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>Hi everyone,

>Now the diabetic nurse told us not to get our hopes up, but it maybe the

>case that my daughter will not need insulin and although very rare for a

>child of her age who has diabetes, it sometimes happens and they are a sort

>of Child Type 2?

>

>Id never heard of it before, have you?

Gill, I was diagnosed at fifteen years old as Type 2. Although rare, it

does happen. Your daughter (and I) should count our blessings.

>Im type 2 and diet controlled for 1 year now, but my control is not good at

>present, due to many stress factors in my life at present. They are

talking

>about putting me on insulin!

>Im totally confused.

I am currently not on insulin, but I was taking shots in the latter part of

1997 in order to get my levels under control. I would only take it on a

sliding scale: 2 units if my readings were over 170, 4 units over 200, 6

units over 250, and so on.

Now, I'm under really good control with oral meds, diet and exercise. I

don't know what the situation is with you and your daughter, but it may be

that her injections have stabilized her levels so that she can now go off

insulin and on different treatment. Even though you're a Type 2, your

levels may be out of control and the doctor wants you on insulin to

stabilize them. Being Type 2, unfortunately, doesn't mean it is impossible

for us to have to go on insulin.

Another possibility is that your body has become accustomed to the treatment

which you are currently on, whether oral meds, diet, exercise or a

combination of those three. You may now need to " step up, " so to speak, to

the next level of treatment in order to bring your levels back into control.

I'm not sure, but I think that this phenomenon is called insulin resistance.

(Anybody please feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken.) It is a

dastardly wrench thrown into the already complicated mechanisms of diabetes.

As I understand it, even with good diet, exercise, and self-control, over

time a Type 2 diabetic's body undergoes changes (age or pregnancy, for

example). These changes in the body require subsequent changes in

treatment. Eventually, a Type 2 may be required to go on daily insulin

therapy to maintain good levels. It is not an eventuality which I am

looking forward to, but in my old age, I may be required to be on insulin

for good (and I HATE needles with a passion). C'est la vie

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> Hi everyone,

>

> I was wondering if anyone has ever heard of this happening before, as I am

> still very much learning about diabetes and I am a Type 2, my daughter a

> Type 1.

>

> My question: The other day my daughters diabetic health care nurse came

> round our house and took some blood from my daughter. My daughter, ,

> has been diagnoised as Type 1 for about 7 months now. She had been started

> on one injection in the morning and we have slowly increased the amount of

> insulin when it has been necessary. We were warned that eventually she will

> need 2 injections etc, but it was felt that she should start on one

> injection to get use to it when diagnoised, as you had never and has still

> never had hypos and her blood sugars are not very bad, so her pancreas is

> still producing insulin, she is 14 yrs by the way.

>

> Now the diabetic nurse told us not to get our hopes up, but it maybe the

> case that my daughter will not need insulin and although very rare for a

> child of her age who has diabetes, it sometimes happens and they are a sort

> of Child Type 2?

>

> Id never heard of it before, have you?

I personally know of a father and daughter case quite similar

to yours. I have known them since 1952! I followed their histories

year by year.

Sondra was diagnosed in her teens as Type 2, the same diagnosis as her

father. During her early 20's, she even took insulin for about 3 years.

Eventually, though, her need for insulin disappeared.

Since then, and to date (Sondra is now 54 years old), she has

never had any problem with diabetes, perhaps because she opted

to stay out of the " baby game " and kept from getting pregnant.

>

> Im type 2 and diet controlled for 1 year now, but my control is not good at

> present, due to many stress factors in my life at present. They are talking

> about putting me on insulin!

Insulin doesn't work very well for people under stress. (I know this.)

Maybe someone should go to work on the sources of your stress, or perhaps

show you the use of some non-addictive substance(s) that could lessen

the negative effects of stress on your body.

I won't go any farther here, since many people have a great deal

of prejudice on these subjects (I am NOT referring to anything

illegal).

Michel

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beastman@... writes:

<< http://www.onelist.com/viewarchive.cgi?listname=Type2diabetes >>

thanks Bill.....I just put my name on that list.....Merry

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>From: VPolzin@...

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>Hello Everybody,

>I seem to be doing pretty well with my numbers and everything. I have not

>gotten any of the low carb books yet,could some of you write in and tell of

>the things you eat for breakfast. I have never been a breakfast person so I

>am really having to work on this

>

>Thanks

>

Hi,

I eat egg substitute or egg whites. Just a minute in the microwave and

they're done, and I'm out the door :>) Some grated cheese in them on the

weekends when I have a little more time.

Robin G.

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Susie,

We seem to have quite a bit in common:).Have you tried Edy's No Sugar Added

Ice Cream,when I go with some type of frozen product is this what ya'll would

recommend ?

Did ya'll see the diabetic 2 stuff on dateline tonight?

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I didn't see the whole thing.I was watching two different shows relating to

health care,the diabetic one,says overweight kids are showing up with

Diabetes 2 like as young teenagers and one of the teenagers was not that over

weight and no one in her family has diabetes.

The other show only has to do with Fl which is where I live but if this law

stays in place here it may be coming to your community soon.If I am over 25

and one of my family members dies from medical malpratice,I can't sue. If my

son is over 25 and dies from malpratice, and I am over 25 I can't sue. Well I

now know why I lived 8-10 years in this state with diabetes and went

undiagnosed,they said we are getting the crappy doctors because of this

law,its going before Fl Supreme Court

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I have 1cup corn flakes or cheerios, 8oz. skim milk, 4oz. orange juice or

cranberry juice, Sweet n'Low sweetener, 2 slices of brownbread toast, and a

cup or two of coffee. Then I start my day.

Don and Penguinie who has kippers snacks O-

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writes:

<< could some of you write in and tell of the things you eat for breakfast.

I have never been a breakfast person so I am really having to work on >>

I'm not a breakfast person either, but if I go out to eat, I eat ham and

eggs - no toast or cereal or sweet stuff - and canteloupe as a dessert. At

home I don't eat until mid-morning. I usually fix a huge salad or some

vegetables and add lean meat.

Susie

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writes:

<< Have you tried Edy's No Sugar Added Ice Cream,when I go with some type of

frozen product is this what ya'll would recommend ? >>

" Guilt-Free " brand nonfat, sugar-free ice cream. It tastes fine ... and it

works better than Ex-Lax!! hahahahaha

Other good products for beating the heat:

" Guilt-Free " nonfat fudge bars (13 grams carbs, less 1 gram fiber).

" Good Humor " sugar-free popsicles (3 grams carbs)

There is a chocolate-covered ice cream bar too - I forget the carb count.

<< Did ya'll see the diabetic 2 stuff on dateline tonight>>

No - tell us about it!

Susie

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writes:

<< Well I now know why I lived 8-10 years in this state with diabetes and

went

undiagnosed,they said we are getting the crappy doctors because of this

law,its going before Fl Supreme Court >>

I have heard and seen worse things about doctors in Florida than anywhere! I

think it is because of so many elderly, some of whom are too pleasant for

their own good, and Florida's reputation for letting businesses do as they

please. The banks have always referred to Florida as the " Sunshine State "

because of their corrupt banking laws. The amount of Medicare fraud,

overbilling, overprescribing, unnecessary surgery, etc., is appalling. Some

patients have to see their doctors every month, just to get their Lasix

prescriptions refilled. Lots of compliant elderly citizens, corrupt

politics, government-run health coverage ... what a mess that combination

has created!

Susie

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Don writes:

<< I have 1cup corn flakes or cheerios, 8oz. skim milk, 4oz. orange juice or

cranberry juice, Sweet n'Low sweetener, 2 slices of brownbread toast, and a

cup or two of coffee. >>

Your breakfast contains 100 grams of carbs ... more than many of eat in an

entire day. Do you find control difficult?

Susie

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I really need ya'lls help,my brother has Barrett's (precancerous esphogus),he

was tested 25 days ago,they told us it would be around 7 days before we got

the results,well we still don't have the results,he has called them about

every other day since about the 14th day. The drs office says the lab

thought his biopsies were suspicious and is getting a second opinion,I think

someone has lost the biopsis or confused them and now we will be afraid to

trust what they tell us,any suggestions would be greatly appreciated

[Guest guest]

Susie,

So far my brother has only spoken to the staff,but she finally said she was

going to talk to the dr about this and maybe he would call the lab and they

would call us back,of course the staff has yet to call us on anything,had we

not called he still would know nothing.I considered suggesting he call his

primary or his ins co.

The light info was very helpful,I will pass it on to him,we had not seen that

as an alternative but we had not began to look yet.

Thanks

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I live in Florida and you are really right. I have seen it myself but I

must admit that I have finally latched onto a good one. She diagnosed

the diabetes immediately. I had only gone in for a routine pap smear. I

am having a thing with the dietician though. She wants me to eat more

carbs a day. I keep my count around 20-30 per day and she says that I am

going to get sick. I feel fine. She wants me to match a carb and a

protein with each meal. I don't do that. I think it would bring the

numbers up too high. I do think this is very individual and my body is

not tolerating carbs.

Also, she changed my meter to an accucheck advantage and told me that I

would have higher readings because it measures venus (vein) blood rather

than capilary blood. I am having readings about 10 points higher. It

uses less blood per drop and is easier to use though. I really wish I

could get the BG's lower. Just thinking out loud.

Heller

OtterCritter wrote:

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>

>

> writes:

>

> << Well I now know why I lived 8-10 years in this state with diabetes and

> went

> undiagnosed,they said we are getting the crappy doctors because of this

> law,its going before Fl Supreme Court >>

>

> I have heard and seen worse things about doctors in Florida than anywhere! I

> think it is because of so many elderly, some of whom are too pleasant for

> their own good, and Florida's reputation for letting businesses do as they

> please. The banks have always referred to Florida as the " Sunshine State "

> because of their corrupt banking laws. The amount of Medicare fraud,

> overbilling, overprescribing, unnecessary surgery, etc., is appalling. Some

> patients have to see their doctors every month, just to get their Lasix

> prescriptions refilled. Lots of compliant elderly citizens, corrupt

> politics, government-run health coverage ... what a mess that combination

> has created!

>

> Susie

>

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wrote:

<< ... my brother has Barrett's (precancerous esphogus), he was

tested 25 days ago,they told us it would be around 7 days before

we got the results,well we still don't have the results, >>

it is so cruel to make you wait like this! Are you speaking with the

doctor - or the staff? Sometimes you can move things along if you get to the

doctor. Phone at least once a day.

I see good news about nonsurgical removal of the Barrett's dysplasia on the

internet:

" Barrett's esophagus (BE) is a serious consequence of chronic

gastroesophageal reflux disease (see Barrett's Esophagus for a detailed

description of BE). Because approximately 10% of patients with BE go on to

develop adenocarcinoma of the esophagus, it is important to identify those

therapies that may enhance regression of cells to normal pathology or that

limit the spread of these premalignant cells.

This presentation described the use of photodynamic therapy (PDT), which has

been found to effectively destroy dysplastic mucosa in patients with this

condition. In this series, 21 patients were assessed (20 with high-grade

dysplasia and one with low-grade dysplasia). Light (630 nm) was delivered

endoscopically using a diffuser or by a centering balloon technique. All but

one were treated as outpatients. Two patients needed 3 separate PDT

sessions, 3 needed 2 sessions, and the other 16 patients were treated only

once. All also received omeprazole maintenance therapy (20 mg BID for 3

months then 20 mg daily for 9 months).

The dysplasia was eliminated in 17 patients. No cancer was detected in 11

patients who were followed for periods of 6 to 16 months. Between 75% and

80% of the Barrett's mucosa was replaced by squamous epithelium after

treatment. Half of the patients developed esophageal stricture and all of

these patients responded to dilation (usually one dilation). When small

isolated islands of dysplastic tissue were found after light treatment,

these were readily eliminated by the use of YAG laser treatment. These

findings indicate that PDT can destroy dysplastic mucosa in BE and appears

to be a safe and effective alternative to more radical esophagectomy. The

role of long-term acid-suppressive therapy as an adjunctive therapy needs to

be evaluated in controlled trials. "

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Jennie,

the bread is wheat and is listed at 14 gm. per slice so two are 28 gr. +26

for the cereal and 30 for the milk and juice it comes to 26+28+30= 84 grams

so I bolus 16u and sometimes go low before lunch.

It is a nice breakfast,and at times I add some grape jelly but thenb that is

on special occassions.

Don and Penguinie pumper penguin O-

/'()\

[Guest guest]

Thank you Don,as we all know each diabetic is different,I just thought it

might help me to here what ya'll had for breakfast,since sometimes I go oooh

I have to eat.I was always a very spontanous person so I'm having to change

alot of things,but I'm happy to have the opportunity to get batter. Thanks

for your input

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Hi Susie,

no problem I am happy someone is interested in other peoples lives, as I

write this my cat is wathcing, she is fascinated ty the screen. I am a bit

insulin resistent,and I am type 1 I ahve ahd a disetronic pump for over three

yrs and love the versitility it gives me. My A1c's run between 7.3 and 7.0 I

am striving now to bring then down into the magic 6.whatever range but have

not been successful yet. Mine meat is a misspelling of mince meat. It is

what we used to call bologna. Meyer makes a non fat bologna that is

available in Albertson's here.

Don and Penguinie pumper penguin O-

/()'\

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Yay Susie! I'm REALLY appreciating your input! Vicki

[Guest guest]

Good thiing you clarified that Don; otherwise I would've thought it was the

sweet stuff they put in pies at Christmastime (yummy but definitely not

something diabetic should ever eat!) Are you in the U.S. or Canada or

England? Vicki

In a message dated 99-06-08 12:06:35 EDT, you write:

<< Mine meat is a misspelling of mince meat. It is

what we used to call bologna. >>

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> <<<Thank you Don,as we all know each diabetic is different,I just thought it

> might help me to here what ya'll had for breakfast,since sometimes I go oooh

> I have to eat.I was always a very spontanous person so I'm having to change

> alot of things,but I'm happy to have the opportunity to get batter.>>>

Hi ,

I have a Swanson " Great Starts " frozen breakfast (sausage, egg & potato) for 21

carbs, & a glass to tomato juice or some grapefruit slices.

I usually don't eat anything that is over 15 carbs.

[Guest guest]

Hi Vicki,

My wife just bawled me out for calling Bologna mince meat. Actually I am in

southeastern Idaho, I have had people in the East ask me which part of Canada

this is in but it is actually in the good old USof A. I am glad I was able

to clear that up. Penguinie says he will not trust me whan I tell him what I

am feeding him anymore.

He does like the Kipper snacks though he is trying to convince me penguins do

better on Caviar.

Nice hearing from you

Don and Penguinie the untrusting penguin O-

/'()\

[Guest guest]

Hi, Don, since you're in Idaho, what's your connection with penguins??? Vicki

[Guest guest]

Mickie,

We have about 12 or 14 jackass penguins in our zoo on loan from another zoo

we are hoping they can stay permanently. One of them just had a baby and it

sure is cute. We are all trying to learn as much about them as we can.

Also when I am swimming my wife tells me I dive like one of these feathery

pool lurkers. i am thinking of writing a childrens story for kids with

incurable diseases like diabetes featuring penguinie and his zoo friends.

this story would try to explain just how special the kids are with penguinie

as an example of diabetes behavior in different situations. Haven't quite

got it down right yet but hope to soon. Any suggestions would be helpful.

Don and Penguinie the pumper penguin O-

/( )'\

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Ah so! :-) Vicki

In a message dated 99-06-09 21:19:17 EDT, you write:

<< Hi, Don, since you're in Idaho, what's your connection with penguins???

>>

That would be the dreaded Snake River penguin ...a more fierce animal is not

known to man. They have been known to snap a salmon out of a she-bear's paw,

leap over tall buildings in a single bound, and give foolhardy interlopers a

really nasty flipper-kick to the shins.

Susie ) >>