Re: where to go from here?

[Guest guest]

Actually, I'm using a prescribed compounded progesterone cream from

W.I. so I know it's a good one. I thought it took awhile for the

progesterone to build up before it started converting to estrogen?

[Guest guest]

Actually, I'm using a prescribed compounded progesterone cream from

W.I. so I know it's a good one. I thought it took awhile for the

progesterone to build up before it started converting to estrogen?

[Guest guest]

Maybe that's the doctor who thinks the uterus is up where the thyroid

is and the thyroid is up in the brain somewhere -- no wonder she

needs another uterus -- she can't find her's! Haha~

> Hehe!

>

>

> RE: Re: where to go from here?

>

>

> Actually, one of them IS a woman! Maybe she feels she needs

two?? (LOL)

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>

>

> Janet

[Guest guest]

I'm using Serati's Progesterone Cream, U.S.P., and I know it's doing some things for me, as in my sleep pattern is better, with deeper more rested sleep. I can't make claims, though, that it's making me feel 21 again, and I don't think ANYthing can do that, including Armour Thyroid. I think it would take the Rapture for that, in my opinion, lol. If it's not U.S.P., then it's not absorbable through the skin into the bloodstream. Mine is. This is something that doesn't take a doc's prescription to work.

Re: Re: where to go from here?

Progesterone can convert to estrogen.

Also, if you are using an over the counter progesterone cream, there is no telling what all is really in it.

[Guest guest]

Wish I knew exactly which sources to go to, but you can google it yourself,

if you'd like. Estrogen is tissue growth proliferative, and progesterone is

the opposite of this. It goes further to say that progesterone is the check

and balance for it. Pregnant women are high in progesterone. It is the

lack of progesterone that causes the very heavy uterine bleeding, even

though estrogen is also lowered around the period, before it starts. It

really is a more intricate explanation than that, as it's obvious that both

of these hormones are fairly low at the same time, before that phase starts.

I can tell you that a doctor found that, during all the prolonged months of

my heavy bleeding, I still had plenty of estrogen (though lower at the time

of the period), but was making absolutely no progesterone, and this was at

the age of 32 to 33. The uterine fibroids caused the bleeding (fast

cellular proliferation, due to unbridled action of estrogen), and there was

nothing to stop the tissue growth (progesterone). Mine was documented very

heavily, and I still don't make any progesterone to this day. Well, it

WOULD be a slower production, since I'm 53 yrs old, yet it shouldn't have

been totally nonexistent at such a young age for very prolonged yrs. It is

the progesterone production that drops first, sometimes as young as the

twenties, for some women. This unbridled estrogen action is an absolutely

proven vexor of the thyroid hormones, no question about it. The info is

everywhere you look. It's not a matter of having too muc estrogen in the

body, it's a matter of having nothing to deregulate it, even in small minute

amts.

Re: where to go from here?

>

> I just wish someone could explain to me why high estrogen is purportedly

the

> problem whenever one suffers symptoms most typically experienced during

the

> low estrogen and high progesterone half of our cycle. The period starts

at

> all only when estrogen dips low enough and progesterone rises high enough

to

> trigger it. Water retention, cramping, heavy bleeding, sore breasts etc -

> these are common during the low estrogen /high progesterone phase of the

> cycle and nowhere to be seen during the high estrogen/low progesterone

half

> of the cycle.

> ALSO the 'estrogen dominance' theory is supposed to affect primarily women

> moving into the period of our lives CLINICALLY DEFINED by the drop in

> estrogen production - a drop not mirrored by a drop in progesterone levels

> for another ten years or so. I read the man's book and it makes sense

> unless you consider the above. He has a theory and it very far from

proven,

> in my opinion. Having said that, I do not doubt for one instant that

there

> are women who can be helped by progesterone therapy. For most of us, I

> doubt it.

> I also went on a true progesterone cream to correct premenopausal

symptoms -

> and I battled hypoglycemia and persistent fatigue for almost a year

> afterward. It took a LONG time to correct the damage. Another thing to

> consider is that in my case, anyway, it looks as if my body was using up

> it's estrogen because it wasn't getting enough thyroid hormone. I only

know

> that I felt better when I finally went on estradiol (low dose) but even

> better still on Armour - when I was able to drop the estradiol altogether.

> Terijo

[Guest guest]

Wish I knew exactly which sources to go to, but you can google it yourself,

if you'd like. Estrogen is tissue growth proliferative, and progesterone is

the opposite of this. It goes further to say that progesterone is the check

and balance for it. Pregnant women are high in progesterone. It is the

lack of progesterone that causes the very heavy uterine bleeding, even

though estrogen is also lowered around the period, before it starts. It

really is a more intricate explanation than that, as it's obvious that both

of these hormones are fairly low at the same time, before that phase starts.

I can tell you that a doctor found that, during all the prolonged months of

my heavy bleeding, I still had plenty of estrogen (though lower at the time

of the period), but was making absolutely no progesterone, and this was at

the age of 32 to 33. The uterine fibroids caused the bleeding (fast

cellular proliferation, due to unbridled action of estrogen), and there was

nothing to stop the tissue growth (progesterone). Mine was documented very

heavily, and I still don't make any progesterone to this day. Well, it

WOULD be a slower production, since I'm 53 yrs old, yet it shouldn't have

been totally nonexistent at such a young age for very prolonged yrs. It is

the progesterone production that drops first, sometimes as young as the

twenties, for some women. This unbridled estrogen action is an absolutely

proven vexor of the thyroid hormones, no question about it. The info is

everywhere you look. It's not a matter of having too muc estrogen in the

body, it's a matter of having nothing to deregulate it, even in small minute

amts.

Re: where to go from here?

>

> I just wish someone could explain to me why high estrogen is purportedly

the

> problem whenever one suffers symptoms most typically experienced during

the

> low estrogen and high progesterone half of our cycle. The period starts

at

> all only when estrogen dips low enough and progesterone rises high enough

to

> trigger it. Water retention, cramping, heavy bleeding, sore breasts etc -

> these are common during the low estrogen /high progesterone phase of the

> cycle and nowhere to be seen during the high estrogen/low progesterone

half

> of the cycle.

> ALSO the 'estrogen dominance' theory is supposed to affect primarily women

> moving into the period of our lives CLINICALLY DEFINED by the drop in

> estrogen production - a drop not mirrored by a drop in progesterone levels

> for another ten years or so. I read the man's book and it makes sense

> unless you consider the above. He has a theory and it very far from

proven,

> in my opinion. Having said that, I do not doubt for one instant that

there

> are women who can be helped by progesterone therapy. For most of us, I

> doubt it.

> I also went on a true progesterone cream to correct premenopausal

symptoms -

> and I battled hypoglycemia and persistent fatigue for almost a year

> afterward. It took a LONG time to correct the damage. Another thing to

> consider is that in my case, anyway, it looks as if my body was using up

> it's estrogen because it wasn't getting enough thyroid hormone. I only

know

> that I felt better when I finally went on estradiol (low dose) but even

> better still on Armour - when I was able to drop the estradiol altogether.

> Terijo

[Guest guest]

Wish I knew exactly which sources to go to, but you can google it yourself,

if you'd like. Estrogen is tissue growth proliferative, and progesterone is

the opposite of this. It goes further to say that progesterone is the check

and balance for it. Pregnant women are high in progesterone. It is the

lack of progesterone that causes the very heavy uterine bleeding, even

though estrogen is also lowered around the period, before it starts. It

really is a more intricate explanation than that, as it's obvious that both

of these hormones are fairly low at the same time, before that phase starts.

I can tell you that a doctor found that, during all the prolonged months of

my heavy bleeding, I still had plenty of estrogen (though lower at the time

of the period), but was making absolutely no progesterone, and this was at

the age of 32 to 33. The uterine fibroids caused the bleeding (fast

cellular proliferation, due to unbridled action of estrogen), and there was

nothing to stop the tissue growth (progesterone). Mine was documented very

heavily, and I still don't make any progesterone to this day. Well, it

WOULD be a slower production, since I'm 53 yrs old, yet it shouldn't have

been totally nonexistent at such a young age for very prolonged yrs. It is

the progesterone production that drops first, sometimes as young as the

twenties, for some women. This unbridled estrogen action is an absolutely

proven vexor of the thyroid hormones, no question about it. The info is

everywhere you look. It's not a matter of having too muc estrogen in the

body, it's a matter of having nothing to deregulate it, even in small minute

amts.

Re: where to go from here?

>

> I just wish someone could explain to me why high estrogen is purportedly

the

> problem whenever one suffers symptoms most typically experienced during

the

> low estrogen and high progesterone half of our cycle. The period starts

at

> all only when estrogen dips low enough and progesterone rises high enough

to

> trigger it. Water retention, cramping, heavy bleeding, sore breasts etc -

> these are common during the low estrogen /high progesterone phase of the

> cycle and nowhere to be seen during the high estrogen/low progesterone

half

> of the cycle.

> ALSO the 'estrogen dominance' theory is supposed to affect primarily women

> moving into the period of our lives CLINICALLY DEFINED by the drop in

> estrogen production - a drop not mirrored by a drop in progesterone levels

> for another ten years or so. I read the man's book and it makes sense

> unless you consider the above. He has a theory and it very far from

proven,

> in my opinion. Having said that, I do not doubt for one instant that

there

> are women who can be helped by progesterone therapy. For most of us, I

> doubt it.

> I also went on a true progesterone cream to correct premenopausal

symptoms -

> and I battled hypoglycemia and persistent fatigue for almost a year

> afterward. It took a LONG time to correct the damage. Another thing to

> consider is that in my case, anyway, it looks as if my body was using up

> it's estrogen because it wasn't getting enough thyroid hormone. I only

know

> that I felt better when I finally went on estradiol (low dose) but even

> better still on Armour - when I was able to drop the estradiol altogether.

> Terijo

[Guest guest]

Wish I knew exactly which sources to go to, but you can google it yourself,

if you'd like. Estrogen is tissue growth proliferative, and progesterone is

the opposite of this. It goes further to say that progesterone is the check

and balance for it. Pregnant women are high in progesterone. It is the

lack of progesterone that causes the very heavy uterine bleeding, even

though estrogen is also lowered around the period, before it starts. It

really is a more intricate explanation than that, as it's obvious that both

of these hormones are fairly low at the same time, before that phase starts.

I can tell you that a doctor found that, during all the prolonged months of

my heavy bleeding, I still had plenty of estrogen (though lower at the time

of the period), but was making absolutely no progesterone, and this was at

the age of 32 to 33. The uterine fibroids caused the bleeding (fast

cellular proliferation, due to unbridled action of estrogen), and there was

nothing to stop the tissue growth (progesterone). Mine was documented very

heavily, and I still don't make any progesterone to this day. Well, it

WOULD be a slower production, since I'm 53 yrs old, yet it shouldn't have

been totally nonexistent at such a young age for very prolonged yrs. It is

the progesterone production that drops first, sometimes as young as the

twenties, for some women. This unbridled estrogen action is an absolutely

proven vexor of the thyroid hormones, no question about it. The info is

everywhere you look. It's not a matter of having too muc estrogen in the

body, it's a matter of having nothing to deregulate it, even in small minute

amts.

Re: where to go from here?

>

> I just wish someone could explain to me why high estrogen is purportedly

the

> problem whenever one suffers symptoms most typically experienced during

the

> low estrogen and high progesterone half of our cycle. The period starts

at

> all only when estrogen dips low enough and progesterone rises high enough

to

> trigger it. Water retention, cramping, heavy bleeding, sore breasts etc -

> these are common during the low estrogen /high progesterone phase of the

> cycle and nowhere to be seen during the high estrogen/low progesterone

half

> of the cycle.

> ALSO the 'estrogen dominance' theory is supposed to affect primarily women

> moving into the period of our lives CLINICALLY DEFINED by the drop in

> estrogen production - a drop not mirrored by a drop in progesterone levels

> for another ten years or so. I read the man's book and it makes sense

> unless you consider the above. He has a theory and it very far from

proven,

> in my opinion. Having said that, I do not doubt for one instant that

there

> are women who can be helped by progesterone therapy. For most of us, I

> doubt it.

> I also went on a true progesterone cream to correct premenopausal

symptoms -

> and I battled hypoglycemia and persistent fatigue for almost a year

> afterward. It took a LONG time to correct the damage. Another thing to

> consider is that in my case, anyway, it looks as if my body was using up

> it's estrogen because it wasn't getting enough thyroid hormone. I only

know

> that I felt better when I finally went on estradiol (low dose) but even

> better still on Armour - when I was able to drop the estradiol altogether.

> Terijo

[Guest guest]

There are many links like this one, but it does show that BOTH estrogen and

progesterone are very high during the follicular phase of the cycle, while

these events are going on. It is progesterone that causes the release of

glycogen, among other events it causes, but estrogen is also very high at

this time. They BOTH are high, but both begin to decrease before the

menstrual period. You can immagine what happens when either one is not

present the other. but it is the progesterone that is missing first in the

perimenopausal symdrome, some women earlier, some later.

http://sprojects.mmi.mcgill.ca/menstrualcycle/uterineendometrialcycle.html

Re: where to go from here?

>

> I just wish someone could explain to me why high estrogen is purportedly

the

> problem whenever one suffers symptoms most typically experienced during

the

> low estrogen and high progesterone half of our cycle. The period starts

at

> all only when estrogen dips low enough and progesterone rises high enough

to

> trigger it. Water retention, cramping, heavy bleeding, sore breasts etc -

> these are common during the low estrogen /high progesterone phase of the

> cycle and nowhere to be seen during the high estrogen/low progesterone

half

> of the cycle.

> ALSO the 'estrogen dominance' theory is supposed to affect primarily women

> moving into the period of our lives CLINICALLY DEFINED by the drop in

> estrogen production - a drop not mirrored by a drop in progesterone levels

> for another ten years or so. I read the man's book and it makes sense

> unless you consider the above. He has a theory and it very far from

proven,

> in my opinion. Having said that, I do not doubt for one instant that

there

> are women who can be helped by progesterone therapy. For most of us, I

> doubt it.

> I also went on a true progesterone cream to correct premenopausal

symptoms -

> and I battled hypoglycemia and persistent fatigue for almost a year

> afterward. It took a LONG time to correct the damage. Another thing to

> consider is that in my case, anyway, it looks as if my body was using up

> it's estrogen because it wasn't getting enough thyroid hormone. I only

know

> that I felt better when I finally went on estradiol (low dose) but even

> better still on Armour - when I was able to drop the estradiol altogether.

> Terijo

[Guest guest]

There are many links like this one, but it does show that BOTH estrogen and

progesterone are very high during the follicular phase of the cycle, while

these events are going on. It is progesterone that causes the release of

glycogen, among other events it causes, but estrogen is also very high at

this time. They BOTH are high, but both begin to decrease before the

menstrual period. You can immagine what happens when either one is not

present the other. but it is the progesterone that is missing first in the

perimenopausal symdrome, some women earlier, some later.

http://sprojects.mmi.mcgill.ca/menstrualcycle/uterineendometrialcycle.html

Re: where to go from here?

>

> I just wish someone could explain to me why high estrogen is purportedly

the

> problem whenever one suffers symptoms most typically experienced during

the

> low estrogen and high progesterone half of our cycle. The period starts

at

> all only when estrogen dips low enough and progesterone rises high enough

to

> trigger it. Water retention, cramping, heavy bleeding, sore breasts etc -

> these are common during the low estrogen /high progesterone phase of the

> cycle and nowhere to be seen during the high estrogen/low progesterone

half

> of the cycle.

> ALSO the 'estrogen dominance' theory is supposed to affect primarily women

> moving into the period of our lives CLINICALLY DEFINED by the drop in

> estrogen production - a drop not mirrored by a drop in progesterone levels

> for another ten years or so. I read the man's book and it makes sense

> unless you consider the above. He has a theory and it very far from

proven,

> in my opinion. Having said that, I do not doubt for one instant that

there

> are women who can be helped by progesterone therapy. For most of us, I

> doubt it.

> I also went on a true progesterone cream to correct premenopausal

symptoms -

> and I battled hypoglycemia and persistent fatigue for almost a year

> afterward. It took a LONG time to correct the damage. Another thing to

> consider is that in my case, anyway, it looks as if my body was using up

> it's estrogen because it wasn't getting enough thyroid hormone. I only

know

> that I felt better when I finally went on estradiol (low dose) but even

> better still on Armour - when I was able to drop the estradiol altogether.

> Terijo

[Guest guest]

There are many links like this one, but it does show that BOTH estrogen and

progesterone are very high during the follicular phase of the cycle, while

these events are going on. It is progesterone that causes the release of

glycogen, among other events it causes, but estrogen is also very high at

this time. They BOTH are high, but both begin to decrease before the

menstrual period. You can immagine what happens when either one is not

present the other. but it is the progesterone that is missing first in the

perimenopausal symdrome, some women earlier, some later.

http://sprojects.mmi.mcgill.ca/menstrualcycle/uterineendometrialcycle.html

Re: where to go from here?

>

> I just wish someone could explain to me why high estrogen is purportedly

the

> problem whenever one suffers symptoms most typically experienced during

the

> low estrogen and high progesterone half of our cycle. The period starts

at

> all only when estrogen dips low enough and progesterone rises high enough

to

> trigger it. Water retention, cramping, heavy bleeding, sore breasts etc -

> these are common during the low estrogen /high progesterone phase of the

> cycle and nowhere to be seen during the high estrogen/low progesterone

half

> of the cycle.

> ALSO the 'estrogen dominance' theory is supposed to affect primarily women

> moving into the period of our lives CLINICALLY DEFINED by the drop in

> estrogen production - a drop not mirrored by a drop in progesterone levels

> for another ten years or so. I read the man's book and it makes sense

> unless you consider the above. He has a theory and it very far from

proven,

> in my opinion. Having said that, I do not doubt for one instant that

there

> are women who can be helped by progesterone therapy. For most of us, I

> doubt it.

> I also went on a true progesterone cream to correct premenopausal

symptoms -

> and I battled hypoglycemia and persistent fatigue for almost a year

> afterward. It took a LONG time to correct the damage. Another thing to

> consider is that in my case, anyway, it looks as if my body was using up

> it's estrogen because it wasn't getting enough thyroid hormone. I only

know

> that I felt better when I finally went on estradiol (low dose) but even

> better still on Armour - when I was able to drop the estradiol altogether.

> Terijo