Re: eating can be a bad habit

[Guest guest]

Apr 14, 1999

Dear Merry,

You have a great attitude, and are an inspiration to many of us who are also

struggling along. I have had the type 2 diabetes for about 6 years, then got

the

wallop of having the aggressive type of breast cancer diagnosed last summer.

Now

that I have finished the treatment, and have been thrown into menopause

abruptly,

my diabetes has gotten out of control. Last week, I was taken off the

glucotrol,

left on the glucophage, and put on 3 shots of insulin a day. (My HGA1C was 8.9)

Anyway, I am feeling so much better now that my blood sugar is out of the two

and

three hundreds. I'm walking twice a day, and watching my diet a lot more

closely. My doctor said it was a combination of the stress of being diagnosed

with cancer, as well as the effects of the chemotherapy and radiation

treatments. Then there's the financial stress of no longer being able to work,

coupled with the increased medical bills. Add to that the fact that I've been

on

the meds for six years, and they just weren't working as well. It really sounds

depressing when I write it down, but I am handling it. And like you said, I am

putting my health first. Anyway, thanks for your letter, and congratulations on

doing a great job at inspiring us to work harder.

Dottie , in Salem Virginia near the Blue Ridge

Mountains

Om8421@... wrote:

> From: Om8421@...

>

> Dear Barb,

> I hve always been an over eater too. I would go with no breakfast,

> little lunch, and pork out at dinner and till bed. Sugar has always been my

> main stay. Chocolate has always been my idea of food for all occations. I

> am also a really big stress eater. If life is a bummer...shove chocolate in

> my mouth. I now eat 6 little meals a day...rarely hungry any more.

> My marriage to Mark has been stressful and still is, at this point I

> don't know where that will end up. But what I do know is that for several

> years I have really needed (Something Nice) to happen to or for me. Guess

> what I am making Diabetes that (Something Nice). I have decided that this is

> a gift in dicuise, a second chance, to take hold of things in my life and

> make it positive.

> I have been ashamed of my body image for so long that I just couldn't

> dig out of that hole I was in. Yes I have a long way to go; but I am finally

> on my way. The really exciting part is I am doing this for me...... I am

> taking charge; I am starting to feel better; I am no longer beating myself up

> and shoving chocolate down the hatch. I have even started to say the

> following to myself everyday. **I am not doing without, I am doing within for

> me** Selfish or not me has to come first instead of the rest of the world for

> a change......Whew.....if ya made it threw all of that ya deserve a hug....

> I want to live as healty and full life as I can. I don't want to just

> watch others living I want to now join in.....Who would have know that I

> would someday being saying all of this.....Keep in touch.......Merry.....Mich

>

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Dear Dottie,

My husband went thru colon cancer almost 4 years ago. He was so very

lucky they got all of it and the chemo and radiation didn't make him sick at

all. Yes Canceer is stressfull to everyone...the person who has it and the

spouse. I gained 50 lbs the year Mark went thru that....talk about a stress

eater...

Hey you concured cancer, so this diabeates this is just a fly in the

ointment in comparison. You are brave and we are all behind you.....keep up

the spirts.

Merry

[Guest guest]

Kay, Kay, Kay,

Look at what you are saying: " The bad thing is now all of them bring food in

the house which I definitely shouldn't have but do 'Just because it's

there. "

[Translation: It is their fault, not mine. I want to do what I know I

should, and what is best for me and my family but they won't let me. See

I'm just a VICTIM.]

" Have gained weight and see no way out of this situation. "

[Translation: It is not my fault I gained weight, it is their fault. I AM

NOT RESPONSIBLE . See, I'm just a VICTIM]

Kay, your family is not responsible for your decisions or your actions. You

are.

P.S. This is a great time to teach your granddaughter how to eat

" properly. " Don't let her have cookies. Trust me it won't kill her.

Mr. Edd

I can be sad because it is raining or I can be happy because the lawn is

getting watered for free.

eating can be a bad habit

>Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 9:14 PM

>

>

>

>IMO and from my experience (my sister is an eating disorder counselor), I

>am definitely a compulsive overeater and sugar addict. And I am incredibly

>grateful that I live alone for the sake of my health, because if it's sugar

>or chips or other bad stuff for me and it's in the house, I'll eat the

>whole thing. Or if I don't and there's any left, I'll obsess about it

>until I do eat it, and then feel awful, bad, down, shamed, etc., etc. Now

>some of you know I'm a recovering alcoholic as well, so I do have an

>addictive nature. But I could quit drinking booze, and like Merry said, I

>can't quit eating. She's right, we should all take a look at how we

>perceive food, as in reward, comfort, etc. I think this mental stuff is a

>good part of attaining a positive attitude toward diabetes, too. To go from

>oh, bummer, to an opportunity to get healthy

>

>Cheers, Barb

>--------------

>Barb Young

> " Enjoy life. This is not a

>dress rehearsal. " -unknown

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Merry,

You are inspiring!

Mr. Edd

Hugs make great gifts: one size fits all, they are free, and they are

exchangeable.

Re: eating can be a bad habit

>From: Om8421@...

>

>Dear Barb,

> I hve always been an over eater too. I would go with no breakfast,

>little lunch, and pork out at dinner and till bed. Sugar has always been

my

>main stay. Chocolate has always been my idea of food for all occations. I

>am also a really big stress eater. If life is a bummer...shove chocolate

in

>my mouth. I now eat 6 little meals a day...rarely hungry any more.

> My marriage to Mark has been stressful and still is, at this point

I

>don't know where that will end up. But what I do know is that for several

>years I have really needed (Something Nice) to happen to or for me. Guess

>what I am making Diabetes that (Something Nice). I have decided that this

is

>a gift in dicuise, a second chance, to take hold of things in my life and

>make it positive.

> I have been ashamed of my body image for so long that I just

couldn't

>dig out of that hole I was in. Yes I have a long way to go; but I am

finally

>on my way. The really exciting part is I am doing this for me...... I am

>taking charge; I am starting to feel better; I am no longer beating myself

up

>and shoving chocolate down the hatch. I have even started to say the

>following to myself everyday. **I am not doing without, I am doing within

for

>me** Selfish or not me has to come first instead of the rest of the world

for

>a change......Whew.....if ya made it threw all of that ya deserve a hug....

> I want to live as healty and full life as I can. I don't want to

just

>watch others living I want to now join in.....Who would have know that I

>would someday being saying all of this.....Keep in

touch.......Merry.....Mich

>

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Beautifully put - you know maybe you can be my inspiration! Goodness knows

I need some one to be that for me. It's more fun to do things together and

I just might be able to follow your example and lose some of this ugly fat

that has my body imprisioned. Keep posting or feel free to e-mail me

directly. I've

been overweight most of my adult life and have been diabetic for 15 years

and unable to get weight off for any period of time. Thanks for the lovely

thoughts!

Kay

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From: Om8421@...

To: diabetes_intonelist

Subject: Re: eating can be a bad habit

Date: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 9:58 AM

From: Om8421@...

Dear Barb,

I hve always been an over eater too. I would go with no breakfast,

little lunch, and pork out at dinner and till bed. Sugar has always been

my

main stay. Chocolate has always been my idea of food for all occations. I

am also a really big stress eater. If life is a bummer...shove chocolate

in

my mouth. I now eat 6 little meals a day...rarely hungry any more.

My marriage to Mark has been stressful and still is, at this point

I

don't know where that will end up. But what I do know is that for several

years I have really needed (Something Nice) to happen to or for me. Guess

what I am making Diabetes that (Something Nice). I have decided that this

is

a gift in dicuise, a second chance, to take hold of things in my life and

make it positive.

I have been ashamed of my body image for so long that I just

couldn't

dig out of that hole I was in. Yes I have a long way to go; but I am

finally

on my way. The really exciting part is I am doing this for me...... I am

taking charge; I am starting to feel better; I am no longer beating myself

up

and shoving chocolate down the hatch. I have even started to say the

following to myself everyday. **I am not doing without, I am doing within

for

me** Selfish or not me has to come first instead of the rest of the world

for

a change......Whew.....if ya made it threw all of that ya deserve a hug....

I want to live as healty and full life as I can. I don't want to

just

watch others living I want to now join in.....Who would have know that I

would someday being saying all of this.....Keep in

touch.......Merry.....Mich

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Thanks, I needed that little lecture. I'm the youngest in my family and

guess most of my life have felt like everyone else should set a good

example for me. Since I'm the one with diabetes and the one to suffer the

consequences of complications, it's time I got busy and take responsibility

for my actions! My little granddaughter does eat pretty healthy because my

dietician has sent me a food plan for her. She's a little miracle girl who

is here against the odds, 5 surgeries her 1st year then her parents

divorced. When she's with me, I try to feed her correctly as I don't know

what she eats when she's not here - fast food probably (which is not

completely bad for a 2 1/2 yr old). She's a tiny little gal and can stand

a few extra calories.

Thanks again for the words I needed to hear. E-mail me again and I'll

honestly tell you if I have been able to make any changes in my life.

Kay

To: diabetes_intonelist

Subject: Re: eating can be a bad habit

Date: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 9:31 PM

Kay, Kay, Kay,

Look at what you are saying: " The bad thing is now all of them bring food

in

the house which I definitely shouldn't have but do 'Just because it's

there. "

[Translation: It is their fault, not mine. I want to do what I know I

should, and what is best for me and my family but they won't let me. See

I'm just a VICTIM.]

" Have gained weight and see no way out of this situation. "

[Translation: It is not my fault I gained weight, it is their fault. I AM

NOT RESPONSIBLE . See, I'm just a VICTIM]

Kay, your family is not responsible for your decisions or your actions.

You

are.

P.S. This is a great time to teach your granddaughter how to eat

" properly. " Don't let her have cookies. Trust me it won't kill her.

Mr. Edd

I can be sad because it is raining or I can be happy because the lawn is

getting watered for free.

eating can be a bad habit

>Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 9:14 PM

>

>

>

>IMO and from my experience (my sister is an eating disorder counselor), I

>am definitely a compulsive overeater and sugar addict. And I am

incredibly

>grateful that I live alone for the sake of my health, because if it's

sugar

>or chips or other bad stuff for me and it's in the house, I'll eat the

>whole thing. Or if I don't and there's any left, I'll obsess about it

>until I do eat it, and then feel awful, bad, down, shamed, etc., etc. Now

>some of you know I'm a recovering alcoholic as well, so I do have an

>addictive nature. But I could quit drinking booze, and like Merry said, I

>can't quit eating. She's right, we should all take a look at how we

>perceive food, as in reward, comfort, etc. I think this mental stuff is a

>good part of attaining a positive attitude toward diabetes, too. To go

from

>oh, bummer, to an opportunity to get healthy

>

>Cheers, Barb

>--------------

>Barb Young

> " Enjoy life. This is not a

>dress rehearsal. " -unknown

>RAINBOW FARM UNLTD.

>Breeding Premium Warmbloods,

>Thoroughbreds, and Welsh ponies.

>rainbowfarm@...

>http://www.rainbowfarm.com

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for the inspiring letter. I have done the same thing for years. I

think for the last 5 years or so I have eaten anything I wanted to eat

and did not think about the consequences. I did not care that my body

was getting larger and larger. I kept saying to myself that I did not

care what I looked like. Well, now the diabetes thing is here to stay. I

have taken control and decided that " A cookie or piece of cake is not

worth my life. " I have alot to eat on the low carb, no sugar eating

program (not diet) and the numbers have gone down. Now that I am back to

work after vacation, they are up a little. I think that is due to

stress, I don't know but they are lower than when I was first diagnosed.

I have not been put on medication and hopefully with diet and exercise,

I can control this.

I have been lurking for a few days. I have so much mail that I can't

keep up with it. Posts that are so inspirational cannot be ignored.

Thanks to everyone on this list.

Om8421@... wrote:

>

> From: Om8421@...

>

> Dear Barb,

> I hve always been an over eater too. I would go with no breakfast,

> little lunch, and pork out at dinner and till bed. Sugar has always been my

> main stay. Chocolate has always been my idea of food for all occations. I

> am also a really big stress eater. If life is a bummer...shove chocolate in

> my mouth. I now eat 6 little meals a day...rarely hungry any more.

> My marriage to Mark has been stressful and still is, at this point I

> don't know where that will end up. But what I do know is that for several

> years I have really needed (Something Nice) to happen to or for me. Guess

> what I am making Diabetes that (Something Nice). I have decided that this is

> a gift in dicuise, a second chance, to take hold of things in my life and

> make it positive.

> I have been ashamed of my body image for so long that I just couldn't

> dig out of that hole I was in. Yes I have a long way to go; but I am finally

> on my way. The really exciting part is I am doing this for me...... I am

> taking charge; I am starting to feel better; I am no longer beating myself up

> and shoving chocolate down the hatch. I have even started to say the

> following to myself everyday. **I am not doing without, I am doing within for

> me** Selfish or not me has to come first instead of the rest of the world for

> a change......Whew.....if ya made it threw all of that ya deserve a hug....

> I want to live as healty and full life as I can. I don't want to just

> watch others living I want to now join in.....Who would have know that I

> would someday being saying all of this.....Keep in touch.......Merry.....Mich

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Merry here....got to jump in for Kay and Mr.Ed.

Yup Kay is right there is no way she can quit eating and survive. It

is difficult to ovoid the stuff we can't have. I think I will Ralf all over

the next person that tells me

(Oh just one bite can't hurt) Lets face it NOBODY but another diabetic will

ever understand what it is like.....

I think Mr. Ed was just saying that Kay is the only one who has the

ultamate control over this. I think he was just trying to boost her not put

her down...he was saying she can't blame others for her being diabetic, nor

can she blame others for what she eats. I think he was trying to help Kay

get control.

I havn't been on this list very long but I have seen many different

ways different people try to help each other.....somtimes it works n

somethimes ya just got to use the delete button.

I agree with both Kay & Mr. Ed. This is an unfair way to have to live

our lives...God knows I worship chocolate.....I want one now....I can taste

it....But this is my fact of life and I have to claim it and take control of

it. I think Mr. Ed was trying to help Kay claim her life. I can't have that

chocolate or I might be cutting my life short...

Kay......never give up trying lots of people who care here

Mr. Ed.....U took time to respond which shows U care.

Susie......All of the wonderful information you post shows U care.

We are all here to support each other in many different ways...Thank God

for each one of you...what works for one won't for the next.

Hope I didn't over step....sending hugs to all 3 of U.

Merry In Mich

[Guest guest]

(I think my incoming mail is kaput for now, but let's see if outgoing still

works ... )

Mr. Edd wrote:

<< Kay, Kay, Kay - Look at what you are saying: " The bad thing is now all of

them bring food in

the house which I definitely shouldn't have but do 'Just because it's

there. "

[Translation: It is their fault, not mine. I want to do what I know I

should, and what is best for me and my family but they won't let me. See

I'm just a VICTIM.]

" Have gained weight and see no way out of this situation. "

[Translation: It is not my fault I gained weight, it is their fault. I AM

NOT RESPONSIBLE . See, I'm just a VICTIM]

Kay, your family is not responsible for your decisions or your actions. You

are.

P.S. This is a great time to teach your granddaughter how to eat

" properly. " Don't let her have cookies. Trust me it won't kill her. >>

Mr. Edd, I slept on responding to this post. I thought it was unduly harsh

yesterday, and I still do. " Kay " is admitting she is having difficulty

dealing with the emotional aspects of eating. Many people struggle with

this. Food is a basic part of our " reward " system. Many of us have admitted

that it's hard to constantly turn down food when it's right there in front

of us, just as others would struggle to continually deny themselves

cigarettes or booze or drugs if they were trying to kick a habit, but

circumstances forced them to be around others who use their " problem

substance " and leave it lying around. How many recovering alcoholics, e.g.,

could live with others who drink - and who leave bottles sitting out

invitingly, and not take a nip? How many could be constantly exposed to the

temptation and honestly say they are not tempted? People use terms like

" recovering alcoholic " to indicate that it is an ongoing process.

I think " Kay " deserves a more humane response than this. I think we are all

having a tough struggle with many aspects of our shared disease. I hope you

will reconsider what you posted.

Susie

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/15/99 4:22:21 PM US Eastern Standard Time,

OtterCritter@... writes:

<< : OtterCritter@...

Mr. Edd wrote:

<< ... This group is so helpful, so special,that I would rather just lurk

than post

a single inhumane note. >>

Please don't just lurk ... post! I'm Midwestern blunt myself.

Susie

>>

Yipee for Blunt People.....gotta love em.....Mark never asks me anything

unless he is prepared for my answer....In fact the other day he looked at me

and said So have U learned how to spell tactfull yet.....point for Mark

Merry

[Guest guest]

Susie,

You are right on target! An alcoholic can completely give up booze; a drug

addict can kick the habbit. They never have to look at it again! But a

foodaholic can't *quit cold turkey* or even use a patch or go to *food rehab*!

They are trapped for life in a society that uses food for socail and business

occasions and for rewards! How can you give it up completely? Impossible! We

should feel for the *foodie* rather than run him into the ground! Toni

OtterCritter@... wrote:

> From: OtterCritter@...

>

> (I think my incoming mail is kaput for now, but let's see if outgoing still

> works ... )

>

> Mr. Edd wrote:

>

> << Kay, Kay, Kay - Look at what you are saying: " The bad thing is now all of

> them bring food in

> the house which I definitely shouldn't have but do 'Just because it's

> there. "

>

> [Translation: It is their fault, not mine. I want to do what I know I

> should, and what is best for me and my family but they won't let me. See

> I'm just a VICTIM.]

>

> " Have gained weight and see no way out of this situation. "

>

> [Translation: It is not my fault I gained weight, it is their fault. I AM

> NOT RESPONSIBLE . See, I'm just a VICTIM]

>

> Kay, your family is not responsible for your decisions or your actions. You

> are.

>

> P.S. This is a great time to teach your granddaughter how to eat

> " properly. " Don't let her have cookies. Trust me it won't kill her. >>

>

> Mr. Edd, I slept on responding to this post. I thought it was unduly harsh

> yesterday, and I still do. " Kay " is admitting she is having difficulty

> dealing with the emotional aspects of eating. Many people struggle with

> this. Food is a basic part of our " reward " system. Many of us have admitted

> that it's hard to constantly turn down food when it's right there in front

> of us, just as others would struggle to continually deny themselves

> cigarettes or booze or drugs if they were trying to kick a habit, but

> circumstances forced them to be around others who use their " problem

> substance " and leave it lying around. How many recovering alcoholics, e.g.,

> could live with others who drink - and who leave bottles sitting out

> invitingly, and not take a nip? How many could be constantly exposed to the

> temptation and honestly say they are not tempted? People use terms like

> " recovering alcoholic " to indicate that it is an ongoing process.

>

> I think " Kay " deserves a more humane response than this. I think we are all

> having a tough struggle with many aspects of our shared disease. I hope you

> will reconsider what you posted.

>

> Susie

>

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Hi from Kay,

You are all great! Thanks Susie for looking out for my feelings and thanks

Merry for saying if that's what it takes to get me doing what I should

maybe Mr. Edd was justified. You're both right and so I must tell you what

I did about that post from Mr. Edd. I e-mailed him privately last night

and thanked him for the " wake up call " . My sister Betty

scared us so badly a year and a half ago when she had a 4 vessel bypass

done and almost didn't make it. She is 13 years older than I am and had

been diabetic for about 15 years and made no attempt to control it. She

went to the doctor as little as possible and referred to the

Glycohemoglobin test as " the cheater's test " . I've watched all she's been

through and still couldn't see the forest for the trees. Thanks to all you

very

caring people out there. Mom used to tell me when I'd say " I can't " that

can't never did anything because to accomplish anything you have to take

the plunge and try. She's been gone 25 years so maybe it's time I started

to say, I can and follow through. Thanks all for listening.

Kay

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From: Om8421@...

To: diabetes_intonelist

Subject: Re: eating can be a bad habit

Date: Thursday, April 15, 1999 3:24 PM

From: Om8421@...

Merry here....got to jump in for Kay and Mr.Ed.

Yup Kay is right there is no way she can quit eating and survive.

It

is difficult to ovoid the stuff we can't have. I think I will Ralf all

over

the next person that tells me

(Oh just one bite can't hurt) Lets face it NOBODY but another diabetic

will

ever understand what it is like.....

I think Mr. Ed was just saying that Kay is the only one who has the

ultamate control over this. I think he was just trying to boost her not

put

her down...he was saying she can't blame others for her being diabetic, nor

can she blame others for what she eats. I think he was trying to help Kay

get control.

I havn't been on this list very long but I have seen many different

ways different people try to help each other.....somtimes it works n

somethimes ya just got to use the delete button.

I agree with both Kay & Mr. Ed. This is an unfair way to have to

live

our lives...God knows I worship chocolate.....I want one now....I can taste

it....But this is my fact of life and I have to claim it and take control

of

it. I think Mr. Ed was trying to help Kay claim her life. I can't have

that

chocolate or I might be cutting my life short...

Kay......never give up trying lots of people who care here

Mr. Ed.....U took time to respond which shows U care.

Susie......All of the wonderful information you post shows U care.

We are all here to support each other in many different ways...Thank God

for each one of you...what works for one won't for the next.

Hope I didn't over step....sending hugs to all 3 of U.

Merry In Mich

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Om8421@... wrote:

> From: Om8421@...

>

> Merry here....got to jump in for Kay and Mr.Ed.

> Yup Kay is right there is no way she can quit eating and survive. It

> is difficult to ovoid the stuff we can't have. I think I will Ralf all over

> the next person that tells me

> (Oh just one bite can't hurt) Lets face it NOBODY but another diabetic will

> ever understand what it is like.....

> <snip>

Was invited to a coffee at church the other night for new members. There were

three dm mers there. (I was one of them) It was coffee, punch, and desserts --

all kinds of gorgeous, yummy desserts. And I was the only one who stuck to my

diet. My brother was another one of them. I looked over and he had *four*

desserts on his plate! His wife told me today " oh, it didn't hurt Jerry a bit.

His bgs were great the next am. " I told her that of course they were! All

those

carbs were out of his body by then (he only tests for fbs) I told her that if

he

had checked a couple hours later, it would have told the tale! Sometimes we

forget that! Toni

[Guest guest]

> <<<...His wife told me today " oh, it didn't hurt Jerry a bit.

> His bgs were great the next am. " I told her that of course they were! All

those

> carbs were out of his body by then (he only tests for fbs) I told her that if

he

> had checked a couple hours later, it would have told the tale! Sometimes we

> forget that!>>>

Toni,

WOW.!!! That's pretty sad.. What was her response when you told her the way it

really

worked.??

I don't think I know-it-all but I've experimented enough with meals & bg levels

to

know how food I eat affects me... but I've met several t-2's who've had it

longer

than I have that have pretty serious misconceptions...like Oatmeal is a free

food.

I'm still in the mode of being pretty concerned about body parts being cut off

down

the road... I'm sticking to my carb watching and no sugar added routine..

[Guest guest]

Mr Edd wrote:

>

>

>

> Susie,

>

> I read your letter and re-read mine.

>

> My purpose in writing was to point out an underlying psychology which I see

> as destructive. In the past I have seen it in myself and didn't like it

> there either, so I changed it. While what you say has validity it does not

> change the fact that we are each responsible for our own conduct; not

> others.

>

> One of my many faults is that I am blunt. I realize that this offends

> others - but I assure you that it not done maliciously.

>

> >From her response, I take it that Kay received my message in the spirit in

> which it was intended.

>

> If I offended you or Kay, I apologize.

>

> This group is so helpful, so special,that I would rather just lurk than post

> a single inhumane note.

>

> Mr. Edd

>

> Re: eating can be a bad habit

>

> >From: OtterCritter@...

> >

> >(I think my incoming mail is kaput for now, but let's see if outgoing still

> >works ... )

> >

> >Mr. Edd wrote:

> >

> ><< Kay, Kay, Kay - Look at what you are saying: " The bad thing is now all

> of

> >them bring food in

> >the house which I definitely shouldn't have but do 'Just because it's

> >there. "

> >

> >[Translation: It is their fault, not mine. I want to do what I know I

> >should, and what is best for me and my family but they won't let me. See

> >I'm just a VICTIM.]

> >

> > " Have gained weight and see no way out of this situation. "

> >

> >[Translation: It is not my fault I gained weight, it is their fault. I AM

> >NOT RESPONSIBLE . See, I'm just a VICTIM]

> >

> >Kay, your family is not responsible for your decisions or your actions.

> You

> >are.

> >

> >P.S. This is a great time to teach your granddaughter how to eat

> > " properly. " Don't let her have cookies. Trust me it won't kill her. >>

> >

> >Mr. Edd, I slept on responding to this post. I thought it was unduly harsh

> >yesterday, and I still do. " Kay " is admitting she is having difficulty

> >dealing with the emotional aspects of eating. Many people struggle with

> >this. Food is a basic part of our " reward " system. Many of us have admitted

> >that it's hard to constantly turn down food when it's right there in front

> >of us, just as others would struggle to continually deny themselves

> >cigarettes or booze or drugs if they were trying to kick a habit, but

> >circumstances forced them to be around others who use their " problem

> >substance " and leave it lying around. How many recovering alcoholics, e.g.,

> >could live with others who drink - and who leave bottles sitting out

> >invitingly, and not take a nip? How many could be constantly exposed to the

> >temptation and honestly say they are not tempted? People use terms like

> > " recovering alcoholic " to indicate that it is an ongoing process.

> >

> >I think " Kay " deserves a more humane response than this. I think we are all

> >having a tough struggle with many aspects of our shared disease. I hope you

> >will reconsider what you posted.

> >

> >Susie

Mr. Edd.. I think your post was right on. I'm sure that Kay knows where

you were coming from, and sometimes the only way to get something

accross so it's effective is to tell it like it is.

Susie posts some real good stuff here, but she can be quite caustic and

overzealous herself, when she tells people that the reason they're not

doing well is because they need to low carb! I agree with watching

carbs, and staying on the low side of normal, but I will not low carb to

the extent that life is not a good place to be. There are some things

that I enjoy, and I work them into my overall plan.

What is important here is that people who respond to posts on this list

reflect a genuine wish to help others, for the most part.

--

Dave -- April 15, 1999

t2 08/98 Glucophage

Davor's daily aphorism:

Ever stop to think, and forget to start again?

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[Guest guest]

Her reply was " oh. " Can you believe...And he goes to a doctor at one of the

best

teaching hospitals around. They have threatened to put him on insulin, but he

managed,

with the help of alcohol to get his bgs down. Now he has stopped drinking and

it will be

interesting to see what his results are when he goes back to doc. I wonder why

they

haven't put him in an education program. And I have never heard him speak of an

HbA1C or

lab work. I'm sure they must do something! Who knows! Toni

Granger wrote:

>

>

> > <<<...His wife told me today " oh, it didn't hurt Jerry a bit.

> > His bgs were great the next am. " I told her that of course they were! All

those

> > carbs were out of his body by then (he only tests for fbs) I told her that

if he

> > had checked a couple hours later, it would have told the tale! Sometimes we

> > forget that!>>>

>

> Toni,

>

> WOW.!!! That's pretty sad.. What was her response when you told her the way it

really

> worked.??

>

> I don't think I know-it-all but I've experimented enough with meals & bg

levels to

> know how food I eat affects me... but I've met several t-2's who've had it

longer

> than I have that have pretty serious misconceptions...like Oatmeal is a free

food.

>

> I'm still in the mode of being pretty concerned about body parts being cut off

down

> the road... I'm sticking to my carb watching and no sugar added routine..

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Mr. Edd wrote:

<< ... This group is so helpful, so special,that I would rather just lurk

than post

a single inhumane note. >>

Please don't just lurk ... post! I'm Midwestern blunt myself.

Susie

[Guest guest]

Susie,

I read your letter and re-read mine.

My purpose in writing was to point out an underlying psychology which I see

as destructive. In the past I have seen it in myself and didn't like it

there either, so I changed it. While what you say has validity it does not

change the fact that we are each responsible for our own conduct; not

others.

One of my many faults is that I am blunt. I realize that this offends

others - but I assure you that it not done maliciously.

From her response, I take it that Kay received my message in the spirit in

which it was intended.

If I offended you or Kay, I apologize.

This group is so helpful, so special,that I would rather just lurk than post

a single inhumane note.

Mr. Edd

Re: eating can be a bad habit

>From: OtterCritter@...

>

>(I think my incoming mail is kaput for now, but let's see if outgoing still

>works ... )

>

>Mr. Edd wrote:

>

><< Kay, Kay, Kay - Look at what you are saying: " The bad thing is now all

of

>them bring food in

>the house which I definitely shouldn't have but do 'Just because it's

>there. "

>

>[Translation: It is their fault, not mine. I want to do what I know I

>should, and what is best for me and my family but they won't let me. See

>I'm just a VICTIM.]

>

> " Have gained weight and see no way out of this situation. "

>

>[Translation: It is not my fault I gained weight, it is their fault. I AM

>NOT RESPONSIBLE . See, I'm just a VICTIM]

>

>Kay, your family is not responsible for your decisions or your actions.

You

>are.

>

>P.S. This is a great time to teach your granddaughter how to eat

> " properly. " Don't let her have cookies. Trust me it won't kill her. >>

>

>Mr. Edd, I slept on responding to this post. I thought it was unduly harsh

>yesterday, and I still do. " Kay " is admitting she is having difficulty

>dealing with the emotional aspects of eating. Many people struggle with

>this. Food is a basic part of our " reward " system. Many of us have admitted

>that it's hard to constantly turn down food when it's right there in front

>of us, just as others would struggle to continually deny themselves

>cigarettes or booze or drugs if they were trying to kick a habit, but

>circumstances forced them to be around others who use their " problem

>substance " and leave it lying around. How many recovering alcoholics, e.g.,

>could live with others who drink - and who leave bottles sitting out

>invitingly, and not take a nip? How many could be constantly exposed to the

>temptation and honestly say they are not tempted? People use terms like

> " recovering alcoholic " to indicate that it is an ongoing process.

>

>I think " Kay " deserves a more humane response than this. I think we are all

>having a tough struggle with many aspects of our shared disease. I hope you

>will reconsider what you posted.

>

>Susie

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Where in the Midwest, Mr. Edd? I live in Southern IL. You're right again

- this is the most helpful group I've found! Love you all, keep posting!

We're never too old to learn.

Kay

----------

From: Om8421@...

To: diabetes_intonelist

Subject: Re: eating can be a bad habit

Date: Thursday, April 15, 1999 5:34 PM

Mr. Edd wrote:

<< ... This group is so helpful, so special,that I would rather just lurk

than post

a single inhumane note. >>

Please don't just lurk ... post! I'm Midwestern blunt myself.

Susie

>>

Yipee for Blunt People.....gotta love em.....Mark never asks me

anything

unless he is prepared for my answer....In fact the other day he looked at

me

and said So have U learned how to spell tactfull yet.....point for Mark

Merry

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 99-04-15 16:25:51 EDT, you write:

<< .God knows I worship chocolate.....I want one now....I can taste

it.... >>

Merry, I gave up chocolate and all those other yummies when I was diagnosed

13 months ago...went on low-carb and pills for a year but it didn't do the

job...now I'm on insulin, matching carbs to insulin and I find I can have a

LITTLE BIT of chocolate now and then...like I buy one of those little

chocolate orange slice things -- think they're german or swiss, it comes in

a ball and you hit it and it separates into slices -- one slice equals about

5 carbs -- and after doing without chocolate for over a year, one slice,

sucked slowly and with absolute concentration tastes WONDERFUL ...and since

one slice is better than nothing I'm perfectly happy with it! Vicki

[Guest guest]

Kay asks:

<< Where in the Midwest, Mr. Edd? I live in Southern IL. You're right

again

- this is the most helpful group I've found! Love you all, keep posting!

We're never too old to learn. >>

I was born in Michigan and reared in Minnesota and North Dakota, before

heading for the Sunny South.

Susie

[Guest guest]

Kay,

Like me you seem to get confused about who the author of these post is. If

you scroll down you will see that Susie wrote, " Mr. Edd wrote....... " Then

she went on to say that she {Susie} was midwest blunt...

If that doesn't have you scratching your head, I am in south Florida.

The main thing is Kay, no matter where you go, there you are. :>)

Mr. Edd

None of us is as smart as all of us.

Re: eating can be a bad habit

>Date: Thursday, April 15, 1999 5:34 PM

>

>

> Mr. Edd wrote:

>

> << ... This group is so helpful, so special,that I would rather just lurk

> than post

> a single inhumane note. >>

>

> Please don't just lurk ... post! I'm Midwestern blunt myself.

>

> Susie

> >>

> Yipee for Blunt People.....gotta love em.....Mark never asks me

>anything

>unless he is prepared for my answer....In fact the other day he looked at

>me

>and said So have U learned how to spell tactfull yet.....point for Mark

>Merry

>

>------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

Edd...No matter where you are there you are! I like it! And remember there

will always be a diabetic there! Toni

Mr Edd wrote:

>

>

> Kay,

> Like me you seem to get confused about who the author of these post is. If

> you scroll down you will see that Susie wrote, " Mr. Edd wrote....... " Then

> she went on to say that she {Susie} was midwest blunt...

> If that doesn't have you scratching your head, I am in south Florida.

> The main thing is Kay, no matter where you go, there you are. :>)

> Mr. Edd

>

> None of us is as smart as all of us.

> Re: eating can be a bad habit

> >Date: Thursday, April 15, 1999 5:34 PM

> >

> >

> > Mr. Edd wrote:

> >

> > << ... This group is so helpful, so special,that I would rather just lurk

> > than post

> > a single inhumane note. >>

> >

> > Please don't just lurk ... post! I'm Midwestern blunt myself.

> >

> > Susie

> > >>

> > Yipee for Blunt People.....gotta love em.....Mark never asks me

> >anything

> >unless he is prepared for my answer....In fact the other day he looked at

> >me

> >and said So have U learned how to spell tactfull yet.....point for Mark

> >Merry

> >

> >------------------------------------------------------------------------

> >