Re: Mold in trailer

December 18, 2006

Ben trying to post this comment for days now but doesn't seem to

take. Hopefully it made it through this time.

On Tues, 12 Dec 2006 05:15:03 -0500, you wrote:

>,

>

>What is the make and model of your trailer? This should not be

happening.

I would like to be more specific, but don't want any law suites

directed at me. It's a 28' 2005 travel trailer with a vinyl covered

underbelly or wood floor. That is what people need to be concerned

with is the vinyl covering.

If they have this type of construction and they suspect mold they

should scrape off a little section of it anywhere they please if

it's

like mine it does not matter where you scrape you will find mold.

>

>Did you test the mold using a tape lift or something? Texas Tech at

>indoorairresearch.net has a microbiology lab that will test bulk

samples

>very inexpensively. I suggest that you send them a big sample of

the mold in

>two ziplok baggies. $40 should cover it unless it is stachybotrys

AND THEN

>you request toxin testing (a good idea if it is stachy)

Did do some test's waiting for the result's to get back but anyone as

familiar as I am with black mold can tell without even sending off

the

test's. I have a big problem.

>

>Ideally, you should have a disinterested third party collect the

samples,

>fill out the chain of custody form etc.

>

>Good luck with this. Sounds like they owe you a new trailer and

several

>years of your life..

I do believe they owe me a new trailer but they insist I voided the

warranty by living in it. So they leave me no choice but to take

legal

action. I would have been perfectly happy to relieve them of any

further liability if they would have given me a new trailer but they

seemed offended at this proposal. (might be the way I worded that

proposal) And pretty much said their not

talking with me any longer when I said it's clearly a manufactures

defect.

December 19, 2006

On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 20:45:23 -0500, you wrote:

>,

>

>This is America. They think they hold all of the cards. You are sick. What

>they are counting on is that you won't be able to afford to sue them.

That's what bob smith at progreen was counting on and he was right. I

didn't trust the lawyers. I was afraid they would keep strapping me

for cash and it would become a bottomless pit. But the clincher was

when they gave me a piece of paper to sign that said I could be

responsible for paying the defendant's legal fees also if I lost.

Don't know weather anyone has listened to the audio version of " a

civil action " . It went into a great bit more detail as to the in's

and out's of cases like these than the movie. How hard it is to win

them, just how big of a gamble it is for lawyers to take cases like

these. How much work is involved on their part, the massive cash

expenditures they must put out of their own pocket's. And how the

burden of proof is on them. And if they lose they lose everything. I

recommend to anyone they get the audio version and listen to it.

I still wish I would have took him to court I deserved my day in

court. That's what people expect in this country is justice for all.

Until they have had the rug pulled out from underneath them they think

that is what you get in America. He put down thousands of pounds of

pesticides that were clearly labeled " water in after application " they

were designed to activate themselves and break down only after being

watered in and allowed to dry. He would have never done this if he

knew it was he who had to come in behind himself and mow but because

it was me he had no problem with this what so ever.

I don't think I would be sick today if it were not for his lack of

decency and professionalism.

People can't comprehend what it's like to have everything taken away

from them until it's happened to them. Your health, your livelihood,

your savings, everything you worked for and accumulated, your future,

your friends, your pride, your respect, your sanity.

Ten years later I am sleeping in the cab of my pickup truck and

wearing a respirator just so I can go inside and cook for myself. I

can't get on SSI, they just tell me to go and get a job.

I am still working on an all metal solution to my problem. But the

mold here is definitely taking it's toll on me even with the

respirator I am using.

I remember seeing this dude on TV that was a prisoner in a work camp,

he was horribly abused by the Japanese. He said something to the

effect that his determination to keep going was based in that he was

not going to let those SOB'S win. And 50 years later he was on TV

reminiscing over their loss. I am hoping one day to be in a similar

situation where the criminals that made what happed to me and

thousands like me possible through their fraud and deceit, finally get

to face justice.

>

>Call your state's Department of Consumer Affairs and the BBB and make formal

>complaints, and you also need to start talking to lawyers..

I need to find some unbiased party that can come and document the

damage and access it's probable cause so I can take this piece of

trash trailer to the dump where it belongs.

>

>Also, you should try to search to see if there are others like you.

Been doing that. Put my feelers out in RV forms. I already believe

there is though. A reputable source told me so. I believe all the

hurricane victims that were blaming VOC'S for their sudden illness

that started and abated with staying in travel trailers similar to

mine might actually be from mold maybe even from the same defect as I

believe my trailer has.

http://geocities.com/antares40_40/trailer.html

>

>AS LONG AS YOU TELL THE TRUTH *AND CAN PROVE IT* THEY CAN'T SUE YOU.

I have to be real careful to adhere to these guidelines. I do want to

get the truth out there. These trailer's could be making lot's of

people sick. They need to know. Even if their not getting sick though

people deserve and expect to get a mold free trailer when they buy it

new. That's why they didn't buy them used!

I just got the test results back out of two test's the same results

which are consistent with what I saw as being black mold.

Cladosporium is the species.

I peeled back the vinyl on two locations,

the front left where I took one of those pictures and also the middle

where it would be the least likely that it got wet do to neglect on my

part or even the dealers before I got it. The locations were sealed

seconds before I lifted the samples so there was no chance for any

growth like one might be able to imply if I took it from any place

that was open to the air for a few days or even hours. I immediately

upon lifting the sample put it onto a glass slide like you use in

microscopy. So there was no chance for contamination before the lab

got it. The sample areas were dry and showed no signs of water damage.

My feeling is the mold simply grew because the paper they used as

backing for the vinyl was a very rich food source and the vinyl sealed

in the natural moisture in the wood which was all the mold needed to

grow.

I thought it very slim that it was some type of glue but now I know

beyond any reasonable doubt it was not.

December 19, 2006

- yes on this site I can say we feel your pain-when I think of

everything I have lost I just about loose it--so I try to consentrate

on what I still have- which is hope that I will be able to get back

my business and get healthy--I am so lucky to be self employed in a

business I can do at home when I feel good- and clients who do not

demand time-frames- in that I am better off than most. This time of

year is especially hard on all of us-I am so far away from my family-

and my mother and gram both went into the hospital yesterday-hold on

- we are all working together here to get back our health and

lives

with much love for everyone

- In , Christ <antares41_41@...>

wrote:

>

> On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 20:45:23 -0500, you wrote:

>

> >,

> >

> >This is America. They think they hold all of the cards. You are

sick. What

> >they are counting on is that you won't be able to afford to sue

them.

> That's what bob smith at progreen was counting on and he was

right. I

> didn't trust the lawyers. I was afraid they would keep strapping me

> for cash and it would become a bottomless pit. But the clincher was

> when they gave me a piece of paper to sign that said I could be

> responsible for paying the defendant's legal fees also if I lost.

>

> Don't know weather anyone has listened to the audio version of " a

> civil action " . It went into a great bit more detail as to the in's

> and out's of cases like these than the movie. How hard it is to win

> them, just how big of a gamble it is for lawyers to take cases like

> these. How much work is involved on their part, the massive cash

> expenditures they must put out of their own pocket's. And how the

> burden of proof is on them. And if they lose they lose

everything. I

> recommend to anyone they get the audio version and listen to it.

>

> I still wish I would have took him to court I deserved my day in

> court. That's what people expect in this country is justice for all.

> Until they have had the rug pulled out from underneath them they

think

> that is what you get in America. He put down thousands of pounds of

> pesticides that were clearly labeled " water in after application "

they

> were designed to activate themselves and break down only after being

> watered in and allowed to dry. He would have never done this if he

> knew it was he who had to come in behind himself and mow but because

> it was me he had no problem with this what so ever.

>

> I don't think I would be sick today if it were not for his lack of

> decency and professionalism.

>

> People can't comprehend what it's like to have everything taken away

> from them until it's happened to them. Your health, your livelihood,

> your savings, everything you worked for and accumulated, your

future,

> your friends, your pride, your respect, your sanity.

>

> Ten years later I am sleeping in the cab of my pickup truck and

> wearing a respirator just so I can go inside and cook for myself. I

> can't get on SSI, they just tell me to go and get a job.

>

> I am still working on an all metal solution to my problem. But the

> mold here is definitely taking it's toll on me even with the

> respirator I am using.

>

> I remember seeing this dude on TV that was a prisoner in a work

camp,

> he was horribly abused by the Japanese. He said something to the

> effect that his determination to keep going was based in that he was

> not going to let those SOB'S win. And 50 years later he was on TV

> reminiscing over their loss. I am hoping one day to be in a similar

> situation where the criminals that made what happed to me and

> thousands like me possible through their fraud and deceit, finally

get

> to face justice.

> >

> >Call your state's Department of Consumer Affairs and the BBB and

make formal

> >complaints, and you also need to start talking to lawyers..

> I need to find some unbiased party that can come and document the

> damage and access it's probable cause so I can take this piece of

> trash trailer to the dump where it belongs.

> >

> >Also, you should try to search to see if there are others like you.

> Been doing that. Put my feelers out in RV forms. I already believe

> there is though. A reputable source told me so. I believe all the

> hurricane victims that were blaming VOC'S for their sudden illness

> that started and abated with staying in travel trailers similar to

> mine might actually be from mold maybe even from the same defect as

I

> believe my trailer has.

> http://geocities.com/antares40_40/trailer.html

> >

> >AS LONG AS YOU TELL THE TRUTH *AND CAN PROVE IT* THEY CAN'T SUE

YOU.

> I have to be real careful to adhere to these guidelines. I do want

to

> get the truth out there. These trailer's could be making lot's of

> people sick. They need to know. Even if their not getting sick

though

> people deserve and expect to get a mold free trailer when they buy

it

> new. That's why they didn't buy them used!

>

> I just got the test results back out of two test's the same results

> which are consistent with what I saw as being black mold.

>

> Cladosporium is the species.

>

> I peeled back the vinyl on two locations,

> the front left where I took one of those pictures and also the

middle

> where it would be the least likely that it got wet do to neglect on

my

> part or even the dealers before I got it. The locations were sealed

> seconds before I lifted the samples so there was no chance for any

> growth like one might be able to imply if I took it from any place

> that was open to the air for a few days or even hours. I immediately

> upon lifting the sample put it onto a glass slide like you use in

> microscopy. So there was no chance for contamination before the lab

> got it. The sample areas were dry and showed no signs of water

damage.

> My feeling is the mold simply grew because the paper they used as

> backing for the vinyl was a very rich food source and the vinyl

sealed

> in the natural moisture in the wood which was all the mold needed to

> grow.

>

> I thought it very slim that it was some type of glue but now I know

> beyond any reasonable doubt it was not.

>

December 19, 2006

My father used to say for his birthday or any holiday requiring gifts that all

he wanted was to keep what he had. I'd like a little more than that. I'd like

some of my vitality back.

carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote: - yes on this site I

can say we feel your pain-when I think of