Re: Info on liver/gallbladder flushing

[Guest guest]

Hi, everyone.

I discussed gallbladder and liver flushing with Dr. Leu today. I have been

contemplating doing one since I haven't previously. He said he didn't

support my doing one but I was free to do it if I wanted. He did one in med

school and had no pain or poor result but has seen some people become pretty

ill from them. He suspects I would be one because of my liver/pancreatitis

attack three years ago. I asked for an alternative because in reading the

article posted here a few days ago, normal liver enzymes are not an

indication of liver health -- he agreed. In addition to my normal liver

supplements, he added two other supplements to take for several days.

Supposedly this works very similarly to the flush by getting the bile to

move faster to push the stones out. One supplement works on two of the four

detox pathways. I already take bile salts, which are to break down stones.

He said when he takes one of the supplements, it makes him nauseous, meaning

it is working and he needs it. I've been warned and am anxious to start

tonight!

Kenda

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the update with Dr. Leu. I wish my appointment could be

quicker, as I feel so bad, but I know there's a lot to be done

beforehand. I have such a busy week ahead of me, and I'm worried

about it. I have really been wondering, Kenda, I have only done a

few steroid tapers over the last few years, and I know they took my

pain away. I know they are temporary, and am just really wondering

what exactly they do to harm me. I guess it's just really hard

again not to go for them, as I just need a break from the pain.

Thanks,

Cherie

--- In , Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...>

wrote:

>

> Hi, everyone.

>

> I discussed gallbladder and liver flushing with Dr. Leu today. I

have been

> contemplating doing one since I haven't previously. He said he

didn't

> support my doing one but I was free to do it if I wanted. He did

one in med

> school and had no pain or poor result but has seen some people

become pretty

> ill from them. He suspects I would be one because of my

liver/pancreatitis

> attack three years ago. I asked for an alternative because in

reading the

> article posted here a few days ago, normal liver enzymes are not an

> indication of liver health -- he agreed. In addition to my normal

liver

> supplements, he added two other supplements to take for several

days.

> Supposedly this works very similarly to the flush by getting the

bile to

> move faster to push the stones out. One supplement works on two

of the four

> detox pathways. I already take bile salts, which are to break

down stones.

> He said when he takes one of the supplements, it makes him

nauseous, meaning

> it is working and he needs it. I've been warned and am anxious to

start

> tonight!

>

> Kenda

>

[Guest guest]

Cherie,

Steroids aren't great for your body but neither is pain. If you can't

handle the pain any longer and are truly at your wit's end, take the steroid

but know that it doesn't come without side effects and that the result is

temporary. If you take them, please be sure to keep your appointment with

Dr. Leu so you can get on the path to feeling better without steroids or

other drugs. Make a list of all of your symptoms and the severity so you

don't forget between now and your appointment.

My concern is that you will start feeling better from the steroids and

decide against seeing Dr. Leu or another ND and be right back where you are

now, possibly worse. You need help with detoxing and supplementation so

this doesn't continue. You'll be much happier months and years down the

road when you are healthy again. Steroids will not get you there.

Did you ask to be put on a cancellation list in case someone cancels sooner?

I'd also fax your information to him if you can so he has it sooner in case

there is a cancellation.

Kenda

> Thanks for the update with Dr. Leu. I wish my appointment could be

> quicker, as I feel so bad, but I know there's a lot to be done

> beforehand. I have such a busy week ahead of me, and I'm worried

> about it. I have really been wondering, Kenda, I have only done a

> few steroid tapers over the last few years, and I know they took my

> pain away. I know they are temporary, and am just really wondering

> what exactly they do to harm me. I guess it's just really hard

> again not to go for them, as I just need a break from the pain.

> Thanks,

> Cherie

>

>>

>> Hi, everyone.

>>

>> I discussed gallbladder and liver flushing with Dr. Leu today. I

> have been

>> contemplating doing one since I haven't previously. He said he

> didn't

>> support my doing one but I was free to do it if I wanted. He did

> one in med

>> school and had no pain or poor result but has seen some people

> become pretty

>> ill from them. He suspects I would be one because of my

> liver/pancreatitis

>> attack three years ago. I asked for an alternative because in

> reading the

>> article posted here a few days ago, normal liver enzymes are not an

>> indication of liver health -- he agreed. In addition to my normal

> liver

>> supplements, he added two other supplements to take for several

> days.

>> Supposedly this works very similarly to the flush by getting the

> bile to

>> move faster to push the stones out. One supplement works on two

> of the four

>> detox pathways. I already take bile salts, which are to break

> down stones.

>> He said when he takes one of the supplements, it makes him

> nauseous, meaning

>> it is working and he needs it. I've been warned and am anxious to

> start

>> tonight!

>>

>> Kenda

>>

>

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>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Cherie,

Do I remember you saying you've been taking pain pills

for some time? . . .

If so, did you know that when you do come off them,

your tolerance for pain will be considerably

dimished.? . . What another person may feel as an mild

ache could be a major pain for you. As far as I know

the only way to get through this stage is by

decreasing pain meds gradually, then finally stopping

altogether, knowing that you are going to hurt for a

while. If you can understand that, assuming you've

been on pain pills for a long time) your problems are

not a severe as your pain indicates. . . .

That's not to say you don't hurt by any means! . . . I

know you hurt!

Hugs and prayers,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Oh Kenda - thanks. It's just so hard - I do feel at my wits end,

but I guess I can always dig deeper. My fax is out, so I had to

wait for the mail. Once I fill out the papers, I will find a way to

fax them to him. There are just so many things I want to do - my

nature is that of a very active person, but my body is so hurt, I

can't be the person that I truly am. Did I understand right that

you wanted to get implants, but did not? I don't think I know your

story, if you want to share.

Cherie

> >>

> >> Hi, everyone.

> >>

> >> I discussed gallbladder and liver flushing with Dr. Leu today.

I

> > have been

> >> contemplating doing one since I haven't previously. He said he

> > didn't

> >> support my doing one but I was free to do it if I wanted. He

did

> > one in med

> >> school and had no pain or poor result but has seen some people

> > become pretty

> >> ill from them. He suspects I would be one because of my

> > liver/pancreatitis

> >> attack three years ago. I asked for an alternative because in

> > reading the

> >> article posted here a few days ago, normal liver enzymes are

not an

> >> indication of liver health -- he agreed. In addition to my

normal

> > liver

> >> supplements, he added two other supplements to take for several

> > days.

> >> Supposedly this works very similarly to the flush by getting the

> > bile to

> >> move faster to push the stones out. One supplement works on two

> > of the four

> >> detox pathways. I already take bile salts, which are to break

> > down stones.

> >> He said when he takes one of the supplements, it makes him

> > nauseous, meaning

> >> it is working and he needs it. I've been warned and am anxious

to

> > start

> >> tonight!

> >>

> >> Kenda

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

given by licensed

> > health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

health care

> > professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

mislead you.

> > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

how to live a

> > happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

two-time

> > Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >

> > See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

> > http://.shutterfly.com/action/

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Rogene - I guess you're right. It's been since Friday since I had

an allergy med, and since Thursday since any pain med. When do you

go for follow-up for your breast mass?

Cherie

>

> Cherie,

>

> Do I remember you saying you've been taking pain pills

> for some time? . . .

>

> If so, did you know that when you do come off them,

> your tolerance for pain will be considerably

> dimished.? . . What another person may feel as an mild

> ache could be a major pain for you. As far as I know

> the only way to get through this stage is by

> decreasing pain meds gradually, then finally stopping

> altogether, knowing that you are going to hurt for a

> while. If you can understand that, assuming you've

> been on pain pills for a long time) your problems are

> not a severe as your pain indicates. . . .

>

> That's not to say you don't hurt by any means! . . . I

> know you hurt!

>

> Hugs and prayers,

>

> Rogene

>

[Guest guest]

Late this afternoon, I got an appointment for early

tomorrow morning! . . . After I offered to pick up and

bring my films with me . . . Otherwise it would be

late Friday - and I probably wouldn't know any biopsy

results until next week. As it is, I don't know when

I'll know for sure, but at least I'm one step closer

to finding out what's going on!

Hubby is being wonderfully supportive about it all! .

.. . That's helping so very, very much! . . . I think

all of your prayers are reaching him too!

Cherie, I know it's a very tough time . . . I also

know you're going to get through it. It's one step at

a time, one day at a time. While drugs may help with

symptoms, they're not going to cure anything - just

mask the symptoms and create their own side effects.

I'd suggest trying the Neti pot Kenda was talking

about . . . completely natural. . . and, if you need

something for pain, try Aleve. . . no narcotics!

Do you know what it is you're allergic to? . . . I

took allergy pills for years because (I found out

belatedly) my doctor thought allergy shots were more

trouble than pills. . . . come to find out, I was

chemically sensitive and the allergy meds weren't

helping me anyway! . . . Once I was tested, I found I

wasn't allergic to hardly anything except moderately

allergic to ragweed. With chemical sensitivities, all

you can do is avoid the materials.

Apparently you are allergic to something though, since

your allergy meds work. Have you been tested? It could

be something(s) that you could eliminate from your

environment or diet. If it's diet, have you heard

about the elimination diet? . . . You start out with

just a few basic foods and gradually expand your diet,

giving yourself enough time between foods to see if

you have a reaction. Do you have pets in your house? .

.. . Bathing them in Woolite every two weeks can

eliminate the animal dander most people are allergic

to. Using a air filtering system can help remove

airborne allergens. Some have ionizers that zap air

borne materials. . . A note of caution though . . .

There's some thought that living in a house with an

ionizer running frequently isn't good either . . . So,

if you use one, turn it on for short periods when

you're out.

Hugs,

Rogene