Re: 5.0 freak out

[Guest guest]

Hi Larry, I wish I could say that. I feel like I'm crawling out of a

deep pit. I didn't take the ldn for two nights now. The rages have

gone but not the depression.

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> LDN doesn't seem to have caused depression, it seems to have tamed

and changed my depressionary feelings. More even keiled than ever

before. I wouldn't say mood swings, but quick blips, and back. I

felt it was SO much better than how things used to be.

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[Guest guest]

Larry,

I am so glad you've had that experience! However, I don't know that

because it seems to have worked that way for you that it would be

the case for everyone. It seems like you're saying she doesn't NEED

the other medication or medications? Perhaps I'm not understanding

your post.

I think we need to be careful, as people who are not medical doctors

or scientists, to say that we've had a particular experience...not

to say that this is the way ldn works.

--- In low dose naltrexone , " LarryGC " <larrygc@...>

wrote:

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> That is so sad I hope you can pinpoint what is causing the LDN

to do that to you. I'm sure it's not >the LDN<, but the LDN is

causing whatever else you're taking to be triggering those side

effects.

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> I found LDN just makes everything else work " as if " a " normal "

person was taking it.

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> So if something has a side effect that causes that in a person who

Doesn't Need that Med, then you'll get that triggered response.

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> Know what I'm saying? It's not the LDN, the LDN is just making

your body respond properly to all other stimuli. That's been

medically proven in my medical history, time and time again. But

that's just one opinion and the docs who were shocked.

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> It may be something that will resolve over time, but getting from

point A to point B is hard.

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> Best of luck to ya... I hope you figure it out soon!

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> I take nothing but LDN, except if I have a script for something

specific.. like Levaquin for my 10/04 staph infection that stumped

the 23 yr experienced doc when it reversed and retreated in 48

hours, instead of putting me in the hospital as he presumed would

happen.

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> http://www.larrygc.com/mystory

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> [low dose naltrexone] Re: 5.0 freak out

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> Hi Larry, I wish I could say that. I feel like I'm crawling

out of a

> deep pit. I didn't take the ldn for two nights now. The rages

have

> gone but not the depression.

> >

> > LDN doesn't seem to have caused depression, it seems to have

tamed

> and changed my depressionary feelings. More even keiled than

ever

> before. I wouldn't say mood swings, but quick blips, and back.

I

> felt it was SO much better than how things used to be.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

the only thing is LDN does not stay in the body for more than a few hours so

I don't see how it can cause depression to last for a few days after one

stops. Also, perhaps a common denominator we all share is anxiety or

depression and meds like xanax or an anti-depressant. I have never been on

an anti-depressant but have to take xanax from time to time. Since LDN

tweaks the pituitary gland and these meds are either relaxing the CNS or

changing brain chemical composition, therecould be an adverse reaction that

noone has discovered, not even Dr. Bihari. I am saying this with all due

respect as I know he is a brilliant man but there is much to be discovered

and this is a process for all of us. Noone has all the answers but it still

beats anything the medical community has to offer so I think we should alter

dose, time or do whatever is possible to make this work. If all attempts

fail, then try calcium eap, procarin, the Klenner protocol, anything you

have researched well enough to feel safe trying . It is certainly worth the

effort not be lured into ingesting this venom (CRABS) they try to give

patients so they become victims rather than proactive and vibrant beings in

charge of their lives.

On a final note , I am sorry to hear about your back and unless it is

the neck it is probably unrelated. Try tapping on your forehead and if it is

sorry massage around your eyes and the top of your eyebrows. Squeeze your

eyebrows and stimulate the lymphaticsystem. It may be your sinuses. Best

wishes and don't give up. There are some people here who have pure intent

and also alot of knowledge. Just know in your heart these things will pass

and be in charge. Don't ever give that power to another. It is your God

given right. Sorry if I rambled on but that is what the delete button is for

if anyone is not interested. giggle, giggle. Kathy

[low dose naltrexone] Re: 5.0 freak out

> Hi Kathy, Great idea! I would be interested in hearing or reading

> your results. I wish I had the energy to do what you are doing. I

> hurt my back and seem to be getting migraines without the headache.

> So I can only read for so long then stop, take a break and come back.

>

> I didn't take my ldn last night. I want to see if it stops the

> headache type visual disturbances. Arghhhhhhh! Looks like a

> migraine behaves like a migraine but no pain ;o0 Either the

> previous ldn or elavil is masking that?

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> Take Care

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>> I have been experiencing some of the same things you ladies are

> talking

>> about and I am going to keep a journal. I am going to do a few

> days on and

>> some days off to see if I can find a pattern and also see if I can

> relate it

>> to certain times of the month. It is a little disturbing as I am

> not

>> temperamental but it may be that I have to do 2.0mgs or something.

> I am not

>> even going to speculate at this point because it could just be

> another

>> symptom of a malfunctioning CNS.. Perhaps our immune systems do

> not have to

>> be regulated as much as other people but i am going to keep

> everyone posted

>> of my findings however relevant they maybe at least it may provide

> some type

>> of insight for a few of you out there. Best wishes, Kathy

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[Guest guest]

Hey again Kathy,

I wish I could understand the mechanism of certain antidepresants. I have been looking at the side effects of naltrexone at a higher dose. The mood swings are there. Could some of us be more sensitive?

I wish my brain worked better. I would understand the role of endorphins better. This is a short blurp and I'm not sure how good the info. is but there seems to be alot that comes into play. <snip

(KEY) , neurotransmitters found in the brain that have pain-relieving properties similar to morphine. There are three major types of endorphins: beta endorpins, found primarily in the pituitary gland; and enkephalins and dynorphin, both distributed throughout the nervous system. Endorphins interact with opiate receptor neurons to reduce the intensity of pain: among individuals afflicted with chronic pain disorders, endorphins are often found in high numbers. Many painkilling drugs, such as morphine and codeine, act like endorphins and actually activate opiate receptors. Besides behaving as a pain regulator, endorphins are also thought to be connected to physiological processes including euphoric feelings, appetite modulation, and the release of sex hormones. Prolonged, continuous exercise contributes to an increased production and release of endorphins, resulting in a sense of euphoria that has been popularly labeled "runner's high."

So if they (endorphins) control our physiological process could the ldn block our depression meds? Supress or change them?

They do with opiate pain meds. Maybe they are blocking our depression meds? I am having a hard time explaining what I mean. Lol! I dunno there something there but this brain is not working very well today.

If it can take awhile to feel the full effect of ldn on say our ms. Would it not take a different amount of time for us to experiance side effects?

Nope its not me neck. Its my lower back. That will teach me to exercise. Lol!

I know people here have pure intent. I've seen and met alot of caring helpful people.

Take Care Kathy,

>> the only thing is LDN does not stay in the body for more than a few hours so > I don't see how it can cause depression to last for a few days after one > stops. Also, perhaps a common denominator we all share is anxiety or > depression and meds like xanax or an anti-depressant. I have never been on > an anti-depressant but have to take xanax from time to time. Since LDN > tweaks the pituitary gland and these meds are either relaxing the CNS or > changing brain chemical composition, therecould be an adverse reaction that > noone has discovered,