Re: Re: obsessive thoughts

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

There is a big difference in being focused on something one is doing and

OCD.

Obsessions.

Obsessions are thoughts, images, or impulses that occur over and over again

and feel out of your control. The person does not want to have these ideas,

finds them disturbing and intrusive, and usually recognizes that they don't

really make sense. People with OCD may worry excessively about dirt and

germs and be obsessed with the idea that they are contaminated or may

contaminate others. Or they may have obsessive fears of having inadvertently

harmed someone else (perhaps while pulling the car out of the driveway),

even though they usually know this is not realistic. Obsessions are

accompanied by uncomfortable feelings, such as fear, disgust, doubt, or a

sensation that things have to be done in a way that is " just so. "

2. Compulsions.

People with OCD typically try to make their obsessions go away by performing

compulsions. Compulsions are acts the person performs over and over again,

often according to certain " rules. " People with an obsession about

contamination may wash constantly to the point that their hands become raw

and inflamed. A person may repeatedly check that she has turned off the

stove or iron because of an obsessive fear of burning the house down. She

may have to count certain objects over and over because of an obsession

about losing them. Unlike compulsive drinking or gambling, OCD compulsions

do not give the person pleasure. Rather, the rituals are performed to obtain

relief from the discomfort caused by the obsessions.

3. Other features of Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder

OCD symptoms cause distress, take up a lot of time (more than an hour a

day), or significantly interfere with the person's work, social life, or

relationships.

Most individuals with OCD recognize at some point that their obsessions are

coming from within their own minds and are not just excessive worries about

real problems, and that the compulsions they perform are excessive or

unreasonable. When someone with OCD does not recognize that their beliefs

and actions are unreasonable, this is called OCD with poor insight.

OCD symptoms tend to wax and wane over time. Some may be little more than

background noise; others may produce extremely severe distress.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

Dear Joe,

You said:

<<Negative, otherwise i wouldn't be complaining. ;-) If its something

pretty bad it takes about a week and half to go away. Which is alot

longer than things did in the past. So i just try to avoid things

that could end up becoming obsessions>>

** How are you using the Bach remedies?

Regards,

[Guest guest]

Dear Joe,

You said:

<<I've stopped taking the Bach rememedies, cuz i don't think they've

helped much. I'm not so much concerned about the problems i have now

as much as i am wondering if this is something that goes away in the

future as i recover.>>

** In asked how you were taking them (frequency per day and straight or

in water?) because they WILL help with this after a while. There are many

applications where one cannot expect these things to work quickly. A kind

of rule of thumb is that the deeper it is in the emotions the longer

treatment is required.

There are certain applications where one dose is all that is required.

This is not one of them. You might want to reconsider taking them. It is

not unusual for someone to take certain essence formulas for several months

to a year.

I really urge you and everyone to let me know what is going on if we've

discussed something and you've decided to try it. In many cases, it is a

slight adjustment that is needed for success. We have some people who can

tell you it makes a world of difference to keep reporting back your

experiences with these things.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

Hi Sally,

You said:

<<Like, you get used a ring on your finger and you feel

like something is missing when you take it off. The

ring wasn't a natural part of your body but your body

was used the way it felt on your finger.

Does that make sense?

Do you guys think that my brain is healing??

I sure hope so. My memory has been so bad that I feel

somewhat retarded at times - unable to speak in

complete sentences without pausing several times. >>

*** Yes, I do think your brain is healing. Many people go through these

periods. The good news is that, for most people, they become less frequent

and less severe as time goes on.

Hang in there, Sally. Oftentimes, the worst periods precede significant

improvement. I think your analogy about the finger and the ring is a good

one. A change like this one takes a lot of getting used to, for a long

time. It does get better.

Warmly,

Kim

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

You said:

<<Sorry for getting on my soap box. But, Joe, I think

you are right. It has to effect our synapse. For

those of you who don't know, according to Science

Digest magazine, the synapse is actually a space

between your nerve endings. Electrical impulses float

between the synapse to get to the next nerve ending.

For example when you touch somehting hot the feeling

travels from your fingers through your nerve endings

to your brain to let you know the feeling of heat.

The further the synapse are separated the longer it

takes to get through your system. For those who smoke

pot the gaps spread and thus you get the " Dahhhhh "

effect or the " Stoner " type opinion of a person. When

a person ingests alcohol you get numbing of the nerve

endings. For those who do both pot and alcohol you

have the effects of being on an antidepressant (LOL)!>>

** The drugs don't affect the synapses as much as they affect the

nneurotransmitters and receptors. The aftermath leaves neurotransmitters

chaotically firing, fewer receptors to receive the neurotransmitters, and

neurotransmitters that are 'confused' (so to speak) and don't even know

enough to head for the proper receptors. This is what causes all the

after-effects of the drugs.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

We are a pill popping nation. Do we know anyone who

is very old that took all kinds of pills in their

life?

On our local news last night they did a segment about medicating every emotion and childhood behavioral problem away -- the doc referred to this generation not as Gen X, but Gen Rx. And he is so right. Most of the people in my family lived to be 80+ and were healthy until the illness that killed them -- and they never took pharmaceuticals. If you ask any octagenarian what the secret to a long life is the first thing they will tell you is to stay away from doctors. My husband lived in the Hunza for a short time where it's nothing to be 100 years old and still working on your farm. He said he observed their habits and found that people ate a simple diet, lots of almonds, apricots, yogurt, very little meat, lots of spinach and other vegatables, and they were active from morning to night. There was not an obese person anywhere. They were thin, fit, with smooth skin and very flexible. Our modern society hasn't given us anything in the way of health. And thanks to the globailization of our junkfood culture, obesity is on the rise in countries where it never existed before. I'm particularly appalled at the ease with which people take pills here, and even more appalled at the ease with which doctors pass them out without even considering alternatives. I know one person who complained of backaches (being 100 pounds overweight that would be natural), but instead of the doctor telling the person to go on a diet, they were given Prozac. What the hell happened to common sense?? As for the synaptic problems, I can certainly relate to THAT! For 3 or 4 years after taking PAxil it seemed like my brain was short-circuiting -- like there was a loose wire in there somewhere flying around touching off sparks. Nothing seems to connect properly. When you really think about it, it's quite demonic what these drugs do to your brain and your mind.

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[Guest guest]

My memory seems to be worse when other people are

around. When I am alone I can do a little better

because I am not distrubed. It seems that anyone

around me is a distraction.

YES!!!! I too have the same problem. Most of my days are spent alone in my house without the TV, radio, or stereo on. Too much stimulation freaks me out, and if my husband is talking to me and the TV is on, I don't understand anything at all -- all the voices become garbled in my head, so if he wants to talk to me he has to hit the "mute" button on the remote otherwise I feel like I'm going to have a seizure.

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[Guest guest]

Ever since I started taking effexor I have had memory problems.

The worst is when I forget what I was saying in the middle of a

sentence or actually forget HOW to say a word that I am trying to

say. I thought it was a temporary side effect.

The longer you're on Effexor the worse the problem is going to get. Nobody really benefits from these drugs. Memory loss is a sign of brain damage. It's that simple.

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[Guest guest]

I'd be interested in knowing if there is anyone here who doesn't

experience this after discontinuing any psychotropic drug(s).

OMG! Is this a universal problem, across the board?

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[Guest guest]

OMG! Is this a universal problem, across the board?>>

It's starting to look like it. Great, huh?

I can only say that when I'm done with GSK they will WISH I had never taken their stupid, legal dope!! I'll spend the rest of my life exposing this ghastly fraud if that's what I have to do. If I wasn't mad before, I am NOW!!!!

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[Guest guest]

Dear Glitter,

You said:

<<YES!!!! I too have the same problem. Most of my days are spent alone in

my house without the TV, radio, or stereo on. Too much stimulation freaks

me out, and if my husband is talking to me and the TV is on, I don't

understand anything at all -- all the voices become garbled in my head, so

if he wants to talk to me he has to hit the " mute " button on the remote

otherwise I feel like I'm going to have a seizure.>>

** I'd be interested in knowing if there is anyone here who doesn't

experience this after discontinuing any psychotropic drug(s). If you don't

have this happen, please let us know and include a drug history. Thanks.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

Hi Madonna,

You said:

<<I am new to psychotropic drugs, and although I am not currently

going through withdrawal I hope you dont mind me participating in

this group as I feel there is a lot I could learn here.>>

*** Of course you are welcome to participate here. Anyone is welcome to

participate as long as they don't disrupt the work of the group. I'm glad

you found us.

<<What I keep hearing you guys say about the memory loss kinda scares

me. Ever since I started taking effexor I have had memory problems.

The worst is when I forget what I was saying in the middle of a

sentence or actually forget HOW to say a word that I am trying to

say. I thought it was a temporary side effect.>>

*** Have you ever thought about the term " side effect " ? Now they are more

often called adverse effects. But what does it really mean, when you are

taking a drug and all of a sudden you find that you forget your words in

mid-sentence?

It means that some change has taken place in your brain, caused by the drug,

that isn't normal. Sadly, you can see from what other people are saying

that this problem doesn't necessarily go away, even after you have stopped

taking the drug.

Sure, it improves with time for most people, but that doesn't mean that it

goes back to the way it was before. There is one statement I most often

hear associated with these drugs, and that is: " Since I took [fill in the

psychotropic drug of your choice], I've never been the same; if I'd known

then what I know now, I would never have done it. "

Warmly,

Kim

[Guest guest]

<<OMG! Is this a universal problem, across the board?>>

It's starting to look like it. Great, huh?

[Guest guest]

I had it in the early stages of withdrawal, say 1st

year. But now 3 years post drugs I don’t really suffer from this

and memory problems. Don’t keep a diary, never have, always stored

info in my head! Sometimes I find that the sunshine hurts my eyes more than it

used to, but generally I can watch telly, listen to loud music (go to gigs and

parties) etc without any real problems. Lingering symptoms are dizziness

and head pressure. Find the dizziness affects my ability to drive, which I

still can’t really do, apart from VERY short trips.

Drug history:

6 weeks on Cipramil, stopped cold turkey, 3 months off, 6

weeks on Zoloft, stopped cold turkey again. Both times on drugs I was a

total zombie who couldn’t function.

Debs

Re:

Re: obsessive thoughts

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I'd be interested in knowing if there is anyone here who doesn't

experience this after discontinuing any

psychotropic drug(s). If you don't

have this happen, please let us know and include a

drug history. Thanks.

Regards,

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