Guest guest Posted April 10, 2003 Report Share Posted April 10, 2003 I'm definately no expert on this..but it sounds to me that if you were to use this base without diluting it by 800% then it would be way over preserved. Most preservatives will be unsafe or at least irritating when used at higher then the manufacturers recommended maximum. Sutton > Hello! > Has anyone used commercially produced lotion bases? There is one I > am interested in trying that comes as a thick base to which water is > added at various percentages depending on the desired thickness of > the end product; from a hand lotion, to milk bath, to body spray. > The local supplier says that there is enough Germall Plus in the > base to accomodate up to 800% water (the amount suggested for a body > spray). > > When I asked if this would include floral waters the supplier didn't > know the answer and went to the manufacturer. This is the answer I > received from the supplier; > > " ... you can use floral water but she (the manufacturer)suggested > you should probably use a little more preservative just to be on the > safe side. They use Germal Plus and it can only hold up to 2% of > other additives. " > > My question is what are these people really saying? And how do I go > about finding a more satisfactory answer to my question? > > Sue > > > > > Post message: Cosmeticinfo > Subscribe: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo > Unsubscribe: Cosmeticinfo-unsubscribe > List owner: Cosmeticinfo-owner > URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2003 Report Share Posted April 10, 2003 maybe it is a typo.......and meant 80% water...have you checked on that....Geri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2003 Report Share Posted April 10, 2003 <<The local supplier says that there is enough Germall Plus in the base to accomodate up to 800% water (the amount suggested for a body spray). >> I find this interesting, evidently commercial bases must have changed in the last couple of years. The ones I'm familiar with had a max of 2% suggested for additives without upsetting the balance. 800% water additional water? Do they give any instructions on how to do this? And, how does that match up with your second quote << " ...They use Germal Plus and it can only hold up to 2% of other additives. " >> Jan Flood oakridge@... www.oakridgefarm.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2003 Report Share Posted April 10, 2003 Hi Sue, I don't know who your supplier (and it's none of my business) is but I believe the base you are referring to is Multibase EL1 (if not please let me know but it sure sounds like it) as I sell it and ran a yahoo groups supporting it when it was first introduced on the market. Here is the answer from the manufacturer directly regarding the amount of preservative in the base: " Liquid Germall Plus is issued in levels of 0. 5 - 1.5% in the formula. That means that in 1 kilo of product, we would add 50g-150g of preservative. This amount of preservative should be able to preserve the product up to the lotion stage and 1.0% at max of oily or waxy additives. Care needs to be taken not to destroy the preservative. While mixing the warm water with the base, the final product should not exceed 45ºC, taking in consideration warm water will cool down when mixed with the cold base. The preservative protects strictly against microbial contamination. The additives should be tested for micro-contamination. " and " Multibase EL-1 has been formulated with enough preservative so that it is stable for dilution with water until the lotion stage. You may want to add extra preservative if you are creating body milk or body mist. The percentage of preservative added should be between 0.15%-0.5% " Therefore if you add more water in order to make Body Milk or the Spray you will require more preservative and the same if you add more than 2% of additives (being waxes, butters, etc.). Floral water would be considered the same as water so if you add more than the amount required to make lotion (ie if you are making a spray) then you will require the additional preservative in the percentages listed above. I have had contact with the manufacturer directly so have obtained a lot of information that frankly they were missing when they first put this base to market. If you have any more questions please contact me directly and if I can't help I will put you in touch with someone who can. HTH, M2T Bare Essensuals *Authorized Canadian Distributor Heavenly Country Scents* http://www.bare-essensuals.com Hello! Has anyone used commercially produced lotion bases? There is one I am interested in trying that comes as a thick base to which water is added at various percentages depending on the desired thickness of the end product; from a hand lotion, to milk bath, to body spray. The local supplier says that there is enough Germall Plus in the base to accomodate up to 800% water (the amount suggested for a body spray). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 The product name is VitaPur. Is this familiar? Sue Frelick Turtle Cove Soapworks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 >The product name is VitaPur. Is this familiar? I'm not familiar with this lotion base. Do you have a web link? Maurice -------------------------------------------------------- Maurice O. Hevey Convergent Cosmetics, Inc. http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com ------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 Hi Sue, Yes that's the one. I have sent Maurice the MSDS that I was given from them since I didn't know if it could be sent to the list. We will see what he makes of it. Regards, M2T Bare Essensuals *Authorized Canadian Distributor Heavenly Country Scents* http://www.bare-essensuals.com The product name is VitaPur. Is this familiar? Sue Frelick Turtle Cove Soapworks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 On Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:45:00 -0700, bareessensuals@... wrote: >I have sent Maurice the MSDS that I was given from them since I didn't know if it could be sent to the list. We will see what he makes of it. According to the MSDS that sent to me, Multibase EL-1 contains Glycerin Glycol Monostearate Acrylamide Copolymer Octyldodecanol Isopropyl Myristate Isopropyl Palmitate PEG-20 Glyceryl Stearate Ceteareth-14 Polysorbate 85 Water Aloe Vera Extract Germall plus Carbopol This is an inaccurate MSDS and this list of ingredients should not be used as an ingredient declaration. Based on this MSDS and email messages that I exchanged with at The Scent Shack it appears that Vitapur has to do some chemistry and labeling homework. Maurice -------------------------------------------------------- Maurice O. Hevey Convergent Cosmetics, Inc. http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com ------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 >Based on this MSDS and email messages that I exchanged with >at The Scent Shack it appears that Vitapur has to do some chemistry and labeling homework. On Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:04:21 -0500 (CDT), thescentshack@... wrote: >Maurice, > >OK, well I'll let you take it up directly with VitaPur, since the >technical details are a little beyond us. Their website is vitapur.com. > > Vaughn >Owner >The Scent Shack > > > >> On Fri, 11 Apr 2003 13:20:35 -0500 (CDT), thescentshack@... wrote: >> >> >They responded by saying that Acrylamide Copolymer is the same thing as >> >Acrylaes Copolymer, and that this is in the dictionary. >> >> , >> >> Acrylates Copolymer does appear in the CTFA dictionary. It is not the same as Acrylamide Copolymer. >> >> And you are required to use INCI names. >> >> Maurice -------------------------------------------------------- Maurice O. Hevey Convergent Cosmetics, Inc. http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com ------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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