I had a

> case of shingles.

>

> I feel like I have perpetual PMS as far as my " aggravation " at

> everything my kids or dh do. I find myself flying off the handle and

> saying things that make me cringe. I am 40 years old and have had my

> periods coming closer together (every 21 days) though right now I

> really don't know where I am with that, but think I'm due to start.

> (Busy month and didn't write last on the calendar)

>

> Do you think I may be taking too much Armour? My temps are usually

> 98.4 - 98.6 and never higher unless I'm sick. I haven't had my FT3

> and FT4 levels checked in a while since I take a good bit more

> Armour than doc prescribes. I may have to bite the bullet and go

> in. I can't deal with me like this. I don't want my children's

> memories of me to be some raging lunatic. I mentioned going back on

> prozac to dh and he quickly said I should. Does that tell you how

> I've been acting?

>

> I do have some hc I ordered online, but have not done salavia

> testing for adrenals. I had ferritin checked recently and it was 70.

> Optimal is 70-90, right? I really don't want to be on prozac, but I

> don't know what to do. I can't seem to find " me " lately. I will be

> HS my kids this year, so I must be able to remain on an even keel.

> Any suggestions? Thanks for any input.

>

>

>

> _

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

My favorite antidepressant is SAMe. You can get it at iHerb.com. It does not

have the problems of Prozac and the other prescription antidepressants, and yet

for most people it is just as effective. The primary side effects are good

ones, like helping your liver. It works fine with Armour. Zoe

Anti Depressants

Please someone respond to me. I am not getting any better on the

amrour and medrol. I am so depressed. I called my doctor and he is

starting me on cymbalta. I do not know what to do because I can not

deal with depression and suidal issues. They will not stop. Til my

thyroid levels get better, I thought taking an anti-depressant would

help get through this awful time. I don't think I will survive this.

I posted this to other site, but wonder what you think

about the

> adrenal connection. What I didn't say before was that I took HC this

> week because I'd reach desperation. I took 5 mg Tues, then 10 Wed

> and Thurs, and back to 5 Fri, and none today because I was afraid I

> shouldn't have started taking it.

>

> The interesting thing is I found that I seem to be better last night

> and today. Any connection? The original post follows.

>

> I began taking Armour in December 2004. I've been at my current dose

> of 5 grains for 3 months. This last month or so I have found myself

> to be very irritable, shaky when I get upset, tired when I get up,

> pounding heart when I lay down to sleep (It seems I hear the blood

> swishing in my ears)and my face is broke out. Now last week I had a

> case of shingles.

>

> I feel like I have perpetual PMS as far as my " aggravation " at

> everything my kids or dh do. I find myself flying off the handle and

> saying things that make me cringe. I am 40 years old and have had my

> periods coming closer together (every 21 days) though right now I

> really don't know where I am with that, but think I'm due to start.

> (Busy month and didn't write last on the calendar)

>

> Do you think I may be taking too much Armour? My temps are usually

> 98.4 - 98.6 and never higher unless I'm sick. I haven't had my FT3

> and FT4 levels checked in a while since I take a good bit more

> Armour than doc prescribes. I may have to bite the bullet and go

> in. I can't deal with me like this. I don't want my children's

> memories of me to be some raging lunatic. I mentioned going back on

> prozac to dh and he quickly said I should. Does that tell you how

> I've been acting?

>

> I do have some hc I ordered online, but have not done salavia

> testing for adrenals. I had ferritin checked recently and it was 70.

> Optimal is 70-90, right? I really don't want to be on prozac, but I

> don't know what to do. I can't seem to find " me " lately. I will be

> HS my kids this year, so I must be able to remain on an even keel.

> Any suggestions? Thanks for any input.

>

>

>

> _

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I have read many of the posts today, and unfortunately there is much despair and

pain that many are expriencing. I would like to simply address, yet not forgo

the human condition of the physical body, but please do not forget that you are

just your physical body, but much much more. For within your heart dwells true

divinity, that knows not of the pain of the physical and knows true joy love and

compassion. I think sometimes we get so caught up (this totally includes me) in

what is appearing in the physical we forget about our true nature. Of course it

is absolutely necessary to do all in one's power to become healthy thru all the

great technology and medicine available, however do not forget that that there

are powers far greater than we can imagine to help us when things seem so very

dark and desperate. Do not hesitate to call to the holy angels, they will come

to your side instantly. I will also pray for you to Mother for you comfort

and assistance. Though it may

not appear at this moment, your life is PRECIOUS, and things will get better,

please have hope, it these things too shall pass.

mem_mem_me wrote:

Please someone respond to me. I am not getting any better on the

amrour and medrol. I am so depressed. I called my doctor and he is

starting me on cymbalta. I do not know what to do because I can not

deal with depression and suidal issues. They will not stop. Til my

thyroid levels get better, I thought taking an anti-depressant would

help get through this awful time. I don't think I will survive this.

I posted this to other site, but wonder what you think

about the

> adrenal connection. What I didn't say before was that I took HC this

> week because I'd reach desperation. I took 5 mg Tues, then 10 Wed

> and Thurs, and back to 5 Fri, and none today because I was afraid I

> shouldn't have started taking it.

>

> The interesting thing is I found that I seem to be better last night

> and today. Any connection? The original post follows.

>

> I began taking Armour in December 2004. I've been at my current dose

> of 5 grains for 3 months. This last month or so I have found myself

> to be very irritable, shaky when I get upset, tired when I get up,

> pounding heart when I lay down to sleep (It seems I hear the blood

> swishing in my ears)and my face is broke out. Now last week I had a

> case of shingles.

>

> I feel like I have perpetual PMS as far as my " aggravation " at

> everything my kids or dh do. I find myself flying off the handle and

> saying things that make me cringe. I am 40 years old and have had my

> periods coming closer together (every 21 days) though right now I

> really don't know where I am with that, but think I'm due to start.

> (Busy month and didn't write last on the calendar)

>

> Do you think I may be taking too much Armour? My temps are usually

> 98.4 - 98.6 and never higher unless I'm sick. I haven't had my FT3

> and FT4 levels checked in a while since I take a good bit more

> Armour than doc prescribes. I may have to bite the bullet and go

> in. I can't deal with me like this. I don't want my children's

> memories of me to be some raging lunatic. I mentioned going back on

> prozac to dh and he quickly said I should. Does that tell you how

> I've been acting?

>

> I do have some hc I ordered online, but have not done salavia

> testing for adrenals. I had ferritin checked recently and it was 70.

> Optimal is 70-90, right? I really don't want to be on prozac, but I

> don't know what to do. I can't seem to find " me " lately. I will be

> HS my kids this year, so I must be able to remain on an even keel.

> Any suggestions? Thanks for any input.

>

>

>

> _

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

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>

[Guest guest]

It sounds like you had a thyroid dump. I had no way of knowing this on

the main list, because you didn't tell us that you'd taken HC.

NOW you know why we say to start it S L O W L Y and reduce or even stop

the Armour before beginning. You will be fine! Just reduce the Armour,

and since you probably had a thyroid dump, you probably need that HC ...

but follow 's instructions this time, okay?

{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

Deborah

mem_mem_me wrote:

>

> Please someone respond to me. I am not getting any better on the

> amrour and medrol. I am so depressed. I called my doctor and he is

> starting me on cymbalta. I do not know what to do because I can not

> deal with depression and suidal issues. They will not stop. Til my

> thyroid levels get better, I thought taking an anti-depressant would

> help get through this awful time. I don't think I will survive this.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Deborah

I found your comments very reasurring, it sounds like you have been down this

path a while. What kind of meds do you currently take you sound like you are

doing really great

Deborah Jacques wrote:

It sounds like you had a thyroid dump. I had no way of knowing this on

the main list, because you didn't tell us that you'd taken HC.

NOW you know why we say to start it S L O W L Y and reduce or even stop

the Armour before beginning. You will be fine! Just reduce the Armour,

and since you probably had a thyroid dump, you probably need that HC ...

but follow 's instructions this time, okay?

{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

Deborah

mem_mem_me wrote:

>

> Please someone respond to me. I am not getting any better on the

> amrour and medrol. I am so depressed. I called my doctor and he is

> starting me on cymbalta. I do not know what to do because I can not

> deal with depression and suidal issues. They will not stop. Til my

> thyroid levels get better, I thought taking an anti-depressant would

> help get through this awful time. I don't think I will survive this.

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I wouldn't say that I'm doing GREAT yet, but I will be! It'll take some

time. I was hypo with adrenal fatigue symptoms for 30 years and it'll

take a while to heal.

I'm on 4-3/4 grains Armour and 15mg HC right now. I just dropped the HC

from 20, after being on 30mg for about 6 months, and 20mg for a few

months before that.

I joined the main NTH group in March last year, I think ... started

Armour May 1, etc etc ... :-)

Deborah

duane dorman wrote:

> Deborah

>

> I found your comments very reasurring, it sounds like you have been

> down this path a while. What kind of meds do you currently take you

> sound like you are doing really great

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Deborah,

Forgive me if I already asked you this, but how has

adding HC been for you? HAve you had any wierd side

effects - weight gain etc?

SAMMIE

--- Deborah Jacques wrote:

> I wouldn't say that I'm doing GREAT yet, but I will

> be! It'll take some

> time. I was hypo with adrenal fatigue symptoms for

> 30 years and it'll

> take a while to heal.

>

> I'm on 4-3/4 grains Armour and 15mg HC right now. I

> just dropped the HC

> from 20, after being on 30mg for about 6 months, and

> 20mg for a few

> months before that.

>

> I joined the main NTH group in March last year, I

> think ... started

> Armour May 1, etc etc ... :-)

>

> Deborah

>

> duane dorman wrote:

>

> > Deborah

> >

> > I found your comments very reasurring, it sounds

> like you have been

> > down this path a while. What kind of meds do you

> currently take you

> > sound like you are doing really great

> >

> >

> >

>

>

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[Guest guest]

My total T4 and T3 were both below range. Cortisol wasn't tested until

after I'd been on Armour for over 3 months, and it was around 13.5 right

after we'd had a disagreement at the doc's office, gone a mile or so to

the lab, watched my husband and daughter have approximately 30 tubes of

blood drawn from each, and the tube come disconnected from its cap when

they were drawing from my husband, spraying blood all over the place.

All without having eaten, and having been up for a while during the

night because we were in a strange place, HOPING for a doc who would

help us. I'd guess that my cortisol would have been lower without all

the drama. ;-)

According to women should have AM cortisol of at least 20, and

men's needs to be higher--I don't remember exactly what he recommended.

25, maybe?

Deborah

duane dorman wrote:

> It has probably been a while, but do you know what your labs were for

> Thyroid and Adrenals before you started taking Armour and HC, I am in

> the process of getting tested. I am hoping my labs are indicitave of

> how I feel, as often this is not the case... I know I am hypoT and

> adrenals fatigued....thx!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

All that HC did was help me, dramatically! I was able to use the Armour

I was taking, so I lost weight. I was able to safely and slowly

increase my Armour. My adrenals have had a chance to rest and heal, so

now I'm weaning off of it with no problem whatsoever.

I seriously don't believe that the low doses we take can have the side

effects listed for the stuff, simply because we are replacing what our

adrenals are unable to make. If taking it orally would have those side

effects, so would having normally functioning adrenal glands.

Make sense?

Deborah

Sammie Baker wrote:

> Deborah,

>

> Forgive me if I already asked you this, but how has

> adding HC been for you? HAve you had any wierd side

> effects - weight gain etc?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes! I feel so much better about switching to HC. I

was worried, but not now.

Thanks!

SAMMIE

--- Deborah Jacques wrote:

> All that HC did was help me, dramatically! I was

> able to use the Armour

> I was taking, so I lost weight. I was able to

> safely and slowly

> increase my Armour. My adrenals have had a chance

> to rest and heal, so

> now I'm weaning off of it with no problem

> whatsoever.

>

> I seriously don't believe that the low doses we take

> can have the side

> effects listed for the stuff, simply because we are

> replacing what our

> adrenals are unable to make. If taking it orally

> would have those side

> effects, so would having normally functioning

> adrenal glands.

>

> Make sense?

> Deborah

>

> Sammie Baker wrote:

>

> > Deborah,

> >

> > Forgive me if I already asked you this, but how

> has

> > adding HC been for you? HAve you had any wierd

> side

> > effects - weight gain etc?

> >

> >

> >

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Thanks you and ditto. That is what keeps me going and my precious

daughter. My blood work showed that my T3 and T4 was over the top of

the range. I have been hyper thyroid and did not even realize it. I

get this way when I am hyper. I have hashi's and I bounce back and

forthe . It is so difficult to deal with

Thanks

Ellen-

-- In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , duane dorman

wrote:

>

> I have read many of the posts today, and unfortunately there is much

despair and pain that many are expriencing. I would like to simply

address, yet not forgo the human condition of the physical body, but

please do not forget that you are just your physical body, but much

much more. For within your heart dwells true divinity, that knows not

of the pain of the physical and knows true joy love and compassion. I

think sometimes we get so caught up (this totally includes me) in what

is appearing in the physical we forget about our true nature. Of

course it is absolutely necessary to do all in one's power to become

healthy thru all the great technology and medicine available, however

do not forget that that there are powers far greater than we can

imagine to help us when things seem so very dark and desperate. Do not

hesitate to call to the holy angels, they will come to your side

instantly. I will also pray for you to Mother for you comfort and

assistance. Though it may

> not appear at this moment, your life is PRECIOUS, and things will

get better, please have hope, it these things too shall pass.

>

>

>

> mem_mem_me wrote:

>

> Please someone respond to me. I am not getting any better on the

> amrour and medrol. I am so depressed. I called my doctor and he is

> starting me on cymbalta. I do not know what to do because I can not

> deal with depression and suidal issues. They will not stop. Til my

> thyroid levels get better, I thought taking an anti-depressant would

> help get through this awful time. I don't think I will survive this.

>

>

> I posted this to other site, but wonder what you think

> about the

> > adrenal connection. What I didn't say before was that I took HC this

> > week because I'd reach desperation. I took 5 mg Tues, then 10 Wed

> > and Thurs, and back to 5 Fri, and none today because I was afraid I

> > shouldn't have started taking it.

> >

> > The interesting thing is I found that I seem to be better last night

> > and today. Any connection? The original post follows.

> >

> > I began taking Armour in December 2004. I've been at my current dose

> > of 5 grains for 3 months. This last month or so I have found myself

> > to be very irritable, shaky when I get upset, tired when I get up,

> > pounding heart when I lay down to sleep (It seems I hear the blood

> > swishing in my ears)and my face is broke out. Now last week I had a

> > case of shingles.

> >

> > I feel like I have perpetual PMS as far as my " aggravation " at

> > everything my kids or dh do. I find myself flying off the handle and

> > saying things that make me cringe. I am 40 years old and have had my

> > periods coming closer together (every 21 days) though right now I

> > really don't know where I am with that, but think I'm due to start.

> > (Busy month and didn't write last on the calendar)

> >

> > Do you think I may be taking too much Armour? My temps are usually

> > 98.4 - 98.6 and never higher unless I'm sick. I haven't had my FT3

> > and FT4 levels checked in a while since I take a good bit more

> > Armour than doc prescribes. I may have to bite the bullet and go

> > in. I can't deal with me like this. I don't want my children's

> > memories of me to be some raging lunatic. I mentioned going back on

> > prozac to dh and he quickly said I should. Does that tell you how

> > I've been acting?

> >

> > I do have some hc I ordered online, but have not done salavia

> > testing for adrenals. I had ferritin checked recently and it was 70.

> > Optimal is 70-90, right? I really don't want to be on prozac, but I

> > don't know what to do. I can't seem to find " me " lately. I will be

> > HS my kids this year, so I must be able to remain on an even keel.

> > Any suggestions? Thanks for any input.

> >

> >

> >

> > _

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls.

> Great rates starting at 1¢/min.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

GOOD!!! Cuz if you need it, it's more dangerous NOT to take it than the

side effects could be.

Deborah

Sammie Baker wrote:

> Yes! I feel so much better about switching to HC. I

> was worried, but not now.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

There are lots of potential side effects, but only at the high doses

prescribed for inflammation. Not for the low doses we use. If you want

to see what they are, you can do a search and find it pretty easily.

Deborah

Pamela wrote:

> Deborah,

>

> What are the side effects of taking HC?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Deborah,

You stated that their are side effect at low does.

That is what I was asking for.

Love,

Pamela

Deborah Jacques wrote:

There are lots of potential side effects, but only at the high doses

prescribed for inflammation. Not for the low doses we use. If you want

to see what they are, you can do a search and find it pretty easily.

Deborah

Pamela wrote:

> Deborah,

>

> What are the side effects of taking HC?

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Deborah,

This reply was for Ellen right? I am confused when you refer to

the other site and having not told that they'd taken HC. You did

answer my post on the other site, but I didn't write the post

regarding Medrol.

I felt crazy BEFORE I took any HC, but didn't seem to experience any

dump that I can tell. Just seemed profoundly better today.

Kris

>

> >

> > Please someone respond to me. I am not getting any better on the

> > amrour and medrol. I am so depressed. I called my doctor and he

is

> > starting me on cymbalta. I do not know what to do because I can

not

> > deal with depression and suidal issues. They will not stop. Til

my

> > thyroid levels get better, I thought taking an anti-depressant

would

> > help get through this awful time. I don't think I will survive

this.

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Me too, I am hoping I can take Armour or Thryolar as I continue to build my

adrenals, as noted I am using Isocort, but really feel like HC would be much

better.

Sammie Baker wrote: Yes! I feel so much better

about switching to HC. I

was worried, but not now.

Thanks!

SAMMIE

--- Deborah Jacques wrote:

> All that HC did was help me, dramatically! I was

> able to use the Armour

> I was taking, so I lost weight. I was able to

> safely and slowly

> increase my Armour. My adrenals have had a chance

> to rest and heal, so

> now I'm weaning off of it with no problem

> whatsoever.

>

> I seriously don't believe that the low doses we take

> can have the side

> effects listed for the stuff, simply because we are

> replacing what our

> adrenals are unable to make. If taking it orally

> would have those side

> effects, so would having normally functioning

> adrenal glands.

>

> Make sense?

> Deborah

>

> Sammie Baker wrote:

>

> > Deborah,

> >

> > Forgive me if I already asked you this, but how

> has

> > adding HC been for you? HAve you had any wierd

> side

> > effects - weight gain etc?

> >

> >

> >

>

>

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