Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Posted December 5, 2006 Can Carl or someone tell me the relationship between high CO levels and mold? My air samples from the sick building I was in were three times above OSHA's standard. How can high CO levels be related to mold exposure? I heard on a recent radio show on mold illness that there was a correlation. Tell me about the relationship between mold and oxygen levels in a room/building. Thank you. Quote
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Posted December 5, 2006 Hi,if i understand this right, carbon dioxide is converted from carbohydrates and other nutrients from mold feeding on different surfaces. <http://www.uvm.edu/pss/vtcrops/articles/Mycotoxins.html> if you put 'mycotoxins,carbon dioxide'in your search you may be able to find out more on this.and a better example of the one i posted. i just grabbed the first one i came across with a explanation on this. > > Can Carl or someone tell me the relationship between high CO levels > and mold? My air samples from the sick building I was in were three > times above OSHA's standard. How can high CO levels be related to mold > exposure? I heard on a recent radio show on mold illness that there > was a correlation. Tell me about the relationship between mold and > oxygen levels in a room/building. > Thank you. > Quote
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Posted December 5, 2006 Jeanine, CO is carbon monoxide, as in heater or stove fumes..automobile exhaust, etc. Its common for carbon monoxide to poison people in their homes because their heaters or stoves are not working right or vented properly. Its a product, especially, of incomplete combustion. It may also be one of the many different volatile gases produced by fungi under different growing conditions, this, I don't know, there are probably thousands or more.. On 12/5/06, who <jeaninem660@...> wrote: > > Hi,if i understand this right, carbon dioxide is converted from > carbohydrates and other nutrients from mold feeding on different > surfaces. > > <http://www.uvm.edu/pss/vtcrops/articles/Mycotoxins.html> > > if you put 'mycotoxins,carbon dioxide'in your search you may be able to > find out more on this.and a better example of the one i posted. i just > grabbed the first one i came across with a explanation on this. > > > > > > Can Carl or someone tell me the relationship between high CO levels > > and mold? My air samples from the sick building I was in were three > > times above OSHA's standard. How can high CO levels be related to mold > > exposure? I heard on a recent radio show on mold illness that there > > was a correlation. Tell me about the relationship between mold and > > oxygen levels in a room/building. > > Thank you. > > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Posted December 5, 2006 But to answer the original question, I have also seen something like this but I don't remember exactly where. But its quite possible that elevated carbon monoxide could stimulate some species of fungi to grow more. (or produce more toxins, as thats something they commonly do when they are under stress.) Or carbon monoxide in the bloodstream could make cytotoxic or inflammatory effects of fungal toxins more dangerous to cells, causing blood supply to the brain to be cut off or causing them to 'commit seppaku' i.e. apoptopsis. (programmed cell death) On 12/5/06, LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote: > Jeanine, > > CO is carbon monoxide, as in heater or stove fumes..automobile exhaust, etc. > Its common for carbon monoxide to poison people in their homes because their > heaters or stoves are not working right or vented properly. Its a product, > especially, of incomplete combustion. > > It may also be one of the many different volatile gases produced by fungi > under different growing conditions, this, I don't know, > there are probably thousands or more.. > > > > > On 12/5/06, who <jeaninem660@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi,if i understand this right, carbon dioxide is converted from > > carbohydrates and other nutrients from mold feeding on different > > surfaces. > > > > <http://www.uvm.edu/pss/vtcrops/articles/Mycotoxins.html> > > > > if you put 'mycotoxins,carbon dioxide'in your search you may be able to > > find out more on this.and a better example of the one i posted. i just > > grabbed the first one i came across with a explanation on this. > > > > > > > > > > Can Carl or someone tell me the relationship between high CO levels > > > and mold? My air samples from the sick building I was in were three > > > times above OSHA's standard. How can high CO levels be related to mold > > > exposure? I heard on a recent radio show on mold illness that there > > > was a correlation. Tell me about the relationship between mold and > > > oxygen levels in a room/building. > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Posted December 5, 2006 oops sorry, had my mind somewhere else. i dont know if carbon monoxide would be produced by mold off gasing or not. ieant to look for a list. babysetting, i must of got sidtracted while looking for a article on how carbon monoxide affects the brain. it can also be caused by your water heater not being vented well. > > > > > > Can Carl or someone tell me the relationship between high CO levels > > > and mold? My air samples from the sick building I was in were three > > > times above OSHA's standard. How can high CO levels be related to mold > > > exposure? I heard on a recent radio show on mold illness that there > > > was a correlation. Tell me about the relationship between mold and > > > oxygen levels in a room/building. > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Posted December 5, 2006 p.s if you live close to a major highway it could also cause co in the home. heres a few voc links,haven't read them voc's http://www.epa.gov/iaq/voc.html http://www.ilpi.com/msds/ref/voc.html > > > > > > Can Carl or someone tell me the relationship between high CO levels > > > and mold? My air samples from the sick building I was in were three > > > times above OSHA's standard. How can high CO levels be related to mold > > > exposure? I heard on a recent radio show on mold illness that there > > > was a correlation. Tell me about the relationship between mold and > > > oxygen levels in a room/building. > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Posted December 6, 2006 Sounds to me as if they are just 'exhaling'. Perhaps mold and other pathogens gives off carbon dioxide, like animals and humans. Biology class has been a while ago...but seems reasonable that every living thing consume oxygen, give off carbon dioxide. Quote
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2006 Report Posted December 7, 2006 *laugh* That reminds me of a classic moment in a film I saw a long time ago.. I don't know about fungi, because they are not plants, being more closely related to animals, (!) but I do know from biology class that ALL plants inhale carbon dioxide and emit oxygen.. Thats how we breathe, we (animals) breathe in what they produce, and vice versa.. So those trees are not 'stealing our oxygen', they are giving it to us. Plants breathe the CO2 (carbon dioxide) we breathe out as a byproduct of our metabolism.. and produce oxygen. Humans are animals, biologically speaking.. Everything that applies to 'animals' applies to us. We just have more responsibilities.... That we often are ignorant of.. *sigh* On 12/5/06, bbw <barb1283@...> wrote: > > Sounds to me as if they are just 'exhaling'. > Perhaps mold and other pathogens gives off carbon > dioxide, like animals and humans. Biology class > has been a while ago...but seems reasonable that > every living thing consume oxygen, give off > carbon dioxide. > > Quote
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2006 Report Posted December 7, 2006 The post was fine but you could have skipped the laugh quackadillian. I know the primary role play in our lives and the atmosphere is to produce oxygen, and I posted something about that here recently that I did green leafy vegetable juicing or eating green leafy vegetables since the chlorophyl in plants clean our atmosphere it's not a stretch to assume that is their role in our bodies to clean as well as oxygenate the blood, but they do take in oxygen through their roots. Since balance is what keeps things going, makes sense that what we exhale other things need to take in, otherwise where would all the excess go? It was a moment of illogic on my part which I do believe is rare..... However the subject was fungi. Why do you think there is high carbon dioxide or carbon monoxide in fungi atmosphere? --- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote: > > *laugh* > > That reminds me of a classic moment in a film I saw a long time Quote
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2006 Report Posted December 7, 2006 Okay, again if you would reread the post Live Simply, I did not say plants. I did say all living things though, would have erroneously included plants but reading your posts I thought I had said plants. > > Sounds to me as if they are just 'exhaling'. > Perhaps mold and other pathogens gives off carbon > dioxide, like animals and humans. Biology class > has been a while ago...but seems reasonable that > every living thing consume oxygen, give off > carbon dioxide. > Quote
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2006 Report Posted December 7, 2006 A better point for you to have made Live Simply is that oxygen is known to kill many bacteria, viruses and fungi, so probably not a big consumer of oxygen. That way you could have stuck to the subject of fungi and debunked my statement non the less. --- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote: > > *laugh* > Quote
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2006 Report Posted December 7, 2006 Im really sorry. I think I misinterpreted what you meant. Still, this seems to be a common misconception, (that plants consume oxygen) and that is a bad thing because destruction of plant habitat is one of the things that is making the atmosphere contain more CO2 and less O That could have unpredictable results for humanity, weather-wise. I don't think oxygen kills mold, if it did, we wouldn't have problems like we do being that the atmosphere is around 16% oxygen by weight... On 12/6/06, barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote: > > A better point for you to have made Live Simply is that oxygen is > known to kill many bacteria, viruses and fungi, so probably not a big > consumer of oxygen. That way you could have stuck to the subject of > fungi and debunked my statement non the less. > > > > > > *laugh* > > > > _ > Quote
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2006 Report Posted December 7, 2006 Barb, actually, I was wrong again, I'm sorry. The Earth's atmosphere is 20 or 21 percent oxygen at sea level. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_atmosphere http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen Its oxygen's atomic number that is 16. > > That could have unpredictable results for humanity, weather-wise. I don't > think oxygen kills mold, if it did, we wouldn't have problems like we do > being that the atmosphere is around 16% oxygen by weight... > > Quote
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2006 Report Posted December 7, 2006 Okay, now I really look like an idiot.. The atomic number of oxygen is 8, I dont know where I got the 16 from.. ....Whatever... On 12/7/06, LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote: > > Barb, actually, I was wrong again, I'm sorry. The Earth's atmosphere is 20 > or 21 percent oxygen at sea level. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_atmosphere > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen > > Its oxygen's atomic number that is 16. > > Quote
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2006 Report Posted December 8, 2006 Re: oxygen and mold I thought mold liked a low oxygen environment. Perhaps I am confusing it with low light environment. Anyway, hyperbaric oxygen treatment is supposed to help fight systemic infections, amoung other things. Have not really read up on it though. Like temperature, fungus probably handles oxygen within certain parameters and outside of those is toxic. Oxygen can be toxic to people too if they get too much and can damage lung tissue also so people need oxygen to stay within certain parameters. Oh well, I'm done with this now as topic seems to be drifting. Quote
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2006 Report Posted December 8, 2006 Some molds like more oxygen than others and some molds, including Stachybotrys, thrive with less oxygen. Same with moisture. The ones that are the first to thrive (Penicillium, Aspergillus and others) need less. Some, like Stachybotrys, need more. Some molds even need a certain amount of moisture to germinate the spores and then will grow even better (thrive) with a lesser amount. Which is to be expected when mold is a whole kingdom of life like animals and plants are each a kingdom. The individual species of each kingdom are not all the same and each species has many varieties. Think lions and tigers and bears, Oh My! Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC ----- > Re: oxygen and mold > I thought mold liked a low oxygen environment. > Perhaps I am confusing it with low light > environment. Anyway, hyperbaric oxygen treatment > is supposed to help fight systemic infections, > amoung other things. Have not really read up on > it though. > Like temperature, fungus probably handles oxygen > within certain parameters and outside of those is > toxic. Oxygen can be toxic to people too if they > get too much and can damage lung tissue also so > people need oxygen to stay within certain > parameters. > Oh well, I'm done with this now as topic seems to > be drifting. > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > Quote
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