Re: Re: B6 and hormone receptors

May 9, 2006

All I can say is that I've taken extra B6 several times a day ever since my

mid thirties for fighting stress, fatigue, swollen ankles

and help women with overall hormonal balance. A little Jewish elder who was

in my French Club then looked at me alarmed - I looked haggard, pale and

couldn't digist food properly anymore -

told me about B6 then, and within a week I could eat raw onions again!

What I've learned from lots of nutritional studies is this: It seems women

need way more of the B6 than men. Also helps aminos to be properly

absorbed - together with (Ester if you're sensitive) C - as well as for

sensitivities and pain control.

Love,

Charlotte

(CHHC, CHT, retired - for anyone who needs to know)

Re: B6 and hormone receptors

So many things are involved in properly absorbing our hormones!

>

> Came across this book on Amazon " Nutrition and Gene Expression "

> by Carolyn D. Berdanier, L. Hargrove and was playing around

with

> the search feature when I decided to look up estrogen.

>

> Well it had a whole chapter on B6 and estrogen receptors properly

> receiving the hormones. Really kinda interesting although I don't

> understand it all perfectly. But the jest is that we really need B6

> for for our hormone receptors to express the hormones they

recieve.

> But the B6 seems to come from the liver in the correct

form...least I

> think that was it.

>

> Curious what others think of this.......

> Lynn

>

click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/

**The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended as

medical advice.**

May 9, 2006

B6 is magic, but we must take in with a balanced (as in nature) B vitamins.

Taking one isolated B vitamin without the others over many years creates

deficiencies of the other Bs and creates further health problems. But for

short periods, a few months, high amounts of one B can be very health

building. The old Adelle books explain this really well.

Re: B6 and hormone receptors

>

> So many things are involved in properly absorbing our hormones!

>

>>

>> Came across this book on Amazon " Nutrition and Gene Expression "

>> by Carolyn D. Berdanier, L. Hargrove and was playing around

> with

>> the search feature when I decided to look up estrogen.

>>

>> Well it had a whole chapter on B6 and estrogen receptors properly

>> receiving the hormones. Really kinda interesting although I don't

>> understand it all perfectly. But the jest is that we really need B6

>> for for our hormone receptors to express the hormones they

> recieve.

>> But the B6 seems to come from the liver in the correct

> form...least I

>> think that was it.

>>

>> Curious what others think of this.......

>> Lynn

>>

>

> click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/

>

> **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended as

> medical advice.**

>

May 9, 2006

Larrian Gillespie MD recommends B-6 in an enteric-coated tablet. I take Now Vitamins B-6, 50 mg/day.

Val

-----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of Charlotte N.All I can say is that I've taken extra B6 several times a day ever since my mid thirties for fighting stress, fatigue, swollen anklesand help women with overall hormonal balance. A little Jewish elder who was in my French Club then looked at me alarmed - I looked haggard, pale and couldn't digist food properly anymore -told me about B6 then, and within a week I could eat raw onions again!What I've learned from lots of nutritional studies is this: It seems women need way more of the B6 than men. Also helps aminos to be properly absorbed - together with (Ester if you're sensitive) C - as well as for sensitivities and pain control.

May 9, 2006

I try to take a B complex but it seems I get mouth sores with those. I just ordered a different brand.

Val

-----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of LynnAre you taking other B's with it?Lynn>> Larrian Gillespie MD recommends B-6 in an enteric-coated tablet. Itake Now> Vitamins B-6, 50 mg/day.

May 9, 2006

That is a common sign of imbalanced B vitamin intake. Definitely change brands, look for one that has the same PERCENTAGE of the minimum daily requirement, doesn't matter if it is 100 or 1000 % or any other percent, you just want all the B vitamins to have the same or a very close percentage. Not 15% of one and 3000 % of another! So don't look for ones with the same amount of each B, like one that has 50 mg. of every B vitamin. That is very imbalanced. You want one that has the same percentage for each B, which means the actual amounts of each B are all over the map.

Biotin is the most expensive B vitamin and many companies skimp on it because of that. B1 and B2 are cheap so many companies include huge amounts of those, so be careful you don't get one with extreme imbalances like that. It is not unusual to see brands with thousands of percent of B1 and B2 and NO biotin!

---- Original Message -----

From: Valarie

To: rhythmicliving

Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 5:18 PM

Subject: RE: Re: B6 and hormone receptors

I try to take a B complex but it seems I get mouth sores with those. I just ordered a different brand.

Val

-----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of LynnAre you taking other B's with it?Lynn>> Larrian Gillespie MD recommends B-6 in an enteric-coated tablet. Itake Now> Vitamins B-6, 50 mg/day.

May 9, 2006

,

Can you explain this a bit more.Or give an example of what the % would look like?

Thanks!

Liz

That is a common sign of imbalanced B vitamin intake. Definitely change brands, look for one that has the same PERCENTAGE of the minimum daily requirement, doesn't matter if it is 100 or 1000 % or any other percent, you just want all the B vitamins to have the same or a very close percentage. Not 15% of one and 3000 % of another! So don't look for ones with the same amount of each B, like one that has 50 mg. of every B vitamin. That is very imbalanced. You want one that has the same percentage for each B, which means the actual amounts of each B are all over the map.

Biotin is the most expensive B vitamin and many companies skimp on it because of that. B1 and B2 are cheap so many companies include huge amounts of those, so be careful you don't get one with extreme imbalances like that. It is not unusual to see brands with thousands of percent of B1 and B2 and NO biotin!

May 9, 2006

If you are taking a B complex product like I describe below, and feel the need or are advised to take an isolated B, like B6, in larger amounts, that is fine generally, for a few weeks or months, sometimes years, especially if you are under the care and guidance of a practitioner who knows how to monitor your needs for the higher amounts. Many of us women have what seems like permanent needs for extra B6! I consider it a primary FEMALE B vitamin! LOL

BTW, a good multi-vitamin will often have the complete balanced B complex included in it, so you don't necessarily have to buy a B complex product to get balanced Bs.

RE: Re: B6 and hormone receptors

I try to take a B complex but it seems I get mouth sores with those. I just ordered a different brand.

Val

-----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of LynnAre you taking other B's with it?Lynn>> Larrian Gillespie MD recommends B-6 in an enteric-coated tablet. Itake Now> Vitamins B-6, 50 mg/day.

May 9, 2006

I already did that as best I could. Don't know what else to say other than to repeat myself, sorry it is so hard to understand or my skills in explaining it are so bad! LOL Let me try to find something online to show you.

-- Original Message -----

From: Liz Vernand

To: rhythmicliving

Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 6:35 PM

Subject: RE: Re: B6 and hormone receptors

,

Can you explain this a bit more.Or give an example of what the % would look like?

Thanks!

Liz

That is a common sign of imbalanced B vitamin intake. Definitely change brands, look for one that has the same PERCENTAGE of the minimum daily requirement, doesn't matter if it is 100 or 1000 % or any other percent, you just want all the B vitamins to have the same or a very close percentage. Not 15% of one and 3000 % of another! So don't look for ones with the same amount of each B, like one that has 50 mg. of every B vitamin. That is very imbalanced. You want one that has the same percentage for each B, which means the actual amounts of each B are all over the map.

Biotin is the most expensive B vitamin and many companies skimp on it because of that. B1 and B2 are cheap so many companies include huge amounts of those, so be careful you don't get one with extreme imbalances like that. It is not unusual to see brands with thousands of percent of B1 and B2 and NO biotin!

May 9, 2006

Go to www.shaklee.com and in the search box, write Vita Lea, that is a multi-vitamin I use. When you get there, you will see several times, click on any of them except the Gold, which is for older people and a little different than the regular Vita Lea. The label can be clicked on when you get onto one of the Vita Lea pages, a PDF file. Make it go really big so you can read the label and you will see what I mean about 100% of all the B complex.

That company also makes a B complex you can look at too, with much higher amounts of the Bs. But although it is a good product in terms of bioavailability, clinical studies, blah, blah, blah, I don't like it as well as I used to because I don't think it is as balanced as it once was. To cut costs, they lowered their biotin, so now if I use that product very much, I feel the need to buy and take extra isolated biotin to have a balanced B complex. So I don't use it all the time, only occasionally. I also know that high amounts of B complex really effect our estrogen levels, and I have a hunch that may be why mine have been so erratic on Wiley, because some days when I take my tests, I have taken a lot of B and somedays I haven't! So now when I take my tests this month, I am making sure I am only taking my Vita Lea each day, two tablets a day (one serving), and NONE of the B complex product, to see if my tests normalize.

--- Original Message -----

From: Liz Vernand

To: rhythmicliving

Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 6:35 PM

Subject: RE: Re: B6 and hormone receptors

,

Can you explain this a bit more.Or give an example of what the % would look like?

Thanks!

Liz

That is a common sign of imbalanced B vitamin intake. Definitely change brands, look for one that has the same PERCENTAGE of the minimum daily requirement, doesn't matter if it is 100 or 1000 % or any other percent, you just want all the B vitamins to have the same or a very close percentage. Not 15% of one and 3000 % of another! So don't look for ones with the same amount of each B, like one that has 50 mg. of every B vitamin. That is very imbalanced. You want one that has the same percentage for each B, which means the actual amounts of each B are all over the map.

Biotin is the most expensive B vitamin and many companies skimp on it because of that. B1 and B2 are cheap so many companies include huge amounts of those, so be careful you don't get one with extreme imbalances like that. It is not unusual to see brands with thousands of percent of B1 and B2 and NO biotin!

May 9, 2006

It's a fact women with hormonal or/and autoimmune health issues that they

usually lack B6s, maybe because the body needs 'disproportionately more' of

one element than another, because it can't 'properly' absorb/digest. Another

example is B1/ thiamine especially for diabetically inclined individuals,

and yet another one Pantotenic Acid/also 'Pantothine' for 'nerves', whereas

i.e. imune defeciencies often need extra B12 (also as

'cobalamine'=lozenges.)

These persons need extras of single Bs ( if possible with some natural food

and other minerals and/or vitamins), because their body lacks effective

digestive fun ctions.

I know only too well it has often been said by NDs at first, and then by MDs

(if these gave vitamins " a chance " ), you should take all of them together as

a " B-complex " . And that used to be true for the (formerly considered

" average, i.e. ) " healthy " person Of course, we all know that nowadays, there

is hardly any such " totally healthy person " around anymore - because of the

wrong lifestyles, eating habits and stress levels -, and lab tests have

amply shown the need for extra single Bs (because of a lack of them in

people with the above deficiencies), but n o t 'alone' =

n o t on an empty stomach, i.e. with some food.

If I had believed what the doctors said 20 and still 5 years ago,

I would've been dead several times over...

Just my " 2 cents " ....

Cheereo,

Charlotte

Re: B6 and hormone receptors

> Are you taking other B's with it?

> Lynn

>

>>

>> Larrian Gillespie MD recommends B-6 in an enteric-coated tablet. I

> take Now

>> Vitamins B-6, 50 mg/day.

>>

>> Val

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: rhythmicliving

>> [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of Charlotte N.

>>

>> All I can say is that I've taken extra B6 several times a day ever

> since

>> my

>> mid thirties for fighting stress, fatigue, swollen ankles

>> and help women with overall hormonal balance. A little Jewish

> elder who

>> was

>> in my French Club then looked at me alarmed - I looked haggard,

> pale and

>> couldn't digist food properly anymore -

>> told me about B6 then, and within a week I could eat raw onions again!

>> What I've learned from lots of nutritional studies is this: It

> seems women

>> need way more of the B6 than men. Also helps aminos to be properly

>> absorbed - together with (Ester if you're sensitive) C - as well

> as for

>> sensitivities and pain control.

>>

>

> click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/

>

> **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended as

> medical advice.**

>

May 10, 2006

Fascinating!!!! Is that in her book, for I don't remember that. Or is that

info you got from her office, or your doctor did?

AS I explained in detail in posts on the LiveRight list before you joined

it, I did make a point of cutting out or way down on a lot of supplements I

had been using BECAUSE I wasn't on any kind of HRT, for I felt there might

be interference. My doctor knows what I take in general and didn't tell me

to stop using any of it, except she was adamant I had to quit using soy and

soy-related supplements.

Is that list on this list anywhere?

But as for cutting out all of my supplements? No way. My doctor told me to

start Schwarzbein at the same time she suggested I do Wiley, and that

program tells you what supplements to take, too, and is as particular about

quality of the products as I am already, and I already took and take what is

suggested on that program, the basics. I would have had horrid results so

far on Wiley if I had cut out all my supplements, for I need them. I know

not all people do, I have fragile health and always have. But after a

lifetime of taking and sometimes not taking, supplements, wiht my knowledge

and choices improving every year of my life on the subject, I know what a

mess I would be without mine, especially at this time while going through

all these hormone changes. I have no doubt I would have had a lot of

problems on Wiley so far without my supplement program. But then we learn

all kinds of things about Wiley's suggestions we don't agree with, don't

we?! LOL

Thank you SO much for sharing this with me!

Re: B6 and hormone receptors

-- Ms. Wiley told us she didn't want to use " anything but the

cream " . She had a whole list of supplements that she did not want us

to use because they crossed hormone receptors.

May 10, 2006

I have no idea.

Val

-----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of You get mouthsores? Why do you think that would be? >> I try to take a B complex but it seems I get mouth sores with those. I just> ordered a different brand.> > Val

May 10, 2006

I got off that list after Neal was so 'not nice' to me. I think I may have

unsubscribed before he was going to do it anyway!

There is a discussion in the book about several herbs that I am very

familiar with and don't use them anyway on a regular basis, although my

husband uses some in his practice and we keep them around the house as part

of our herbal medicine cabinet. I don't take on a daily basis any of those

anyway, even before I was on Wiley. They are not what I call part of a

'basic supplement' program.

If I go off my supplements, I have skin problems, or at least lose my

'gorgeous' skin, LOL, my varicose veins come back, my thyroid doesn't work

right, I have a bad insulin response, the list goes on and on of things I

have proven to myself over many decades that supplements help me with. They

are my health insurance!

For me to be using any kind of 'prescripton' even a compounded 'natural'

hormone, is SO foreign to me! I barely go to doctors, much less need their

help for anything.

My MD, Leah Morton, used to lecture about nutrition to MDs at conferences,

this was in the 1990s she told me this, and in telling me, joked about how

weird it was, because in those days, the majority thought she was nuts and

didn't 'believe' nutrition had any real effect on health, so it took bravery

to do those talks. In the late 1990s, when she went part-time, she told me

she was working on a book on nutrition and menopause, but then I moved to

Arizona and haven't spoken to her about a book since, and don't think she

ever published it. I'll try to remember to ask her when I see her again. My

point is that she is one of the few obgyns in the country, most likely, who

is any kind of expert on nutrition and women's health. All I know is that

when I talk to her about what I do, that unlike most doctors, she at least

has a good understanding of what I am doing. Since I first began going to

her, she totally encouraged me in that direction, and also encouraged my use

of Chinese medicine for my health. Now, her clinic has a Doctor of Oriental

Medicine, as all practicing acupuncturists/herbologist in New Mexico are

titled, working with it.

I did NOT agree with Wiley, actually found her statements bigoted, when she

says in her book that Chinese medicine is for Chinese people! Don't EVEN get

me started.....LOL

--- Original Message -----

To: <rhythmicliving >

Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 11:57 AM

Subject: Re: B6 and hormone receptors

> Well I have to look back on this list from one year ago, but Laurel,

> the original list owner, deleted a lot of messages due to problems

> going on at the time. However, I remember that distinctly. In fact,

> you can go over to the Non-Rhythmic Living list and ask the question

> over there. There are very few supplements she allows.

>

>>

>> Fascinating!!!! Is that in her book, for I don't remember that. Or is

> that

>> info you got from her office, or your doctor did?

>>

>

> click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/

>

> **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended as

> medical advice.**

>

May 10, 2006

Yes, she says that in her book. I will find the exact page later, as I have

to drive into the city today, this time I am doing my P test in Albuquerque,

since it is so much closer to me than Santa Fe, although I much prefer an

excuse to go to Santa Fe generally! LOL

..

Re: B6 and hormone receptors

>

>>

>> I did NOT agree with Wiley, actually found her statements bigoted,

> when she

>> says in her book that Chinese medicine is for Chinese people! Don't

> EVEN get

>> me started.....LOL

>>

>

> _______________________________________________

>

> She said WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT?????????????

>

> Outrageous!!!

>

> click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/

>

> **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended as

> medical advice.**

>

May 11, 2006

But it was AFTER menopause that my body was changing into another

lifeform.....LOL The hormones have begun to reverse all of that! I sailed

through perimenopause and menopause without a bleep, or so my husband says,

and he has treated enough women and taught and run clinics enough to have a

good perspective. And I know so many women who are using diet and nutrition

and just doing fine but I was not! And it seemed like the little Dutch boy,

every time I got one problem (leak) fixed, another one sprung up. I could

keep a lot under control with Chinese herbs but eventually I was taking half

a bottle of pills a day. I asked if we could figure out a way I could

shoot them up! LOL The tea version of those pills is SO much trouble, day in

and day out. Even I rebel at some point! LOL

I was going to go to Diane Petoskey or Dagmar Ehling, the Chinese medical

expert in women's issues, for help when Dr. Morton told me about Wiley and

Schwarz. and you know the rest of the story. You know some of this story

from the LR list, but since you asked on this list, I am repeating some

things from the other list for the sake of other readers on this list.

But the supplements, some of them, could be the cause of my excess E lately.

Dr. Morton will help me determine that when we see this month's blood test

results.

Re: B6 and hormone receptors

I have news for you. If your supplements do all this for you, then

you don't need any hormones!! Wiley claimed that the right amount

of hormones balanced properly FIXES all of this so you won't NEED

any supplements. And oops -- I forgot about the " Neal " incident!

Forgive me!

May 11, 2006