Re: Horrid Day(s)............{VENT - long}

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In a message dated 10/31/01 9:59:02 AM Pacific Standard Time,

gracekeh@... writes:

<< I want to run away. I don't need this kitchen that is depleting me of all

money and energy, I don't need these kids that beat me up, and I definitely

don't even WANT my life that has no upside. But the saddest thing is - - I

don't even have anywhere to GO. >>

Grace,

((((((((Grace)))))))

Poor poor kiddo!

Grace, can you just lie in your bed and cry and scream all day today?

Would that make you feel a little better?

I'm so sorry you feel this way. I'm so sorry you have to deal with Madison

this way too. :-(

I'm sorry.

kandie

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Jacquie -

Thanks....

You know what the worst part is? She didn't even break my nose. If she at

least REALLY break my nose, it would be an opportune moment to get that

nosejob I've wanted.

But no, it's not even broken, just really bruised and sore and painful.

Everytime I yawn or smile, it hurts, and then my blood boils again.

They are having a Halloween class party and parade right now at school. The

parents and siblings were invited. I assume that most of the parents

attended, but did I go? NO. I don't want to go. Don't want to see them

until I absolutely, legally must.

Besides, time is whizzing by right now, and I am still not getting that

refreshing feeling that I normally do, of missing them. I think it's not

coming today LOL.

I can't imagine getting knocked unconscious. I don't know what I would do.

I did tell Shaun to be nice to me though, because if my nose gets knocked up

one more time, it will undoubtedly really look like someone beat me up.

Nobody would believe that one little child could do it, and I could very

easily say that he did, if he acts like an asswipe.

And it does help to know has done something similar, although it would

definitely help more if he did it with his FOREHEAD instead of with a dog

bone. Then again, there is something funny about it being a dog bone. I

did giggle LOL.

Grace

Re: Horrid Day(s)............{VENT - long}

>

> Oh, Grace. <sigh>

>

> What a mess.

>

> There's nothing I can say to make it any better, but would it helped to

know that bloodied my nose once, too? Threw a dog bone right at my

face from point-blank range. I, too, was too shocked to kill -- that's what

saved him.

>

> Someone on this list a long time ago told a story about being knocked

unconscious when HER autie threw a full-sized can of juice at her head.

>

> Vicious little monsters, sometimes.

>

> (((hugs)))

>

> Jacquie

>

>

>

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Grace,

You could come over to my messy house any time you want to!

Now that goes to school--he's not even here until 2:30.

I'm really serious....you can come over as soon as this stupid cold is gone,

okay?

(probably 2 more days of it--yuck!)

kandie

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Thanks, Kandie.

I actually feel a little better after talking to my mom for an hour.

The possibility of my parents moving up here is quite real. Slim, but real.

And that is definitely more than " out of the question " from several months

ago. The thought in itself cheers me up. Imagine..... Grace drops off

kids, goes to work, someplace. All day. Grandma picks up kids, cooks for

kids at home, takes care of said kids, until Grace comes home?

Or .... Grandma successfully watches kids while Grace and Shaun watch a

movie?

Wow. I can't wipe the smirk off my face.

Now, if I can just fatten up that 'slim " part, I'm set.

Grace

Re: Horrid Day(s)............{VENT - long}

> In a message dated 10/31/01 9:59:02 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> gracekeh@... writes:

>

> << I want to run away. I don't need this kitchen that is depleting me of

all

> money and energy, I don't need these kids that beat me up, and I

definitely

> don't even WANT my life that has no upside. But the saddest thing is - -

I

> don't even have anywhere to GO. >>

>

> Grace,

> ((((((((Grace)))))))

> Poor poor kiddo!

> Grace, can you just lie in your bed and cry and scream all day today?

> Would that make you feel a little better?

>

> I'm so sorry you feel this way. I'm so sorry you have to deal with Madison

> this way too. :-(

>

> I'm sorry.

>

> kandie

>

> Kandie and (9 years)

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>

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Oh, Grace. <sigh>

What a mess.

There's nothing I can say to make it any better, but would it helped to know

that bloodied my nose once, too? Threw a dog bone right at my face from

point-blank range. I, too, was too shocked to kill -- that's what saved him.

Someone on this list a long time ago told a story about being knocked

unconscious when HER autie threw a full-sized can of juice at her head.

Vicious little monsters, sometimes.

(((hugs)))

Jacquie

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In a message dated 10/31/2001 12:59:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,

gracekeh@... writes:

> Now, I have no idea what to use for my countertops, and today is the

> day to pay him his second to last installment.

>

>

no it isn't.....please don't tell me you gave him a payment....please,

please, please....

say it ain't so....

Ron

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In a message dated 10/31/2001 12:59:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,

gracekeh@... writes:

> I want to run away. I don't need this kitchen that is depleting me of all

> money and energy, I don't need these kids that beat me up, and I definitely

> don't even WANT my life that has no upside. But the saddest thing is - - I

> don't even have anywhere to GO.

>

> Grace

>

Oh Grace....I'm so sorry about your day....

This exact thing happened to Terry with Sam....not twice on the same day but

2 or 3 times.....twice resulting in black eyes...I felt so bad for her. Of

course, then she looked like someone beat the shit out of her...which was

true really...Sam head butted her....but there were a few people who thought

it was me....

Great....

She has a couple of lesbian friends...not the nice lesbians...the kind of

lesbians that think all uncles should be made into aunt kind....anyway, they

were convinced that " yours truly " was now beating his wife.

I'm glad we're done that stage...I hope...

Ron

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In a message dated 10/31/2001 7:26:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,

gracekeh@... writes:

> Well, I thought you told me that I would have to abide by the contract since

> I didn't include a finish date?

>

>

But he didn't produce your counters....that is not going by the contract..or

is it?

Funny, I was just thinking about his and there you are..

ron

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In a message dated 10/31/2001 7:26:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,

gracekeh@... writes:

> so I *think* I made a stable

> decision.

>

yes

Ron

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In a message dated 10/31/2001 7:26:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,

gracekeh@... writes:

> Gee, this makes me wonder who's paying who here, huh?

> RON - why couldn't you have joined the list BEFORE we started this

> nightmare??????

>

> Grace

>

>

>

>

>

>

I'm still wondering why you don't live here in Macon...I could have used a

job like that...you'd have a kitchen and we'd have more money to fight that

lying sack of shit bio-dad

Ron

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Sam went through a phase of this yes.....I still don't know if it was on

purpose or not...I tend to think not...but he did go through a phase of

quickly moving and if you were in the way...boom...I caught it a few

times....in the head...which if you haven't guessed....nothing that gets me

in the head really hurts.

Ron, who is convinced he has concrete for a head

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In a message dated 10/31/2001 7:46:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,

gracekeh@... writes:

> But the nose was a different story. Oh, it was very different. I imagine

> an eye socket would be too. This means WAR.

>

> Grace

>

>

>

>

The music is playing in my head now....

" Risen from the bowels of the mean streets of Philadelphia and angry at her

twin autie girls who continue to bop her in the nose with head buts, Grace

pulls it together to become the champene of the world. "

Da da dadada da da dada....The Rockette theme song

Ron

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> no it isn't.....please don't tell me you gave him a payment....please,

> please, please....

> say it ain't so....

>

> Ron

Well, I thought you told me that I would have to abide by the contract since

I didn't include a finish date?

In any case, I paid for more reasons than just that.

I *know* he will finish the job. I just don't have a clue as to when. Not

only that, while I can use the last payment as leverage, I'm a little leery

about using 2 payments, because that is a whole lot more money than just one

payment. I have several things that he has promised to do outside of the

contract, like fixing a leaky hose faucet and mending a fence in one

corner - - - so I think it might be wiser for me to stay in his good graces

until that is done. The last payment is due when everything is COMPLETED,

instead of at the commencement of something, so I *think* I made a stable

decision.

I just know that I pretty much gave him 6500 less reasons to hurry up.

I hate him, but it's beneficial to me to have him finish this job, so kiss

his ass, I must.

Gee, this makes me wonder who's paying who here, huh?

RON - why couldn't you have joined the list BEFORE we started this

nightmare??????

Grace

[Guest guest]

> This exact thing happened to Terry with Sam....not twice on the same day

but

> 2 or 3 times.....twice resulting in black eyes...I felt so bad for her.

Of

> course, then she looked like someone beat the shit out of her...which was

> true really...Sam head butted her....but there were a few people who

thought

> it was me....'

Sometimes, I really wonder if Terry and I are leading parallel lives. If

nothing else, then we seem to think alike a lot of the times. While it IS a

tragedy, I am glad to hear that it's happened to more than just me. Having

it be just me, and just my child would suck MORE.

So... you're claiming this is a PHASE? Like... uh, what age does it pass?

> Great....

> She has a couple of lesbian friends...not the nice lesbians...the kind of

> lesbians that think all uncles should be made into aunt kind....anyway,

they

> were convinced that " yours truly " was now beating his wife.

" Not the nice lesbians " ???? LMAO - you crack me up, Ron. I take it they

don't approve of you as a male? HEE HEE

Thanks for understanding, Ron. I feel a little better than this morning,

but I have been really cautious around Madison's head, as I don't know when

it will come propelling towards me as a weapon.

Grace

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I settled on the counters. He brought over two samples of something else,

and we compared both inside and outside. It wasn't identical, but very

similar. Good enough. I was still annoyed, but not to the point of eating

him as prey.

This payment was due at " the commencement of the interior trim " which has

begun, to some degree. I had the mindset to withhold this payment until he

went and found me the same exact granite, but one look at him and I realized

I am just way beyond yelling and screaming at a grown man. Totally

resigned.

I'm just going to chew him up and spit him out in chunks when he's finished.

Grace

Re: Horrid Day(s)............{VENT - long}

> In a message dated 10/31/2001 7:26:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> gracekeh@... writes:

>

>

> > Well, I thought you told me that I would have to abide by the contract

since

> > I didn't include a finish date?

> >

> >

>

> But he didn't produce your counters....that is not going by the

contract..or

> is it?

>

> Funny, I was just thinking about his and there you are..

>

> ron

>

>

>

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> Ron, who is convinced he has concrete for a head

Ron, I thought the same thing. My children and I have unintentionally

collided foreheads before, and they have bumped into other portions of my

head. Usually, I am okay enough to be more concerned about their heads than

mine, as it doesn't hurt too much.

But the nose was a different story. Oh, it was very different. I imagine

an eye socket would be too. This means WAR.

Grace

[Guest guest]

Grace I am sorry you are going though such a hard time right know. Just keep

telling us about it and hopefully things will start to get better.

Lori

Re: Horrid Day(s)............{VENT - long}

In a message dated 10/31/01 9:59:02 AM Pacific Standard Time,

gracekeh@... writes:

<< I want to run away. I don't need this kitchen that is depleting me of all

money and energy, I don't need these kids that beat me up, and I definitely

don't even WANT my life that has no upside. But the saddest thing is - - I

don't even have anywhere to GO. >>

Grace,

((((((((Grace)))))))

Poor poor kiddo!

Grace, can you just lie in your bed and cry and scream all day today?

Would that make you feel a little better?

I'm so sorry you feel this way. I'm so sorry you have to deal with Madison

this way too. :-(

I'm sorry.

kandie

Kandie and (9 years)

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In a message dated 10/31/01 10:00:17 AM Pacific Standard Time,

parenting_autism writes:

> Yesterday was a terrifying day. I was pretty much upset throughout the

> whole day.

>

>

Grace, Dear, we are here. I am glad you at least have somewhere to go to

share this awful day you have had. Perhaps Shaun could give you an extended

hug. Here is mine {{{{{{{{HUG}}}}}}}}}.

I was nearly crying along with you. Please continue to come here and vent

this stuff, you can at least know that you are not a bad mommy, even with all

the anger you must be keeping a lid on.

Can you get some respite care for your little " Darlings, " so you can go and

obtain some peace?

Barb

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Grace,

you poor thing. I havent had a day like that in a while. I have 2

boys but one is older by almost 2 yrs and that makes a difference. At

least school can be a break of asorts. I know when my boys start

school things dont seem to run smoothly for awhile. As for the

kitchen contractor, I would kick his lowlife butt! He is not worth

your patience. Good luck. Keep venting, only way to make sure you

won't overboil;)

Jacquie H

> Yesterday was a terrifying day. I was pretty much upset throughout

the

> whole day.

>

> The girls were fine at school, but Madison got a nickname - " Queen

of the

> Slide " - because there is a slide set in the middle of the

classroom, and

> Madison stands at the top of it and doesn't let anyone up. She

pushes off

> the kids who are trying to come up, and she even kicked Syd off the

set when

> she came up the steps. Syd fell, but she's okay.

> But that wasn't the horrid part.

>

> Then we came home. Madison napped a little, and Syd was playing in

her

> room. Then once Madison woke up, she was a terror child.

Everything

> elicited a tantrum. I was so completely fed up with her. To make

matters

> worse, there was one calm moment when I was holding her, and I

pulled her in

> front of me to look at her and tell her that she's a such a pretty

little

> thing. The girl then headbutted me in the nose. I honestly

thought my nose

> was broken, blood and everything. It seriously took everything in

me and

> then some to take her off my lap and put her on the ground calmly

instead of

> flinging her clear across the room. You know the kind of pain that

gets

> worse with every second? Well, that was my nose. Then, it got me

mad, so I

> picked her up and put her outside the room and shut the door on

her. Both

> her and Sydney then decided to try and kick the door down while I

was

> sobbing my eyes out in my room.

>

> I know life sucks, and I know my life is worse than even that. I

know that

> nothing goes as I plan, and that I have to try to build something

out of

> what I've been given. But getting beaten up by my child is just not

> something I think I can live with, or something that I think she

will live

> through if it keeps on happening. This is just too much.

>

> Then dinnertime was hellish. One kid was eating, then another kid

was

> throwing a fit. The other kid would eat, and the first one would

throw a

> fit. Bathtime was screaming from beginning to end. I must do

something

> about the acoustics in the bathroom... maybe carpet the walls or

something.

> I think my eardrum was probably damaged from the shrill of the

screams.

> Getting them dressed was like running a freaking marathon, based on

how much

> *I* was sweating by that point.

>

> Then bedtime FINALLY came around. Well, as I was brushing

Madison's hair

> <who was FINE at this point> - guess who decides to headbutt me

again? In

> the same exact spot, no less. If it wasn't broken before, I was

quite sure

> it was broken this time. The pain was at least tripled, and Shaun

witnessed

> it. Later, he would tell me that he thought I was going to kill

her from

> the way I looked at her. I didn't even cry out in pain this time,

but the

> sheer shock of having her do this to me twice in one day made me

glare at

> her, contemplating how to react. Shaun whisked her away, and

again, I

> sprawled out on the bed and cried my heart out.

>

> This morning, all of us woke up and nobody was any better. For

some odd

> reason, they were both starving. Well, since we have no kitchen, I

have to

> go outside to cook their breakfast. But neither would let me go

outside.

> Finally, giving up on consoling them or explaining to them that I

need a

> couple minutes to whip up something, I left them in there. They

nearly

> destroyed the french doors I had just put in by kicking the door to

the

> point it was shaking. I started the morning, crying while cooking

french

> toast.

> Getting them dressed was a feat in itself, but Shaun, in his

efforts to

> help, put their shoes on at 8:15 AM, when we shouldn't leave here

until 8:50

> AM. Guess which set of twin girls were tantrumming 35 minutes

straight,

> with their nice dresses, stockings, and shoes on? Mine.

>

> We finally got in the car, and I took them to school. The teacher

opened

> the door, and I literally dropped them off. I mean, I just let go

of their

> hands, making sure they headed INTO the classroom rather than away,

and then

> walked away. I could not handle even one more minute with them.

Then - I

> had to drop by the bank to withdraw money for the contractor, and

being the

> idiot I am, I grabbed my purse without my wallet in it, so had no

ID. So I

> came home.

>

> Oh, and the contractor...... 6 weeks ago, I gave him the sample of

the

> granite I wanted. I told him which company had this, and that they

had 6

> slabs of it. I will need 3 slabs for my kitchen, and he was to

reserve it.

> WELL - - - my fabricator came by yesterday during one of MY

meltdowns, and I

> opened the door for him because I was curious as to why he was

here. It

> turns out that the marble store has run out of that specific

granite. They

> have some slabs left, but it's now reserved for someone else. SIX

WEEKS

> ago, I told my contractor what I wanted - - and I guess he never

put a hold

> on it. Now, I have no idea what to use for my countertops, and

today is the

> day to pay him his second to last installment.

>

> I want to run away. I don't need this kitchen that is depleting me

of all

> money and energy, I don't need these kids that beat me up, and I

definitely

> don't even WANT my life that has no upside. But the saddest thing

is - - I

> don't even have anywhere to GO.

>

> Grace

> Mom to twin girls Sydney and Madison

> Born 3/28/98

> Wife to Shaun 1/11/97

> Reply to: gracekeh@h...

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Poor Grace. You really sound like you need a long break! I wish I could do

something to help you out. You could come here...but I'm kind of far away.

Take care...

Sue

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Hey Ron,

Did you get the concrete for your head wholesale???

tee hee

, 40, Columbus, OH

Bipolar, Borderline Personality Disorder, and????

Mom to:

, 15, probably Bipolar

Annie, 12, so far so good!

JD, 8, Autism, severe ADHD, maybe bipolar, AND

my reason for getting out of bed each day!!!

[Guest guest]

A half a million bucks gets you about 4,000 square feet with impeccable

interior trim and about 3-5 acres of land....gas is down to 1.04 per

gallon....Services for pre-school in this county is excellent, though I hear

it gets worse as the years go by.

Macon Ga. Home of:

Brown, from the L.A. Dodgers ..about 20,000 square foot castle...

Otis Readings ranch is here

Little

Cher and Greg had a house here at one time

Capricorn Records

Wet Willie

and well, of course, the red neck favorite Rocker....

There are a ton of other famous people that are either from here or live here

now...mostly atheletes and country and western yoddlers

Ron

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> I'm still wondering why you don't live here in Macon...I could have used a

> job like that...you'd have a kitchen and we'd have more money to fight

that

> lying sack of shit bio-dad

>

> Ron

Well, gee, Ron.....

If I lived in Georgia, I'm sure that this same money would have gotten me a

somewhat nicer house, and then I wouldn't NEED a contractor. I hope not,

anyhow. How much does 550K buy out there? Over here, we get CRAP.

Excellent neighborhood, 1986 home, old windows, a roof that looks like it

has bandaids on it, and a fence keeling over. Oh, and a little closet that

they call KITCHEN. And I must do something about that textured ceiling - -

I hate it.

But then y'all have LAND out there..... so I might have just tried to build

a house, huh? And then where would I be?

Nuts. I'd be nuts.

Then again, you'd have your money, and my losing my sanity just MIGHT be

worth it if you can give bio-dad a dose of his own meds........

Grace

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Grace,

Kep has head-butted me numerous times. I've learned to keep my face clear

of his head at all times! Just to let you know, he hasn't done it in a long

time (knocking on wood). In the past few months Kepler has become a real

JOY to live with. He is happy all the time and rarely tantrums. He still

has his bad days but they are fewer than they used to be. I think that the

hardest time is from 2-4. I've heard that from others as well. Once your

girls learn to communicate better, some of those nasty behaviors will stop.

It really, really made a difference in Kep.

Amy H

Kepler 4 ASD and Bethany 6 NT

" There is so much good in the worst of us, and so much bad in the best of

us, that it behooves all of us not to talk about the rest of us. " ~

Louis son

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>

> << Well, NT Robbie gave me a black eye a year ago >>

> With the phone?

>

Yup.

Salli