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[Guest guest]

Thank you sooo much for trying to help me figure this out.

Here are my test results:

Oct,02 Feb 02

T-4 8.2 (4.5 -12.0 8.1

Free T-4 1.7 (0.7-1.8) l.8

TSH 0.05 0.05

T3 Uptake 34 (22-35) 37

Free T-3 2.7 (l.5-4.1) 4.3

LH 28 Menopuase 11-40

FSH 66 " 22-153

Porlactine 9 4-37

Cortisol AM 11 5-25

" PM 8 2-14

Testosterone 10

Progesterone 91

Estradiol 20 (12-30) menopause

I am not taking DHEA or Selenium.. I know nothing about these

supplements..

Thank you very much you guys are a GodSend

Lorene

In NaturalThyroidHormones , " loboshe " <usns@r...>

wrote:

> Hi there Lorene in the Caribbean. Glad you joined us.

>

> Well, first, it would help if you can post your lab tests, plus

> ranges, which you say are good. Because I suspect they are far from

> good!! First, your free T3 needs to be in the upper part of the

> range to really get the optimal results from your thyroid. Your

free

> T4 needs to be at least mid-range. The fact that you are feeling

> depression and without energy tells me you probably have a low free

> T3.

>

> You stated that when you took Armour before, you became hyper. How

> much were you on? Is there a possibility that you simply took too

> much??

>

> Also, have you ever had your adrenals tested?? And what about your

> female hormones, plus your testosterone levels?? Are you taking

> DHEA?? And what about Selenium??

>

> Look forward to hearing from you.

>

> Janie

[Guest guest]

-The compound was a capsule 125 tri-est 50 progest. also 1ml test

every other day.. which was very low..

I believe I am on the right track.. From what I have researched and

the Doctor telling me is the hormones are binding up.. that is the

war that is going on inside of me.. I need to find the right

combination,.

If you guys can think of other tests, I know I need to have them

again since my last one was Oct. just let me know.. I do not need a

Doctor here.. You can just go to the lab and order what you like. as

long as you have Cash. Maybe with your guidance and help I can get

the right combination

Thank you kindly

Lorene

- In NaturalThyroidHormones , " Gracia " <circe@g...>

wrote:

>

> Hi, I am wondering what kind of compounded hormones you took,

capsules or cream? For me, the right amount of the right type of

hormones worked (capsules just about killed me whereas cream restored

me to health). and then you need to add ENOUGH Armour to that, not

treat to tsh test.

> Gracia

>

> I have just joined this group and read some of your posts.. Sorry

I

> have not found you sooner.

> I am having lots of problems with my meds and would like some

imput

> from your experiences.

> I am 54 past menopause and been hypo 12 plus yrs.. I have tried

> several combinations and still feel pretty lousy.

> I am taking now Unithyroid 125 and 1/2 grain Armour. I am

feeling

> very depressed and no energy even though my lab tests are good.

> I don't live in the states but a small island in Caribbean. Here

> there are no specialists and I am educating myself through books

and

> websites like this one.

> I am very curious about taking just the Armour. I tried this

before

> but became very hyper and had joint pain. I have alos tried

> compounding estrogen/progest and that turned me into a B---- I

> experienced very bad moods swings and sweats and joint pain.. I

> stopped taking this and that disappeared.. I am now taking just

Prog

> creme in the evening.

> I have leaned sooo much about how everything works together.

After

> my hysto 3 yrs ago it has been downhill from there.

> Any help I would appreciate

> Thanks

> Lorene

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

---

My doctor gave them to me and told me to start with a grain and add

to that.. I believe I was taking 1-1/2 - 2 grain.. He advised me to

start and keep adding to I felt better but I think I went overboard.

I also started to have joint pain as well.. Maybe I needed to give

it a bit longer try

Thanks

Lorene

In NaturalThyroidHormones , " Jobes "

<nancyjobes@e...> wrote:

> You stated that when you took Armour before, you became hyper. How

> much were you on? Is there a possibility that you simply took too

> much??

>

>

> ---And when you say hyper...what happened????

>

>

[Guest guest]

---

My doctor gave them to me and told me to start with a grain and add

to that.. I believe I was taking 1-1/2 - 2 grain.. He advised me to

start and keep adding to I felt better but I think I went overboard.

I also started to have joint pain as well.. Maybe I needed to give

it a bit longer try

Thanks

Lorene

I became hyper and had palpations and could not sleep

In NaturalThyroidHormones , " Jobes "

<nancyjobes@e...> wrote:

> You stated that when you took Armour before, you became hyper. How

> much were you on? Is there a possibility that you simply took too

> much??

>

>

> ---And when you say hyper...what happened????

>

>

[Guest guest]

OK, here's what I can tell you. First, your free T4 is fine, but

your free T3 is low, and that is why you will continue to have hypo

symptoms. Your free T3 needs to be in the upper part of the range,

and you won't accomplish it on T4-only meds. If you increase your T4

meds, you will get your free T4 too high, with symptoms to go along

with it.

If you are working with a doc, he/she may get concerned about your

low TSH. But there is no concern. What you need to work on is that

free T3, not go by the TSH!!

So, it might be quite practical to re-try the Armour and drop the

Unithroid. But this time, start on the 1 grain only, and stay with

it for at least 5-6 weeks. Then up it 1/4 grain, and stay on that

for at least 5-6 weeks. It's important to go up conservatively, and

slowly, to avoid any problems. Then retest, if necessary. Or, if you

remember at exactly what amount you went overboard, try sticking at

1/4 grain right underneath that amount, when you eventually get to

that point.

BUT, before you do any of the above, I'd like our experts here on

adrenals to comment on your lab results. Because if you are low as

it appears you are, they will advise you to do something with those

adrenals, which is VERY important before you make a switch to Armour

only. Because if your adrenals are low-functioning, you will have

problems as you increase that Armour dose....

What was the range for that testosterone?? And was that free or

total?? I am thinking it might have been your total, with a range

similar to 14 - 76??? IF so, you are QUITE low and need

supplementation, which will help tremendously!!

DHEA helps with energy. Selenium helps the thyroid better convert

the T4 to T3, no matter what you are taking!!

I'll let others do their job here for you, too, on the female

hormones.

Janie

[Guest guest]

I am not sure what you mean, that the hormones are binding up. The amount of

hormones was too low, and also being oral was destroyed in the gut before making

it into the bloodstream. I don't even think you need lots of tests! just the

right amount of the right hormones, and then Armour will work just fine. There

is currently lots of debate about hormones. Choices are 1) just use low dose

estradiol gel 2)just use low dose progesterone cream 3) use compounded tri-est

and progesterone (testosterone) cream by Rx.

I am using Rx of compounded tri-est 2.5mg, 100mg progesterone 2X a day, 7-keto

DHEA 50mg eveyr day, and androstenedion every other day. I will talk to doc

this week and see if this is what I end up with. I have been feeling great but

may try to lower thyroid meds again.

Gracia

ps IMO the problem is not the war inside you, as your body is trying the best

it can to work right, the problem is the doc.

The compound was a capsule 125 tri-est 50 progest. also 1ml test

every other day.. which was very low..

I believe I am on the right track.. From what I have researched and

the Doctor telling me is the hormones are binding up.. that is the

war that is going on inside of me.. I need to find the right

combination,.

If you guys can think of other tests, I know I need to have them

again since my last one was Oct. just let me know.. I do not need a

Doctor here.. You can just go to the lab and order what you like. as

long as you have Cash. Maybe with your guidance and help I can get

the right combination

Thank you kindly

Lorene

- In NaturalThyroidHormones , " Gracia " <circe@g...>

wrote:

>

> Hi, I am wondering what kind of compounded hormones you took,

capsules or cream? For me, the right amount of the right type of

hormones worked (capsules just about killed me whereas cream restored

me to health). and then you need to add ENOUGH Armour to that, not

treat to tsh test.

> Gracia

>

> I have just joined this group and read some of your posts.. Sorry

I

> have not found you sooner.

> I am having lots of problems with my meds and would like some

imput

> from your experiences.

> I am 54 past menopause and been hypo 12 plus yrs.. I have tried

> several combinations and still feel pretty lousy.

> I am taking now Unithyroid 125 and 1/2 grain Armour. I am

feeling

> very depressed and no energy even though my lab tests are good.

> I don't live in the states but a small island in Caribbean. Here

> there are no specialists and I am educating myself through books

and

> websites like this one.

> I am very curious about taking just the Armour. I tried this

before

> but became very hyper and had joint pain. I have alos tried

> compounding estrogen/progest and that turned me into a B---- I

> experienced very bad moods swings and sweats and joint pain.. I

> stopped taking this and that disappeared.. I am now taking just

Prog

> creme in the evening.

> I have leaned sooo much about how everything works together.

After

> my hysto 3 yrs ago it has been downhill from there.

> Any help I would appreciate

> Thanks

> Lorene

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Cortisol AM 11 5-25

> " PM 8 2-14

Do you remember what times these were done? Was it like 8 am and noon, or

what? And how long were you up that morning before taking the first test?

While they fall within normal ranges...and very well may be normal for you

(if you were not under increased stress or sick at the time) and may be

normal because it didn't drop off too much later in the day...but the more I

read the more I see that random cortisol is so inconclusive...though I am

very impressed they ran them...maybe I need to go on vacation and see YOUR

doc...*G*

[Guest guest]

--Gracia

Where do you get your jel's? and the 7Keto DHEA.? I want to take

this info to my doctor and see what I can get done..

Also there is a drug company in UK that I can just order some drugs

on line and ship her to me.

Here ther are no compounding pharmacy and I can only get the 50ml

Patch and that is what I have been using.. Also I do have Dr. Lee's

book and use a progest cream that I ordered online in US.

I would like to do as you are doing and get this all balanced out.. I

am sure that is all my problems.

Thanks for your help

- In NaturalThyroidHormones , " Gracia " <circe@g...>

wrote:

>

> I am not sure what you mean, that the hormones are binding up.

The amount of hormones was too low, and also being oral was destroyed

in the gut before making it into the bloodstream. I don't even think

you need lots of tests! just the right amount of the right hormones,

and then Armour will work just fine. There is currently lots of

debate about hormones. Choices are 1) just use low dose estradiol

gel 2)just use low dose progesterone cream 3) use compounded tri-est

and progesterone (testosterone) cream by Rx.

> I am using Rx of compounded tri-est 2.5mg, 100mg progesterone 2X

a day, 7-keto DHEA 50mg eveyr day, and androstenedion every other

day. I will talk to doc this week and see if this is what I end up

with. I have been feeling great but may try to lower thyroid meds

again.

> Gracia

> ps IMO the problem is not the war inside you, as your body is

trying the best it can to work right, the problem is the doc.

>

>

> The compound was a capsule 125 tri-est 50 progest. also 1ml test

> every other day.. which was very low..

> I believe I am on the right track.. From what I have researched

and

> the Doctor telling me is the hormones are binding up.. that is

the

> war that is going on inside of me.. I need to find the right

> combination,.

> If you guys can think of other tests, I know I need to have them

> again since my last one was Oct. just let me know.. I do not need

a

> Doctor here.. You can just go to the lab and order what you like.

as

> long as you have Cash. Maybe with your guidance and help I can

get

> the right combination

> Thank you kindly

> Lorene

>

> - In NaturalThyroidHormones , " Gracia "

<circe@g...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Hi, I am wondering what kind of compounded hormones you

took,

> capsules or cream? For me, the right amount of the right type

of

> hormones worked (capsules just about killed me whereas cream

restored

> me to health). and then you need to add ENOUGH Armour to that,

not

> treat to tsh test.

> > Gracia

> >

> > I have just joined this group and read some of your posts..

Sorry

> I

> > have not found you sooner.

> > I am having lots of problems with my meds and would like some

> imput

> > from your experiences.

> > I am 54 past menopause and been hypo 12 plus yrs.. I have

tried

> > several combinations and still feel pretty lousy.

> > I am taking now Unithyroid 125 and 1/2 grain Armour. I am

> feeling

> > very depressed and no energy even though my lab tests are

good.

> > I don't live in the states but a small island in Caribbean.

Here

> > there are no specialists and I am educating myself through

books

> and

> > websites like this one.

> > I am very curious about taking just the Armour. I tried this

> before

> > but became very hyper and had joint pain. I have alos tried

> > compounding estrogen/progest and that turned me into a B----

I

> > experienced very bad moods swings and sweats and joint pain..

I

> > stopped taking this and that disappeared.. I am now taking

just

> Prog

> > creme in the evening.

> > I have leaned sooo much about how everything works together.

> After

> > my hysto 3 yrs ago it has been downhill from there.

> > Any help I would appreciate

> > Thanks

> > Lorene

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

---Janie

The testosterone, I believe is Total.. I am now taking in 1ml test

every other day and started this in Feb.

I am also thinking that I have adrenal problems.. I would really

appreciate if someone would help me with this.. What can I do for the

adrenals? I feel that is the key to alot of my problems also with

the estrogen/progest and having such a bad effect when I take it.

I have no " real " doctor here, they only look at TSH only.. I go to

the states 3 times per year and there try to get my meds as best I

can. Here I can go to the lab and get any test done without a doctor

and that is pretty much what I have been doing these past yrs.

If there is any test that can further help you guys.. Please let me

know and also for the adrenals.

I would like to get the adrenals healthy before starting the Armour

like you suggested.

Wait for your reply

Lorene

In NaturalThyroidHormones , " loboshe " <usns@r...>

wrote:

> OK, here's what I can tell you. First, your free T4 is fine, but

> your free T3 is low, and that is why you will continue to have hypo

> symptoms. Your free T3 needs to be in the upper part of the range,

> and you won't accomplish it on T4-only meds. If you increase your

T4

> meds, you will get your free T4 too high, with symptoms to go along

> with it.

>

> If you are working with a doc, he/she may get concerned about your

> low TSH. But there is no concern. What you need to work on is that

> free T3, not go by the TSH!!

>

> So, it might be quite practical to re-try the Armour and drop the

> Unithroid. But this time, start on the 1 grain only, and stay with

> it for at least 5-6 weeks. Then up it 1/4 grain, and stay on that

> for at least 5-6 weeks. It's important to go up conservatively, and

> slowly, to avoid any problems. Then retest, if necessary. Or, if

you

> remember at exactly what amount you went overboard, try sticking at

> 1/4 grain right underneath that amount, when you eventually get to

> that point.

>

> BUT, before you do any of the above, I'd like our experts here on

> adrenals to comment on your lab results. Because if you are low as

> it appears you are, they will advise you to do something with those

> adrenals, which is VERY important before you make a switch to

Armour

> only. Because if your adrenals are low-functioning, you will have

> problems as you increase that Armour dose....

>

> What was the range for that testosterone?? And was that free or

> total?? I am thinking it might have been your total, with a range

> similar to 14 - 76??? IF so, you are QUITE low and need

> supplementation, which will help tremendously!!

>

> DHEA helps with energy. Selenium helps the thyroid better convert

> the T4 to T3, no matter what you are taking!!

>

> I'll let others do their job here for you, too, on the female

> hormones.

>

> Janie

[Guest guest]

--

The cortisol was taking at 9:15 or so.. and " Who " knows when they

ran the test.. Here is is another world than the states and people

are very relaxed and pay not attention to detail.. even at the lab.

The PM was at 4:00

I have No stress living here other than the stress of feeling sooo

lousy.

Also , I had the tests ran myself without a Doctor.. after

researching and reading I found that this could also be my problem.

I even had my B12 checked to see if that could be off but was OK

If you can think of anything I can do or test to take please let me

know.. I am gettingno help here and have to find out myself. I can

also order from UK Med's and have them shipped to me..

Thanks for your help

Lorene

- In NaturalThyroidHormones , " Jobes "

<nancyjobes@e...> wrote:

> > Cortisol AM 11 5-25

> > " PM 8 2-14

> Do you remember what times these were done? Was it like 8 am and

noon, or

> what? And how long were you up that morning before taking the first

test?

>

> While they fall within normal ranges...and very well may be normal

for you

> (if you were not under increased stress or sick at the time) and

may be

> normal because it didn't drop off too much later in the day...but

the more I

> read the more I see that random cortisol is so

inconclusive...though I am

> very impressed they ran them...maybe I need to go on vacation and

see YOUR

> doc...*G*

>

>

[Guest guest]

Lorene,

I am sorry that where you live is a little TOO relaxed...I have a problem

where I live that is similar but different in the way that it is very rural

and that it is about 100 years ago. I live in an area very populated with

old order Amish...the type that ride the horse and buggies to the grocery

store. There is a hitching post there. Lets just say its a little isolated.

The doctors do not know how to treat anything they cannot give you an

antibiotic for!

Here are some guidelines I posted a few days ago for interpreting random

cortisol:

The Interpreter

Measurement of the serum cortisol from samples taken between 8 and 9 a.m.

serves as a good initial screening test. If the level is less than 3

micrograms/dL, the diagnosis is established and no further testing is needed

other than a serum ACTH level which will determine if the pathology is

primary (ACTH > 100 pg/mL) versus secondary (low or normal ACTH). Serum

cortisol levels greater than 19 micrograms/dL conclusively eliminate the

diagnosis. Levels in between 4 and 18 micrograms/dL indicate the need for

further testing. It is important to note that a normal cortisol level in an

acutely ill patient does not eliminate the diagnosis.

Emedicine.com

Interpret random serum cortisol concentrations within the context from which

they were obtained. (For example, adrenal insufficiency is unlikely in an

otherwise healthy individual with an 8:00 am serum cortisol concentration

more than 10 mcg/dL. Yet a serum cortisol concentration less than 18 mcg/dL

in a sick and stressed patient highly suggests adrenal insufficiency.)

Department of Critical Care Medicine, University of Pittsburgh, PA, USA.

There is clearly no absolute serum cortisol concentration that distinguishes

an adequate from an insufficient adrenal response. However, we believe that

a random cortisol concentration of <25 microg/dL in a highly stressed

patient is a useful diagnostic threshold for the diagnosis of adrenal

insufficiency

Endocrinology Dept, UCLA

Random cortisol: Drawn in an emergency setting (otherwise do a.m. cortisol)

before giving stress dose steroids: Normal is > 18, 14-17 is indeterminate,

5-13 is presumptive (continue treatment), and < 5 mcg/dl is definite adrenal

insufficiency

Just a note, plenty of people with normal random cortisol numbers in the

normal range are in fact hypoadrenal. When you are on thyroid meds, or under

stress, or sick, your cortisol level goes up. However, the real test is

whether or not it is actually able to respond to stress. I became very ill

on thyroid meds, and even though I am hypo, I am unable to take them in even

the tiniest doses. This is something that happens when your adrenals do not

work properly. The real way to test is with a stimulation test. They take a

cortisol sample and then give you a synth form of the pituitary hormone that

stimulates the adrenals. Then, they take your cortisol again. If it doesn't

raise, or rasies only a little, you have adrenal problems, if it raises a

lot, you don't. Also, there is a test from great smokies gsdl.com that has a

saliva test that can be an indicator. I just took that test so we will see

how that comes back.

[Guest guest]

Hi, I get tri-est and progesterone Rx from http://www.womensinternational.com

androstenedion spray from http://www.vrp.com and 7keto DHEA from healthfood

store but is available online. Do you order from http://www.smart-drugs.net in

the UK? The sex hormones definitely work with thyroid hormones.

Gracia

--Gracia

Where do you get your jel's? and the 7Keto DHEA.? I want to take

this info to my doctor and see what I can get done..

Also there is a drug company in UK that I can just order some drugs

on line and ship her to me.

Here ther are no compounding pharmacy and I can only get the 50ml

Patch and that is what I have been using.. Also I do have Dr. Lee's

book and use a progest cream that I ordered online in US.

I would like to do as you are doing and get this all balanced out.. I

am sure that is all my problems.

Thanks for your help

- In NaturalThyroidHormones , " Gracia " <circe@g...>

wrote:

>

> I am not sure what you mean, that the hormones are binding up.

The amount of hormones was too low, and also being oral was destroyed

in the gut before making it into the bloodstream. I don't even think

you need lots of tests! just the right amount of the right hormones,

and then Armour will work just fine. There is currently lots of

debate about hormones. Choices are 1) just use low dose estradiol

gel 2)just use low dose progesterone cream 3) use compounded tri-est

and progesterone (testosterone) cream by Rx.

> I am using Rx of compounded tri-est 2.5mg, 100mg progesterone 2X

a day, 7-keto DHEA 50mg eveyr day, and androstenedion every other

day. I will talk to doc this week and see if this is what I end up

with. I have been feeling great but may try to lower thyroid meds

again.

> Gracia

> ps IMO the problem is not the war inside you, as your body is

trying the best it can to work right, the problem is the doc.

>

>

> The compound was a capsule 125 tri-est 50 progest. also 1ml test

> every other day.. which was very low..

> I believe I am on the right track.. From what I have researched

and

> the Doctor telling me is the hormones are binding up.. that is

the

> war that is going on inside of me.. I need to find the right

> combination,.

> If you guys can think of other tests, I know I need to have them

> again since my last one was Oct. just let me know.. I do not need

a

> Doctor here.. You can just go to the lab and order what you like.

as

> long as you have Cash. Maybe with your guidance and help I can

get

> the right combination

> Thank you kindly

> Lorene

>

> - In NaturalThyroidHormones , " Gracia "

<circe@g...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Hi, I am wondering what kind of compounded hormones you

took,

> capsules or cream? For me, the right amount of the right type

of

> hormones worked (capsules just about killed me whereas cream

restored

> me to health). and then you need to add ENOUGH Armour to that,

not

> treat to tsh test.

> > Gracia

> >

> > I have just joined this group and read some of your posts..

Sorry

> I

> > have not found you sooner.

> > I am having lots of problems with my meds and would like some

> imput

> > from your experiences.

> > I am 54 past menopause and been hypo 12 plus yrs.. I have

tried

> > several combinations and still feel pretty lousy.

> > I am taking now Unithyroid 125 and 1/2 grain Armour. I am

> feeling

> > very depressed and no energy even though my lab tests are

good.

> > I don't live in the states but a small island in Caribbean.

Here

> > there are no specialists and I am educating myself through

books

> and

> > websites like this one.

> > I am very curious about taking just the Armour. I tried this

> before

> > but became very hyper and had joint pain. I have alos tried

> > compounding estrogen/progest and that turned me into a B----

I

> > experienced very bad moods swings and sweats and joint pain..

I

> > stopped taking this and that disappeared.. I am now taking

just

> Prog

> > creme in the evening.

> > I have leaned sooo much about how everything works together.

> After

> > my hysto 3 yrs ago it has been downhill from there.

> > Any help I would appreciate

> > Thanks

> > Lorene

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Welcome to the group, Lorene. I'm sure you've already gotten some

good advice already (gosh, this group was busy, busy, busy yesterday

and I had over 200 messages to go through) but I will give you my

input.

Your FT4 looks fine, but your FT3 is too low - no wonder you aren't

feeling good. You may not be converting from FT4 to FT3. Selenium

is a mineral which is very vital to this conversion. It would be

helpful if you could tell us how much Armour you were on when you

went hyper. I'm thinking you might do better on Armour, since it has

not long T4, like the synthetic you are on, but it has T3, which is

what you are low in, and it also has T0, T1, T2, Calcitonin (which

makes sure your calcium levels are up to par) and Dr. Brownstein has

indicated it also has Selenium in it. If you don't feel comfortable

using Armour, perhaps you could add a synthetic T3 such as Cytomel.

Just some ideas. You probably already got a TON of help already, but

thought I'd give you my two cents worth.

Good luck and we are SO happy to have you aboard.

Cheers!

Zina

> > Hi there Lorene in the Caribbean. Glad you joined us.

> >

> > Well, first, it would help if you can post your lab tests, plus

> > ranges, which you say are good. Because I suspect they are far

from

> > good!! First, your free T3 needs to be in the upper part of the

> > range to really get the optimal results from your thyroid. Your

> free

> > T4 needs to be at least mid-range. The fact that you are feeling

> > depression and without energy tells me you probably have a low

free

> > T3.

> >

> > You stated that when you took Armour before, you became hyper.

How

> > much were you on? Is there a possibility that you simply took too

> > much??

> >

> > Also, have you ever had your adrenals tested?? And what about

your

> > female hormones, plus your testosterone levels?? Are you taking

> > DHEA?? And what about Selenium??

> >

> > Look forward to hearing from you.

> >

> > Janie

[Guest guest]

Hi Lorene,

Yes, it sounds like you did go overboard. You could simply start at

1 grain and stay with it for a while, and if you still don't feel

well, got up to 1 1/2 grains or even 1 1/4 grains. The key is doing

it slowly. That is an issue that I am struggling with - patience!

LOL

Zina

> > You stated that when you took Armour before, you became hyper.

How

> > much were you on? Is there a possibility that you simply took too

> > much??

> >

> >

> > ---And when you say hyper...what happened????

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Actually she could get hyper symptoms if she needed hormones, or wasn't

getting the right amount.

Gracia

Hi Lorene,

Yes, it sounds like you did go overboard. You could simply start at

1 grain and stay with it for a while, and if you still don't feel

well, got up to 1 1/2 grains or even 1 1/4 grains. The key is doing

it slowly. That is an issue that I am struggling with - patience!

LOL

Zina

> > You stated that when you took Armour before, you became hyper.

How

> > much were you on? Is there a possibility that you simply took too

> > much??

> >

> >

> > ---And when you say hyper...what happened????

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

>Could this be due to the synthroid?

Yes, but I want to make sure you understand why. It's not because

Synthroid has a " side effect " of a swollen thyroid gland. It's

because Synthroid is T4-only. T4 is a storage hormone. T4 is meant

to convert to T3. T3 is the active hormone. An adequate amount gives

you plenty of energy, good health, great head of hair, full

eyebrows, speedier recovery from illness, yadda yadda yadda etc.

The problem with Synthroid and other T4-only meds is that in most

people, the T4 in Synthroid is not adequately converting to T3!! And

a less than optimal T3 causes most ALL the problems one has with

hypothyroid, AND with inadequate meds like T4!!

You own throid produces not only T4, but DIRECT T3, T2, T1 and

calcitonin. That is EXACTLY what Armour provides. THAT is why it is

absolutely superior to T4-only meds, BESIDES being natural and far

more compatible with your own system!!!

It is wise and healthy to switch. ESPECIALLY since you may be

getting Hashi's, but only an antibodies test will confirm that.

No, do not get off Synthroid until you can get right on Armour.

There is a conversion chart in the FILES section. Hopefully, you can

find a good doc to help you with that. And it may be important to

start out on a moderate dose (such as 1/2 grain) and every three

weeks or so, move up, until by symptoms and free T3 labs, you find

your optimal dose. I was on .125, and my optimal dose is now 2

grains (120 mgs.). But we are all different in that.

How to find a good doc?? Check out Armour thyroid site, or the links

to Top Docs in the LINKS section. Evaluate the recommendation. CALL

and ask the nurse if the doc routinely prescribes Armour, and if he

tests the FREE's. Those are clues that you might have a fabulous doc.

Keep us informed.

Janie

p.s. Doesn't sound like you have been on the soy long enough for it

to cause problems.......

[Guest guest]

Are you on HRT? Synthetic hormones can cause thyroid problems (( We like

Armour better here.

Gracia

I January I was diagnoised with Low Thryoid. The doctor put me on a very low

dose of Synthriod.

[Guest guest]

No I am trying to address this naturally also.

Becky

>

> Are you on HRT? Synthetic hormones can cause thyroid problems (( We

like Armour better here.

> Gracia

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Becky,

Welcome to the family.

First, please get off the soy. Its bad for the thyroid. There are other

natural ways to deal with meno. There is a lot of hype about soy being

great, its not. and if you are already hypo, it will zap your energy and is

bad for any natural thyroid function you have,

second, you are never going to really get better on evil synthroid. I Do NOT

think you should go off it until you have armour to take its place. Going on

and off thyroid meds screws with your body (I know, I have done it). Don't

go off, but do have your doc (or any doc!) get you some armour. It is far

superior.

Th other thing is that a swolen thyroid can usually be two things (It can be

other things, but this is most common). One, Hashimoto's thyroiditis, which

would mean that your thyroid problems are autoimmune in nature, and you are

getting a goiter form it. The other is just a run of the mill goiter

possibly, which means your thyroid is functioning less and less, and it

enlarging in attempt to trap iodine. That happened to me when I was first

diagnosed.

Hang out, you will learn a lot here!

> I January I was diagnoised with Low Thryoid. The doctor put me on a very

low

> dose of Synthriod.

[Guest guest]

Do the doctors that prescribe the Armour take insurance?

Becky

[Guest guest]

Becky look at http://www.armourthyroid.com or

http://www.geocities.com/thyroide for doc referral. You have to call and ask if

they take insurance (my doc does not).

Gracia in ME

Do the doctors that prescribe the Armour take insurance?

Becky

[Guest guest]

They're not going to be scared of a bunch of hypos, Gracia. Heck,

they know that if they took Armour off the market that those who

aren't getting it wont have the energy to kick their arses!

Ella

>

> Becky look at http://www.armourthyroid.com or http://www.

geocities.com/thyroide for doc referral. You have to call and ask if

they take insurance (my doc does not).

> Gracia in ME

> Do the doctors that prescribe the Armour take insurance?

> Becky

>

>

[Guest guest]

We may not have the energy to kick their butts.. but there are enough of

us that now carry enough bulk where if we can get a head of steam going

down hill and land on them their gonna smush!

I'm actually scared of going back to a doc.... If he starts acting like a

jerk I'm gonna be screaming and yelling and throwing shit where they're

gonna hear me a mile away and calling the cops to haul away the crazy

lady.....

I'll never let another doc blow me off telling me I'm just fine... it was

that kind of care that cost me my thyroid gland, and for all intents and

purposes, my life.

Topper ()

http://toppertwo.tripod.com

On Sat, 24 May 2003 04:04:09 -0000 " Ella "

writes:

> They're not going to be scared of a bunch of hypos, Gracia. Heck,

> they know that if they took Armour off the market that those who

> aren't getting it wont have the energy to kick their arses!

>

>

>

>

> Ella

[Guest guest]

Did you see a piece on the news about a female cop who was trying to arrest a

guy, and he took her gun from her, was about to shoot her, and then a citizen

ran over, took the gun away from the guy, and then a BIG mamajama woman ran over

and sat on the guy! It was all on video from the cop cruiser. LOL

I am like you, I am afraid I will really lose it if I have to deal with one

more idiot doc. Now I have to choose a local provider for primary care. It's a

real dilemma. If I really lose it, I will be scary, and maybe end up on the

evening news.

Gracia

We may not have the energy to kick their butts.. but there are enough of

us that now carry enough bulk where if we can get a head of steam going

down hill and land on them their gonna smush!

I'm actually scared of going back to a doc.... If he starts acting like a

jerk I'm gonna be screaming and yelling and throwing shit where they're

gonna hear me a mile away and calling the cops to haul away the crazy

lady.....

I'll never let another doc blow me off telling me I'm just fine... it was

that kind of care that cost me my thyroid gland, and for all intents and

purposes, my life.

Topper ()

http://toppertwo.tripod.com

[Guest guest]

It's always been in the back of my mind.. that I really needn't be afraid

of not being agile and mobile enough to defend myself... If I sit down

ain't no body gonna pick me up and kidnap me... and if someone hurts me..

all I have to do is fall on them.. either on the ground or against a

wall.. they may still shoot me.. but they still ain't movin me....

....small consolation.. but you got to look at the positives in any given

situation, right?

I would LOVE to see that film clip! hehehehe

Topper ()

http://toppertwo.tripod.com

On Sat, 24 May 2003 11:21:32 -0400 " Gracia " writes:

>

> Did you see a piece on the news about a female cop who was trying

> to arrest a guy, and he took her gun from her, was about to shoot

> her, and then a citizen ran over, took the gun away from the guy,

> and then a BIG mamajama woman ran over and sat on the guy! It was

> all on video from the cop cruiser. LOL

> I am like you, I am afraid I will really lose it if I have to deal

> with one more idiot doc. Now I have to choose a local provider for

> primary care. It's a real dilemma. If I really lose it, I will be

> scary, and maybe end up on the evening news.

> Gracia