Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 > What a strange theory. From my work with autistic students I dont think > this is the case at all with no desire to be part of this world. I think was just expressing the common conception of autism. I too sort of had that image. I only know one autistic person and he really does seem quite content in his own world, even though he doesn't mind going places and doing things. But while he happily goes along with whatever his careds decide, he sings and talks to himself and only addresses another person if he wants something from them. > Autism includes a mental disability as far as I understand it. Many times however an IQ cant be mesured correctly on an autistic person. I claim that a great number of autistic students that I've met are severely misjudged simply because health personel dont have the ability " to see behind the mask " and that the tests aren't developed specifically for people with autism. I have suspected this (as I wrote on my site " being unable to talk does not necessarily mean that one cannot think " ) but I have not had enough contact with autistics to find out if it may be true or not. > I've only seen a few that seem to be content with their own world. They > are usually very retarded. OK. > I think it's more of a question of not realizing that they can gain anything from social contact and in many cases they when they have tried the results have been poor...and why risk it again? Right! > Most people want to learn to understand and to socialize. People with > austim/HFA/AS seems to just want it a little bit less;)...what do you think? Yes! That makes perfect sense. I want to socialize sometimes, but not ALL the time, like NTs. > Maybee people with AS get the idea a little bit more due to their > intelligence? But then again we are all so different.... Still took me about 35 years or so to figure out that I'm not a very social person... :-) > As far as the difference between High functioning autism and Aspergers Syndrom I see a difference in motor skills that seem to be much better för people with Aspergers. Poor motor skills is not even a needed criteria for Aspergers Syndrom. A high functioning autist in my experience is usually more " closed " and have a greater severity in the autism itself. Not necessarily a problem with intellectual ability. With Aspergers Syndrom your IQ should be below normal (in Sweden above 80-100) which is allowed in high functioning autism. It is very confusing to meet people that have the same diagnose and they are so different regarding the autismmatter. I hope the doctors soon will agree on even more narrowed testings and maybee different/new dx:s..People with AS and ADHD in combination is also a sub-group that differs quite a bit. Right! That's where I've seen the biggest difference among Aspies; those with and those without ADHD. > Went to an interesting lecture this week about the Serotonin effect for > autism/HFA/AS. It seems like abt 25-30 % of people with AS/HFA have an increased level (very much so) of Serotonin and that also might explain why many dont see a change with SSRI like Prozac or Zoloft.....Interesting study and it's continuing right now in Stockholm. How do they measure serotonin? Can it be seen in some blood test or what? Inger > > I've been in many discussions about what is the difference between AS > and autism. Some people theorize that those with classic autism are > in a world of their own and that there is no desire to be part of > this one, whereas those with AS have more desire to communicate. Hope > this makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > " We're not sick, we're just wired up a little differently. " > > > > > > > > > > Even 'differently' has its own negative connotations. Can't > we use > > > > some > > > > > sort of positive expression? I'm at a loss for just the right > words > > > > at > > > > > the moment, but am searching. > > > > > Rainbow FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the folder marked " Other FAM Sites. " FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the folder marked " Other FAM Sites. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 > What a strange theory. From my work with autistic students I dont think > this is the case at all with no desire to be part of this world. I think was just expressing the common conception of autism. I too sort of had that image. I only know one autistic person and he really does seem quite content in his own world, even though he doesn't mind going places and doing things. But while he happily goes along with whatever his careds decide, he sings and talks to himself and only addresses another person if he wants something from them. > Autism includes a mental disability as far as I understand it. Many times however an IQ cant be mesured correctly on an autistic person. I claim that a great number of autistic students that I've met are severely misjudged simply because health personel dont have the ability " to see behind the mask " and that the tests aren't developed specifically for people with autism. I have suspected this (as I wrote on my site " being unable to talk does not necessarily mean that one cannot think " ) but I have not had enough contact with autistics to find out if it may be true or not. > I've only seen a few that seem to be content with their own world. They > are usually very retarded. OK. > I think it's more of a question of not realizing that they can gain anything from social contact and in many cases they when they have tried the results have been poor...and why risk it again? Right! > Most people want to learn to understand and to socialize. People with > austim/HFA/AS seems to just want it a little bit less;)...what do you think? Yes! That makes perfect sense. I want to socialize sometimes, but not ALL the time, like NTs. > Maybee people with AS get the idea a little bit more due to their > intelligence? But then again we are all so different.... Still took me about 35 years or so to figure out that I'm not a very social person... :-) > As far as the difference between High functioning autism and Aspergers Syndrom I see a difference in motor skills that seem to be much better för people with Aspergers. Poor motor skills is not even a needed criteria for Aspergers Syndrom. A high functioning autist in my experience is usually more " closed " and have a greater severity in the autism itself. Not necessarily a problem with intellectual ability. With Aspergers Syndrom your IQ should be below normal (in Sweden above 80-100) which is allowed in high functioning autism. It is very confusing to meet people that have the same diagnose and they are so different regarding the autismmatter. I hope the doctors soon will agree on even more narrowed testings and maybee different/new dx:s..People with AS and ADHD in combination is also a sub-group that differs quite a bit. Right! That's where I've seen the biggest difference among Aspies; those with and those without ADHD. > Went to an interesting lecture this week about the Serotonin effect for > autism/HFA/AS. It seems like abt 25-30 % of people with AS/HFA have an increased level (very much so) of Serotonin and that also might explain why many dont see a change with SSRI like Prozac or Zoloft.....Interesting study and it's continuing right now in Stockholm. How do they measure serotonin? Can it be seen in some blood test or what? Inger > > I've been in many discussions about what is the difference between AS > and autism. Some people theorize that those with classic autism are > in a world of their own and that there is no desire to be part of > this one, whereas those with AS have more desire to communicate. Hope > this makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > " We're not sick, we're just wired up a little differently. " > > > > > > > > > > Even 'differently' has its own negative connotations. Can't > we use > > > > some > > > > > sort of positive expression? I'm at a loss for just the right > words > > > > at > > > > > the moment, but am searching. > > > > > Rainbow FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the folder marked " Other FAM Sites. " FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the folder marked " Other FAM Sites. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 > What a strange theory. From my work with autistic students I dont think > this is the case at all with no desire to be part of this world. I think was just expressing the common conception of autism. I too sort of had that image. I only know one autistic person and he really does seem quite content in his own world, even though he doesn't mind going places and doing things. But while he happily goes along with whatever his careds decide, he sings and talks to himself and only addresses another person if he wants something from them. > Autism includes a mental disability as far as I understand it. Many times however an IQ cant be mesured correctly on an autistic person. I claim that a great number of autistic students that I've met are severely misjudged simply because health personel dont have the ability " to see behind the mask " and that the tests aren't developed specifically for people with autism. I have suspected this (as I wrote on my site " being unable to talk does not necessarily mean that one cannot think " ) but I have not had enough contact with autistics to find out if it may be true or not. > I've only seen a few that seem to be content with their own world. They > are usually very retarded. OK. > I think it's more of a question of not realizing that they can gain anything from social contact and in many cases they when they have tried the results have been poor...and why risk it again? Right! > Most people want to learn to understand and to socialize. People with > austim/HFA/AS seems to just want it a little bit less;)...what do you think? Yes! That makes perfect sense. I want to socialize sometimes, but not ALL the time, like NTs. > Maybee people with AS get the idea a little bit more due to their > intelligence? But then again we are all so different.... Still took me about 35 years or so to figure out that I'm not a very social person... :-) > As far as the difference between High functioning autism and Aspergers Syndrom I see a difference in motor skills that seem to be much better för people with Aspergers. Poor motor skills is not even a needed criteria for Aspergers Syndrom. A high functioning autist in my experience is usually more " closed " and have a greater severity in the autism itself. Not necessarily a problem with intellectual ability. With Aspergers Syndrom your IQ should be below normal (in Sweden above 80-100) which is allowed in high functioning autism. It is very confusing to meet people that have the same diagnose and they are so different regarding the autismmatter. I hope the doctors soon will agree on even more narrowed testings and maybee different/new dx:s..People with AS and ADHD in combination is also a sub-group that differs quite a bit. Right! That's where I've seen the biggest difference among Aspies; those with and those without ADHD. > Went to an interesting lecture this week about the Serotonin effect for > autism/HFA/AS. It seems like abt 25-30 % of people with AS/HFA have an increased level (very much so) of Serotonin and that also might explain why many dont see a change with SSRI like Prozac or Zoloft.....Interesting study and it's continuing right now in Stockholm. How do they measure serotonin? Can it be seen in some blood test or what? Inger > > I've been in many discussions about what is the difference between AS > and autism. Some people theorize that those with classic autism are > in a world of their own and that there is no desire to be part of > this one, whereas those with AS have more desire to communicate. Hope > this makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > " We're not sick, we're just wired up a little differently. " > > > > > > > > > > Even 'differently' has its own negative connotations. Can't > we use > > > > some > > > > > sort of positive expression? I'm at a loss for just the right > words > > > > at > > > > > the moment, but am searching. > > > > > Rainbow FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the folder marked " Other FAM Sites. " FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the folder marked " Other FAM Sites. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 That is very interesting! Maybe that explains why all the various meds I've been on have had absolutely no effect. Is there a drug that helps with Serotonin levels? Kitty Went to an interesting lecture this week about the Serotonin effect for > > autism/HFA/AS. > It seems like abt 25-30 % of people with AS/HFA have an increased level > (very much so) > of Serotonin and that also might explain why many dont see a change with > SSRI like Prozac > or Zoloft.....Interesting study and it's continuing right now in Stockholm. > > How do they measure serotonin? Can it be seen in some blood test or what? > > Inger > > > > > > > > I've been in many discussions about what is the difference between > AS > > and autism. Some people theorize that those with classic autism are > > in a world of their own and that there is no desire to be part of > > this one, whereas those with AS have more desire to communicate. > Hope > > this makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " We're not sick, we're just wired up a little > differently. " > > > > > > > > > > > > Even 'differently' has its own negative connotations. Can't > > we use > > > > > some > > > > > > sort of positive expression? I'm at a loss for just the > right > > words > > > > > at > > > > > > the moment, but am searching. > > > > > > Rainbow > > > > > > FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and > acceptance. Everyone is valued. > > Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the > folder marked " Other FAM Sites. " > > > > FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and > acceptance. Everyone is valued. > > Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the > folder marked " Other FAM Sites. " > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 That is very interesting! Maybe that explains why all the various meds I've been on have had absolutely no effect. Is there a drug that helps with Serotonin levels? Kitty Went to an interesting lecture this week about the Serotonin effect for > > autism/HFA/AS. > It seems like abt 25-30 % of people with AS/HFA have an increased level > (very much so) > of Serotonin and that also might explain why many dont see a change with > SSRI like Prozac > or Zoloft.....Interesting study and it's continuing right now in Stockholm. > > How do they measure serotonin? Can it be seen in some blood test or what? > > Inger > > > > > > > > I've been in many discussions about what is the difference between > AS > > and autism. Some people theorize that those with classic autism are > > in a world of their own and that there is no desire to be part of > > this one, whereas those with AS have more desire to communicate. > Hope > > this makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " We're not sick, we're just wired up a little > differently. " > > > > > > > > > > > > Even 'differently' has its own negative connotations. Can't > > we use > > > > > some > > > > > > sort of positive expression? I'm at a loss for just the > right > > words > > > > > at > > > > > > the moment, but am searching. > > > > > > Rainbow > > > > > > FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and > acceptance. Everyone is valued. > > Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the > folder marked " Other FAM Sites. " > > > > FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and > acceptance. Everyone is valued. > > Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the > folder marked " Other FAM Sites. " > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 That is very interesting! Maybe that explains why all the various meds I've been on have had absolutely no effect. Is there a drug that helps with Serotonin levels? Kitty Went to an interesting lecture this week about the Serotonin effect for > > autism/HFA/AS. > It seems like abt 25-30 % of people with AS/HFA have an increased level > (very much so) > of Serotonin and that also might explain why many dont see a change with > SSRI like Prozac > or Zoloft.....Interesting study and it's continuing right now in Stockholm. > > How do they measure serotonin? Can it be seen in some blood test or what? > > Inger > > > > > > > > I've been in many discussions about what is the difference between > AS > > and autism. Some people theorize that those with classic autism are > > in a world of their own and that there is no desire to be part of > > this one, whereas those with AS have more desire to communicate. > Hope > > this makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " We're not sick, we're just wired up a little > differently. " > > > > > > > > > > > > Even 'differently' has its own negative connotations. Can't > > we use > > > > > some > > > > > > sort of positive expression? I'm at a loss for just the > right > > words > > > > > at > > > > > > the moment, but am searching. > > > > > > Rainbow > > > > > > FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and > acceptance. Everyone is valued. > > Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the > folder marked " Other FAM Sites. " > > > > FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and > acceptance. Everyone is valued. > > Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the > folder marked " Other FAM Sites. " > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 I was expressing other peoples theories - I personally am not 100% sure on such things. A friend of mines son is classically autistic - he is a delighfull child - full of curiosity and obvious signs of intelligence - he rarely speaks - he interacts only to get what he needs and wants. The majority of the time he is quite happy being alone and just does his own thing, at other times he likes someone there - but not to interact with - just to be there. He is quite happy to play alongside my son, but they do not play together. My son is HFA and very verbal - when he was younger he too played alongside others rather than with and when he did try to interact he didn't get it right; for example he used to hit people he wanted to play with - I don't know why he used this technique, but he fortunately does not use it now :-) and he does now play with others to some extent - obviously on his terms. My son definitely wishes to interact with this world, but has problems doing so - he has even said to me 'I just want to be popular' - not sure he would like it if he was :-) My son was diagnosed HFA and not Aspergers because he had a language delay - but I think the reason he had a language delay was because he had serious problems with his hearing when younger and needed grommits fitted. When he was diagnosed they said to treat his as if he has Aspergers. Like I have said previously there are some that argue there is no difference between HFA and Aspergers - I do not know? Also I have heard of cases where people had assumed that someone was classically autistic and had low intelligence - only for them years later start interacting with the world and people and proving that they had taken everything around them in and in actual fact were very intelligent - I personally find it annoying that people equate non- verbal with low intelligence. Many people who witter on can sometimes be quite dense - and here I am wittering on :-) As for the socializing both my son and I desire to do it sometimes - but on our terms - we like control over our enviroment :-) and both of us need and desire time alone too. My son is still having a fairly hard time - because on the one hand he desires to go to parties and stuff and yet he cannot handle it - it is sensory overload to him. I have learned that I'm generally cr*p at parties and it is sensory overload - I sometimes make the effort - especially if it is for my son - but I quite often have to distance myself because I find it so hard and I generally try to escape/withdraw to quiter places whilst I am there. I just cannot take it all in and it is not fun. I remember some very bad experiences of parties when I was younger :-( however I do remember the game 'sleeping logs' and I liked that because everyone had to lie still and be quiet and as long as I did not have to be too close to anyone this was fine :-) " With Aspergers Syndrom your IQ should > be below normal (in Sweden above 80-100) which is allowed in high > functioning autism. " I am confused by this statement - I thought that those with Aspergers were meant to have average to high intelligence? I'll stop wittering on now :-) > > > What a strange theory. From my work with autistic students I dont think > > this is the case at all with no desire to be part of this world. > > I think was just expressing the common conception of autism. I too > sort of had that image. I only know one autistic person and he really does > seem quite content in his own world, even though he doesn't mind going > places and doing things. But while he happily goes along with whatever his > careds decide, he sings and talks to himself and only addresses another > person if he wants something from them. > > > Autism includes a mental disability as far as I understand it. > Many times however an IQ cant be mesured correctly on an autistic > person. I claim that a great number of autistic students that I've met > are severely misjudged simply because health personel dont have the > ability " to see behind the mask " and that the tests aren't developed > specifically for people with autism. > > I have suspected this (as I wrote on my site " being unable to talk does not > necessarily mean that one cannot think " ) but I have not had enough contact > with autistics to find out if it may be true or not. > > > I've only seen a few that seem to be content with their own world. They > > are usually very retarded. > > OK. > > > I think it's more of a question of not realizing that they can gain > anything from social contact and in many cases they when they have tried > the results have been poor...and why risk it again? > > Right! > > > Most people want to learn to understand and to socialize. People with > > austim/HFA/AS seems to > just want it a little bit less;)...what do you think? > > Yes! That makes perfect sense. I want to socialize sometimes, but not ALL > the time, like NTs. > > > Maybee people with AS get the idea a little bit more due to their > > intelligence? But then again we > are all so different.... > > Still took me about 35 years or so to figure out that I'm not a very social > person... :-) > > > As far as the difference between High functioning autism and Aspergers > Syndrom I see a difference in motor skills that seem to be much better > för people with Aspergers. Poor motor skills is not even a needed criteria > for Aspergers Syndrom. A high functioning autist in my experience is usually > more " closed " and have a greater severity in the autism itself. Not > necessarily > a problem with intellectual ability. With Aspergers Syndrom your IQ should > be below normal (in Sweden above 80-100) which is allowed in high > functioning autism. > It is very confusing to meet people that have the same diagnose and they are > so > different regarding the autismmatter. I hope the doctors soon will agree on > even more > narrowed testings and maybee different/new dx:s..People with AS and ADHD in > combination > is also a sub-group that differs quite a bit. > > Right! That's where I've seen the biggest difference among Aspies; those > with and those without ADHD. > > > Went to an interesting lecture this week about the Serotonin effect for > > autism/HFA/AS. > It seems like abt 25-30 % of people with AS/HFA have an increased level > (very much so) > of Serotonin and that also might explain why many dont see a change with > SSRI like Prozac > or Zoloft.....Interesting study and it's continuing right now in Stockholm. > > How do they measure serotonin? Can it be seen in some blood test or what? > > Inger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 I think that frequently is the case when there is a communication problem. My sister's husband has an adopted sister who was diagnosed as severely retarded when she was young, but after she was adopted her new mother decided that wasn't accurate and fought to have her appropriately tested and when the 'powers that be' finally listened they found that she had problems with speech due to congenital problems with her mouth, muscles in the mouth, and vocal cords but that she was not retarded. After that, she was able to get her driving permit, then license and now she is an adult, married and has a child. Kathy J. ----- Original Message ----- From: Inger Lorelei <inglori@... > Autism includes a mental disability as far as I understand it. > Many times however an IQ cant be mesured correctly on an autistic > person. I claim that a great number of autistic students that I've met > are severely misjudged simply because health personel dont have the > ability " to see behind the mask " and that the tests aren't developed > specifically for people with autism. > > I have suspected this (as I wrote on my site " being unable to talk does not > necessarily mean that one cannot think " ) but I have not had enough contact > with autistics to find out if it may be true or not. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Lotta, I'm confused by this statement also. I am diagnosed AS but my IQ averages around 132. The things that clinched the diagnosis were the lack of eye contact, the " rambling on " about topics no one cared about, special interests, minor stimming, social ineptitude, and...the high intelligence. Tom > > > > > What a strange theory. From my work with autistic students I dont > think > > > this is the case at all with no desire to be part of this world. > > > > I think was just expressing the common conception of autism. > I too > > sort of had that image. I only know one autistic person and he > really does > > seem quite content in his own world, even though he doesn't mind > going > > places and doing things. But while he happily goes along with > whatever his > > careds decide, he sings and talks to himself and only addresses > another > > person if he wants something from them. > > > > > Autism includes a mental disability as far as I understand it. > > Many times however an IQ cant be mesured correctly on an autistic > > person. I claim that a great number of autistic students that I've > met > > are severely misjudged simply because health personel dont have the > > ability " to see behind the mask " and that the tests aren't developed > > specifically for people with autism. > > > > I have suspected this (as I wrote on my site " being unable to talk > does not > > necessarily mean that one cannot think " ) but I have not had enough > contact > > with autistics to find out if it may be true or not. > > > > > I've only seen a few that seem to be content with their own > world. They > > > are usually very retarded. > > > > OK. > > > > > I think it's more of a question of not realizing that they can > gain > > anything from social contact and in many cases they when they have > tried > > the results have been poor...and why risk it again? > > > > Right! > > > > > Most people want to learn to understand and to socialize. People > with > > > austim/HFA/AS seems to > > just want it a little bit less;)...what do you think? > > > > Yes! That makes perfect sense. I want to socialize sometimes, but > not ALL > > the time, like NTs. > > > > > Maybee people with AS get the idea a little bit more due to their > > > intelligence? But then again we > > are all so different.... > > > > Still took me about 35 years or so to figure out that I'm not a > very social > > person... :-) > > > > > As far as the difference between High functioning autism and > Aspergers > > Syndrom I see a difference in motor skills that seem to be much > better > > för people with Aspergers. Poor motor skills is not even a > needed > criteria > > for Aspergers Syndrom. A high functioning autist in my experience > is usually > > more " closed " and have a greater severity in the autism itself. Not > > necessarily > > a problem with intellectual ability. With Aspergers Syndrom your IQ > should > > be below normal (in Sweden above 80-100) which is allowed in high > > functioning autism. > > It is very confusing to meet people that have the same diagnose and > they are > > so > > different regarding the autismmatter. I hope the doctors soon will > agree on > > even more > > narrowed testings and maybee different/new dx:s..People with AS and > ADHD in > > combination > > is also a sub-group that differs quite a bit. > > > > Right! That's where I've seen the biggest difference among Aspies; > those > > with and those without ADHD. > > > > > Went to an interesting lecture this week about the Serotonin > effect for > > > autism/HFA/AS. > > It seems like abt 25-30 % of people with AS/HFA have an increased > level > > (very much so) > > of Serotonin and that also might explain why many dont see a change > with > > SSRI like Prozac > > or Zoloft.....Interesting study and it's continuing right now in > Stockholm. > > > > How do they measure serotonin? Can it be seen in some blood test or > what? > > > > Inger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Lotta, I'm confused by this statement also. I am diagnosed AS but my IQ averages around 132. The things that clinched the diagnosis were the lack of eye contact, the " rambling on " about topics no one cared about, special interests, minor stimming, social ineptitude, and...the high intelligence. Tom > > > > > What a strange theory. From my work with autistic students I dont > think > > > this is the case at all with no desire to be part of this world. > > > > I think was just expressing the common conception of autism. > I too > > sort of had that image. I only know one autistic person and he > really does > > seem quite content in his own world, even though he doesn't mind > going > > places and doing things. But while he happily goes along with > whatever his > > careds decide, he sings and talks to himself and only addresses > another > > person if he wants something from them. > > > > > Autism includes a mental disability as far as I understand it. > > Many times however an IQ cant be mesured correctly on an autistic > > person. I claim that a great number of autistic students that I've > met > > are severely misjudged simply because health personel dont have the > > ability " to see behind the mask " and that the tests aren't developed > > specifically for people with autism. > > > > I have suspected this (as I wrote on my site " being unable to talk > does not > > necessarily mean that one cannot think " ) but I have not had enough > contact > > with autistics to find out if it may be true or not. > > > > > I've only seen a few that seem to be content with their own > world. They > > > are usually very retarded. > > > > OK. > > > > > I think it's more of a question of not realizing that they can > gain > > anything from social contact and in many cases they when they have > tried > > the results have been poor...and why risk it again? > > > > Right! > > > > > Most people want to learn to understand and to socialize. People > with > > > austim/HFA/AS seems to > > just want it a little bit less;)...what do you think? > > > > Yes! That makes perfect sense. I want to socialize sometimes, but > not ALL > > the time, like NTs. > > > > > Maybee people with AS get the idea a little bit more due to their > > > intelligence? But then again we > > are all so different.... > > > > Still took me about 35 years or so to figure out that I'm not a > very social > > person... :-) > > > > > As far as the difference between High functioning autism and > Aspergers > > Syndrom I see a difference in motor skills that seem to be much > better > > för people with Aspergers. Poor motor skills is not even a > needed > criteria > > for Aspergers Syndrom. A high functioning autist in my experience > is usually > > more " closed " and have a greater severity in the autism itself. Not > > necessarily > > a problem with intellectual ability. With Aspergers Syndrom your IQ > should > > be below normal (in Sweden above 80-100) which is allowed in high > > functioning autism. > > It is very confusing to meet people that have the same diagnose and > they are > > so > > different regarding the autismmatter. I hope the doctors soon will > agree on > > even more > > narrowed testings and maybee different/new dx:s..People with AS and > ADHD in > > combination > > is also a sub-group that differs quite a bit. > > > > Right! That's where I've seen the biggest difference among Aspies; > those > > with and those without ADHD. > > > > > Went to an interesting lecture this week about the Serotonin > effect for > > > autism/HFA/AS. > > It seems like abt 25-30 % of people with AS/HFA have an increased > level > > (very much so) > > of Serotonin and that also might explain why many dont see a change > with > > SSRI like Prozac > > or Zoloft.....Interesting study and it's continuing right now in > Stockholm. > > > > How do they measure serotonin? Can it be seen in some blood test or > what? > > > > Inger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 I have problems with generalizations - as I point out to people 'there are always exceptions to the rules' and yes I do believe we are all individuals. Now why did Monty Python's 'Life Of Brain' just pop up in my head?:-) can anyone else remember this? 'yes we are all individuals' 'No we don't need to follow anyone' (The balcony scene) - now I am smirking to myself with the memory of this :-) > I've worked with some autistics who broke that mold - perhaps with autism we are all individuals and generalizations are difficult with this spectrum? > e > > > Re: Aspie Unity > > > I've been in many discussions about what is the difference between AS > and autism. Some people theorize that those with classic autism are > in a world of their own and that there is no desire to be part of > this one, whereas those with AS have more desire to communicate. Hope > this makes sense. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 I have problems with generalizations - as I point out to people 'there are always exceptions to the rules' and yes I do believe we are all individuals. Now why did Monty Python's 'Life Of Brain' just pop up in my head?:-) can anyone else remember this? 'yes we are all individuals' 'No we don't need to follow anyone' (The balcony scene) - now I am smirking to myself with the memory of this :-) > I've worked with some autistics who broke that mold - perhaps with autism we are all individuals and generalizations are difficult with this spectrum? > e > > > Re: Aspie Unity > > > I've been in many discussions about what is the difference between AS > and autism. Some people theorize that those with classic autism are > in a world of their own and that there is no desire to be part of > this one, whereas those with AS have more desire to communicate. Hope > this makes sense. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 You mentioned non-verbal. What about people who communicate in other ways-using pictures for example. Where do they fit in? Hawkeye > > > > > > > " We're not sick, we're just wired up a little > differently. " > > > > > > > > > > > > Even 'differently' has its own negative connotations. Can't > > we use > > > > > some > > > > > > sort of positive expression? I'm at a loss for just the > right > > words > > > > > at > > > > > > the moment, but am searching. > > > > > > Rainbow > > > > > > FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. > > Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the folder marked " Other FAM Sites. " > > > > ________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 I hate the ignorance and assumptions of some people, especially those in authority and professionals Grrrrrrrrr I am so glad that your sister pushed for a correct diagnosis :-) I like happy endings :-) Even better, happy beginnings - happy middles and just happy :-) No I'm not on anything - just in a silly mood :-) > I think that frequently is the case when there is a communication problem. > My sister's husband has an adopted sister who was diagnosed as severely > retarded when she was young, but after she was adopted her new mother > decided that wasn't accurate and fought to have her appropriately tested and > when the 'powers that be' finally listened they found that she had problems > with speech due to congenital problems with her mouth, muscles in the mouth, > and vocal cords but that she was not retarded. After that, she was able to > get her driving permit, then license and now she is an adult, married and > has a child. > > Kathy J. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Inger Lorelei <inglori@s... > > > Autism includes a mental disability as far as I understand it. > > Many times however an IQ cant be mesured correctly on an autistic > > person. I claim that a great number of autistic students that I've met > > are severely misjudged simply because health personel dont have the > > ability " to see behind the mask " and that the tests aren't developed > > specifically for people with autism. > > > > I have suspected this (as I wrote on my site " being unable to talk does > not > > necessarily mean that one cannot think " ) but I have not had enough contact > > with autistics to find out if it may be true or not. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 I hate the ignorance and assumptions of some people, especially those in authority and professionals Grrrrrrrrr I am so glad that your sister pushed for a correct diagnosis :-) I like happy endings :-) Even better, happy beginnings - happy middles and just happy :-) No I'm not on anything - just in a silly mood :-) > I think that frequently is the case when there is a communication problem. > My sister's husband has an adopted sister who was diagnosed as severely > retarded when she was young, but after she was adopted her new mother > decided that wasn't accurate and fought to have her appropriately tested and > when the 'powers that be' finally listened they found that she had problems > with speech due to congenital problems with her mouth, muscles in the mouth, > and vocal cords but that she was not retarded. After that, she was able to > get her driving permit, then license and now she is an adult, married and > has a child. > > Kathy J. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Inger Lorelei <inglori@s... > > > Autism includes a mental disability as far as I understand it. > > Many times however an IQ cant be mesured correctly on an autistic > > person. I claim that a great number of autistic students that I've met > > are severely misjudged simply because health personel dont have the > > ability " to see behind the mask " and that the tests aren't developed > > specifically for people with autism. > > > > I have suspected this (as I wrote on my site " being unable to talk does > not > > necessarily mean that one cannot think " ) but I have not had enough contact > > with autistics to find out if it may be true or not. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Autism includes a mental disability as far as I understand it. > Many times however an IQ cant be mesured correctly on an autistic > person. I claim that a great number of autistic students that I've met > are severely misjudged simply because health personel dont have the > ability " to see behind the mask " and that the tests aren't developed > specifically for people with autism. > > I have suspected this (as I wrote on my site " being unable to talk does not > necessarily mean that one cannot think " ) but I have not had enough contact > with autistics to find out if it may be true or not. Aren't IQ tests based on cognition, not verbal skills? Kitty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 In the US AS has to have an IQ if 100 (which is considered normal) or higher. The new WISC-IV (an IQ test found an average IQ for Aspies taking the test to be 99). e ________________________________ From: FAMSecretSociety on behalf of greebohere Sent: Fri 4/22/2005 10:26 AM To: FAMSecretSociety Subject: Re: Aspie Unity I was expressing other peoples theories - I personally am not 100% sure on such things. A friend of mines son is classically autistic - he is a delighfull child - full of curiosity and obvious signs of intelligence - he rarely speaks - he interacts only to get what he needs and wants. The majority of the time he is quite happy being alone and just does his own thing, at other times he likes someone there - but not to interact with - just to be there. He is quite happy to play alongside my son, but they do not play together. My son is HFA and very verbal - when he was younger he too played alongside others rather than with and when he did try to interact he didn't get it right; for example he used to hit people he wanted to play with - I don't know why he used this technique, but he fortunately does not use it now :-) and he does now play with others to some extent - obviously on his terms. My son definitely wishes to interact with this world, but has problems doing so - he has even said to me 'I just want to be popular' - not sure he would like it if he was :-) My son was diagnosed HFA and not Aspergers because he had a language delay - but I think the reason he had a language delay was because he had serious problems with his hearing when younger and needed grommits fitted. When he was diagnosed they said to treat his as if he has Aspergers. Like I have said previously there are some that argue there is no difference between HFA and Aspergers - I do not know? Also I have heard of cases where people had assumed that someone was classically autistic and had low intelligence - only for them years later start interacting with the world and people and proving that they had taken everything around them in and in actual fact were very intelligent - I personally find it annoying that people equate non- verbal with low intelligence. Many people who witter on can sometimes be quite dense - and here I am wittering on :-) As for the socializing both my son and I desire to do it sometimes - but on our terms - we like control over our enviroment :-) and both of us need and desire time alone too. My son is still having a fairly hard time - because on the one hand he desires to go to parties and stuff and yet he cannot handle it - it is sensory overload to him. I have learned that I'm generally cr*p at parties and it is sensory overload - I sometimes make the effort - especially if it is for my son - but I quite often have to distance myself because I find it so hard and I generally try to escape/withdraw to quiter places whilst I am there. I just cannot take it all in and it is not fun. I remember some very bad experiences of parties when I was younger :-( however I do remember the game 'sleeping logs' and I liked that because everyone had to lie still and be quiet and as long as I did not have to be too close to anyone this was fine :-) " With Aspergers Syndrom your IQ should > be below normal (in Sweden above 80-100) which is allowed in high > functioning autism. " I am confused by this statement - I thought that those with Aspergers were meant to have average to high intelligence? I'll stop wittering on now :-) > > > What a strange theory. From my work with autistic students I dont think > > this is the case at all with no desire to be part of this world. > > I think was just expressing the common conception of autism. I too > sort of had that image. I only know one autistic person and he really does > seem quite content in his own world, even though he doesn't mind going > places and doing things. But while he happily goes along with whatever his > careds decide, he sings and talks to himself and only addresses another > person if he wants something from them. > > > Autism includes a mental disability as far as I understand it. > Many times however an IQ cant be mesured correctly on an autistic > person. I claim that a great number of autistic students that I've met > are severely misjudged simply because health personel dont have the > ability " to see behind the mask " and that the tests aren't developed > specifically for people with autism. > > I have suspected this (as I wrote on my site " being unable to talk does not > necessarily mean that one cannot think " ) but I have not had enough contact > with autistics to find out if it may be true or not. > > > I've only seen a few that seem to be content with their own world. They > > are usually very retarded. > > OK. > > > I think it's more of a question of not realizing that they can gain > anything from social contact and in many cases they when they have tried > the results have been poor...and why risk it again? > > Right! > > > Most people want to learn to understand and to socialize. People with > > austim/HFA/AS seems to > just want it a little bit less;)...what do you think? > > Yes! That makes perfect sense. I want to socialize sometimes, but not ALL > the time, like NTs. > > > Maybee people with AS get the idea a little bit more due to their > > intelligence? But then again we > are all so different.... > > Still took me about 35 years or so to figure out that I'm not a very social > person... :-) > > > As far as the difference between High functioning autism and Aspergers > Syndrom I see a difference in motor skills that seem to be much better > för people with Aspergers. Poor motor skills is not even a needed criteria > for Aspergers Syndrom. A high functioning autist in my experience is usually > more " closed " and have a greater severity in the autism itself. Not > necessarily > a problem with intellectual ability. With Aspergers Syndrom your IQ should > be below normal (in Sweden above 80-100) which is allowed in high > functioning autism. > It is very confusing to meet people that have the same diagnose and they are > so > different regarding the autismmatter. I hope the doctors soon will agree on > even more > narrowed testings and maybee different/new dx:s..People with AS and ADHD in > combination > is also a sub-group that differs quite a bit. > > Right! That's where I've seen the biggest difference among Aspies; those > with and those without ADHD. > > > Went to an interesting lecture this week about the Serotonin effect for > > autism/HFA/AS. > It seems like abt 25-30 % of people with AS/HFA have an increased level > (very much so) > of Serotonin and that also might explain why many dont see a change with > SSRI like Prozac > or Zoloft.....Interesting study and it's continuing right now in Stockholm. > > How do they measure serotonin? Can it be seen in some blood test or what? > > Inger FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the folder marked " Other FAM Sites. 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Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 In the US AS has to have an IQ if 100 (which is considered normal) or higher. The new WISC-IV (an IQ test found an average IQ for Aspies taking the test to be 99). e ________________________________ From: FAMSecretSociety on behalf of greebohere Sent: Fri 4/22/2005 10:26 AM To: FAMSecretSociety Subject: Re: Aspie Unity I was expressing other peoples theories - I personally am not 100% sure on such things. A friend of mines son is classically autistic - he is a delighfull child - full of curiosity and obvious signs of intelligence - he rarely speaks - he interacts only to get what he needs and wants. The majority of the time he is quite happy being alone and just does his own thing, at other times he likes someone there - but not to interact with - just to be there. He is quite happy to play alongside my son, but they do not play together. My son is HFA and very verbal - when he was younger he too played alongside others rather than with and when he did try to interact he didn't get it right; for example he used to hit people he wanted to play with - I don't know why he used this technique, but he fortunately does not use it now :-) and he does now play with others to some extent - obviously on his terms. My son definitely wishes to interact with this world, but has problems doing so - he has even said to me 'I just want to be popular' - not sure he would like it if he was :-) My son was diagnosed HFA and not Aspergers because he had a language delay - but I think the reason he had a language delay was because he had serious problems with his hearing when younger and needed grommits fitted. When he was diagnosed they said to treat his as if he has Aspergers. Like I have said previously there are some that argue there is no difference between HFA and Aspergers - I do not know? Also I have heard of cases where people had assumed that someone was classically autistic and had low intelligence - only for them years later start interacting with the world and people and proving that they had taken everything around them in and in actual fact were very intelligent - I personally find it annoying that people equate non- verbal with low intelligence. Many people who witter on can sometimes be quite dense - and here I am wittering on :-) As for the socializing both my son and I desire to do it sometimes - but on our terms - we like control over our enviroment :-) and both of us need and desire time alone too. My son is still having a fairly hard time - because on the one hand he desires to go to parties and stuff and yet he cannot handle it - it is sensory overload to him. I have learned that I'm generally cr*p at parties and it is sensory overload - I sometimes make the effort - especially if it is for my son - but I quite often have to distance myself because I find it so hard and I generally try to escape/withdraw to quiter places whilst I am there. I just cannot take it all in and it is not fun. I remember some very bad experiences of parties when I was younger :-( however I do remember the game 'sleeping logs' and I liked that because everyone had to lie still and be quiet and as long as I did not have to be too close to anyone this was fine :-) " With Aspergers Syndrom your IQ should > be below normal (in Sweden above 80-100) which is allowed in high > functioning autism. " I am confused by this statement - I thought that those with Aspergers were meant to have average to high intelligence? I'll stop wittering on now :-) > > > What a strange theory. From my work with autistic students I dont think > > this is the case at all with no desire to be part of this world. > > I think was just expressing the common conception of autism. I too > sort of had that image. I only know one autistic person and he really does > seem quite content in his own world, even though he doesn't mind going > places and doing things. But while he happily goes along with whatever his > careds decide, he sings and talks to himself and only addresses another > person if he wants something from them. > > > Autism includes a mental disability as far as I understand it. > Many times however an IQ cant be mesured correctly on an autistic > person. I claim that a great number of autistic students that I've met > are severely misjudged simply because health personel dont have the > ability " to see behind the mask " and that the tests aren't developed > specifically for people with autism. > > I have suspected this (as I wrote on my site " being unable to talk does not > necessarily mean that one cannot think " ) but I have not had enough contact > with autistics to find out if it may be true or not. > > > I've only seen a few that seem to be content with their own world. They > > are usually very retarded. > > OK. > > > I think it's more of a question of not realizing that they can gain > anything from social contact and in many cases they when they have tried > the results have been poor...and why risk it again? > > Right! > > > Most people want to learn to understand and to socialize. People with > > austim/HFA/AS seems to > just want it a little bit less;)...what do you think? > > Yes! That makes perfect sense. I want to socialize sometimes, but not ALL > the time, like NTs. > > > Maybee people with AS get the idea a little bit more due to their > > intelligence? But then again we > are all so different.... > > Still took me about 35 years or so to figure out that I'm not a very social > person... :-) > > > As far as the difference between High functioning autism and Aspergers > Syndrom I see a difference in motor skills that seem to be much better > för people with Aspergers. Poor motor skills is not even a needed criteria > for Aspergers Syndrom. A high functioning autist in my experience is usually > more " closed " and have a greater severity in the autism itself. Not > necessarily > a problem with intellectual ability. With Aspergers Syndrom your IQ should > be below normal (in Sweden above 80-100) which is allowed in high > functioning autism. > It is very confusing to meet people that have the same diagnose and they are > so > different regarding the autismmatter. I hope the doctors soon will agree on > even more > narrowed testings and maybee different/new dx:s..People with AS and ADHD in > combination > is also a sub-group that differs quite a bit. > > Right! That's where I've seen the biggest difference among Aspies; those > with and those without ADHD. > > > Went to an interesting lecture this week about the Serotonin effect for > > autism/HFA/AS. > It seems like abt 25-30 % of people with AS/HFA have an increased level > (very much so) > of Serotonin and that also might explain why many dont see a change with > SSRI like Prozac > or Zoloft.....Interesting study and it's continuing right now in Stockholm. > > How do they measure serotonin? Can it be seen in some blood test or what? > > Inger FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the folder marked " Other FAM Sites. 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Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 According to Special Education theory in the US, communication through use of pictures (often referred to as the PECS method) is a form of nonverbal communication. e ________________________________ From: FAMSecretSociety on behalf of pierce407720032003 Sent: Fri 4/22/2005 10:47 AM To: FAMSecretSociety Subject: Re: Aspie Unity You mentioned non-verbal. What about people who communicate in other ways-using pictures for example. Where do they fit in? Hawkeye > > > > > > > " We're not sick, we're just wired up a little > differently. " > > > > > > > > > > > > Even 'differently' has its own negative connotations. Can't > > we use > > > > > some > > > > > > sort of positive expression? I'm at a loss for just the > right > > words > > > > > at > > > > > > the moment, but am searching. > > > > > > Rainbow > > > > > > FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. > > Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the folder marked " Other FAM Sites. " > > > > ________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 According to Special Education theory in the US, communication through use of pictures (often referred to as the PECS method) is a form of nonverbal communication. e ________________________________ From: FAMSecretSociety on behalf of pierce407720032003 Sent: Fri 4/22/2005 10:47 AM To: FAMSecretSociety Subject: Re: Aspie Unity You mentioned non-verbal. What about people who communicate in other ways-using pictures for example. Where do they fit in? Hawkeye > > > > > > > " We're not sick, we're just wired up a little > differently. " > > > > > > > > > > > > Even 'differently' has its own negative connotations. Can't > > we use > > > > > some > > > > > > sort of positive expression? I'm at a loss for just the > right > > words > > > > > at > > > > > > the moment, but am searching. > > > > > > Rainbow > > > > > > FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. > > Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the folder marked " Other FAM Sites. " > > > > ________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 It depends on the intelligence test. The Stanford-Binet series most definitely tests verbal skills to get a cognition score BUT with the brand new Stanford-Binet 5 there is a balance between nonverbal and verbal scores. The TONI and the UTONI are ONLY nonverbal tests which are reccommended if the student is not verbal. The WISC-IV (for children) & the WAIS-II (for adults) are fairly balanced but lean more to verbal representation than nonverbal. The Woodcock III is pretty similar to the WISC-IV and the WAIS. e ________________________________ From: FAMSecretSociety on behalf of Kitty Sent: Fri 4/22/2005 11:18 AM To: FAMSecretSociety Subject: Re: Aspie Unity Autism includes a mental disability as far as I understand it. > Many times however an IQ cant be mesured correctly on an autistic > person. I claim that a great number of autistic students that I've met > are severely misjudged simply because health personel dont have the > ability " to see behind the mask " and that the tests aren't developed > specifically for people with autism. > > I have suspected this (as I wrote on my site " being unable to talk does not > necessarily mean that one cannot think " ) but I have not had enough contact > with autistics to find out if it may be true or not. Aren't IQ tests based on cognition, not verbal skills? Kitty FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the folder marked " Other FAM Sites. " ________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 It depends on the intelligence test. The Stanford-Binet series most definitely tests verbal skills to get a cognition score BUT with the brand new Stanford-Binet 5 there is a balance between nonverbal and verbal scores. The TONI and the UTONI are ONLY nonverbal tests which are reccommended if the student is not verbal. The WISC-IV (for children) & the WAIS-II (for adults) are fairly balanced but lean more to verbal representation than nonverbal. The Woodcock III is pretty similar to the WISC-IV and the WAIS. e ________________________________ From: FAMSecretSociety on behalf of Kitty Sent: Fri 4/22/2005 11:18 AM To: FAMSecretSociety Subject: Re: Aspie Unity Autism includes a mental disability as far as I understand it. > Many times however an IQ cant be mesured correctly on an autistic > person. I claim that a great number of autistic students that I've met > are severely misjudged simply because health personel dont have the > ability " to see behind the mask " and that the tests aren't developed > specifically for people with autism. > > I have suspected this (as I wrote on my site " being unable to talk does not > necessarily mean that one cannot think " ) but I have not had enough contact > with autistics to find out if it may be true or not. Aren't IQ tests based on cognition, not verbal skills? Kitty FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the folder marked " Other FAM Sites. " ________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 The TONI and the UTONI are very available but most psychologists and diagnosticians are not familiar with how to use them because not all school districts have multiple tests because of the expense. The TONI and UTONI can be used with any language because they test nonverbal skills only. The only difficulty would be in getting the instructions in a language other than English (if you needed it). Suggestion - you might want to visit your local university that houses a diagnostician/psychologist training facility. They will probably have a larger variety of test types that you could try out (through checking them out). e Re: Aspie Unity Autism includes a mental disability as far as I understand it. > Many times however an IQ cant be mesured correctly on an autistic > person. I claim that a great number of autistic students that I've met > are severely misjudged simply because health personel dont have the > ability " to see behind the mask " and that the tests aren't developed > specifically for people with autism. > > I have suspected this (as I wrote on my site " being unable to talk does not > necessarily mean that one cannot think " ) but I have not had enough contact > with autistics to find out if it may be true or not. Aren't IQ tests based on cognition, not verbal skills? Kitty FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the folder marked " Other FAM Sites. " ________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 The TONI and the UTONI are very available but most psychologists and diagnosticians are not familiar with how to use them because not all school districts have multiple tests because of the expense. The TONI and UTONI can be used with any language because they test nonverbal skills only. The only difficulty would be in getting the instructions in a language other than English (if you needed it). Suggestion - you might want to visit your local university that houses a diagnostician/psychologist training facility. They will probably have a larger variety of test types that you could try out (through checking them out). e Re: Aspie Unity Autism includes a mental disability as far as I understand it. > Many times however an IQ cant be mesured correctly on an autistic > person. I claim that a great number of autistic students that I've met > are severely misjudged simply because health personel dont have the > ability " to see behind the mask " and that the tests aren't developed > specifically for people with autism. > > I have suspected this (as I wrote on my site " being unable to talk does not > necessarily mean that one cannot think " ) but I have not had enough contact > with autistics to find out if it may be true or not. Aren't IQ tests based on cognition, not verbal skills? Kitty FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the folder marked " Other FAM Sites. " ________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 Having recently met the son of a co-worker who is autistic (but is presently in Medical School) I think you are right... Also, I think I probably appear to be at the " milder end of the spectrum " ... and would have been categorized differently earlier in life. Re: Aspie Unity > > > I've been in many discussions about what is the difference between AS > and autism. Some people theorize that those with classic autism are > in a world of their own and that there is no desire to be part of > this one, whereas those with AS have more desire to communicate. Hope > this makes sense. > > > > > > >> > > > > " We're not sick, we're just wired up a little differently. " >> > > > >> > > > Even 'differently' has its own negative connotations. Can't > we use >> > > some >> > > > sort of positive expression? I'm at a loss for just the right > words >> > > at >> > > > the moment, but am searching. >> > > > Rainbow > > > > > > FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support > and acceptance. Everyone is valued. > > Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the > folder marked " Other FAM Sites. " > > > > ________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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