Re: Feeling Pretty Bad Again

[Guest guest]

Cherie,

If you passed the spit test (no milky blobs or

particles) chances are you don't need Fungal Defense.

.. . Taking a small amount of Primal Defense may help

regardless. . . If you herx to it, start slow and take

it longer. . . . Primal defense is made of organisms

taken from the soil that we would normally get from

our foods if it wasn't treated with herbicides,

pesticides and processed. These organisms are

essential to good health.

If you'll check www.curezone.com, you can read about

various types of liver flushes. The idea is that all

your blood passed through your liver, removing toxins

from it. If everything was optimal (no toxins in

environment, foods, medicines, etc.) everything would

be fine. But, if more toxins accumulate that your

liver can process and eliminate, you can become sick .

.. . even develop liver cancer. Liver flushes encourage

the liver to release these toxins. This allows the

liver to do a better job, and should help you feel

better too. Liver flushes can be slow and gentle, or

quick and somewhat intense. The intense ones may make

you feel flu-like and near the toilet for a day, but,

IMHO, the results are well worth it! . . . Read up on

liver flushes, then ask away. . . The ladies here have

tried a number of them and will be happy to share!

Hugs,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Hi Cherie - I've got the same dilemma - I bought the Fungal and

Primal Defense, and keep looking at them, but so far have not tried

them. I notice when I " slip " regarding my diet, I end up suffering

for it as well. I noticed Garden of Life has a detox product, and

I'm trying to find the site that said it was specifically for detox -

but for some reason I think the product was called Superseed. I'll

keep looking to see where I read about a GOL product that said it

was for detoxing. Anyway, I bought something called " Heavy Metal

Detox " from Nature's Sunshine, which is a reputable company that I

dealt with in the past when I had health issues and nothing else

worked - and one of the ingredients is Cilantro, and I read that

Cilantro is excellent for liver detox. Maybe when you're juicing,

you can add fresh cilantro to the juice and see if that helps. Of

course I haven't tried it yet - because my body is so sensitive to

everything I just haven't gotten the nerve to try any of these

products yet. That can be purchased online as well. I certainly

don't have the knowledge that many on this site have, so if anyone

has any other suggestions, I know I'd benefit from them as well as

Cherie.

Sis

--- In , " Cherie " <cheriesut@y...>

wrote:

>

> Hi - feeling pretty bad again and trying to make some decisions on

> Primal Defense, Fungal Defense, liver detox etc. I know you have

all

> told me so much, and until know I didn't do anything about it.

Someone

> told me about liver detox, and I can't remember what in particular

I

> should take. I also tried the spit test that Rogene suggested,

and it

> looks like I passed. I was wondering if I still need Fungal

Defense,

> or should I just get started on the Primal Defense?

>

> It seems like every weekend I am away from home and where there is

> food, food, food - and though trying to make the right choices, I

have

> given in a few times. I don't know if that is the reason for my

> relapse. Could I really be THAT sensitive?

>

> Thanks all - don't know what I'd do without you!!

> Cherie

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Cherie,

I think our relapses are just part and parcel of the whole

autoimmune experience, or the immune system upset that we have

endured as a result of our exposure. I am not so sure that a

specific indulgence into treats over a weekend will bring on sudden

flares, although with food allergies, certainly it can. I just know

that my flares and exacerbations were relatively steady over a

period of about 4 years, and I could never figure out

the " trigger. " It just happened. Those flares gradually got fewer

and fewer in occurence, and shorter and shorter in duration over

time. Perhaps that is how you will heal as well. Patience and

tenacity will really be helpful to you as you go through it!

I did try to figure out if I had any food allergies, and found out

that I had some that developed after I got implants, so it may be a

good idea to see if you can determine what you may be allergic to

and avoid those foods. Common ones are chocolate, eggs, dairy, and

wheat.

Otherwise, there are foods that are inflammation-promoting that I

think we should be cautious with. Like large consumption of animal

fats (saturated fats), also trans fats (hydrogenated oils) and

processed foods, . Sugar is a biggy, which we should try to avoid,

but I have to admit that during my healing process there were many

instances that I failed and indulged in it. After all, life happens

and there are many reasons to celebrate with loved ones! So I think

we can be focused on eating the right foods, but understand that it

is okay to indulge once in awhile. We don't need to keep batting

ourselves over our heads over our failures.

There's alot of trial and error in figuring out what makes us feel

worse when it comes to foods, so don't stress out over it too much.

You're doing the best you can, and I think you're doing great!

You may want to use the Fungal Defense (one bottle) just to be on

the safe side and then get right into the Primal Defense. It won't

hurt to just have that insurance on your side.

Happy New Year Cherie!

Hugs,

Patty

--- In , " Cherie " <cheriesut@y...>

wrote:

>

> Hi - feeling pretty bad again and trying to make some decisions on

> Primal Defense, Fungal Defense, liver detox etc. I know you have

all

> told me so much, and until know I didn't do anything about it.

Someone

> told me about liver detox, and I can't remember what in particular

I

> should take. I also tried the spit test that Rogene suggested,

and it

> looks like I passed. I was wondering if I still need Fungal

Defense,

> or should I just get started on the Primal Defense?

>

> It seems like every weekend I am away from home and where there is

> food, food, food - and though trying to make the right choices, I

have

> given in a few times. I don't know if that is the reason for my

> relapse. Could I really be THAT sensitive?

>

> Thanks all - don't know what I'd do without you!!

> Cherie

>

[Guest guest]

Cherie - have you noticed any corelation with your menstrual cycles

and how you feel? I've gone off the pill and haven't gotten a

period yet (and I might not, since I was on the pill to replace

hormones after early menopause), however I noticed when I was on the

pill that my symptoms got worse towards the end of my cycle, maybe a

week before my period. I felt good when I had my period, and felt

somewhat ok for another week, but then it seemed that I started

going downhill about mid-cycle.

Sis

> >

> > Hi - feeling pretty bad again and trying to make some decisions

on

> > Primal Defense, Fungal Defense, liver detox etc. I know you

have

> all

> > told me so much, and until know I didn't do anything about it.

> Someone

> > told me about liver detox, and I can't remember what in

particular

> I

> > should take. I also tried the spit test that Rogene suggested,

> and it

> > looks like I passed. I was wondering if I still need Fungal

> Defense,

> > or should I just get started on the Primal Defense?

> >

> > It seems like every weekend I am away from home and where there

is

> > food, food, food - and though trying to make the right choices,

I

> have

> > given in a few times. I don't know if that is the reason for my

> > relapse. Could I really be THAT sensitive?

> >

> > Thanks all - don't know what I'd do without you!!

> > Cherie

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sis, I can second that experience. I always seemed to struggle that

week before my period. Hormones have played a big, big part of this

mess.

Patty

> > >

> > > Hi - feeling pretty bad again and trying to make some

decisions

> on

> > > Primal Defense, Fungal Defense, liver detox etc. I know you

> have

> > all

> > > told me so much, and until know I didn't do anything about

it.

> > Someone

> > > told me about liver detox, and I can't remember what in

> particular

> > I

> > > should take. I also tried the spit test that Rogene

suggested,

> > and it

> > > looks like I passed. I was wondering if I still need Fungal

> > Defense,

> > > or should I just get started on the Primal Defense?

> > >

> > > It seems like every weekend I am away from home and where

there

> is

> > > food, food, food - and though trying to make the right

choices,

> I

> > have

> > > given in a few times. I don't know if that is the reason for

my

> > > relapse. Could I really be THAT sensitive?

> > >

> > > Thanks all - don't know what I'd do without you!!

> > > Cherie

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I think you are right on with the hormones, as I had PMS all week,

and just got my period yesterday. I do think they coincide, but I

seem to get my period so frequently anymore, that I couldn't be

sure. Everything feels worse the day before!!

> > > >

> > > > Hi - feeling pretty bad again and trying to make some

> decisions

> > on

> > > > Primal Defense, Fungal Defense, liver detox etc. I know you

> > have

> > > all

> > > > told me so much, and until know I didn't do anything about

> it.

> > > Someone

> > > > told me about liver detox, and I can't remember what in

> > particular

> > > I

> > > > should take. I also tried the spit test that Rogene

> suggested,

> > > and it

> > > > looks like I passed. I was wondering if I still need Fungal

> > > Defense,

> > > > or should I just get started on the Primal Defense?

> > > >

> > > > It seems like every weekend I am away from home and where

> there

> > is

> > > > food, food, food - and though trying to make the right

> choices,

> > I

> > > have

> > > > given in a few times. I don't know if that is the reason

for

> my

> > > > relapse. Could I really be THAT sensitive?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks all - don't know what I'd do without you!!

> > > > Cherie

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I do always wonder what my triggers are, and learn as time goes on.

I have known for a while that I have an unusual reaction to food

allergies - I sneeze (big time) and get asthmatic. All it takes is

one Hershey Kiss - or any piece of chocolate - so set me of for

HOURS of relentless sneezing and blowing! I know I have other food

allergies and think they play a big part in my chronic sinus

problems. I remember doctors telling me that I would absolutely not

sneeze from a food allergy - but I know first hand that they are

wrong. I'm the same way with any over-the-counter pain killer as

well.

I have eliminated regular sugar from my diet, but do have a tsp of

organic sugar in my tea, and I love my fruit juices (that I make

myself).

Patty, I do keep reminding myself that it took you four years - and

that was after only a short time with implants. Do you take the

Primal Defense regularly?

This trial and error time can be expensive - what with so many

different supplements. Sis, my juicer is not an expensive one

because I wanted to make sure I would use it and not let it sit on

the shelf. Turns out I am using it - since my surgery - twice a

day, faithfully! Eventually I will switch to a better model. I

think there is a lot of wastage though.

By the way, I love to bicycle too, and can't wait till spring to get

back on it. I have a hybrid bike - pretty comfortable.

Thanks guys,

Cherie

> >

> > Hi - feeling pretty bad again and trying to make some decisions

on

> > Primal Defense, Fungal Defense, liver detox etc. I know you

have

> all

> > told me so much, and until know I didn't do anything about it.

> Someone

> > told me about liver detox, and I can't remember what in

particular

> I

> > should take. I also tried the spit test that Rogene suggested,

> and it

> > looks like I passed. I was wondering if I still need Fungal

> Defense,

> > or should I just get started on the Primal Defense?

> >

> > It seems like every weekend I am away from home and where there

is

> > food, food, food - and though trying to make the right choices,

I

> have

> > given in a few times. I don't know if that is the reason for my

> > relapse. Could I really be THAT sensitive?

> >

> > Thanks all - don't know what I'd do without you!!

> > Cherie

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Cherie - did your allergies come on after you got the implants, or

did you have them beforehand? You know, Cherie, since we seem to be

on a similar schedule as far as our healing goes - it's possible

we'll notice a change when the seasons change to Spring. I know

I've posted that when I have a chronic problem, that major changes

take place when the season changes from Winter to Spring.

Sis

> > >

> > > Hi - feeling pretty bad again and trying to make some

decisions

> on

> > > Primal Defense, Fungal Defense, liver detox etc. I know you

> have

> > all

> > > told me so much, and until know I didn't do anything about

it.

> > Someone

> > > told me about liver detox, and I can't remember what in

> particular

> > I

> > > should take. I also tried the spit test that Rogene

suggested,

> > and it

> > > looks like I passed. I was wondering if I still need Fungal

> > Defense,

> > > or should I just get started on the Primal Defense?

> > >

> > > It seems like every weekend I am away from home and where

there

> is

> > > food, food, food - and though trying to make the right

choices,

> I

> > have

> > > given in a few times. I don't know if that is the reason for

my

> > > relapse. Could I really be THAT sensitive?

> > >

> > > Thanks all - don't know what I'd do without you!!

> > > Cherie

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sis, I also experienced that! Spring was always better for me than

winter.

Also, is it a coincidence that I developed an allergy to chocolate

after implants?!? Just like you Cherie! I had another woman tell

me she was suddenly allergic to chocolate after implants too. Weird,

huh?

Cherie, I take the Primal Defense like crazy lately. I was on two

different antibiotics during the month of December, one for my root

canal issues and the other for the UTI I got from taking the first

antibiotic. (Isn't that the craziest thing?) Ever since I finished

my last pill, I've been popping the Primal Defense like mad to

repopulate my gut with the good guys. I can definitely tell a

difference. I had some abdominal pain going on from the

antibiotics, and the Primal Defense seemed to help alot with that.

I take it on an empty stomach in the morning, before bed, and during

the day when I can.

Currently, I am starting a new detoxing program for 2006 to start

out on the right foot. I did indulge over the holidays, so it is

time to get back on track. I am actually looking forward to feeling

great and losing a little weight again! Those 2006 New Years

resolutions...now if I can only keep it up after the inspiration of

the new year wears off.

Continue to remind yourself of the need to be patient Cherie.

You're doing great. I know it is not any fun, and I know you want

to feel better now, but if you take one day at a time and trust that

God knows exactly wha you need in each moment, you will make it.

It's the hardest road I had to travel, but like me, someday you will

be able to look back and see the awesome hand of God working in your

life in amazing ways. And you will be able to let your suffering be

a distant memory.

God bless you!

Patty

> > > >

> > > > Hi - feeling pretty bad again and trying to make some

> decisions

> > on

> > > > Primal Defense, Fungal Defense, liver detox etc. I know you

> > have

> > > all

> > > > told me so much, and until know I didn't do anything about

> it.

> > > Someone

> > > > told me about liver detox, and I can't remember what in

> > particular

> > > I

> > > > should take. I also tried the spit test that Rogene

> suggested,

> > > and it

> > > > looks like I passed. I was wondering if I still need Fungal

> > > Defense,

> > > > or should I just get started on the Primal Defense?

> > > >

> > > > It seems like every weekend I am away from home and where

> there

> > is

> > > > food, food, food - and though trying to make the right

> choices,

> > I

> > > have

> > > > given in a few times. I don't know if that is the reason

for

> my

> > > > relapse. Could I really be THAT sensitive?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks all - don't know what I'd do without you!!

> > > > Cherie

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I have actually always had allergies - they are worse, but I can't

say for sure it is from the implants. To say my immune system is

very mixed up - that would be from the implants. I sure hope

spring brings changes. I do feel down - mostly in the evenings -

and I realize that it is seasonal. I'm an outdoor person, and having

my windows all closed up and the cold dark weather really gets to me.

I would like to reschedule lunch - my schedule is pretty free again

now that the kids are back in school.

Cherie

> > > >

> > > > Hi - feeling pretty bad again and trying to make some

> decisions

> > on

> > > > Primal Defense, Fungal Defense, liver detox etc. I know you

> > have

> > > all

> > > > told me so much, and until know I didn't do anything about

> it.

> > > Someone

> > > > told me about liver detox, and I can't remember what in

> > particular

> > > I

> > > > should take. I also tried the spit test that Rogene

> suggested,

> > > and it

> > > > looks like I passed. I was wondering if I still need Fungal

> > > Defense,

> > > > or should I just get started on the Primal Defense?

> > > >

> > > > It seems like every weekend I am away from home and where

> there

> > is

> > > > food, food, food - and though trying to make the right

> choices,

> > I

> > > have

> > > > given in a few times. I don't know if that is the reason

for

> my

> > > > relapse. Could I really be THAT sensitive?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks all - don't know what I'd do without you!!

> > > > Cherie

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Patty -

I am going to order the Primal Defense at this point - I'm not sure

about the fungal - I guess it couldn't hurt. Do you sneeze with

food allergies too? Do you order the Primal Defense online?

Thanks for the inspiration - As rough as this is, I really feel that

God has me right where I need to be right now - eventually I'll see

what the purpose is!! I'm so glad you're here - I really appreciate

you!

Cherie

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi - feeling pretty bad again and trying to make some

> > decisions

> > > on

> > > > > Primal Defense, Fungal Defense, liver detox etc. I know

you

> > > have

> > > > all

> > > > > told me so much, and until know I didn't do anything about

> > it.

> > > > Someone

> > > > > told me about liver detox, and I can't remember what in

> > > particular

> > > > I

> > > > > should take. I also tried the spit test that Rogene

> > suggested,

> > > > and it

> > > > > looks like I passed. I was wondering if I still need

Fungal

> > > > Defense,

> > > > > or should I just get started on the Primal Defense?

> > > > >

> > > > > It seems like every weekend I am away from home and where

> > there

> > > is

> > > > > food, food, food - and though trying to make the right

> > choices,

> > > I

> > > > have

> > > > > given in a few times. I don't know if that is the reason

> for

> > my

> > > > > relapse. Could I really be THAT sensitive?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks all - don't know what I'd do without you!!

> > > > > Cherie

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I appreciate you too Cherie!

I never really had sneezing fits with chocolate, although I did

notice some increased sneezing at times. The most signficant thing

I noticed was that after eating certain foods, or eating too much

(like when going to our famous buffets here in Las Vegas, which

we've done with guests), my sinuses gets very suddenly inflammed and

I sound very nasal when speaking. It is so noticeable that my

mother even made a comment to me about it when it happened in her

presence.

I never had any other sinus issues but those. Very strange, and I

have no idea why it happens so quickly while eating, other than food

allergies.

I think the Primal Defense will be a good addition to your arsenal

for healing, Cherie!

Have a great evening, and stay warm!

Hugs,

Patty

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi - feeling pretty bad again and trying to make some

> > > decisions

> > > > on

> > > > > > Primal Defense, Fungal Defense, liver detox etc. I know

> you

> > > > have

> > > > > all

> > > > > > told me so much, and until know I didn't do anything

about

> > > it.

> > > > > Someone

> > > > > > told me about liver detox, and I can't remember what in

> > > > particular

> > > > > I

> > > > > > should take. I also tried the spit test that Rogene

> > > suggested,

> > > > > and it

> > > > > > looks like I passed. I was wondering if I still need

> Fungal

> > > > > Defense,

> > > > > > or should I just get started on the Primal Defense?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It seems like every weekend I am away from home and

where

> > > there

> > > > is

> > > > > > food, food, food - and though trying to make the right

> > > choices,

> > > > I

> > > > > have

> > > > > > given in a few times. I don't know if that is the

reason

> > for

> > > my

> > > > > > relapse. Could I really be THAT sensitive?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks all - don't know what I'd do without you!!

> > > > > > Cherie

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Cherie, we're definitely in the same boat right now. I'll have some

good days and my hopes will rise, and then I'll have some bad days

and wonder if I'll ever be normal again. Not for a minute do I

doubt that the implants are to blame for this, though. I bought the

Primal Defense at the Vitamin Shoppe - and their prices were the

same as those I've seen online at various sites.

Maybe next week we can get together for lunch.

Sis

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi - feeling pretty bad again and trying to make some

> > > decisions

> > > > on

> > > > > > Primal Defense, Fungal Defense, liver detox etc. I know

> you

> > > > have

> > > > > all

> > > > > > told me so much, and until know I didn't do anything

about

> > > it.

> > > > > Someone

> > > > > > told me about liver detox, and I can't remember what in

> > > > particular

> > > > > I

> > > > > > should take. I also tried the spit test that Rogene

> > > suggested,

> > > > > and it

> > > > > > looks like I passed. I was wondering if I still need

> Fungal

> > > > > Defense,

> > > > > > or should I just get started on the Primal Defense?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It seems like every weekend I am away from home and

where

> > > there

> > > > is

> > > > > > food, food, food - and though trying to make the right

> > > choices,

> > > > I

> > > > > have

> > > > > > given in a few times. I don't know if that is the

reason

> > for

> > > my

> > > > > > relapse. Could I really be THAT sensitive?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks all - don't know what I'd do without you!!

> > > > > > Cherie

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sis - I think you are right. I don't doubt either that the implants

were the cause, especially that I was senstive to so many things to

begin with. Next week sounds good - any particular day better?

Cherie

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi - feeling pretty bad again and trying to make some

> > > > decisions

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > Primal Defense, Fungal Defense, liver detox etc. I

know

> > you

> > > > > have

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > told me so much, and until know I didn't do anything

> about

> > > > it.

> > > > > > Someone

> > > > > > > told me about liver detox, and I can't remember what

in

> > > > > particular

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > should take. I also tried the spit test that Rogene

> > > > suggested,

> > > > > > and it

> > > > > > > looks like I passed. I was wondering if I still need

> > Fungal

> > > > > > Defense,

> > > > > > > or should I just get started on the Primal Defense?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It seems like every weekend I am away from home and

> where

> > > > there

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > food, food, food - and though trying to make the right

> > > > choices,

> > > > > I

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > given in a few times. I don't know if that is the

> reason

> > > for

> > > > my

> > > > > > > relapse. Could I really be THAT sensitive?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks all - don't know what I'd do without you!!

> > > > > > > Cherie

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>