Re: janet & Cathrine

[Guest guest]

Dear Roz,

You said:

<<Glad to see you back Janet i was getting a bit worried about you.I

have been a bit sad and panicky this week over what happened to joey.

I am having a tough time dealing with it what keeps going through my

mind is that she was so angry with the medical proffesion that she

would rather have died than gone to them for help.Thats what i feel

and that she was sending a message to them and to those who wouldn't

listen to her about what the drugs did to bob.I may be way off the

mark here but i have to get these thoughts out of my head and maybe

with writing them down it might help me.

Loads of hugs to you both from me Roz>>

** I can understand why you might think that would not see

a physician because of what happened to Bob, but long before Bob's

damage from the drugs, had little use for physicians (her father

and at least one of her brothers are MDs).

I'm going to try to walk the line here between privacy and being

able to help people make some sense of this. Knowing as I did,

she would want you all to understand.

We have a superficial way of deciding when people are supposed

to die. We base it on age. Spiritually speaking, we all come here

with something to give others. In exchange, others give us something,

too. In most cases, what we get from others are things that help us

learn something our souls are trying to learn.

Sometimes out jobs are done before we hit old age. We have given

and received all we can. Perhaps we've been stuck for a long time

and we feel we've done all that we can given the circumstances. No

soul wants to be stuck but when it gets that way it is because the

ego is being stubborn and not getting out of the way. The tug of war

between the soul and ego prevents either from moving. Everything

becomes frozen. Our souls know there is a way to break the stand-off

when all else has failed.

chose to not see a physician about her condition because

was doing what, deep in her heart, she felt was best for her. It is

impossible for any one of us to say that it wasn't best for her as

none of us have walked her path, experiencing what she's experienced,

or made life choices she made. It is uniquely hers and cannot be re-

created.

We tend to have difficulty making sense of things people do that

we cannot conceive ourselves doing. This is when we have to look at a

much larger picture and know that although something we see that

happens may not be right for us, it might be very right for another

person.

But again, it is completely inappropriate and ridiculous for me to

judge any of this. A valuable lesson I learned some time ago is that

we know very little about what life truly is and that life is much

larger than what we experience here on Earth. The only way to make

sense of 's passing on is to understand that in our culture we

DON'T usually understand these things.

may have physically left Earth but she lives on.

Many hugs back to you, Roz.

[Guest guest]

Hi Janet,

You said:

<<<<It's a new beginning for

her; we're still stuck here :-).>>

***Remember, if we are " stuck here " , there is a reason for it. We have

something to learn, something to teach, a job to do.

Hang in there, Janet. There are many, many reasons for you to be here, and

many ways to make it more bearable. Give it all some more time....and keep

in touch!

Hugs,

Kim

[Guest guest]

Hi Cathrine,

Thankyou for explaining that to me you have given me some insight as to how to cope with death.I never got to learn that when my dad died in 97 because i was put on paxil 2 weeks later. I carried dad around with me untill last year when i was able to talk to a minister and tell him what i was going through and he helped me to let my dad go. It broke my heart to do that but i did.I had no idea about any greaving prossess all i knew was i couldn't let him go.I probably would have come to terms with it so much sooner had i not been numbed out and fighting for my life on paxil. I think it's weird that what happened eventualy led me to this group.I learn from this group about all sorts of different things and i am greatful for the messages that other people take the time to write.

My husband handed me a book a couple of days ago when i was miserable and he said go and read this it's called the celestine prophecy about 9 insights in to life. Wow what a book. I haven't been able to put it down When i wrote my last email to the group i had only read to the fourth insight.By the time i got your repley i was at the eighth insight I had to call my husband to read the email you send me back and i asked him if you had read the book he told me to ask you.What you discribed in your email is what i am learning from this book you discribe it as your valuable lesson about what life truly is and how we expeirience it on earth.I f you havent read this book you would all enjoy it it's so hard to put down once you start reading it.Well i am of to bed to read the 9th insight maybe i will be even wiser in the morning. lots of hugs to you all from Roz

[Guest guest]

Dear Janet,

You said:

<<Thanks for the welcome back. I'm anotherone like . No medical care

card in my wallet. If i drop i drop and that's it. I seen and heard too

many horror stores and few if any good stories about " medical "

treatement to get any myself unless absolutely necessary for some

reason. had a strong faith it seems so i wouldn't worry too much

abouther. I'm sure it's us she's worried about, we who slog on.>>

** had medical insurance.

You said:

<<I'm glad you feel free enough to voice your fears and cares here. I

think they are shared by many. I didn't even know was sick in any

manner. But then i guess she wouldn've been nagged out of kindness and

care to get treatment she really didn't want. It's a new beginning for

her; we're still stuck here :-).>>

** Stuck? I don't see it. It's difficult for me to believe we had no

role in coming here. Those who stay, stay for a reason just as those who

leave, leave for a reason. It's a given that if one is still here, there

is still work for one to do.

Regards,