Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Posted November 27, 2006 My son , who is also " 50% " , went home 16 hours after birth. Really, they messed up.... because had not had a bowel movement. Turns out, my son also had a bowel disease called Hirschsprung's Disease (there is a correlation between it and down's... but small, maybe 2% chance), and he couldn't have a bowel movement at all. I brought him back to the hospital the next morning, vomiting bile, and he was admitted... But, he was not hospitalized at all at birth due to 'mosaic down syndrome'.....actually, that wasn't even diagnosed until he was 16 months old! Angel Mom to , 13, MDS/HD Quote
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Posted November 27, 2006 was in the NICU for 2 1/2 weeks due to her ASD and low oxygen levels. She was on oxygen at home for an additional two months. It was during her NICU stay that they consulted genetics due to low muscle tone and subtle features. Down Syndrome was never brought up as a possibility. I also had a negative amnio during pregnancy so they were not too worried that anything would show up on testing. and (14 months old MTDS) Quote
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Posted November 27, 2006 ... Maybe I'm playing devil's advocate a little here....but.... if they'd done NO testing of any kind, when they were concerned about " something " .... would you have been happier? I guess I'm just thinking, so many kids...well patients in general...just get kinda rushed through, and sometimes you have to yell, kick and scream to get anyone to hear you when you say something is wrong. Maybe it was overkill, but it seems like the hospital was trying to run every test they could to guarantee he was ok??? SOMETHING must have had them concerned.... Angel Mom to Quote
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Posted November 27, 2006 thanks for the input. I suppose I am asking because the hospital kept my son for 19 days running test after test. All tests had negative results, meaning there was nothing at all found wrong with him. Originally they said 100% Trisomy 21. Thank God for the genticist I found and he redid 500 cells versus 20 cells (typically done). Wow, what a difference between 100% and 50%. My guess is that a repeat of this same test in 3 more years will show even a lesser percentage (just seeing how my other children have grown and developed). <Without a karyotype, no one is aware that any of us have Down Syndrome of any type because the features change as we grow. Even my sydney line from birth changed over time and it is not present now.> The only physical features my son had were slight upslanting eyes and pectus excavatum (both inherited traits). As far as low muscle tone or low set ears or feeding problems, there were none. I have been asked why he stayed in the hospital so long. After reviewing his medical file (what I was able to obtain), he had discharge orders for the second day of life, yet they kept him 17 more days doing test after test. I was trying to determine whether or not this is normal and my guess is that it is not normal at all. He was born at home a little early (if 38-42 weeks is term, then he was one week early). He had trouble breathing due to his pectus excavatum, but the ambulance resolved that and then transported him to a nearby hospital to be checked. I just thought that was excessive checking, and I was trying to get a sense for how long typically the stay for testing normally is across the country. I find it so disheartening that with even a blood test that most of do not know whether our child has MDS or Trisomy 21. Although every child is different, my guess is that the fewer affected cells, the less likely there is harm to the body. (I guess that all depends on where the cells are located?) We are working on a mandatory law to test a minimum of 500 cells rather than 20 cells in order to get a more accurate diagnosis. Some people (I have learned) think it does not matter whether the diagnosis is Trisomy 21 or Mosaic Down Syndrome (or any other type for that matter); however, I must beg to differ that there must be some difference or " they " would not have come up with the various types in the first place. I am very fortunate to have all of my children virtually clear of health issues. Sure, we each are very prone to respiratory illnesses like the common cold or basic sinus allergies, but all my children (except Charlie Hart, the male) have perfect vision and the doctor said they will likely never need glasses, which is good. Additionally, none of them have heart problems and get a full clean bill of health with cholesterol, CBC, and Thyroid. I do have a lot to be thankful for in that respect. After what happened to Charlie Hart after birth (extended stay and so many unnecessary tests), I am very leary of doing anything else major to him. I do not want him to lose his sight in either eye, but I do not want to make it worse, add more radiation to his body (since Xrays are cumulative and never leave the body), or better yet lose him altogether. I just cannot seem to get past what they did to him (without reason, without consent, and against a court order to refrain from doing so). I guess I am just trying to find out " why? " and trying to determine is this treatment was normal or abnormal compared to everyone else. It seems that even with major surgery or medical problems, his stay should not have been that long. _________________________________________________________________ Get FREE company branded e-mail accounts and business Web site from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ Quote
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2006 Report Posted November 28, 2006 >Assuming you want the truthful answer, yes. My other three children who I know now have MDS had the exact opposite. First was a c-section (don't want to go there again) and last three were intentional homebirths. I am grateful that the ambulance arrived and successfully got him breathing in time. However, I am ungrateful that they did all those tests to my son (including the DNA karyotype which I declined) without reason. I guess what I am trying to say is if they had a " medical indication " to perform those tests, then i would have been grateful. There was no medical reason other than their " misdiagnosis " of " trisomy 21 " . They injected him repeatedly with harmful antibiotics (which we are allergic to) and radiated him with unusual doses of radiation for reasons they caused (anaphylaxis). What really made me mad was that they tried to blame me for the anaphylaxis. I don't know, they did a number on him and us. That I know for sure. All of my current doctors know in advance that I strictly prohibit karyotyping for at least 3 months. And they also know that no mention of DS is allowed. However, if there is an imminent problem, (like life-threatening emergency) then they are tio address that problem only. I already know what I to expect (MDS) and it does not bother me in the slightest. It would bother me if they go against my wishes (again) and do the genetic identity tests without my consent and against the law, again. I am the type person that I do not look for medical problems without reason. If it ain't broke, why bother trying to fix it. In CH's case, they were looking for a problem and seemed to be angry that they could not find one; unfortunately, they did this at his expense as well as ours. Just reading all the responses regarding this, I now know they did us wrong in the worst way. I did not think that there was a reason without medical evidence to support it (heart murmur, breathing issues, etc...) to hold a child and continue to probe. I just wanted to check and make sure. All of your responses will continue to be helpful to me and I sure appreciate the responses. Thank you. Now, I am a bit wiser and I am nipping it in the bud before the birth of our next son. Thanks so much for the responses. :0) _________________________________________________________________ Fixing up the home? Live Search can help http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improve & locale=en-US\ & source=hmemailtaglinenov06 & FORM=WLMTAG Quote
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2006 Report Posted November 30, 2006 , Sorry, I have not read all of the emails that have been shared lately. Am I understanding correctly that you have 4 children with MDS? And do you yourself have MDS? I am a bit confused. Thanks for the clarification Angie mom to Ollie 2 months > >Reply-To: MosaicDS >To: MosaicDS >Subject: Re: What was the hospital stay for your child immediately >following bir... >Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 19:25:19 -0500 > > > > > >Assuming you want the truthful answer, yes. >My other three children who I know now have MDS had the exact opposite. >First was a c-section (don't want to go there again) and last three were >intentional homebirths. >I am grateful that the ambulance arrived and successfully got him breathing >in time. However, I am ungrateful that they did all those tests to my son >(including the DNA karyotype which I declined) without reason. I guess what >I am trying to say is if they had a " medical indication " to perform those >tests, then i would have been grateful. There was no medical reason other >than their " misdiagnosis " of " trisomy 21 " . They injected him repeatedly >with >harmful antibiotics (which we are allergic to) and radiated him with >unusual >doses of radiation for reasons they caused (anaphylaxis). What really made >me mad was that they tried to blame me for the anaphylaxis. >I don't know, they did a number on him and us. >That I know for sure. >All of my current doctors know in advance that I strictly prohibit >karyotyping for at least 3 months. And they also know that no mention of DS >is allowed. However, if there is an imminent problem, (like >life-threatening >emergency) then they are tio address that problem only. I already know what >I to expect (MDS) and it does not bother me in the slightest. It would >bother me if they go against my wishes (again) and do the genetic identity >tests without my consent and against the law, again. >I am the type person that I do not look for medical problems without >reason. >If it ain't broke, why bother trying to fix it. >In CH's case, they were looking for a problem and seemed to be angry that >they could not find one; unfortunately, they did this at his expense as >well >as ours. >Just reading all the responses regarding this, I now know they did us >wrong >in the worst way. I did not think that there was a reason without medical >evidence to support it (heart murmur, breathing issues, etc...) to hold a >child and continue to probe. I just wanted to check and make sure. >All of your responses will continue to be helpful to me and I sure >appreciate the responses. Thank you. >Now, I am a bit wiser and I am nipping it in the bud before the birth of >our >next son. >Thanks so much for the responses. :0) > >_________________________________________________________________ >Fixing up the home? Live Search can help >http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improve & locale=en-U\ S & source=hmemailtaglinenov06 & FORM=WLMTAG > _________________________________________________________________ Get the latest Windows Live Messenger 8.1 Beta version. Join now. http://ideas.live.com Quote
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2006 Report Posted November 30, 2006 You are understanding correctly. Apparently my sibs, my nieces amd nephews and my maternal lineage does as well. We are waiting on the chromosomal results for all. (My son had his back first.) Apparently, my 20 year old displays a majority of the symptoms. We think my husband may have it also. The geneticist says it is familial and inherited, but we are currently looking into blood only. http://discoverspaces.live.com?source=hmtag1 & loc=us Quote
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2006 Report Posted November 30, 2006 , Has your family been diagnosed with the Mosaic Translocation Downs (MTDS)? It was my understanding from my son's genetics counseling that the translocation was the form that was passed on. The other forms were just a chromosomal mix up of the egg or sperm. I would be very interested to hear the results of your families tests, if you don't mind sharing. I have been trying to learn as much as I can about MDS since my sons diagnosis in Setpember, and what you are sharing is new information that I haven't heard of before about MDS. Thanks, Angie > >Reply-To: MosaicDS >To: <mosaicds > >Subject: RE: What was the hospital stay for your child immediately >following bir... >Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:01:27 -0500 > >You are understanding correctly. Apparently my sibs, my nieces amd nephews >and my maternal lineage does as well. We are waiting on the chromosomal >results for all. (My son had his back first.) Apparently, my 20 year old >displays a majority of the symptoms. We think my husband may have it also. >The geneticist says it is familial and inherited, but we are currently >looking into blood only. > > > > >http://discoverspaces.live.com?source=hmtag1 & loc=us > > Quote
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2006 Report Posted November 30, 2006 No, Mosaic Trisomy 21. And you are right to say you have never heard of it. There was some research done on inherited trisomies and I am pestering my geneticist for it now (he told me I had to keep on him to remind him to ask someone for it). We are so excited because we are changing history and the way Down Syndrome is looked at in general. If indeed it is true that Mosaic DS is caused after conception then the fluke occurs without fail in our family. However, we believe currently that it is passed down as an inheritance before conception. This is what we are trying to find out. Kristy was going to try to get him (the geneticist) to do a write-up on us in a journal so that everyone would be aware of this. I am all for this. Strange thing is they said my son had Trisomy 21 (from a 20 cell count at birth) and I knew they were wrong. I kept pressing until I found Dr. Flannery and he retested with 500 cells and found a 50% mosaicism. (BIG DIFFERENCE). Then he referred me to a study that reflected that when analyze only 7 or 8 cells out of 20 cells, then you have an error rate of 46% (within a 99% certainty). With 500 cells, there is only a 1% misdiagnosis rate within a 99% certainty. Well, that explained his misdiagnosis and it disturbed me greatly (for other people). Then after he looked at my girls, he could see the remnants of epicanthic folds (even in my 20 yr old) and also he saw other signs like sandal gap deformity, etc.... Strangely enough, we have physical signs that virtually disappear (to the untrained eye) over time (the eyes). The gap in the toes and their sydney line (for the girls) remain even 20 years later. Amazingly, we only have susceptibility to respiratory problems (asthma that is stress or allergy induced and sinus problems); all other health issues (heart, etc...) are clear. To: MosaicDS@...: satterfieldangie@...: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:21:57 -0800Subject: RE: What was the hospital stay for your child immediately following bir... ,Has your family been diagnosed with the Mosaic Translocation Downs (MTDS)? It was my understanding from my son's genetics counseling that the translocation was the form that was passed on. The other forms were just a chromosomal mix up of the egg or sperm. I would be very interested to hear the results of your families tests, if you don't mind sharing. I have been trying to learn as much as I can about MDS since my sons diagnosis in Setpember, and what you are sharing is new information that I haven't heard of before about MDS.Thanks,Angie>>Reply-To: MosaicDS >To: <mosaicds >>Subject: RE: What was the hospital stay for your child immediately >following bir...>Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:01:27 -0500>>You are understanding correctly. Apparently my sibs, my nieces amd nephews >and my maternal lineage does as well. We are waiting on the chromosomal >results for all. (My son had his back first.) Apparently, my 20 year old >displays a majority of the symptoms. We think my husband may have it also. >The geneticist says it is familial and inherited, but we are currently >looking into blood only.>>>>>http://discoverspaces.live.com?source=hmtag1 & loc=us>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>__________________________________________________________Get FREE company branded e-mail accounts and business Web site from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ _________________________________________________________________ Search from any Web page with powerful protection. Get the FREE Windows Live Toolbar Today! http://get.live.com/toolbar/overview Quote
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2006 Report Posted November 30, 2006 , I'm curious to know how you got your geneticist to test 500 cells. When I asked for the lab to run the test for Mosaic they only looked at 50 cells. Is this something that your insurance paid for or did you pay for it; and if you did do you mind sharing with us how much that cost? Also, are you saying that you believe that ALL MDS is passed down as a genetic anomaly? Or just your family? This is fascinating; please keep us updated. I manage clinical/pharmaceutical research studies and am a pharmacologist/toxicologist by training. So this kind of stuff is very interesting to me; not to mention that my 6 month old has MDS and I had to ask for the MDS test. Did everyone else have to ask for the MDS test? How many cells were tested? Thanks, Gwyn Mom to Mark MDS 6 months > > No, Mosaic Trisomy 21. And you are right to say you have never heard of it. There was some research done on inherited trisomies and I am pestering my geneticist for it now (he told me I had to keep on him to remind him to ask someone for it). > We are so excited because we are changing history and the way Down Syndrome is looked at in general. If indeed it is true that Mosaic DS is caused after conception then the fluke occurs without fail in our family. However, we believe currently that it is passed down as an inheritance before conception. This is what we are trying to find out. > Kristy was going to try to get him (the geneticist) to do a write- up on us in a journal so that everyone would be aware of this. I am all for this. > Strange thing is they said my son had Trisomy 21 (from a 20 cell count at birth) and I knew they were wrong. I kept pressing until I found Dr. Flannery and he retested with 500 cells and found a 50% mosaicism. (BIG DIFFERENCE). Then he referred me to a study that reflected that when analyze only 7 or 8 cells out of 20 cells, then you have an error rate of 46% (within a 99% certainty). With 500 cells, there is only a 1% misdiagnosis rate within a 99% certainty. Well, that explained his misdiagnosis and it disturbed me greatly (for other people). > Then after he looked at my girls, he could see the remnants of epicanthic folds (even in my 20 yr old) and also he saw other signs like sandal gap deformity, etc.... Strangely enough, we have physical signs that virtually disappear (to the untrained eye) over time (the eyes). The gap in the toes and their sydney line (for the girls) remain even 20 years later. Amazingly, we only have susceptibility to respiratory problems (asthma that is stress or allergy induced and sinus problems); all other health issues (heart, etc...) are clear. > > > To: MosaicDS@...: satterfieldangie@...: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:21:57 - 0800Subject: RE: What was the hospital stay for your child immediately following bir... > > > > > ,Has your family been diagnosed with the Mosaic Translocation Downs (MTDS)? It was my understanding from my son's genetics counseling that the translocation was the form that was passed on. The other forms were just a chromosomal mix up of the egg or sperm. I would be very interested to hear the results of your families tests, if you don't mind sharing. I have been trying to learn as much as I can about MDS since my sons diagnosis in Setpember, and what you are sharing is new information that I haven't heard of before about MDS.Thanks,Angie>From: TenEyck >Reply-To: MosaicDS >To: <mosaicds >>Subject: RE: What was the hospital stay for your child immediately >following bir...>Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:01:27 -0500>>You are understanding correctly. Apparently my sibs, my nieces amd nephews >and my maternal lineage does as well. We are waiting on the chromosomal >results for all. (My son had his back first.) Apparently, my 20 year old >displays a majority of the symptoms. We think my husband may have it also. >The geneticist says it is familial and inherited, but we are currently >looking into blood only.>>>>>http://discoverspaces.live.com? source=hmtag1 & loc=us>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >__________________________________________________________Get FREE company branded e-mail accounts and business Web site from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Search from any Web page with powerful protection. Get the FREE Windows Live Toolbar Today! > http://get.live.com/toolbar/overview > > Quote
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2006 Report Posted November 30, 2006 Actually, he asked for the test. i had no idea there was a different FISH test. When he said he was going to test 500 cells rather than 20, I was grinning. The test is called " Interphase FISH " and The medical college of Georgia (MCG) did the lab work. Specific and explicit instructions were sent to the lab (and they still had to call and get clarification. (I can provide those instructions if needed or wanted.) The Interphase Fish tests for 500 cells; the cells come back as numbered how many have Trisomic chromosomes and how many are normal. My son's were about 50% of each. (The geneticist said it would be looked at that way....the totals were 292 and 208 respectively) We were referred by the local health department to a place here in Athens (different county) called CMS or Children's Medical Services (a great place!) (Note I am not certain if these places exist in every region?) Anyways, all of my children have " medicaid " insurance. CMS took the liberty of changing their HMO medicaid to open or special needs medicaid (like my son was already on) and I am not sure how they did that so quickly and efficiently? Then they ordered the Interphase FISH on us all (first on my son, then when his results came back, they ordered the rest because he has the least phenotypical or physical characteristics of us all). He did not want to do skin unless there was a need to do so. he said we should find what we need in the blood cells since Interphase FISH tests 500 rather than the standard FISH of 20 cells. (He said a good skin test was more invasive and more accurate than the buccal skin test, which he essentially compared to being as accurate as the 20 cell test....not very accurate.) My eldest daughter did not have any insurance at all. CMS contacted the lab and asked for a discount since we were getting so many in the family done. They offered to do hers for a mere $300 something dollars. CMS picked up that cost. All of the tests have cost me nothing at all except the gas and the time and repeat trips.(Well worth it to me.) I know that the next step is getting the father tested. I am not sure how they do it, but they say they have to do this in steps in order to get insurance to cover the costs. (I guess like a domino effect that once a result comes back, he requests more information.) For Charlie Hart, there was no need to find the percentage (if any) in his skin cells because all we needed for malpractice against the doctors was a misdiagnosis and we got that with The Interphase FISH test done on blood cells. Although, he has already given us a preliminary diagnosis of inherited familial MDS based on our numerous signs and symptoms that are rampant not only in my little family, but also in my extended family (Mother, grandmother, cousins, siblings, nieces, and nephews). Technically speaking, it only takes 3 signs to comprise a syndrome. We have MANY MANY more than that and the geneticist agreed with me as he examined each one of us. He also said that there is someone that works with him that once did studies on inherited trisomies and he would try to get that information for me. In my family, I KNOW this has to be inherited. It is kinda obvious, but apparently it was not obvious to the original diagnosing doctors. Or simply it was a fact that they did not bother to take a family history and they did the test against our wishes. (That makes me mad every time I say it.) Anyway, apparently much information has been hidden in research and not divulged to the public about inherited trisomies, such as mine. At this point, I cannot say whether they have made an error and all MDS is inherited. I just do not know enough. However, i do know one thing for certain. Children get their genes from the donor parents and i believe in Mendelian Inheritance. When I did the punnett square (pattern of inheritance) for my family specifically, I came up with the following: If both parents have MDS, out of 16 offspring, One each female and male would be normal, one could have trisomy 21, and all the rest would have MDS. Of course this is just using mathematical statistics. You essentially have to compare three traits rather than two. it is a little difficult, but if you know anything about punnett squares, then you will be able to figure this out. it is slightly more difficult when you figure in percentages of each parent and the probability of having a child who is affected. You would have to know each percentage of the donor parents at the time of conception or thereabouts and it would be a curve ball thrown into the math. I am not that familiar with it as I did not take " Probability and Statistics " in school. Although, my mother would know, she is not cooperative in discussing genes such as this. (She is a labeler and chooses not to accept the labels she has for others. She does not want to know and does not want others to know. I just attribute her aberrant behavior to the DS genes and blow it off; whereas, it used to bother me.) As soon as I hear something, I will let you all know. I have requested the information as soon as it becomes available (before our next visit in January). We only see the doc every other month because he comes up to Athens, GA from Augusta, GA (a 3 hour trip). i am very grateful to have him and he has agreed to do the foreword for my next book, which is actually a manual about Down Syndrome. i hope I answered everything. if not, ask away. :0) To: MosaicDS@...: gwyn.theodore@...: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:40:08 +0000Subject: Re: What was the hospital stay for your child immediately following bir... ,I'm curious to know how you got your geneticist to test 500 cells. When I asked for the lab to run the test for Mosaic they only looked at 50 cells. Is this something that your insurance paid for or did you pay for it; and if you did do you mind sharing with us how much that cost?Also, are you saying that you believe that ALL MDS is passed down as a genetic anomaly? Or just your family?This is fascinating; please keep us updated. I manage clinical/pharmaceutical research studies and am a pharmacologist/toxicologist by training. So this kind of stuff is very interesting to me; not to mention that my 6 month old has MDS and I had to ask for the MDS test.Did everyone else have to ask for the MDS test? How many cells were tested?Thanks,GwynMom to Mark MDS 6 months>> No, Mosaic Trisomy 21. And you are right to say you have never heard of it. There was some research done on inherited trisomies and I am pestering my geneticist for it now (he told me I had to keep on him to remind him to ask someone for it). > We are so excited because we are changing history and the way Down Syndrome is looked at in general. If indeed it is true that Mosaic DS is caused after conception then the fluke occurs without fail in our family. However, we believe currently that it is passed down as an inheritance before conception. This is what we are trying to find out.> Kristy was going to try to get him (the geneticist) to do a write-up on us in a journal so that everyone would be aware of this. I am all for this.> Strange thing is they said my son had Trisomy 21 (from a 20 cell count at birth) and I knew they were wrong. I kept pressing until I found Dr. Flannery and he retested with 500 cells and found a 50% mosaicism. (BIG DIFFERENCE). Then he referred me to a study that reflected that when analyze only 7 or 8 cells out of 20 cells, then you have an error rate of 46% (within a 99% certainty). With 500 cells, there is only a 1% misdiagnosis rate within a 99% certainty. Well, that explained his misdiagnosis and it disturbed me greatly (for other people).> Then after he looked at my girls, he could see the remnants of epicanthic folds (even in my 20 yr old) and also he saw other signs like sandal gap deformity, etc.... Strangely enough, we have physical signs that virtually disappear (to the untrained eye) over time (the eyes). The gap in the toes and their sydney line (for the girls) remain even 20 years later. Amazingly, we only have susceptibility to respiratory problems (asthma that is stress or allergy induced and sinus problems); all other health issues (heart, etc...) are clear.> > > To: MosaicDS@...: satterfieldangie@...: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:21:57 -0800Subject: RE: What was the hospital stay for your child immediately following bir...> > > > > ,Has your family been diagnosed with the Mosaic Translocation Downs (MTDS)? It was my understanding from my son's genetics counseling that the translocation was the form that was passed on. The other forms were just a chromosomal mix up of the egg or sperm. I would be very interested to hear the results of your families tests, if you don't mind sharing. I have been trying to learn as much as I can about MDS since my sons diagnosis in Setpember, and what you are sharing is new information that I haven't heard of before about MDS.Thanks,Angie>From: TenEyck >Reply-To: MosaicDS >To: <mosaicds >>Subject: RE: What was the hospital stay for your child immediately >following bir...>Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:01:27 -0500>>You are understanding correctly. Apparently my sibs, my nieces amd nephews >and my maternal lineage does as well. We are waiting on the chromosomal >results for all. (My son had his back first.) Apparently, my 20 year old >displays a majority of the symptoms. We think my husband may have it also. >The geneticist says it is familial and inherited, but we are currently >looking into blood only.>>>>>http://discoverspaces.live.com?source=hmtag1 & loc=us>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>__________________________________________________________Get FREE company branded e-mail accounts and business Web site from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ > > > __________________________________________________________> Search from any Web page with powerful protection. Get the FREE Windows Live Toolbar Today!> http://get.live.com/toolbar/overview> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]> _________________________________________________________________ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day trial! http://www.windowsonecare.com/purchase/trial.aspx?sc_cid=wl_wlmail Quote
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Posted December 3, 2006 Gwyn, I didn't have to ask for a test. Since Ollie had subtle characteristics his Pediatrition ordered the MDS test. He told us that in 99% of DS children that he has seen he has been able to say " yes, DS. " But with Ollie he was 50/50. Angie Ollie's mommy 2 months > >Reply-To: MosaicDS >To: MosaicDS >Subject: Re: What was the hospital stay for your child immediately >following bir... >Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:40:08 -0000 > >, > >I'm curious to know how you got your geneticist to test 500 cells. >When I asked for the lab to run the test for Mosaic they only looked >at 50 cells. Is this something that your insurance paid for or did >you pay for it; and if you did do you mind sharing with us how much >that cost? > >Also, are you saying that you believe that ALL MDS is passed down as >a genetic anomaly? Or just your family? > >This is fascinating; please keep us updated. I manage >clinical/pharmaceutical research studies and am a >pharmacologist/toxicologist by training. So this kind of stuff is >very interesting to me; not to mention that my 6 month old has MDS >and I had to ask for the MDS test. > >Did everyone else have to ask for the MDS test? How many cells were >tested? > >Thanks, >Gwyn >Mom to Mark MDS 6 months > > > > > > > No, Mosaic Trisomy 21. And you are right to say you have never >heard of it. There was some research done on inherited trisomies and >I am pestering my geneticist for it now (he told me I had to keep on >him to remind him to ask someone for it). > > We are so excited because we are changing history and the way Down >Syndrome is looked at in general. If indeed it is true that Mosaic >DS is caused after conception then the fluke occurs without fail in >our family. However, we believe currently that it is passed down as >an inheritance before conception. This is what we are trying to find >out. > > Kristy was going to try to get him (the geneticist) to do a write- >up on us in a journal so that everyone would be aware of this. I am >all for this. > > Strange thing is they said my son had Trisomy 21 (from a 20 cell >count at birth) and I knew they were wrong. I kept pressing until I >found Dr. Flannery and he retested with 500 cells and found a 50% >mosaicism. (BIG DIFFERENCE). Then he referred me to a study that >reflected that when analyze only 7 or 8 cells out of 20 cells, then >you have an error rate of 46% (within a 99% certainty). With 500 >cells, there is only a 1% misdiagnosis rate within a 99% certainty. >Well, that explained his misdiagnosis and it disturbed me greatly >(for other people). > > Then after he looked at my girls, he could see the remnants of >epicanthic folds (even in my 20 yr old) and also he saw other signs >like sandal gap deformity, etc.... Strangely enough, we have >physical signs that virtually disappear (to the untrained eye) over >time (the eyes). The gap in the toes and their sydney line (for the >girls) remain even 20 years later. Amazingly, we only have >susceptibility to respiratory problems (asthma that is stress or >allergy induced and sinus problems); all other health issues (heart, >etc...) are clear. > > > > > > To: MosaicDS@...: satterfieldangie@...: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:21:57 - >0800Subject: RE: What was the hospital stay for your child >immediately following bir... > > > > > > > > > > ,Has your family been diagnosed with the Mosaic Translocation >Downs (MTDS)? It was my understanding from my son's genetics >counseling that the translocation was the form that was passed on. >The other forms were just a chromosomal mix up of the egg or sperm. >I would be very interested to hear the results of your families >tests, if you don't mind sharing. I have been trying to learn as >much as I can about MDS since my sons diagnosis in Setpember, and >what you are sharing is new information that I haven't heard of >before about MDS.Thanks,Angie>From: TenEyck >>Reply-To: MosaicDS >To: ><mosaicds >>Subject: RE: What was the hospital >stay for your child immediately >following bir...>Date: Thu, 30 Nov >2006 12:01:27 -0500>>You are understanding correctly. Apparently my >sibs, my nieces amd nephews >and my maternal lineage does as well. >We are waiting on the chromosomal >results for all. (My son had his >back first.) Apparently, my 20 year old >displays a majority of the >symptoms. We think my husband may have it also. >The geneticist says >it is familial and inherited, but we are currently >looking into >blood only.>>>>>http://discoverspaces.live.com? >source=hmtag1 & loc=us>>[Non-text portions of this message have been >removed] > >__________________________________________________________Get FREE >company branded e-mail accounts and business Web site from Microsoft >Office Live >http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Search from any Web page with powerful protection. Get the FREE >Windows Live Toolbar Today! > > http://get.live.com/toolbar/overview > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Posted December 3, 2006 Just curious Angie...Did that doctor obtain a specific written consent from you to do the genetic identity testing? Although it appears that you did not object to the test, I just wondered if they obtained it from you legally. I had a problem with that after the birth of my son and I am surveying others in order to discover how many doctors actually get the proper separate signed consent and provide pre and post-counseling as well. To: MosaicDS@...: satterfieldangie@...: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 09:26:56 -0800Subject: RE: Re: What was the hospital stay for your child immediately following bir... Gwyn,I didn't have to ask for a test. Since Ollie had subtle characteristics his Pediatrition ordered the MDS test. He told us that in 99% of DS children that he has seen he has been able to say " yes, DS. " But with Ollie he was 50/50.AngieOllie's mommy 2 months>From: " gapakenham " >Reply-To: MosaicDS >To: MosaicDS >Subject: Re: What was the hospital stay for your child immediately >following bir...>Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:40:08 -0000>>,>>I'm curious to know how you got your geneticist to test 500 cells.>When I asked for the lab to run the test for Mosaic they only looked>at 50 cells. Is this something that your insurance paid for or did>you pay for it; and if you did do you mind sharing with us how much>that cost?>>Also, are you saying that you believe that ALL MDS is passed down as>a genetic anomaly? Or just your family?>>This is fascinating; please keep us updated. I manage>clinical/pharmaceutical research studies and am a>pharmacologist/toxicologist by training. So this kind of stuff is>very interesting to me; not to mention that my 6 month old has MDS>and I had to ask for the MDS test.>>Did everyone else have to ask for the MDS test? How many cells were>tested?>>Thanks,>Gwyn>Mom to Mark MDS 6 months>>>> >> > No, Mosaic Trisomy 21. And you are right to say you have never>heard of it. There was some research done on inherited trisomies and>I am pestering my geneticist for it now (he told me I had to keep on>him to remind him to ask someone for it).> > We are so excited because we are changing history and the way Down>Syndrome is looked at in general. If indeed it is true that Mosaic>DS is caused after conception then the fluke occurs without fail in>our family. However, we believe currently that it is passed down as>an inheritance before conception. This is what we are trying to find>out.> > Kristy was going to try to get him (the geneticist) to do a write->up on us in a journal so that everyone would be aware of this. I am>all for this.> > Strange thing is they said my son had Trisomy 21 (from a 20 cell>count at birth) and I knew they were wrong. I kept pressing until I>found Dr. Flannery and he retested with 500 cells and found a 50%>mosaicism. (BIG DIFFERENCE). Then he referred me to a study that>reflected that when analyze only 7 or 8 cells out of 20 cells, then>you have an error rate of 46% (within a 99% certainty). With 500>cells, there is only a 1% misdiagnosis rate within a 99% certainty.>Well, that explained his misdiagnosis and it disturbed me greatly>(for other people).> > Then after he looked at my girls, he could see the remnants of>epicanthic folds (even in my 20 yr old) and also he saw other signs>like sandal gap deformity, etc.... Strangely enough, we have>physical signs that virtually disappear (to the untrained eye) over>time (the eyes). The gap in the toes and their sydney line (for the>girls) remain even 20 years later. Amazingly, we only have>susceptibility to respiratory problems (asthma that is stress or>allergy induced and sinus problems); all other health issues (heart,>etc...) are clear.> >> >> > To: MosaicDS@...: satterfieldangie@...: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:21:57 ->0800Subject: RE: What was the hospital stay for your child>immediately following bir...> >> >> >> >> > ,Has your family been diagnosed with the Mosaic Translocation>Downs (MTDS)? It was my understanding from my son's genetics>counseling that the translocation was the form that was passed on.>The other forms were just a chromosomal mix up of the egg or sperm.>I would be very interested to hear the results of your families>tests, if you don't mind sharing. I have been trying to learn as>much as I can about MDS since my sons diagnosis in Setpember, and>what you are sharing is new information that I haven't heard of>before about MDS.Thanks,Angie>From: TenEyck>>Reply-To: MosaicDS >To:><mosaicds >>Subject: RE: What was the hospital>stay for your child immediately >following bir...>Date: Thu, 30 Nov>2006 12:01:27 -0500>>You are understanding correctly. Apparently my>sibs, my nieces amd nephews >and my maternal lineage does as well.>We are waiting on the chromosomal >results for all. (My son had his>back first.) Apparently, my 20 year old >displays a majority of the>symptoms. We think my husband may have it also. >The geneticist says>it is familial and inherited, but we are currently >looking into>blood only.>>>>>http://discoverspaces.live.com?>source=hmtag1 & loc=us>>[Non-text portions of this message have been>removed]> >__________________________________________________________Get FREE>company branded e-mail accounts and business Web site from Microsoft>Office Live>http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/> >> >> > __________________________________________________________> > Search from any Web page with powerful protection. 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Guest guest Posted December 4, 2006 Report Posted December 4, 2006 , We gave verbal consent to do the test while in the hospital. And all of the pediatricians (4 of them) told us that they weren't certain that Mark had DS. His muscle tone was very strong (and still is) and his other signs were so subtle. Actually, it was the 2nd pediatrician that saw him that suggested we should do the test. Two others after her said they wouldn't have picked it up b/c his muscle tone was/is so strong. When the results came back, I requested to have him tested for MDS as I had read so much about DS and was convinced that he had DS. - to chime in to your question about what tests to do. I only did the blood test to show my percentage of having a child with DS and they told me I went from something like, 1 in 300 to 1 in 2000. The doctors also told me after the ultrasound that he had no problems. It was only after he was born that we found out. With that said, I will not do any tests, other than have an ultrasound, when I get pregnant with the next one (if I do, I should say!). I'm so excited for you and your wife - a baby is such a blessing! Gwyn Mommy to Mark MDS 6 months > >> > No, Mosaic Trisomy 21. And you are right to say you have never>heard of it. There was some research done on inherited trisomies and>I am pestering my geneticist for it now (he told me I had to keep on>him to remind him to ask someone for it).> > We are so excited because we are changing history and the way Down>Syndrome is looked at in general. If indeed it is true that Mosaic>DS is caused after conception then the fluke occurs without fail in>our family. However, we believe currently that it is passed down as>an inheritance before conception. This is what we are trying to find>out.> > Kristy was going to try to get him (the geneticist) to do a write->up on us in a journal so that everyone would be aware of this. I am>all for this.> > Strange thing is they said my son had Trisomy 21 (from a 20 cell>count at birth) and I knew they were wrong. I kept pressing until I>found Dr. Flannery and he retested with 500 cells and found a 50%>mosaicism. (BIG DIFFERENCE). Then he referred me to a study that>reflected that when analyze only 7 or 8 cells out of 20 cells, then>you have an error rate of 46% (within a 99% certainty). With 500>cells, there is only a 1% misdiagnosis rate within a 99% certainty.>Well, that explained his misdiagnosis and it disturbed me greatly>(for other people).> > Then after he looked at my girls, he could see the remnants of>epicanthic folds (even in my 20 yr old) and also he saw other signs>like sandal gap deformity, etc.... Strangely enough, we have>physical signs that virtually disappear (to the untrained eye) over>time (the eyes). The gap in the toes and their sydney line (for the>girls) remain even 20 years later. Amazingly, we only have>susceptibility to respiratory problems (asthma that is stress or>allergy induced and sinus problems); all other health issues (heart,>etc...) are clear.> >> >> > To: MosaicDS@: satterfieldangie@: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:21:57 - >0800Subject: RE: What was the hospital stay for your child>immediately following bir...> >> >> >> >> > ,Has your family been diagnosed with the Mosaic Translocation>Downs (MTDS)? It was my understanding from my son's genetics>counseling that the translocation was the form that was passed on.>The other forms were just a chromosomal mix up of the egg or sperm.>I would be very interested to hear the results of your families>tests, if you don't mind sharing. I have been trying to learn as>much as I can about MDS since my sons diagnosis in Setpember, and>what you are sharing is new information that I haven't heard of>before about MDS.Thanks,Angie>From: TenEyck><agirlnamedsuess@>>Reply-To: MosaicDS >To:><mosaicds >>Subject: RE: What was the hospital>stay for your child immediately >following bir...>Date: Thu, 30 Nov>2006 12:01:27 -0500>>You are understanding correctly. Apparently my>sibs, my nieces amd nephews >and my maternal lineage does as well.>We are waiting on the chromosomal >results for all. (My son had his>back first.) Apparently, my 20 year old >displays a majority of the>symptoms. We think my husband may have it also. >The geneticist says>it is familial and inherited, but we are currently >looking into>blood only.>>>>>http://discoverspaces.live.com?>source=hmtag1 & loc=us>> [Non-text portions of this message have been>removed]> >__________________________________________________________Get FREE>company branded e-mail accounts and business Web site from Microsoft>Office Live>http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/> >> >> > __________________________________________________________> > Search from any Web page with powerful protection. 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Guest guest Posted December 16, 2006 Report Posted December 16, 2006 my daughter Mikayla was in the hospital over a month after she was born, she was also one month early, she had to have stomach surgery the day after her birth, which was very scary for me. The ronald mcdonald house was very nice and allowed me to stay there the entire time she was in the hospital. so that was a blessing Angie Satterfield wrote: , Sorry, I have not read all of the emails that have been shared lately. Am I understanding correctly that you have 4 children with MDS? And do you yourself have MDS? I am a bit confused. Thanks for the clarification Angie mom to Ollie 2 months >From: " TenEyck " >Reply-To: MosaicDS >To: MosaicDS >Subject: Re: What was the hospital stay for your child immediately >following bir... >Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 19:25:19 -0500 > > > > > >Assuming you want the truthful answer, yes. >My other three children who I know now have MDS had the exact opposite. >First was a c-section (don't want to go there again) and last three were >intentional homebirths. >I am grateful that the ambulance arrived and successfully got him breathing >in time. However, I am ungrateful that they did all those tests to my son >(including the DNA karyotype which I declined) without reason. I guess what >I am trying to say is if they had a " medical indication " to perform those >tests, then i would have been grateful. There was no medical reason other >than their " misdiagnosis " of " trisomy 21 " . They injected him repeatedly >with >harmful antibiotics (which we are allergic to) and radiated him with >unusual >doses of radiation for reasons they caused (anaphylaxis). What really made >me mad was that they tried to blame me for the anaphylaxis. >I don't know, they did a number on him and us. >That I know for sure. >All of my current doctors know in advance that I strictly prohibit >karyotyping for at least 3 months. And they also know that no mention of DS >is allowed. However, if there is an imminent problem, (like >life-threatening >emergency) then they are tio address that problem only. I already know what >I to expect (MDS) and it does not bother me in the slightest. It would >bother me if they go against my wishes (again) and do the genetic identity >tests without my consent and against the law, again. >I am the type person that I do not look for medical problems without >reason. >If it ain't broke, why bother trying to fix it. >In CH's case, they were looking for a problem and seemed to be angry that >they could not find one; unfortunately, they did this at his expense as >well >as ours. >Just reading all the responses regarding this, I now know they did us >wrong >in the worst way. I did not think that there was a reason without medical >evidence to support it (heart murmur, breathing issues, etc...) to hold a >child and continue to probe. I just wanted to check and make sure. >All of your responses will continue to be helpful to me and I sure >appreciate the responses. Thank you. >Now, I am a bit wiser and I am nipping it in the bud before the birth of >our >next son. >Thanks so much for the responses. :0) > >_________________________________________________________________ >Fixing up the home? Live Search can help >http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improve & locale=en-U\ S & source=hmemailtaglinenov06 & FORM=WLMTAG > _________________________________________________________________ Get the latest Windows Live Messenger 8.1 Beta version. Join now. http://ideas.live.com Become a member of IMDSA today at http://www.imdsa.com ******************************************************* Purchase your MDS awareness bracelet today! http://www.imdsa.com/bracelets ************************************************************************** Contact IMDSA Today at: IMDSA~PO Box 1052~lin,TX~77856~USA~1-~1-888-MDS-LINK ********************************************************************* Share your story today! http://www.mosaicdownsyndrome.com ********************************************************* Quote
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