RE: very curious about BHRT protocols everyone is on

[Guest guest]

Daily I'm on:

Estradiol gel - enough to not have hot flashes.

Progesterone cream - about 150mg.

Testosterone gel - 1.75mg

Iodoral - still doing orthoiodosupplementation as my Iodine Loading test

came back at 30% instead of 90%, however this is much better than my first

Loading test in October, which was 0%. I also have, or should I say 'had'

fibrocystic breasts.

Also, I have no thyroid so am on 11 grains of Armour. I had been on

adrenal support for 2 years, but recently found I no longer needed it. I

am ecstatic about that - my adrenals are healed.

How am I doing? FANTASTIC!

Sam

k9gang@...

> I'm curious to hear what various members are now on. What's working

> and what's not???

>

> I've been using a vivelle patch that I change every 3 days. I've been

> on this for the past few months without any major problems (sleep is

> good, no hot flashes etc)

> But lately I've been feeling a need to increase the amount of estrogen

> a bit. Waiting for my blood tests to get back to me but I suspect it's

> going to be on the low end.

>

> So what else is everyone doing??? Anyone cycling thier estrogen now.

> I " ve been considering using the vivelle patch and then doing a gentle

> cycle with cream or OO estrogen (olive oil based) during the later

> half of my cycle.

>

> I'm also on iodine which is making a huge difference. I'll post more

> on that especially in relations to fibrocystic breast pain later. Got

> some interesting stuff to share!

>

> BYe

> Lynn

>

>

[Guest guest]

Interjecting here that I use the Estrogel from Master's Marketing, about .75 at night, then I use the Aerodial from MM, one whiff in the morning. Every four months I use P, about 100mg. for five days, to bring on bleeding. I make NO attempt to 'cycle', as that doesn't seem/feel natural at my age (55) to me.

Even on this regimen, I occasionally get some breakthrough bleeding, and I find that it takes me a MONTH to recover even from that level of P. My body does NOT like P.

Gael

[Guest guest]

I also have a question, Sam, regarding the adrenal support. What were you one that was so successful? Did you start out with low or high cortisol, esp in the am? I am addressing that one now so your experience would be appreciated. Thanks.

C.

[Guest guest]

Gael,

What form of P are you using?

nne.

Interjecting here that I use the Estrogel

from Master's Marketing,

about .75 at night, then I use the Aerodial from MM, one whiff in the

morning. Every four months I use P, about 100mg. for five days, to bring

on bleeding. I make NO attempt to 'cycle', as that doesn't seem/feel

natural at my age (55) to me.

Even on this regimen, I occasionally get

some breakthrough bleeding, and I find that it takes me a MONTH to recover even

from that level of P. My body does NOT like P.

Gael

[Guest guest]

Estradiol - about .75mg and rubbed on y chubby parts.

I was using the Oestrogel from MM, but am getting Estrogel now that my

insurance covers it.

On Iodoarl, I'm doing the orthoiodosupplementatio - 50mg daily (4 pills).

I am having AGE SPOTS disappear, but very slowly. Some of my gray hair at

the forehead area has re-pigmented! I started putting a drop of Lugol's

Solution (liquid Iodoral) on skin tags and they shrivel and disappear! My

fibrocystic breasts do not hurt at all anymore. Oh, I also found I needed to

lower my daily progesterone from 200mg to less. When I take too much I just

itch like crazy all over, and usually at the worst time. I'm thinking maybe

getting the iodine into my body is helping it use my hormones (BHRT,

adrenal, and thyroid) better.

I used to be so resistent to taking Iodoral, or even reading about it at

optimox.com, but I'm glad I did and I'm just kicking myself fornot doing it

sooner. By the way, I'll be 55 on January 8th, and I am 4 foot 11.

Sam

Original Message -----

From: Lynn

To: rhythmicliving

Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 7:19 PM

Subject: Re: very curious about BHRT protocols everyone is

on

------> Oh wow Sam..everytime you post you sound better and better.

DO you mind a few more questions......

How much estrogel are you doing? Where are you rubbing it in and how

often? Are you using the cheap offshore stuff from mastersmarketing?

And how much iodoral?? I didn't realize your loading test

came back 0%!!!!! So now your fibrocystic breasts are not

hurting..that's great. Mine aren't either anymore on iodine.

SO how much iodine are you taking daily?

Lynn

[Guest guest]

Gael,

What form of P are you using?

nne.

Hi nne,

I'm on the vaginal suppository that I get from Master's Marketing. I break the 200mg. tabs in half. My doctor knows of this regimen, and although I am not certain that she approves of it, she at least said that I could certainly do worse.

Gael

[Guest guest]

Liz,

Are you saying E cream makes you break out and the olive oil E doesn't? What kind of E cream makes you break out?

Lynne

I tried using the E cream again and it just made things worse.

[Guest guest]

I'm using 12-14mg of OOE a day.I try to go lower and my body just wants the higher dose. I'm also in the process of weaning off of Valium. I'm hoping some of the P is out by now. I tried using the E cream again and it just made things worse. I broke out with pimples. Like I was detoxing.

I have no uterus so I don't have any worries about the P, which is good because I will never use it again.

Liz

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Liz Vernand

www.ojaipaintedminis.com

From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of LynnSent: Friday, December 22, 2006 1:45 PMTo: rhythmicliving Subject: very curious about BHRT protocols everyone is on

I'm curious to hear what various members are now on. What's workingand what's not???I've been using a vivelle patch that I change every 3 days. I've beenon this for the past few months without any major problems (sleep isgood, no hot flashes etc)But lately I've been feeling a need to increase the amount of estrogena bit. Waiting for my blood tests to get back to me but I suspect it'sgoing to be on the low end.So what else is everyone doing??? Anyone cycling thier estrogen now.I"ve been considering using the vivelle patch and then doing a gentlecycle with cream or OO estrogen (olive oil based) during the laterhalf of my cycle.I'm also on iodine which is making a huge difference. I'll post moreon that especially in relations to fibrocystic breast pain later. Gotsome interesting stuff to share!BYeLynn

[Guest guest]

I was using the stuff from Medicine Shoppe in SB, not the WP one. I'm not really positive but my neck and face started breaking out after I started the cream. I have not had any breakouts for a long time. It is possible I am just detoxing from something else. I only use the oil on my upper arms. I find if I use my thighs, it doesn't work as good. As soon as I get off the Valium, (which will take me many more months) I want to do a bit of detoxing stuff, but I have to be careful right now as I can detox the V and then I go into worse withdrawals than I already go through.

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Liz Vernand

www.ojaipaintedminis.com

From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of lynnelalala@...Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 6:54 PMTo: rhythmicliving Subject: Re: very curious about BHRT protocols everyone is on

Liz,

Are you saying E cream makes you break out and the olive oil E doesn't? What kind of E cream makes you break out?

Lynne

In a message dated 12/23/2006 9:48:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lizojaipaintedminis writes:

I tried using the E cream again and it just made things worse.

[Guest guest]

Gael,

I just looked up the Aerodial. I have never heard of it before. How long have you been using it?

http://www.50connect.co.uk/index.asp?main=http%3A//www.50connect.co.uk/50c/articlepages/health_index.asp%3Fsc%3Dstayfit%26aID%3D3255

Thanks!

Liz

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Liz Vernand

www.ojaipaintedminis.com

From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of gaelgreen@...Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:13 PMTo: rhythmicliving Subject: Re: Re: very curious about BHRT protocols everyone is on

Interjecting here that I use the Estrogel from Master's Marketing, about .75 at night, then I use the Aerodial from MM, one whiff in the morning. Every four months I use P, about 100mg. for five days, to bring on bleeding. I make NO attempt to 'cycle', as that doesn't seem/feel natural at my age (55) to me.

Even on this regimen, I occasionally get some breakthrough bleeding, and I find that it takes me a MONTH to recover even from that level of P. My body does NOT like P.

Gael

[Guest guest]

>

> I'm curious to hear what various members are now on. What's working

> and what's not???

I use Oestrogel twice a day, about 1.2 mg. each dose, adding an

extra .15 mg. (1/16 tsp.) if necessary in the afternoons or early

mornings (my dip times). I am taking 100 mg. oral progesterone capsules

twice a day every 3 months. Haven't had any bleeding whatsoever since

starting this regimen in May. Before this, I used Tri-est oral total of

2 mg. estradiol a day with 50 mg. progesterone inserted vaginally for

12 nights every 3 months. With that regimen, I had heavy bleeding for 4-

5 days, and this went on for 10 years. Both regimens cured all my

symptoms, but this transdermal estradiol method seems to have stopped

the endometrial stimulation. I certainly prefer not bleeding. I never

had my blood levels of estrogen checked. I wonder if my estradiol level

is in the 100 range now which would explain why my endometrium has

become atrophic. I sent off some saliva hormone tests recently. I can't

wait to see what they show. I absolutely love estradiol and despise

progesterone. I'd like to quit progesterone entirely.

[Guest guest]

Have you had a vaginal ultrasound to check for hyperplasia?

Val

-----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of rosette_ohara

I use Oestrogel twice a day, about 1.2 mg. each dose, adding an extra .15 mg. (1/16 tsp.) if necessary in the afternoons or early mornings (my dip times). I am taking 100 mg. oral progesterone capsules twice a day every 3 months. Haven't had any bleeding whatsoever since starting this regimen in May. Before this, I used Tri-est oral total of 2 mg. estradiol a day with 50 mg. progesterone inserted vaginally for 12 nights every 3 months. With that regimen, I had heavy bleeding for 4-5 days, and this went on for 10 years. Both regimens cured all my symptoms, but this transdermal estradiol method seems to have stopped the endometrial stimulation. I certainly prefer not bleeding. I never had my blood levels of estrogen checked. I wonder if my estradiol level is in the 100 range now which would explain why my endometrium has become atrophic. I sent off some saliva hormone tests recently. I can't wait to see what they show. I absolutely love estradiol and despise progesterone. I'd like to quit progesterone entirely.

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