Guest guest Posted April 6, 2003 Report Share Posted April 6, 2003 Thank you sooo much for trying to help me figure this out. Here are my test results: Oct,02 Feb 02 T-4 8.2 (4.5 -12.0 8.1 Free T-4 1.7 (0.7-1.8) l.8 TSH 0.05 0.05 T3 Uptake 34 (22-35) 37 Free T-3 2.7 (l.5-4.1) 4.3 LH 28 Menopuase 11-40 FSH 66 " 22-153 Porlactine 9 4-37 Cortisol AM 11 5-25 " PM 8 2-14 Testosterone 10 Progesterone 91 Estradiol 20 (12-30) menopause I am not taking DHEA or Selenium.. I know nothing about these supplements.. Thank you very much you guys are a GodSend Lorene In NaturalThyroidHormones , " loboshe " <usns@r...> wrote: > Hi there Lorene in the Caribbean. Glad you joined us. > > Well, first, it would help if you can post your lab tests, plus > ranges, which you say are good. Because I suspect they are far from > good!! First, your free T3 needs to be in the upper part of the > range to really get the optimal results from your thyroid. Your free > T4 needs to be at least mid-range. The fact that you are feeling > depression and without energy tells me you probably have a low free > T3. > > You stated that when you took Armour before, you became hyper. How > much were you on? Is there a possibility that you simply took too > much?? > > Also, have you ever had your adrenals tested?? And what about your > female hormones, plus your testosterone levels?? Are you taking > DHEA?? And what about Selenium?? > > Look forward to hearing from you. > > Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2003 Report Share Posted April 6, 2003 -The compound was a capsule 125 tri-est 50 progest. also 1ml test every other day.. which was very low.. I believe I am on the right track.. From what I have researched and the Doctor telling me is the hormones are binding up.. that is the war that is going on inside of me.. I need to find the right combination,. If you guys can think of other tests, I know I need to have them again since my last one was Oct. just let me know.. I do not need a Doctor here.. You can just go to the lab and order what you like. as long as you have Cash. Maybe with your guidance and help I can get the right combination Thank you kindly Lorene - In NaturalThyroidHormones , " Gracia " <circe@g...> wrote: > > Hi, I am wondering what kind of compounded hormones you took, capsules or cream? For me, the right amount of the right type of hormones worked (capsules just about killed me whereas cream restored me to health). and then you need to add ENOUGH Armour to that, not treat to tsh test. > Gracia > > I have just joined this group and read some of your posts.. Sorry I > have not found you sooner. > I am having lots of problems with my meds and would like some imput > from your experiences. > I am 54 past menopause and been hypo 12 plus yrs.. I have tried > several combinations and still feel pretty lousy. > I am taking now Unithyroid 125 and 1/2 grain Armour. I am feeling > very depressed and no energy even though my lab tests are good. > I don't live in the states but a small island in Caribbean. Here > there are no specialists and I am educating myself through books and > websites like this one. > I am very curious about taking just the Armour. I tried this before > but became very hyper and had joint pain. I have alos tried > compounding estrogen/progest and that turned me into a B---- I > experienced very bad moods swings and sweats and joint pain.. I > stopped taking this and that disappeared.. I am now taking just Prog > creme in the evening. > I have leaned sooo much about how everything works together. After > my hysto 3 yrs ago it has been downhill from there. > Any help I would appreciate > Thanks > Lorene > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2003 Report Share Posted April 6, 2003 --- My doctor gave them to me and told me to start with a grain and add to that.. I believe I was taking 1-1/2 - 2 grain.. He advised me to start and keep adding to I felt better but I think I went overboard. I also started to have joint pain as well.. Maybe I needed to give it a bit longer try Thanks Lorene In NaturalThyroidHormones , " Jobes " <nancyjobes@e...> wrote: > You stated that when you took Armour before, you became hyper. How > much were you on? Is there a possibility that you simply took too > much?? > > > ---And when you say hyper...what happened???? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2003 Report Share Posted April 6, 2003 --- My doctor gave them to me and told me to start with a grain and add to that.. I believe I was taking 1-1/2 - 2 grain.. He advised me to start and keep adding to I felt better but I think I went overboard. I also started to have joint pain as well.. Maybe I needed to give it a bit longer try Thanks Lorene I became hyper and had palpations and could not sleep In NaturalThyroidHormones , " Jobes " <nancyjobes@e...> wrote: > You stated that when you took Armour before, you became hyper. How > much were you on? Is there a possibility that you simply took too > much?? > > > ---And when you say hyper...what happened???? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2003 Report Share Posted April 6, 2003 OK, here's what I can tell you. First, your free T4 is fine, but your free T3 is low, and that is why you will continue to have hypo symptoms. Your free T3 needs to be in the upper part of the range, and you won't accomplish it on T4-only meds. If you increase your T4 meds, you will get your free T4 too high, with symptoms to go along with it. If you are working with a doc, he/she may get concerned about your low TSH. But there is no concern. What you need to work on is that free T3, not go by the TSH!! So, it might be quite practical to re-try the Armour and drop the Unithroid. But this time, start on the 1 grain only, and stay with it for at least 5-6 weeks. Then up it 1/4 grain, and stay on that for at least 5-6 weeks. It's important to go up conservatively, and slowly, to avoid any problems. Then retest, if necessary. Or, if you remember at exactly what amount you went overboard, try sticking at 1/4 grain right underneath that amount, when you eventually get to that point. BUT, before you do any of the above, I'd like our experts here on adrenals to comment on your lab results. Because if you are low as it appears you are, they will advise you to do something with those adrenals, which is VERY important before you make a switch to Armour only. Because if your adrenals are low-functioning, you will have problems as you increase that Armour dose.... What was the range for that testosterone?? And was that free or total?? I am thinking it might have been your total, with a range similar to 14 - 76??? IF so, you are QUITE low and need supplementation, which will help tremendously!! DHEA helps with energy. Selenium helps the thyroid better convert the T4 to T3, no matter what you are taking!! I'll let others do their job here for you, too, on the female hormones. Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2003 Report Share Posted April 6, 2003 I am not sure what you mean, that the hormones are binding up. The amount of hormones was too low, and also being oral was destroyed in the gut before making it into the bloodstream. I don't even think you need lots of tests! just the right amount of the right hormones, and then Armour will work just fine. There is currently lots of debate about hormones. Choices are 1) just use low dose estradiol gel 2)just use low dose progesterone cream 3) use compounded tri-est and progesterone (testosterone) cream by Rx. I am using Rx of compounded tri-est 2.5mg, 100mg progesterone 2X a day, 7-keto DHEA 50mg eveyr day, and androstenedion every other day. I will talk to doc this week and see if this is what I end up with. I have been feeling great but may try to lower thyroid meds again. Gracia ps IMO the problem is not the war inside you, as your body is trying the best it can to work right, the problem is the doc. The compound was a capsule 125 tri-est 50 progest. also 1ml test every other day.. which was very low.. I believe I am on the right track.. From what I have researched and the Doctor telling me is the hormones are binding up.. that is the war that is going on inside of me.. I need to find the right combination,. If you guys can think of other tests, I know I need to have them again since my last one was Oct. just let me know.. I do not need a Doctor here.. You can just go to the lab and order what you like. as long as you have Cash. Maybe with your guidance and help I can get the right combination Thank you kindly Lorene - In NaturalThyroidHormones , " Gracia " <circe@g...> wrote: > > Hi, I am wondering what kind of compounded hormones you took, capsules or cream? For me, the right amount of the right type of hormones worked (capsules just about killed me whereas cream restored me to health). and then you need to add ENOUGH Armour to that, not treat to tsh test. > Gracia > > I have just joined this group and read some of your posts.. Sorry I > have not found you sooner. > I am having lots of problems with my meds and would like some imput > from your experiences. > I am 54 past menopause and been hypo 12 plus yrs.. I have tried > several combinations and still feel pretty lousy. > I am taking now Unithyroid 125 and 1/2 grain Armour. I am feeling > very depressed and no energy even though my lab tests are good. > I don't live in the states but a small island in Caribbean. Here > there are no specialists and I am educating myself through books and > websites like this one. > I am very curious about taking just the Armour. I tried this before > but became very hyper and had joint pain. I have alos tried > compounding estrogen/progest and that turned me into a B---- I > experienced very bad moods swings and sweats and joint pain.. I > stopped taking this and that disappeared.. I am now taking just Prog > creme in the evening. > I have leaned sooo much about how everything works together. After > my hysto 3 yrs ago it has been downhill from there. > Any help I would appreciate > Thanks > Lorene > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2003 Report Share Posted April 6, 2003 > Cortisol AM 11 5-25 > " PM 8 2-14 Do you remember what times these were done? Was it like 8 am and noon, or what? And how long were you up that morning before taking the first test? While they fall within normal ranges...and very well may be normal for you (if you were not under increased stress or sick at the time) and may be normal because it didn't drop off too much later in the day...but the more I read the more I see that random cortisol is so inconclusive...though I am very impressed they ran them...maybe I need to go on vacation and see YOUR doc...*G* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2003 Report Share Posted April 7, 2003 --Gracia Where do you get your jel's? and the 7Keto DHEA.? I want to take this info to my doctor and see what I can get done.. Also there is a drug company in UK that I can just order some drugs on line and ship her to me. Here ther are no compounding pharmacy and I can only get the 50ml Patch and that is what I have been using.. Also I do have Dr. Lee's book and use a progest cream that I ordered online in US. I would like to do as you are doing and get this all balanced out.. I am sure that is all my problems. Thanks for your help - In NaturalThyroidHormones , " Gracia " <circe@g...> wrote: > > I am not sure what you mean, that the hormones are binding up. The amount of hormones was too low, and also being oral was destroyed in the gut before making it into the bloodstream. I don't even think you need lots of tests! just the right amount of the right hormones, and then Armour will work just fine. There is currently lots of debate about hormones. Choices are 1) just use low dose estradiol gel 2)just use low dose progesterone cream 3) use compounded tri-est and progesterone (testosterone) cream by Rx. > I am using Rx of compounded tri-est 2.5mg, 100mg progesterone 2X a day, 7-keto DHEA 50mg eveyr day, and androstenedion every other day. I will talk to doc this week and see if this is what I end up with. I have been feeling great but may try to lower thyroid meds again. > Gracia > ps IMO the problem is not the war inside you, as your body is trying the best it can to work right, the problem is the doc. > > > The compound was a capsule 125 tri-est 50 progest. also 1ml test > every other day.. which was very low.. > I believe I am on the right track.. From what I have researched and > the Doctor telling me is the hormones are binding up.. that is the > war that is going on inside of me.. I need to find the right > combination,. > If you guys can think of other tests, I know I need to have them > again since my last one was Oct. just let me know.. I do not need a > Doctor here.. You can just go to the lab and order what you like. as > long as you have Cash. Maybe with your guidance and help I can get > the right combination > Thank you kindly > Lorene > > - In NaturalThyroidHormones , " Gracia " <circe@g...> > wrote: > > > > Hi, I am wondering what kind of compounded hormones you took, > capsules or cream? For me, the right amount of the right type of > hormones worked (capsules just about killed me whereas cream restored > me to health). and then you need to add ENOUGH Armour to that, not > treat to tsh test. > > Gracia > > > > I have just joined this group and read some of your posts.. Sorry > I > > have not found you sooner. > > I am having lots of problems with my meds and would like some > imput > > from your experiences. > > I am 54 past menopause and been hypo 12 plus yrs.. I have tried > > several combinations and still feel pretty lousy. > > I am taking now Unithyroid 125 and 1/2 grain Armour. I am > feeling > > very depressed and no energy even though my lab tests are good. > > I don't live in the states but a small island in Caribbean. Here > > there are no specialists and I am educating myself through books > and > > websites like this one. > > I am very curious about taking just the Armour. I tried this > before > > but became very hyper and had joint pain. I have alos tried > > compounding estrogen/progest and that turned me into a B---- I > > experienced very bad moods swings and sweats and joint pain.. I > > stopped taking this and that disappeared.. I am now taking just > Prog > > creme in the evening. > > I have leaned sooo much about how everything works together. > After > > my hysto 3 yrs ago it has been downhill from there. > > Any help I would appreciate > > Thanks > > Lorene > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2003 Report Share Posted April 7, 2003 ---Janie The testosterone, I believe is Total.. I am now taking in 1ml test every other day and started this in Feb. I am also thinking that I have adrenal problems.. I would really appreciate if someone would help me with this.. What can I do for the adrenals? I feel that is the key to alot of my problems also with the estrogen/progest and having such a bad effect when I take it. I have no " real " doctor here, they only look at TSH only.. I go to the states 3 times per year and there try to get my meds as best I can. Here I can go to the lab and get any test done without a doctor and that is pretty much what I have been doing these past yrs. If there is any test that can further help you guys.. Please let me know and also for the adrenals. I would like to get the adrenals healthy before starting the Armour like you suggested. Wait for your reply Lorene In NaturalThyroidHormones , " loboshe " <usns@r...> wrote: > OK, here's what I can tell you. First, your free T4 is fine, but > your free T3 is low, and that is why you will continue to have hypo > symptoms. Your free T3 needs to be in the upper part of the range, > and you won't accomplish it on T4-only meds. If you increase your T4 > meds, you will get your free T4 too high, with symptoms to go along > with it. > > If you are working with a doc, he/she may get concerned about your > low TSH. But there is no concern. What you need to work on is that > free T3, not go by the TSH!! > > So, it might be quite practical to re-try the Armour and drop the > Unithroid. But this time, start on the 1 grain only, and stay with > it for at least 5-6 weeks. Then up it 1/4 grain, and stay on that > for at least 5-6 weeks. It's important to go up conservatively, and > slowly, to avoid any problems. Then retest, if necessary. Or, if you > remember at exactly what amount you went overboard, try sticking at > 1/4 grain right underneath that amount, when you eventually get to > that point. > > BUT, before you do any of the above, I'd like our experts here on > adrenals to comment on your lab results. Because if you are low as > it appears you are, they will advise you to do something with those > adrenals, which is VERY important before you make a switch to Armour > only. Because if your adrenals are low-functioning, you will have > problems as you increase that Armour dose.... > > What was the range for that testosterone?? And was that free or > total?? I am thinking it might have been your total, with a range > similar to 14 - 76??? IF so, you are QUITE low and need > supplementation, which will help tremendously!! > > DHEA helps with energy. Selenium helps the thyroid better convert > the T4 to T3, no matter what you are taking!! > > I'll let others do their job here for you, too, on the female > hormones. > > Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2003 Report Share Posted April 7, 2003 -- The cortisol was taking at 9:15 or so.. and " Who " knows when they ran the test.. Here is is another world than the states and people are very relaxed and pay not attention to detail.. even at the lab. The PM was at 4:00 I have No stress living here other than the stress of feeling sooo lousy. Also , I had the tests ran myself without a Doctor.. after researching and reading I found that this could also be my problem. I even had my B12 checked to see if that could be off but was OK If you can think of anything I can do or test to take please let me know.. I am gettingno help here and have to find out myself. I can also order from UK Med's and have them shipped to me.. Thanks for your help Lorene - In NaturalThyroidHormones , " Jobes " <nancyjobes@e...> wrote: > > Cortisol AM 11 5-25 > > " PM 8 2-14 > Do you remember what times these were done? Was it like 8 am and noon, or > what? And how long were you up that morning before taking the first test? > > While they fall within normal ranges...and very well may be normal for you > (if you were not under increased stress or sick at the time) and may be > normal because it didn't drop off too much later in the day...but the more I > read the more I see that random cortisol is so inconclusive...though I am > very impressed they ran them...maybe I need to go on vacation and see YOUR > doc...*G* > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2003 Report Share Posted April 7, 2003 Lorene, I am sorry that where you live is a little TOO relaxed...I have a problem where I live that is similar but different in the way that it is very rural and that it is about 100 years ago. I live in an area very populated with old order Amish...the type that ride the horse and buggies to the grocery store. There is a hitching post there. Lets just say its a little isolated. The doctors do not know how to treat anything they cannot give you an antibiotic for! Here are some guidelines I posted a few days ago for interpreting random cortisol: The Interpreter Measurement of the serum cortisol from samples taken between 8 and 9 a.m. serves as a good initial screening test. If the level is less than 3 micrograms/dL, the diagnosis is established and no further testing is needed other than a serum ACTH level which will determine if the pathology is primary (ACTH > 100 pg/mL) versus secondary (low or normal ACTH). Serum cortisol levels greater than 19 micrograms/dL conclusively eliminate the diagnosis. Levels in between 4 and 18 micrograms/dL indicate the need for further testing. It is important to note that a normal cortisol level in an acutely ill patient does not eliminate the diagnosis. Emedicine.com Interpret random serum cortisol concentrations within the context from which they were obtained. (For example, adrenal insufficiency is unlikely in an otherwise healthy individual with an 8:00 am serum cortisol concentration more than 10 mcg/dL. Yet a serum cortisol concentration less than 18 mcg/dL in a sick and stressed patient highly suggests adrenal insufficiency.) Department of Critical Care Medicine, University of Pittsburgh, PA, USA. There is clearly no absolute serum cortisol concentration that distinguishes an adequate from an insufficient adrenal response. However, we believe that a random cortisol concentration of <25 microg/dL in a highly stressed patient is a useful diagnostic threshold for the diagnosis of adrenal insufficiency Endocrinology Dept, UCLA Random cortisol: Drawn in an emergency setting (otherwise do a.m. cortisol) before giving stress dose steroids: Normal is > 18, 14-17 is indeterminate, 5-13 is presumptive (continue treatment), and < 5 mcg/dl is definite adrenal insufficiency Just a note, plenty of people with normal random cortisol numbers in the normal range are in fact hypoadrenal. When you are on thyroid meds, or under stress, or sick, your cortisol level goes up. However, the real test is whether or not it is actually able to respond to stress. I became very ill on thyroid meds, and even though I am hypo, I am unable to take them in even the tiniest doses. This is something that happens when your adrenals do not work properly. The real way to test is with a stimulation test. They take a cortisol sample and then give you a synth form of the pituitary hormone that stimulates the adrenals. Then, they take your cortisol again. If it doesn't raise, or rasies only a little, you have adrenal problems, if it raises a lot, you don't. Also, there is a test from great smokies gsdl.com that has a saliva test that can be an indicator. I just took that test so we will see how that comes back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2003 Report Share Posted April 7, 2003 Hi, I get tri-est and progesterone Rx from http://www.womensinternational.com androstenedion spray from http://www.vrp.com and 7keto DHEA from healthfood store but is available online. Do you order from http://www.smart-drugs.net in the UK? The sex hormones definitely work with thyroid hormones. Gracia --Gracia Where do you get your jel's? and the 7Keto DHEA.? I want to take this info to my doctor and see what I can get done.. Also there is a drug company in UK that I can just order some drugs on line and ship her to me. Here ther are no compounding pharmacy and I can only get the 50ml Patch and that is what I have been using.. Also I do have Dr. Lee's book and use a progest cream that I ordered online in US. I would like to do as you are doing and get this all balanced out.. I am sure that is all my problems. Thanks for your help - In NaturalThyroidHormones , " Gracia " <circe@g...> wrote: > > I am not sure what you mean, that the hormones are binding up. The amount of hormones was too low, and also being oral was destroyed in the gut before making it into the bloodstream. I don't even think you need lots of tests! just the right amount of the right hormones, and then Armour will work just fine. There is currently lots of debate about hormones. Choices are 1) just use low dose estradiol gel 2)just use low dose progesterone cream 3) use compounded tri-est and progesterone (testosterone) cream by Rx. > I am using Rx of compounded tri-est 2.5mg, 100mg progesterone 2X a day, 7-keto DHEA 50mg eveyr day, and androstenedion every other day. I will talk to doc this week and see if this is what I end up with. I have been feeling great but may try to lower thyroid meds again. > Gracia > ps IMO the problem is not the war inside you, as your body is trying the best it can to work right, the problem is the doc. > > > The compound was a capsule 125 tri-est 50 progest. also 1ml test > every other day.. which was very low.. > I believe I am on the right track.. From what I have researched and > the Doctor telling me is the hormones are binding up.. that is the > war that is going on inside of me.. I need to find the right > combination,. > If you guys can think of other tests, I know I need to have them > again since my last one was Oct. just let me know.. I do not need a > Doctor here.. You can just go to the lab and order what you like. as > long as you have Cash. Maybe with your guidance and help I can get > the right combination > Thank you kindly > Lorene > > - In NaturalThyroidHormones , " Gracia " <circe@g...> > wrote: > > > > Hi, I am wondering what kind of compounded hormones you took, > capsules or cream? For me, the right amount of the right type of > hormones worked (capsules just about killed me whereas cream restored > me to health). and then you need to add ENOUGH Armour to that, not > treat to tsh test. > > Gracia > > > > I have just joined this group and read some of your posts.. Sorry > I > > have not found you sooner. > > I am having lots of problems with my meds and would like some > imput > > from your experiences. > > I am 54 past menopause and been hypo 12 plus yrs.. I have tried > > several combinations and still feel pretty lousy. > > I am taking now Unithyroid 125 and 1/2 grain Armour. I am > feeling > > very depressed and no energy even though my lab tests are good. > > I don't live in the states but a small island in Caribbean. Here > > there are no specialists and I am educating myself through books > and > > websites like this one. > > I am very curious about taking just the Armour. I tried this > before > > but became very hyper and had joint pain. I have alos tried > > compounding estrogen/progest and that turned me into a B---- I > > experienced very bad moods swings and sweats and joint pain.. I > > stopped taking this and that disappeared.. I am now taking just > Prog > > creme in the evening. > > I have leaned sooo much about how everything works together. > After > > my hysto 3 yrs ago it has been downhill from there. > > Any help I would appreciate > > Thanks > > Lorene > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2003 Report Share Posted April 7, 2003 Welcome to the group, Lorene. I'm sure you've already gotten some good advice already (gosh, this group was busy, busy, busy yesterday and I had over 200 messages to go through) but I will give you my input. Your FT4 looks fine, but your FT3 is too low - no wonder you aren't feeling good. You may not be converting from FT4 to FT3. Selenium is a mineral which is very vital to this conversion. It would be helpful if you could tell us how much Armour you were on when you went hyper. I'm thinking you might do better on Armour, since it has not long T4, like the synthetic you are on, but it has T3, which is what you are low in, and it also has T0, T1, T2, Calcitonin (which makes sure your calcium levels are up to par) and Dr. Brownstein has indicated it also has Selenium in it. If you don't feel comfortable using Armour, perhaps you could add a synthetic T3 such as Cytomel. Just some ideas. You probably already got a TON of help already, but thought I'd give you my two cents worth. Good luck and we are SO happy to have you aboard. Cheers! Zina > > Hi there Lorene in the Caribbean. Glad you joined us. > > > > Well, first, it would help if you can post your lab tests, plus > > ranges, which you say are good. Because I suspect they are far from > > good!! First, your free T3 needs to be in the upper part of the > > range to really get the optimal results from your thyroid. Your > free > > T4 needs to be at least mid-range. The fact that you are feeling > > depression and without energy tells me you probably have a low free > > T3. > > > > You stated that when you took Armour before, you became hyper. How > > much were you on? Is there a possibility that you simply took too > > much?? > > > > Also, have you ever had your adrenals tested?? And what about your > > female hormones, plus your testosterone levels?? Are you taking > > DHEA?? And what about Selenium?? > > > > Look forward to hearing from you. > > > > Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2003 Report Share Posted April 7, 2003 Hi Lorene, Yes, it sounds like you did go overboard. You could simply start at 1 grain and stay with it for a while, and if you still don't feel well, got up to 1 1/2 grains or even 1 1/4 grains. The key is doing it slowly. That is an issue that I am struggling with - patience! LOL Zina > > You stated that when you took Armour before, you became hyper. How > > much were you on? Is there a possibility that you simply took too > > much?? > > > > > > ---And when you say hyper...what happened???? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2003 Report Share Posted April 7, 2003 Actually she could get hyper symptoms if she needed hormones, or wasn't getting the right amount. Gracia Hi Lorene, Yes, it sounds like you did go overboard. You could simply start at 1 grain and stay with it for a while, and if you still don't feel well, got up to 1 1/2 grains or even 1 1/4 grains. The key is doing it slowly. That is an issue that I am struggling with - patience! LOL Zina > > You stated that when you took Armour before, you became hyper. How > > much were you on? Is there a possibility that you simply took too > > much?? > > > > > > ---And when you say hyper...what happened???? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2003 Report Share Posted May 23, 2003 >Could this be due to the synthroid? Yes, but I want to make sure you understand why. It's not because Synthroid has a " side effect " of a swollen thyroid gland. It's because Synthroid is T4-only. T4 is a storage hormone. T4 is meant to convert to T3. T3 is the active hormone. An adequate amount gives you plenty of energy, good health, great head of hair, full eyebrows, speedier recovery from illness, yadda yadda yadda etc. The problem with Synthroid and other T4-only meds is that in most people, the T4 in Synthroid is not adequately converting to T3!! And a less than optimal T3 causes most ALL the problems one has with hypothyroid, AND with inadequate meds like T4!! You own throid produces not only T4, but DIRECT T3, T2, T1 and calcitonin. That is EXACTLY what Armour provides. THAT is why it is absolutely superior to T4-only meds, BESIDES being natural and far more compatible with your own system!!! It is wise and healthy to switch. ESPECIALLY since you may be getting Hashi's, but only an antibodies test will confirm that. No, do not get off Synthroid until you can get right on Armour. There is a conversion chart in the FILES section. Hopefully, you can find a good doc to help you with that. And it may be important to start out on a moderate dose (such as 1/2 grain) and every three weeks or so, move up, until by symptoms and free T3 labs, you find your optimal dose. I was on .125, and my optimal dose is now 2 grains (120 mgs.). But we are all different in that. How to find a good doc?? Check out Armour thyroid site, or the links to Top Docs in the LINKS section. Evaluate the recommendation. CALL and ask the nurse if the doc routinely prescribes Armour, and if he tests the FREE's. Those are clues that you might have a fabulous doc. Keep us informed. Janie p.s. Doesn't sound like you have been on the soy long enough for it to cause problems....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2003 Report Share Posted May 23, 2003 Are you on HRT? Synthetic hormones can cause thyroid problems (( We like Armour better here. Gracia I January I was diagnoised with Low Thryoid. The doctor put me on a very low dose of Synthriod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2003 Report Share Posted May 23, 2003 No I am trying to address this naturally also. Becky > > Are you on HRT? Synthetic hormones can cause thyroid problems (( We like Armour better here. > Gracia > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2003 Report Share Posted May 23, 2003 Hi Becky, Welcome to the family. First, please get off the soy. Its bad for the thyroid. There are other natural ways to deal with meno. There is a lot of hype about soy being great, its not. and if you are already hypo, it will zap your energy and is bad for any natural thyroid function you have, second, you are never going to really get better on evil synthroid. I Do NOT think you should go off it until you have armour to take its place. Going on and off thyroid meds screws with your body (I know, I have done it). Don't go off, but do have your doc (or any doc!) get you some armour. It is far superior. Th other thing is that a swolen thyroid can usually be two things (It can be other things, but this is most common). One, Hashimoto's thyroiditis, which would mean that your thyroid problems are autoimmune in nature, and you are getting a goiter form it. The other is just a run of the mill goiter possibly, which means your thyroid is functioning less and less, and it enlarging in attempt to trap iodine. That happened to me when I was first diagnosed. Hang out, you will learn a lot here! > I January I was diagnoised with Low Thryoid. The doctor put me on a very low > dose of Synthriod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2003 Report Share Posted May 23, 2003 Do the doctors that prescribe the Armour take insurance? Becky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2003 Report Share Posted May 23, 2003 Becky look at http://www.armourthyroid.com or http://www.geocities.com/thyroide for doc referral. You have to call and ask if they take insurance (my doc does not). Gracia in ME Do the doctors that prescribe the Armour take insurance? Becky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2003 Report Share Posted May 23, 2003 They're not going to be scared of a bunch of hypos, Gracia. Heck, they know that if they took Armour off the market that those who aren't getting it wont have the energy to kick their arses! Ella > > Becky look at http://www.armourthyroid.com or http://www. geocities.com/thyroide for doc referral. You have to call and ask if they take insurance (my doc does not). > Gracia in ME > Do the doctors that prescribe the Armour take insurance? > Becky > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2003 Report Share Posted May 24, 2003 We may not have the energy to kick their butts.. but there are enough of us that now carry enough bulk where if we can get a head of steam going down hill and land on them their gonna smush! I'm actually scared of going back to a doc.... If he starts acting like a jerk I'm gonna be screaming and yelling and throwing shit where they're gonna hear me a mile away and calling the cops to haul away the crazy lady..... I'll never let another doc blow me off telling me I'm just fine... it was that kind of care that cost me my thyroid gland, and for all intents and purposes, my life. Topper () http://toppertwo.tripod.com On Sat, 24 May 2003 04:04:09 -0000 " Ella " writes: > They're not going to be scared of a bunch of hypos, Gracia. Heck, > they know that if they took Armour off the market that those who > aren't getting it wont have the energy to kick their arses! > > > > > Ella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2003 Report Share Posted May 24, 2003 Did you see a piece on the news about a female cop who was trying to arrest a guy, and he took her gun from her, was about to shoot her, and then a citizen ran over, took the gun away from the guy, and then a BIG mamajama woman ran over and sat on the guy! It was all on video from the cop cruiser. LOL I am like you, I am afraid I will really lose it if I have to deal with one more idiot doc. Now I have to choose a local provider for primary care. It's a real dilemma. If I really lose it, I will be scary, and maybe end up on the evening news. Gracia We may not have the energy to kick their butts.. but there are enough of us that now carry enough bulk where if we can get a head of steam going down hill and land on them their gonna smush! I'm actually scared of going back to a doc.... If he starts acting like a jerk I'm gonna be screaming and yelling and throwing shit where they're gonna hear me a mile away and calling the cops to haul away the crazy lady..... I'll never let another doc blow me off telling me I'm just fine... it was that kind of care that cost me my thyroid gland, and for all intents and purposes, my life. Topper () http://toppertwo.tripod.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2003 Report Share Posted May 24, 2003 It's always been in the back of my mind.. that I really needn't be afraid of not being agile and mobile enough to defend myself... If I sit down ain't no body gonna pick me up and kidnap me... and if someone hurts me.. all I have to do is fall on them.. either on the ground or against a wall.. they may still shoot me.. but they still ain't movin me.... ....small consolation.. but you got to look at the positives in any given situation, right? I would LOVE to see that film clip! hehehehe Topper () http://toppertwo.tripod.com On Sat, 24 May 2003 11:21:32 -0400 " Gracia " writes: > > Did you see a piece on the news about a female cop who was trying > to arrest a guy, and he took her gun from her, was about to shoot > her, and then a citizen ran over, took the gun away from the guy, > and then a BIG mamajama woman ran over and sat on the guy! It was > all on video from the cop cruiser. LOL > I am like you, I am afraid I will really lose it if I have to deal > with one more idiot doc. Now I have to choose a local provider for > primary care. It's a real dilemma. If I really lose it, I will be > scary, and maybe end up on the evening news. > Gracia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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