Guest guest Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Does anyone know if they can use EMDR to treat OCD? This can be a very effective (and fast) way to work on depression. I don't know if it's used on children. OCD " Boot Camp " ? > > > Is there such a thing? Is there any intensive type therapy, short > of admittance into a hospital that might prove to be effective? Has > anyone seen anything like this? If so, what is it about, and is it > effective? > > Yes, our family has become willing to do whatever it takes > ( " desperate " is not an appropriate term). > > Yes, the shortest post I have ever done! > > FD > > > > > > > Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat feature may be accessed at: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group// . > Our list advisors are Gail B. , Ed.D., Tamar Chansky, Ph.D.( http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan Geller, M.D.,Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., ( http://www.lighthouse-press.com ). Our list moderators are Birkhan, Castle, Fowler, Kathy Hammes, Joye, Kathy Mac, Gail Pesses, and Kathy . Subscription issues or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... .. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Does anyone know if they can use EMDR to treat OCD? This can be a very effective (and fast) way to work on depression. I don't know if it's used on children. OCD " Boot Camp " ? > > > Is there such a thing? Is there any intensive type therapy, short > of admittance into a hospital that might prove to be effective? Has > anyone seen anything like this? If so, what is it about, and is it > effective? > > Yes, our family has become willing to do whatever it takes > ( " desperate " is not an appropriate term). > > Yes, the shortest post I have ever done! > > FD > > > > > > > Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat feature may be accessed at: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group// . > Our list advisors are Gail B. , Ed.D., Tamar Chansky, Ph.D.( http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan Geller, M.D.,Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., ( http://www.lighthouse-press.com ). Our list moderators are Birkhan, Castle, Fowler, Kathy Hammes, Joye, Kathy Mac, Gail Pesses, and Kathy . Subscription issues or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... .. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Does anyone know if they can use EMDR to treat OCD? This can be a very effective (and fast) way to work on depression. I don't know if it's used on children. OCD " Boot Camp " ? > > > Is there such a thing? Is there any intensive type therapy, short > of admittance into a hospital that might prove to be effective? Has > anyone seen anything like this? If so, what is it about, and is it > effective? > > Yes, our family has become willing to do whatever it takes > ( " desperate " is not an appropriate term). > > Yes, the shortest post I have ever done! > > FD > > > > > > > Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat feature may be accessed at: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group// . > Our list advisors are Gail B. , Ed.D., Tamar Chansky, Ph.D.( http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan Geller, M.D.,Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., ( http://www.lighthouse-press.com ). Our list moderators are Birkhan, Castle, Fowler, Kathy Hammes, Joye, Kathy Mac, Gail Pesses, and Kathy . Subscription issues or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... .. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 FD, A while back I remember someone posting about their child coming back from Hospital in Wisconsin. Sounded like a miracle for them, I hope they respond to your post. Here's the hospital's website, it looks very interesting, not sure how feasible it would be for you, but it's an option: http://www.rogershospital.org/index2.php nna. NY > > Is there such a thing? Is there any intensive type therapy, short > of admittance into a hospital that might prove to be effective? Has > anyone seen anything like this? If so, what is it about, and is it > effective? > > Yes, our family has become willing to do whatever it takes > ( " desperate " is not an appropriate term). > > Yes, the shortest post I have ever done! > > FD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Also some hospitals/treatment places have the " day programs " for kids (is that partial hospitalization??). Some parents have posted about their children attending. That might just be offered at those universities with an OCD section though. > > FD, > > A while back I remember someone posting about their child coming back > from Hospital in Wisconsin. Sounded like a miracle for them, I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Hospitals these days will keep a child a week or 10 days unless you can pay out of pocket or unless they are a threat to self or others. Insurance will not generally cover beyond that, and who has the wealth to pay $1500 a day for a couple of months, not many of us. I cannot imagine that 7-10 days is enough time to turn things around for anyone --how have people on this list managed to get hospital care for longer? Also, seems to me an OCD child can be very functional in hospital but when back home, all the same pathologies as before may emerge. The hospital is so structured, so contained. Goal should be to get the child functional in the world --being functional in a hospital is predictive only so far. I am NOT dismissing this experience at all, but just questioning whether it is really a reasonable or worthwhile avenue for very many of us. Can a child not suicidal, for instance, even be in hospital long enough to master CBT-ERT before insurance pulls the plug? Won't those lessons be more valuable if conducted in the setting in which they will need to be applied, at home? pw nna wrote on 1/22/2005, 9:05 PM: > > FD, > > A while back I remember someone posting about their child coming back > from Hospital in Wisconsin. Sounded like a miracle for them, I > hope they respond to your post. Here's the hospital's website, it > looks very interesting, not sure how feasible it would be for you, but > it's an option: > > http://www.rogershospital.org/index2.php > > nna. > NY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Hospitals these days will keep a child a week or 10 days unless you can pay out of pocket or unless they are a threat to self or others. Insurance will not generally cover beyond that, and who has the wealth to pay $1500 a day for a couple of months, not many of us. I cannot imagine that 7-10 days is enough time to turn things around for anyone --how have people on this list managed to get hospital care for longer? Also, seems to me an OCD child can be very functional in hospital but when back home, all the same pathologies as before may emerge. The hospital is so structured, so contained. Goal should be to get the child functional in the world --being functional in a hospital is predictive only so far. I am NOT dismissing this experience at all, but just questioning whether it is really a reasonable or worthwhile avenue for very many of us. Can a child not suicidal, for instance, even be in hospital long enough to master CBT-ERT before insurance pulls the plug? Won't those lessons be more valuable if conducted in the setting in which they will need to be applied, at home? pw nna wrote on 1/22/2005, 9:05 PM: > > FD, > > A while back I remember someone posting about their child coming back > from Hospital in Wisconsin. Sounded like a miracle for them, I > hope they respond to your post. Here's the hospital's website, it > looks very interesting, not sure how feasible it would be for you, but > it's an option: > > http://www.rogershospital.org/index2.php > > nna. > NY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 I'm not sold on hospital stays, either, (esp. given Debbi P's nightmare) but did you look at the website I posted for Hospital? It's a non-profit hospital, and it looks amazing to me. The residential program especially has a nice house just for OCD patients, and the rooms look very homey. Again, I don't know any details re: cost, etc, but at a glance it looks so different than what we picture for a " hospital " . > Hospitals these days will keep a child a week or 10 days unless you can > pay out of pocket or unless they are a threat to self or others. > Insurance will not generally cover beyond that, and who has the wealth > to pay $1500 a day for a couple of months, not many of us. > > I cannot imagine that 7-10 days is enough time to turn things around > for anyone --how have people on this list managed to get hospital care > for longer? > > Also, seems to me an OCD child can be very functional in hospital but > when back home, all the same pathologies as before may emerge. The > hospital is so structured, so contained. Goal should be to get the child > functional in the world --being functional in a hospital is predictive > only so far. > > I am NOT dismissing this experience at all, but just questioning whether > it is really a reasonable or worthwhile avenue for very many of us. Can > a child not suicidal, for instance, even be in hospital long enough to > master CBT-ERT before insurance pulls the plug? Won't those lessons be > more valuable if conducted in the setting in which they will need to be > applied, at home? > > pw > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 I'm not sold on hospital stays, either, (esp. given Debbi P's nightmare) but did you look at the website I posted for Hospital? It's a non-profit hospital, and it looks amazing to me. The residential program especially has a nice house just for OCD patients, and the rooms look very homey. Again, I don't know any details re: cost, etc, but at a glance it looks so different than what we picture for a " hospital " . > Hospitals these days will keep a child a week or 10 days unless you can > pay out of pocket or unless they are a threat to self or others. > Insurance will not generally cover beyond that, and who has the wealth > to pay $1500 a day for a couple of months, not many of us. > > I cannot imagine that 7-10 days is enough time to turn things around > for anyone --how have people on this list managed to get hospital care > for longer? > > Also, seems to me an OCD child can be very functional in hospital but > when back home, all the same pathologies as before may emerge. The > hospital is so structured, so contained. Goal should be to get the child > functional in the world --being functional in a hospital is predictive > only so far. > > I am NOT dismissing this experience at all, but just questioning whether > it is really a reasonable or worthwhile avenue for very many of us. Can > a child not suicidal, for instance, even be in hospital long enough to > master CBT-ERT before insurance pulls the plug? Won't those lessons be > more valuable if conducted in the setting in which they will need to be > applied, at home? > > pw > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Hi FD, I think there may be some confusion on the list between hospitalization--where someone who is dysfunctional and/or a danger to themselves or others may (primarily) have their medications reassessed and balanced in a safe environment--and hospitalization which offers an immersion CBT/ERP protocol. I think the therapy-immersion type of hospitalization could be helpful to your daughter, and I know several parents on this list have looked into this and some have sent their (usually older) children with good outcomes. I'm sorry I don't remember how old your child is, but that may be the stopper, the older age limits that most of these programs have. I wouldn't spend any more hope/time/money with the current therapist. She is blaming your child for not getting better or working, rather than finding ways to engage your daughter in therapy. It's very common for a child to resist therapy, and be too fearful to try exposures or even imagine that it's possible to get better from OCD--it's an *anxiety* disorder and frequently kids believe OCD is keeping them safe and alive. Six months of this is way more than enough--folks, don't keep paying someone to do something that they are not doing, or Heaven forbid, have told you outright they can't do--whether that person is an auto mechanic or a therapist. Blaming your child for lack of progress in therapy is a major red flag and should send you scurrying to find someone better. An alternative to an inpatient program would be to find another therapist locally who is competent to engage your daughter. She could then see this therapist more often than once/week for 45 minutes, at least to start and get off " square one " . At one point my young girl was going to three one-hour sessions per week for ERP at a hospital-based children's anxiety clinic, and doing exposure homework between sessions, lured on by incentives and prizes. During this time period all our lives were pretty much focused on therapy and homework, but she made a lot of progress in a relatively short while, plus gained the perspective that no matter what OCD threw at her, she knew how to squash it. Let us know how things go, and good luck to you and your daughter. Kathy R. in Indiana ----- Original Message ----- From: " Dad of Two " <thiin_white_duke@... >>>> Also, seems to me an OCD child can be very functional in hospital but >>>> when back home, all the same pathologies as before may emerge. > > Yes, that is one of the things we are concerned about. > > Part of the problem we have with our once-per-week 45 minute therapy > sessions is that it's only once per week, for a short time, and our > daughter won't open up (even after 6 months), and the homework we're given > just doesn't happen. 99% of that is because she just does not want to get > better, and has expressed that she would rather keep things the way they > are than to change. As bad as it for her and us, she has admitted that > both to us and our therapist. And even our therapist has told her and us > that until she is willing to change, our therapy is valid, but it's only > serving to EXPOSE her to change. But the other part is because we also > have other life commitments, such as school, her sister, work (only for > me), and dealing with , if that makes any sense. Funny how life > just seems to get in the way of life, isn't it? > > What we would be looking for in an intensive therapy program is somewhere > where we can dedicate 100% of the time to OCD. You can blow off a > 45-minute session, knowing it's only an hour until you can get out to go > home and wash your hands and cave in to the OCD gremlins in your head. > It's a bit harder to do that when all you do is work with it for 6 - 9 > hours a day. > > No, we're not expecting a CURE for the OCD in 2 weeks. But we were hoping > to find a way to get a strong foothold on it. I've been doing research, > and there are some links on the ocfoundation website to such programs, and > apparently they can be very successful. It seems you spend all day > working on meds and therapy, and the staff works with you to get to know > you and your issues, and can get some solid building blocks to send you > home with. That's what we want. > > Hey, we're willing to do whatever it takes. Anyone ever consider a > psychic or exorcism? Just kidding, of course. > > FD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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