HC Question

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>>TSH 0.058L range 0.350-5.500

T4 Free ( direct) 0.93 range 0.61-1.76<<

While on any thyroid meds the TSH is useless. but your Free T4 is still

low. It should be at least mid range or for this lab, 1.18 at least!

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2 drops of Lugol's = 12.5 mg iodine/iodide. Therefore, if you are taking 10-20 drops of Lugol's a day that means (5 x 12.5) 62.5 mg to (10 x 12.5) 125 mg per day. That is a LOT of iodine/iodide. You are actually reducing the dose when you take 50 mg of Iodoral.

There is a lot of controversy about the validity of the patch test. It may indicate something about iodine in the body, but it probably doesn't. There has been an intensive discussion of this on the iodine group because I think most of us WANT the patch test to mean something. It is certainly much easier to do a patch test than a 24-hour urine test.

Zoe

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>>what about iodine supplementation with either Ioderal or Lugols iodine? <<I do believe there is a place for that in thyroid treatment. I have experimented with it myself. I did 2 drops Lugol's for 3 months topically and seemed to get the best results with that then it stopped being beneficial. I think I actually loaded my body with it and now I just use 2 drops about every 3 days. When I took it orally, I could not feel it doing anything. I used to take 75MCG T3 with my Armour before using the Iodine, now I need less.-- Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WVMy Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations The BEST thyroid website! http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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I will ask for the ferritin test. My hematcrit and hemaglobin is always high. This is a long time trend but when I was much younger, even tho I was normal, I was in a study for anemia as measured by some other factor rarely measured by docs and I was low. The advice was to eat more meat. I could live on meat and potatoes and fruit. But with my cholesterol being so high my doc says that the first thing he looks for in someone with high cholesterol is low thyroid.

Why does low ferritin cause heart palps with the raising of Armour?

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>>(I never take as much as they tell me) I do NOT feel more energetic, just hot and with palpitations. I also use Cortef daily.<<Have you had your Ferritin checked? According to Broda , low Ferritin is very common in Hypo as it is caused by it. The first level that drops is the Ferritin then anemia if that is not corrected. You can have normal iron and low Ferritin. Your Ferritin should be between 70 & 90.. Less than that WILL cause serious heart palps and pounding heartbeat as you raise your Armour (or T3) dosage.-- Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WVMy Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations The BEST thyroid website! http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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>>Why does low Ferritin cause heart palps with the raising of Armour? <<

Because just as in low Cortisol, the thyroid hormones have no transport

so they build in the blood. In any form of anemia, and low Ferritin is

one form of anemia, your heart is stressed. Red Blood cells also are

needed for oxygen to be transported to the heart & lungs, thus when

Ferritin and thus red blood cells are low, your heart is always

struggling to get enough oxygen, thus palps and pounding heart. Add to

that a thyroid build up because it isn;t being utilized properly and it

makes a double problem for the heart.

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I see. How does one increase their ferritin level?

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>>Why does low Ferritin cause heart palps with the raising of Armour? <<Because just as in low Cortisol, the thyroid hormones have no transport so they build in the blood. In any form of anemia, and low Ferritin is one form of anemia, your heart is stressed. Red Blood cells also are needed for oxygen to be transported to the heart & lungs, thus when Ferritin and thus red blood cells are low, your heart is always struggling to get enough oxygen, thus palps and pounding heart. Add to that a thyroid build up because it isn;t being utilized properly and it makes a double problem for the heart.-- Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WVMy Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations The BEST thyroid website! http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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Ohhh, I think I'm having a bit of an " ah ha " moment here.

I began having major palps over a year ago. I should have been diagnosised

then with hypoT, but doc didn't know better.

Long story short....my ferritin is also low and now I've been on 200 mg of

iron since March what I've noticed is a major reduction in palps except for

the few days before and during my period.

I'm guessing once my ferritin is up where is should be that those palps will

cease too.

Let me tell you, it is wonderful just sitting here on the couch, typing on

the computer and feeling my heart beating with a regular lub-dub!

best,

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.... In any form of anemia, and low Ferritin is

> one form of anemia, your heart is stressed. Red Blood cells also are

> needed for oxygen to be transported to the heart & lungs, thus when

> Ferritin and thus red blood cells are low, your heart is always

> struggling to get enough oxygen, thus palps and pounding heart. Add to

> that a thyroid build up because it isn;t being utilized properly and it

> makes a double problem for the heart.

>

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>>How does one increase their Ferritin level? <<

It is disgustingly slow to bring up! I am taking 130MG elemental iron in

the form of Ferrous Sulfate, but any of the " ferrous " iron supplements

will work, but make sure you get enough. Mine wasn;t that low, but if

you are seriously low, like 30 or under you should take about 200 MG a

day of elemental iron. Work up to that dosage over a week or two and it

won;t be as likely to cause you bowel problems. You should also take

copious amounts of Vitamin C as this helps your body absorb the iron,

and will also help with any constipation you might experience from it. I

use Emergen-C for that and take about 3000 - 5000 MG a day.

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I'm sorry, but your doc isn't making any sense at all. 90mcg is a HUGE

amount of T3 and if you've got adrenal problems, you're likely to have

MAJOR problems before you get that high. The standard endo line is that

if you convert, T4 alone is enough--and that is just plain wrong, proved

over and over. Armour had stood the test of time and the test of

experience: it works, where the synthetic single hormones don't.

Deborah

C. Mannelli, Ed.D. wrote:

I meant T3 in addition to cortisol. My T3 dose per pill is 20 mcg. The

doc wants me on 90mcg per day for several months and he will then switch

me to Armour. If one is a converter (T4 to T3) then they do not need

T3, just more T4. But you can only tell that by dosing, if you are low

in all thyroid functions.

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Time-released T3 trashed my adrenals. The doc who put me on that also

prescribed 100pregnenolone/50DHEA, as adrenal support I suppose--but it

wasn't enough! That was in September last year. I'm now ALMOST

recovered from it. And the highest I got with the T3 was 50mcg/day time

released. I suggest HUGE caution in taking the stuff.

Deborah

wrote:

> >>My doc told me Armour have only a small amount of T3. Maybe Sue

> needs straight T3? <<

>

> Every grain (60MG ) of Armour has 9mcg T3, which is no small amount.

> VERY few people can tolerate straight T3. Many have problems with the T3

> in Armour as it is a stress on the Adrenals when you take T3 in large

> amounts. If you have low cortisol and take straight T3 you are looking

> to put yourself in the hospital! Ask Deborah! This is why I do not ever

> recommend straight T3 and it is as bad as taking just T4 in that it is

> still not a whole thyroid treatment plan that covers everything your

> body needs.

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Thanks, I will do the iron. I am already doing the vit C. I always thought iron was a problem for your heart if you are older but that may be men?

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>>How does one increase their Ferritin level? <<It is disgustingly slow to bring up! I am taking 130MG elemental iron in the form of Ferrous Sulfate, but any of the "ferrous" iron supplements will work, but make sure you get enough. Mine wasn;t that low, but if you are seriously low, like 30 or under you should take about 200 MG a day of elemental iron. Work up to that dosage over a week or two and it won;t be as likely to cause you bowel problems. You should also take copious amounts of Vitamin C as this helps your body absorb the iron, and will also help with any constipation you might experience from it. I use Emergen-C for that and take about 3000 - 5000 MG a day.-- Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WVMy Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations The BEST thyroid website! http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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I am not taking synthetic T3, it is bio identical. My 24 hour urine indicated extremely low T3 levels. He had me start T3 at 40 mgs in the morning and another 20 mgs in the afternoon. 6 months later he did another 24 hr urine and the T3 was lower and so was the other thyroid measures. I have active Lyme disease which often effects the adrenals.

I am not taking the 90 mgs T3 but that is what he wanted. I corrected my post in saying that T4 being enough using Armour, which has much more T4 than T3. I do not use single synthetic T4 or T3. My T3 is compounded by a specialty pharmacy that uses only bioidentical hormones including T3.

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I'm sorry, but your doc isn't making any sense at all. 90mcg is a HUGE amount of T3 and if you've got adrenal problems, you're likely to have MAJOR problems before you get that high. The standard endo line is that if you convert, T4 alone is enough--and that is just plain wrong, proved over and over. Armour had stood the test of time and the test of experience: it works, where the synthetic single hormones don't.Deborah C. Mannelli, Ed.D. wrote:I meant T3 in addition to cortisol. My T3 dose per pill is 20 mcg. The doc wants me on 90mcg per day for several months and he will then switch me to Armour. If one is a converter (T4 to T3) then they do not need T3, just more T4. But you can only tell that by dosing, if you are low in all thyroid functions.

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What kind of T3 were you on?

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Time-released T3 trashed my adrenals. The doc who put me on that also prescribed 100pregnenolone/50DHEA, as adrenal support I suppose--but it wasn't enough! That was in September last year. I'm now ALMOST recovered from it. And the highest I got with the T3 was 50mcg/day time released. I suggest HUGE caution in taking the stuff.Deborah wrote:> >>My doc told me Armour have only a small amount of T3. Maybe Sue> needs straight T3? <<>> Every grain (60MG ) of Armour has 9mcg T3, which is no small amount.> VERY few people can tolerate straight T3. Many have problems with the T3> in Armour as it is a stress on the Adrenals when you take T3 in large> amounts. If you have low cortisol and take straight T3 you are looking> to put yourself in the hospital! Ask Deborah! This is why I do not ever> recommend straight T3 and it is as bad as taking just T4 in that it is> still not a whole thyroid treatment plan that covers everything your> body needs.

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I was on compounded time-released T3, supposedly bioidentical.

Deborah