Re: Re:Neuroband, QDS ElectroCap, Electrode Cap, Flextrode or Paste?

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The method of getting a good reading is a matter of choice

and the population you are working with.

I personally have use all the various methods and each has its plus and

minus.

For those who have used paste or Electrode Cap, you can get a great

impedance. With the former you have to prep, with Neuro Prep,

put on the paste and then clean up the scalp with alcohol. Then you

need to clean up the electrodes with soap and water. The time

it takes for each patient/client can vary from 5 minutes to 10

minutes. Using this method usually great impedance, yet it

still may take time

The Electrode Cap, you need to prep with Neuro Prep, put on the cap, add

the gel and after you need to clean up. This may take 5- 10 minutes

and often to get great impedance, especially for a Q may take 20

minutes.

The Flextrode cap along with the QDS Electro Cap, uses saline/baby

shampoo solution. Both have fixed holes where plastic rings and

fittings go in. Both get good impedance below 5, once you get the

knack of it with the right amount of solution. There is no prep and

virtually no cleanup. Takes about 4 minutes to set up and 2-3 sec

to take off. To clean up you use soap and water.

My Neuroband, uses the exact saline/baby shampoo solution.

There is no pre-prep and it takes 4 minutes to put on and 2 sec to take

off. To clean up you use soap and water. The Neuroband

does not have fixed hole, so it allow for more flexibility than the

.. The soft electrode pockets were especially designed for

scalp sensitivity and Alpha/Theta- O1/O2 ( sleep work) and

are more comfortable for Fp1/Fp2 training. The population I

work with have had severe trauma from abuse, brain injury, fibromyalgia,

chronic pain syndrome, thus need comfort and flexibility. The

impedance is consistently below 5 using the right electrode and amount of

solution.

So depending on upon the population and your needs any of the above will

do provide you with good readings.

Best Regards,

Diane

On 12/13/2007 7:52:37 PM, Steve Ranicki, DC (dr@...)

wrote:

> I have the Neuroband and find it to not be a very confidence

inspiring

> product. To achieve low impedance ratings I have to use enough

saline as

> to be taking a reading from a large part of the scalp. I would look

at a

> QDS cap.

>

> With Care,

>

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[Guest guest]

The method of getting a good reading is a matter of choice

and the population you are working with.

I personally have use all the various methods and each has its plus and

minus.

For those who have used paste or Electrode Cap, you can get a great

impedance. With the former you have to prep, with Neuro Prep,

put on the paste and then clean up the scalp with alcohol. Then you

need to clean up the electrodes with soap and water. The time

it takes for each patient/client can vary from 5 minutes to 10

minutes. Using this method usually great impedance, yet it

still may take time

The Electrode Cap, you need to prep with Neuro Prep, put on the cap, add

the gel and after you need to clean up. This may take 5- 10 minutes

and often to get great impedance, especially for a Q may take 20

minutes.

The Flextrode cap along with the QDS Electro Cap, uses saline/baby

shampoo solution. Both have fixed holes where plastic rings and

fittings go in. Both get good impedance below 5, once you get the

knack of it with the right amount of solution. There is no prep and

virtually no cleanup. Takes about 4 minutes to set up and 2-3 sec

to take off. To clean up you use soap and water.

My Neuroband, uses the exact saline/baby shampoo solution.

There is no pre-prep and it takes 4 minutes to put on and 2 sec to take

off. To clean up you use soap and water. The Neuroband

does not have fixed hole, so it allow for more flexibility than the

.. The soft electrode pockets were especially designed for

scalp sensitivity and Alpha/Theta- O1/O2 ( sleep work) and

are more comfortable for Fp1/Fp2 training. The population I

work with have had severe trauma from abuse, brain injury, fibromyalgia,

chronic pain syndrome, thus need comfort and flexibility. The

impedance is consistently below 5 using the right electrode and amount of

solution.

So depending on upon the population and your needs any of the above will

do provide you with good readings.

Best Regards,

Diane

On 12/13/2007 7:52:37 PM, Steve Ranicki, DC (dr@...)

wrote:

> I have the Neuroband and find it to not be a very confidence

inspiring

> product. To achieve low impedance ratings I have to use enough

saline as

> to be taking a reading from a large part of the scalp. I would look

at a

> QDS cap.

>

> With Care,

>

> Steve Ranicki, DC

> President

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>

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[Guest guest]

The method of getting a good reading is a matter of choice

and the population you are working with.

I personally have use all the various methods and each has its plus and

minus.

For those who have used paste or Electrode Cap, you can get a great

impedance. With the former you have to prep, with Neuro Prep,

put on the paste and then clean up the scalp with alcohol. Then you

need to clean up the electrodes with soap and water. The time

it takes for each patient/client can vary from 5 minutes to 10

minutes. Using this method usually great impedance, yet it

still may take time

The Electrode Cap, you need to prep with Neuro Prep, put on the cap, add

the gel and after you need to clean up. This may take 5- 10 minutes

and often to get great impedance, especially for a Q may take 20

minutes.

The Flextrode cap along with the QDS Electro Cap, uses saline/baby

shampoo solution. Both have fixed holes where plastic rings and

fittings go in. Both get good impedance below 5, once you get the

knack of it with the right amount of solution. There is no prep and

virtually no cleanup. Takes about 4 minutes to set up and 2-3 sec

to take off. To clean up you use soap and water.

My Neuroband, uses the exact saline/baby shampoo solution.

There is no pre-prep and it takes 4 minutes to put on and 2 sec to take

off. To clean up you use soap and water. The Neuroband

does not have fixed hole, so it allow for more flexibility than the

.. The soft electrode pockets were especially designed for

scalp sensitivity and Alpha/Theta- O1/O2 ( sleep work) and

are more comfortable for Fp1/Fp2 training. The population I

work with have had severe trauma from abuse, brain injury, fibromyalgia,

chronic pain syndrome, thus need comfort and flexibility. The

impedance is consistently below 5 using the right electrode and amount of

solution.

So depending on upon the population and your needs any of the above will

do provide you with good readings.

Best Regards,

Diane

On 12/13/2007 7:52:37 PM, Steve Ranicki, DC (dr@...)

wrote:

> I have the Neuroband and find it to not be a very confidence

inspiring

> product. To achieve low impedance ratings I have to use enough

saline as

> to be taking a reading from a large part of the scalp. I would look

at a

> QDS cap.

>

> With Care,

>

> Steve Ranicki, DC

> President

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[Guest guest]

Could you please tell us more about the right electrode and amount of

saline solution.

I have the neuroband and the impedances I obtained are much, much higher

than 5. I am using pure silver Grass electrodes and the saline solution

was made according to instructions posted by you on an email to one of

the neurofeedback groups.

Thank you,

Ulisses

Diane Stoler, Ed.D. wrote:

>

> The method of getting a good reading is a matter of choice and the

> population you are working with.

> I personally have use all the various methods and each has its plus

> and minus.

>

>

> For those who have used paste or Electrode Cap, you can get a great

> impedance. With the former you have to prep, with Neuro Prep, put on

> the paste and then clean up the scalp with alcohol. Then you need to

> clean up the electrodes with soap and water. The time it takes for

> each patient/client can vary from 5 minutes to 10 minutes. Using this

> method usually great impedance, yet it still may take time

>

> The Electrode Cap, you need to prep with Neuro Prep, put on the cap,

> add the gel and after you need to clean up. This may take 5- 10

> minutes and often to get great impedance, especially for a Q may take

> 20 minutes.

>

> The Flextrode cap along with the QDS Electro Cap, uses saline/baby

> shampoo solution. Both have fixed holes where plastic rings and

> fittings go in. Both get good impedance below 5, once you get the

> knack of it with the right amount of solution. There is no prep and

> virtually no cleanup. Takes about 4 minutes to set up and 2-3 sec to

> take off. To clean up you use soap and water.

>

> My Neuroband, uses the exact saline/baby shampoo solution. There is no

> pre-prep and it takes 4 minutes to put on and 2 sec to take off. To

> clean up you use soap and water. The Neuroband does not have fixed

> hole, so it allow for more flexibility than the . The soft electrode

> pockets were especially designed for scalp sensitivity and

> Alpha/Theta- O1/O2 ( sleep work) and are more comfortable for Fp1/Fp2

> training. The population I work with have had severe trauma from

> abuse, brain injury, fibromyalgia, chronic pain syndrome, thus need

> comfort and flexibility. The impedance is consistently below 5 using

> the right electrode and amount of solution.

>

> So depending on upon the population and your needs any of the above

> will do provide you with good readings.

>

> Best Regards,

>

> Diane

>

>

>

>

> On 12/13/2007 7:52:37 PM, Steve Ranicki, DC

> (dr@...) wrote:

> > I have the Neuroband and find it to not be a very confidence inspiring

> > product. To achieve low impedance ratings I have to use enough saline as

> > to be taking a reading from a large part of the scalp. I would look at a

> > QDS cap.

> >

> > With Care,

> >

> > Steve Ranicki, DC

> > President

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[Guest guest]

Could you please tell us more about the right electrode and amount of

saline solution.

I have the neuroband and the impedances I obtained are much, much higher

than 5. I am using pure silver Grass electrodes and the saline solution

was made according to instructions posted by you on an email to one of

the neurofeedback groups.

Thank you,

Ulisses

Diane Stoler, Ed.D. wrote:

>

> The method of getting a good reading is a matter of choice and the

> population you are working with.

> I personally have use all the various methods and each has its plus

> and minus.

>

>

> For those who have used paste or Electrode Cap, you can get a great

> impedance. With the former you have to prep, with Neuro Prep, put on

> the paste and then clean up the scalp with alcohol. Then you need to

> clean up the electrodes with soap and water. The time it takes for

> each patient/client can vary from 5 minutes to 10 minutes. Using this

> method usually great impedance, yet it still may take time

>

> The Electrode Cap, you need to prep with Neuro Prep, put on the cap,

> add the gel and after you need to clean up. This may take 5- 10

> minutes and often to get great impedance, especially for a Q may take

> 20 minutes.

>

> The Flextrode cap along with the QDS Electro Cap, uses saline/baby

> shampoo solution. Both have fixed holes where plastic rings and

> fittings go in. Both get good impedance below 5, once you get the

> knack of it with the right amount of solution. There is no prep and

> virtually no cleanup. Takes about 4 minutes to set up and 2-3 sec to

> take off. To clean up you use soap and water.

>

> My Neuroband, uses the exact saline/baby shampoo solution. There is no

> pre-prep and it takes 4 minutes to put on and 2 sec to take off. To

> clean up you use soap and water. The Neuroband does not have fixed

> hole, so it allow for more flexibility than the . The soft electrode

> pockets were especially designed for scalp sensitivity and

> Alpha/Theta- O1/O2 ( sleep work) and are more comfortable for Fp1/Fp2

> training. The population I work with have had severe trauma from

> abuse, brain injury, fibromyalgia, chronic pain syndrome, thus need

> comfort and flexibility. The impedance is consistently below 5 using

> the right electrode and amount of solution.

>

> So depending on upon the population and your needs any of the above

> will do provide you with good readings.

>

> Best Regards,

>

> Diane

>

>

>

>

> On 12/13/2007 7:52:37 PM, Steve Ranicki, DC

> (dr@...) wrote:

> > I have the Neuroband and find it to not be a very confidence inspiring

> > product. To achieve low impedance ratings I have to use enough saline as

> > to be taking a reading from a large part of the scalp. I would look at a

> > QDS cap.

> >

> > With Care,

> >

> > Steve Ranicki, DC

> > President

> > Ranicki Chiropractic Wellness Center, PC

> >

> > www.ranickichiropractic.com

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[Guest guest]

Could you please tell us more about the right electrode and amount of

saline solution.

I have the neuroband and the impedances I obtained are much, much higher

than 5. I am using pure silver Grass electrodes and the saline solution

was made according to instructions posted by you on an email to one of

the neurofeedback groups.

Thank you,

Ulisses

Diane Stoler, Ed.D. wrote:

>

> The method of getting a good reading is a matter of choice and the

> population you are working with.

> I personally have use all the various methods and each has its plus

> and minus.

>

>

> For those who have used paste or Electrode Cap, you can get a great

> impedance. With the former you have to prep, with Neuro Prep, put on

> the paste and then clean up the scalp with alcohol. Then you need to

> clean up the electrodes with soap and water. The time it takes for

> each patient/client can vary from 5 minutes to 10 minutes. Using this

> method usually great impedance, yet it still may take time

>

> The Electrode Cap, you need to prep with Neuro Prep, put on the cap,

> add the gel and after you need to clean up. This may take 5- 10

> minutes and often to get great impedance, especially for a Q may take

> 20 minutes.

>

> The Flextrode cap along with the QDS Electro Cap, uses saline/baby

> shampoo solution. Both have fixed holes where plastic rings and

> fittings go in. Both get good impedance below 5, once you get the

> knack of it with the right amount of solution. There is no prep and

> virtually no cleanup. Takes about 4 minutes to set up and 2-3 sec to

> take off. To clean up you use soap and water.

>

> My Neuroband, uses the exact saline/baby shampoo solution. There is no

> pre-prep and it takes 4 minutes to put on and 2 sec to take off. To

> clean up you use soap and water. The Neuroband does not have fixed

> hole, so it allow for more flexibility than the . The soft electrode

> pockets were especially designed for scalp sensitivity and

> Alpha/Theta- O1/O2 ( sleep work) and are more comfortable for Fp1/Fp2

> training. The population I work with have had severe trauma from

> abuse, brain injury, fibromyalgia, chronic pain syndrome, thus need

> comfort and flexibility. The impedance is consistently below 5 using

> the right electrode and amount of solution.

>

> So depending on upon the population and your needs any of the above

> will do provide you with good readings.

>

> Best Regards,

>

> Diane

>

>

>

>

> On 12/13/2007 7:52:37 PM, Steve Ranicki, DC

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> > to be taking a reading from a large part of the scalp. I would look at a

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[Guest guest]

Hi Ulisses,

I use the Brain Master Atlantis 4x4 , the Brain Master wideband 2E, along

with Brain Inquiry.

The 4x4 has a cable and shorter length 18'' electrodes, while the Brain

Master wideband 2E uses longer 24-30 " " long electrodes.

The type...silver, gold or tin do not seem to make a difference.

What I did notice if I put the longer wires on the 4x4 it does not give

the same reading. When I tried recently on the Othmer new amp

the longer ones worked better when I braided the wires, which is what I

do for the Brain Master 2E. Braiding the wires seem to bring

down the impedance. As for the Brain Inquiry, this has an

active lead and use the snap version.

As for the solution, you need a quality saline solution, such as Bausch

& Lomb, rather than CVS or making your own. I have noticed a

difference there. As for Baby Shampoo I use &

. So, as you gather I noticed difference

too. I found this was true with the other 2 products that use

saline solutions and the length of the wire and type of solution, so it

isn't my product rather than these other issues stated above. As

mentioned in my previous posting, their products work. Why I

developed the Neuroband was because of the specific population I work

with and the other products were uncomfortable to painful to my patients

and it allow more flexibility of placement than pre punctured holes.

Have you tried the other products that use saline? Did find them

better? I always like feedback to make mine better.

Happy Holidays.

Diane

> Could you please tell us more about the right electrode and amount

of

> saline solution.

>

> I have the neuroband and the impedances I obtained are much, much

higher

> than 5. I am using pure silver Grass electrodes and the saline

solution

> was made according to instructions posted by you on an email to one

of

> the neurofeedback groups.

>

> Thank you,

>

> Ulisses

>

>

> Diane Stoler, Ed.D. wrote:

> >

> > The method of getting a good reading is a matter of choice and

the

> > population you are working with.

> > I personally have use all the various methods and each has its

plus

> > and minus.

> >

> >

> > For those who have used paste or Electrode Cap, you can get a

great

> > impedance. With the former you have to prep, with Neuro Prep,

put on

> > the paste and then clean up the scalp with alcohol. Then you

need to

> > clean up the electrodes with soap and water. The time it takes

for

> > each patient/client can vary from 5 minutes to 10 minutes.

Using this

> > method usually great impedance, yet it still may take time

> >

> > The Electrode Cap, you need to prep with Neuro Prep, put on

the

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Catalyst for Change® - A neuropsychologist who works with

individuals and organizations worldwide, to help them find Solutions

and Resources® to overcome life’s challenges and reach their

goals.

[Guest guest]

Out of curiosity, how is the QDS ElectroCap any different than the flextrode

system? I'm mostly thinking of the plastic ring & twist-in mechanism that the

electrode is placed in - looks just like a flextrode to me.

---- " Diane Stoler wrote:

> Hi Ulisses,

>

> I use the Brain Master Atlantis 4x4 , the Brain

> Master wideband 2E, along with Brain Inquiry.

>

> The 4x4 has a cable and shorter length 18''

> electrodes, while the Brain Master wideband 2E

> uses longer 24-30 " " long electrodes. The

> type...silver, gold or tin do not seem to make a

> difference. What I did notice if I put the

> longer wires on the 4x4 it does not give the same

> reading. When I tried recently on the Othmer

> new amp the longer ones worked better when I

> braided the wires, which is what I do for the

> Brain Master 2E. Braiding the wires seem to

> bring down the impedance. As for the Brain

> Inquiry, this has an active lead and use the snap version.

>

> As for the solution, you need a quality saline

> solution, such as Bausch & Lomb, rather than CVS

> or making your own. I have noticed a difference

> there. As for Baby Shampoo I use &

> . So, as you gather I noticed difference

> too. I found this was true with the other 2

> products that use saline solutions and the length

> of the wire and type of solution, so it isn't my

> product rather than these other issues stated

> above. As mentioned in my previous posting,

> their products work. Why I developed the

> Neuroband was because of the specific population

> I work with and the other products were

> uncomfortable to painful to my patients and it

> allow more flexibility of placement than pre punctured holes.

>

> Have you tried the other products that use

> saline? Did find them better? I always like feedback to make mine better.

>

> Happy Holidays.

>

> Diane

>

>

>

> > Could you please tell us more about the right electrode and amount of

> > saline solution.

> >

> > I have the neuroband and the impedances I obtained are much, much higher

> > than 5. I am using pure silver Grass electrodes and the saline solution

> > was made according to instructions posted by you on an email to one of

> > the neurofeedback groups.

> >

> > Thank you,

> >

> > Ulisses

> >

> >

> > Diane Stoler, Ed.D. wrote:

> > >

> > > The method of getting a good reading is a matter of choice and the

> > > population you are working with.

> > > I personally have use all the various methods and each has its plus

> > > and minus.

> > >

> > >

> > > For those who have used paste or Electrode Cap, you can get a great

> > > impedance. With the former you have to prep, with Neuro Prep, put on

> > > the paste and then clean up the scalp with alcohol. Then you need to

> > > clean up the electrodes with soap and water. The time it takes for

> > > each patient/client can vary from 5 minutes to 10 minutes. Using this

> > > method usually great impedance, yet it still may take time

> > >

> > > The Electrode Cap, you need to prep with Neuro Prep, put on the

>

>

> Dr. Diane Stoler, Ed.D., LLC

> P.O. Box 148

> town, MA 01833

>

> Toll Free in US

> Direct Dial

>

>

> For information on how to obtain

>

> " Coping with Mild Traumatic Brain Injury:

> A Guide to Living with the Challenges Associated

> with Concussion/ Brain Injury "

> Click the link below

> <http://www.drdiane.com>

>

> Neuroband: For the Professional and Home User of Neurofeedback equipment:

> Clink the link below

> http://www.drdiane.com/neuroband_order.html

>

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>

> <http://www.drdiane.com>Dr. Diane ~ Catalyst for

> Change® - A neuropsychologist who works with

> individuals and organizations worldwide, to help

> them find Solutions and Resources® to overcome

> lifeÂ’s challenges and reach their goals.

[Guest guest]

Out of curiosity, how is the QDS ElectroCap any different than the flextrode

system? I'm mostly thinking of the plastic ring & twist-in mechanism that the

electrode is placed in - looks just like a flextrode to me.

---- " Diane Stoler wrote:

> Hi Ulisses,

>

> I use the Brain Master Atlantis 4x4 , the Brain

> Master wideband 2E, along with Brain Inquiry.

>

> The 4x4 has a cable and shorter length 18''

> electrodes, while the Brain Master wideband 2E

> uses longer 24-30 " " long electrodes. The

> type...silver, gold or tin do not seem to make a

> difference. What I did notice if I put the

> longer wires on the 4x4 it does not give the same

> reading. When I tried recently on the Othmer

> new amp the longer ones worked better when I

> braided the wires, which is what I do for the

> Brain Master 2E. Braiding the wires seem to

> bring down the impedance. As for the Brain

> Inquiry, this has an active lead and use the snap version.

>

> As for the solution, you need a quality saline

> solution, such as Bausch & Lomb, rather than CVS

> or making your own. I have noticed a difference

> there. As for Baby Shampoo I use &

> . So, as you gather I noticed difference

> too. I found this was true with the other 2

> products that use saline solutions and the length

> of the wire and type of solution, so it isn't my

> product rather than these other issues stated

> above. As mentioned in my previous posting,

> their products work. Why I developed the

> Neuroband was because of the specific population

> I work with and the other products were

> uncomfortable to painful to my patients and it

> allow more flexibility of placement than pre punctured holes.

>

> Have you tried the other products that use

> saline? Did find them better? I always like feedback to make mine better.

>

> Happy Holidays.

>

> Diane

>

>

>

> > Could you please tell us more about the right electrode and amount of

> > saline solution.

> >

> > I have the neuroband and the impedances I obtained are much, much higher

> > than 5. I am using pure silver Grass electrodes and the saline solution

> > was made according to instructions posted by you on an email to one of

> > the neurofeedback groups.

> >

> > Thank you,

> >

> > Ulisses

> >

> >

> > Diane Stoler, Ed.D. wrote:

> > >

> > > The method of getting a good reading is a matter of choice and the

> > > population you are working with.

> > > I personally have use all the various methods and each has its plus

> > > and minus.

> > >

> > >

> > > For those who have used paste or Electrode Cap, you can get a great

> > > impedance. With the former you have to prep, with Neuro Prep, put on

> > > the paste and then clean up the scalp with alcohol. Then you need to

> > > clean up the electrodes with soap and water. The time it takes for

> > > each patient/client can vary from 5 minutes to 10 minutes. Using this

> > > method usually great impedance, yet it still may take time

> > >

> > > The Electrode Cap, you need to prep with Neuro Prep, put on the

>

>

> Dr. Diane Stoler, Ed.D., LLC

> P.O. Box 148

> town, MA 01833

>

> Toll Free in US

> Direct Dial

>

>

> For information on how to obtain

>

> " Coping with Mild Traumatic Brain Injury:

> A Guide to Living with the Challenges Associated

> with Concussion/ Brain Injury "

> Click the link below

> <http://www.drdiane.com>

>

> Neuroband: For the Professional and Home User of Neurofeedback equipment:

> Clink the link below

> http://www.drdiane.com/neuroband_order.html

>

> Confidentiality:

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> Lafayette Counseling Center, LLC for personal

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> <http://www.drdiane.com>Dr. Diane ~ Catalyst for

> Change® - A neuropsychologist who works with

> individuals and organizations worldwide, to help

> them find Solutions and Resources® to overcome

> lifeÂ’s challenges and reach their goals.

[Guest guest]

Out of curiosity, how is the QDS ElectroCap any different than the flextrode

system? I'm mostly thinking of the plastic ring & twist-in mechanism that the

electrode is placed in - looks just like a flextrode to me.

---- " Diane Stoler wrote:

> Hi Ulisses,

>

> I use the Brain Master Atlantis 4x4 , the Brain

> Master wideband 2E, along with Brain Inquiry.

>

> The 4x4 has a cable and shorter length 18''

> electrodes, while the Brain Master wideband 2E

> uses longer 24-30 " " long electrodes. The

> type...silver, gold or tin do not seem to make a

> difference. What I did notice if I put the

> longer wires on the 4x4 it does not give the same

> reading. When I tried recently on the Othmer

> new amp the longer ones worked better when I

> braided the wires, which is what I do for the

> Brain Master 2E. Braiding the wires seem to

> bring down the impedance. As for the Brain

> Inquiry, this has an active lead and use the snap version.

>

> As for the solution, you need a quality saline

> solution, such as Bausch & Lomb, rather than CVS

> or making your own. I have noticed a difference

> there. As for Baby Shampoo I use &

> . So, as you gather I noticed difference

> too. I found this was true with the other 2

> products that use saline solutions and the length

> of the wire and type of solution, so it isn't my

> product rather than these other issues stated

> above. As mentioned in my previous posting,

> their products work. Why I developed the

> Neuroband was because of the specific population

> I work with and the other products were

> uncomfortable to painful to my patients and it

> allow more flexibility of placement than pre punctured holes.

>

> Have you tried the other products that use

> saline? Did find them better? I always like feedback to make mine better.

>

> Happy Holidays.

>

> Diane

>

>

>

> > Could you please tell us more about the right electrode and amount of

> > saline solution.

> >

> > I have the neuroband and the impedances I obtained are much, much higher

> > than 5. I am using pure silver Grass electrodes and the saline solution

> > was made according to instructions posted by you on an email to one of

> > the neurofeedback groups.

> >

> > Thank you,

> >

> > Ulisses

> >

> >

> > Diane Stoler, Ed.D. wrote:

> > >

> > > The method of getting a good reading is a matter of choice and the

> > > population you are working with.

> > > I personally have use all the various methods and each has its plus

> > > and minus.

> > >

> > >

> > > For those who have used paste or Electrode Cap, you can get a great

> > > impedance. With the former you have to prep, with Neuro Prep, put on

> > > the paste and then clean up the scalp with alcohol. Then you need to

> > > clean up the electrodes with soap and water. The time it takes for

> > > each patient/client can vary from 5 minutes to 10 minutes. Using this

> > > method usually great impedance, yet it still may take time

> > >

> > > The Electrode Cap, you need to prep with Neuro Prep, put on the

>

>

> Dr. Diane Stoler, Ed.D., LLC

> P.O. Box 148

> town, MA 01833

>

> Toll Free in US

> Direct Dial

>

>

> For information on how to obtain

>

> " Coping with Mild Traumatic Brain Injury:

> A Guide to Living with the Challenges Associated

> with Concussion/ Brain Injury "

> Click the link below

> <http://www.drdiane.com>

>

> Neuroband: For the Professional and Home User of Neurofeedback equipment:

> Clink the link below

> http://www.drdiane.com/neuroband_order.html

>

> Confidentiality:

>

> This electronic message (E-mail) and any files

> attached hereto contain confidential, legally

> privileged and protected by copyright. If you

> are not the intended recipient, dissemination or

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> have received this in error, please notify the

> sender by telephone or replying by

> E-mail to info@..., then delete the

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>

> This E-mail and any attachments have been scanned

> for viruses, but it is the responsibility of the

> recipient to conduct their own security measures

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> Stoler, Ed,D. , LLC d/b/a -Dr. Diane

> and/or Lafayette Counseling Center, LLC for loss

> or damage from receipt or use of this E-mail.

>

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> Stoler, Ed.D., LLC d/b/a-Dr. Diane and/or

> Lafayette Counseling Center, LLC for personal

> E-mails, or E-mails unconnected with Dr. Diane

> Stoler, Ed.D, LLC patients' or client business.

>

> <http://www.drdiane.com>Dr. Diane ~ Catalyst for

> Change® - A neuropsychologist who works with

> individuals and organizations worldwide, to help

> them find Solutions and Resources® to overcome

> lifeÂ’s challenges and reach their goals.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

There are not much different. There is a ring and the

electrode is placed in the other part, which screws into it. I

owned all of them...not the most recent one of the QDS I own the previous

one. It too had the plastic electrode holder.

Diane

> Out of curiosity, how is the QDS ElectroCap any different than

the

> flextrode system?

> I'm mostly thinking of the plastic ring

Dr. Diane Stoler, Ed.D., LLC

P.O. Box 148

town, MA 01833

Toll Free in US

Direct Dial

For information on how to obtain

" Coping with Mild Traumatic Brain Injury:

A Guide to Living with the Challenges Associated with Concussion/

Brain Injury "

Click the link below

<http://

www.drdiane.com

>

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Hi ,

There are not much different. There is a ring and the

electrode is placed in the other part, which screws into it. I

owned all of them...not the most recent one of the QDS I own the previous

one. It too had the plastic electrode holder.

Diane

> Out of curiosity, how is the QDS ElectroCap any different than

the

> flextrode system?

> I'm mostly thinking of the plastic ring

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" Coping with Mild Traumatic Brain Injury:

A Guide to Living with the Challenges Associated with Concussion/

Brain Injury "

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>

Neuroband:

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

There are not much different. There is a ring and the

electrode is placed in the other part, which screws into it. I

owned all of them...not the most recent one of the QDS I own the previous

one. It too had the plastic electrode holder.

Diane

> Out of curiosity, how is the QDS ElectroCap any different than

the

> flextrode system?

> I'm mostly thinking of the plastic ring

Dr. Diane Stoler, Ed.D., LLC

P.O. Box 148

town, MA 01833

Toll Free in US

Direct Dial

For information on how to obtain

" Coping with Mild Traumatic Brain Injury:

A Guide to Living with the Challenges Associated with Concussion/

Brain Injury "

Click the link below

<http://

www.drdiane.com

>

Neuroband:

For the Professional and Home User of

Neurofeedback equipment:

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and Resources® to overcome life’s challenges and reach their

goals.

[Guest guest]

,The new QDS cap is more like the optimit cap but more heavy duty.  Comes in several sizes, is elastic, and has holes for the plastic rings.On Dec 14, 2007, at 9:29 PM, Diane Stoler, Ed.D. wrote: Hi , There are not much different.   There is a ring and the electrode is placed in the other part, which screws into it.  I owned all of them...not the most recent one of the QDS I own the previous one.  It too had the plastic electrode holder.   Diane > Out of curiosity, how is the QDS ElectroCap any different than the > flextrode system? > I'm mostly thinking of the plastic ring Dr. Diane Stoler, Ed.D., LLC P.O. Box 148 town, MA 01833 Toll Free in US  Direct Dial     For information on how to obtain " Coping with Mild Traumatic Brain Injury: A  Guide to Living with the Challenges Associated with Concussion/ Brain Injury" Click the link below <http:// www.drdiane.com > Neuroband:  For the Professional and Home User of Neurofeedback equipment: Clink the link below http://www.drdiane.com/neuroband_order.html Confidentiality: This electronic message (E-mail)  and any files attached hereto contain  confidential, legally privileged and protected by copyright.  If you are not the intended recipient, dissemination or copying of this E-mail  is prohibited.  If you have received this in error, please notify the sender by  telephone or replying by E-mail to info@..., then delete the E-mail completely from your system. This E-mail and any attachments have been scanned for viruses, but it is the responsibility of the recipient to conduct their own security measures and no responsibility is accepted by Dr. Diane Stoler, Ed,D. , LLC d/b/a -Dr. Diane and/or Lafayette Counseling Center, LLC for loss or damage from receipt or use of this E-mail.  No responsibility is accepted by Dr. Diane Stoler, Ed.D., LLC d/b/a-Dr. Diane and/or Lafayette Counseling Center, LLC for personal E-mails, or E-mails unconnected with Dr. Diane Stoler, Ed.D, LLC  patients' or client business. Dr. Diane ~ Catalyst for Change® - A neuropsychologist who works with individuals and organizations worldwide, to help them find Solutions and Resources® to overcome life’s challenges and reach their goals.

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[Guest guest]

,The new QDS cap is more like the optimit cap but more heavy duty.  Comes in several sizes, is elastic, and has holes for the plastic rings.On Dec 14, 2007, at 9:29 PM, Diane Stoler, Ed.D. wrote: Hi , There are not much different.   There is a ring and the electrode is placed in the other part, which screws into it.  I owned all of them...not the most recent one of the QDS I own the previous one.  It too had the plastic electrode holder.   Diane > Out of curiosity, how is the QDS ElectroCap any different than the > flextrode system? > I'm mostly thinking of the plastic ring Dr. Diane Stoler, Ed.D., LLC P.O. Box 148 town, MA 01833 Toll Free in US  Direct Dial     For information on how to obtain " Coping with Mild Traumatic Brain Injury: A  Guide to Living with the Challenges Associated with Concussion/ Brain Injury" Click the link below <http:// www.drdiane.com > Neuroband:  For the Professional and Home User of Neurofeedback equipment: Clink the link below http://www.drdiane.com/neuroband_order.html Confidentiality: This electronic message (E-mail)  and any files attached hereto contain  confidential, legally privileged and protected by copyright.  If you are not the intended recipient, dissemination or copying of this E-mail  is prohibited.  If you have received this in error, please notify the sender by  telephone or replying by E-mail to info@..., then delete the E-mail completely from your system. This E-mail and any attachments have been scanned for viruses, but it is the responsibility of the recipient to conduct their own security measures and no responsibility is accepted by Dr. Diane Stoler, Ed,D. , LLC d/b/a -Dr. Diane and/or Lafayette Counseling Center, LLC for loss or damage from receipt or use of this E-mail.  No responsibility is accepted by Dr. Diane Stoler, Ed.D., LLC d/b/a-Dr. Diane and/or Lafayette Counseling Center, LLC for personal E-mails, or E-mails unconnected with Dr. Diane Stoler, Ed.D, LLC  patients' or client business. Dr. Diane ~ Catalyst for Change® - A neuropsychologist who works with individuals and organizations worldwide, to help them find Solutions and Resources® to overcome life’s challenges and reach their goals.

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[Guest guest]

,The new QDS cap is more like the optimit cap but more heavy duty.  Comes in several sizes, is elastic, and has holes for the plastic rings.On Dec 14, 2007, at 9:29 PM, Diane Stoler, Ed.D. wrote: Hi , There are not much different.   There is a ring and the electrode is placed in the other part, which screws into it.  I owned all of them...not the most recent one of the QDS I own the previous one.  It too had the plastic electrode holder.   Diane > Out of curiosity, how is the QDS ElectroCap any different than the > flextrode system? > I'm mostly thinking of the plastic ring Dr. Diane Stoler, Ed.D., LLC P.O. Box 148 town, MA 01833 Toll Free in US  Direct Dial     For information on how to obtain " Coping with Mild Traumatic Brain Injury: A  Guide to Living with the Challenges Associated with Concussion/ Brain Injury" Click the link below <http:// www.drdiane.com > Neuroband:  For the Professional and Home User of Neurofeedback equipment: Clink the link below http://www.drdiane.com/neuroband_order.html Confidentiality: This electronic message (E-mail)  and any files attached hereto contain  confidential, legally privileged and protected by copyright.  If you are not the intended recipient, dissemination or copying of this E-mail  is prohibited.  If you have received this in error, please notify the sender by  telephone or replying by E-mail to info@..., then delete the E-mail completely from your system. This E-mail and any attachments have been scanned for viruses, but it is the responsibility of the recipient to conduct their own security measures and no responsibility is accepted by Dr. Diane Stoler, Ed,D. , LLC d/b/a -Dr. Diane and/or Lafayette Counseling Center, LLC for loss or damage from receipt or use of this E-mail.  No responsibility is accepted by Dr. Diane Stoler, Ed.D., LLC d/b/a-Dr. Diane and/or Lafayette Counseling Center, LLC for personal E-mails, or E-mails unconnected with Dr. Diane Stoler, Ed.D, LLC  patients' or client business. Dr. Diane ~ Catalyst for Change® - A neuropsychologist who works with individuals and organizations worldwide, to help them find Solutions and Resources® to overcome life’s challenges and reach their goals.

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