Re: Show of (digital) hands, please

February 12, 2006

I agree with the family part.

February 12, 2006

No.

Lots of email as is and can't keep up with more broad lists.

G

At 03:18 PM 2/12/2006, you wrote:

Shirley and I have been trying to decide how much overlap there is with

this list and the AAFP practicemgt list. Please email me, off

either/both lists with brief yes or no about whether you are on

Practicemgt. (I already know you are on if I

get a response from you)

Email is

askaggs@...

If you have a minute and the inclination, give me the main reason why or

why not on the AAFP list. No big research project there, I’m just

curious.

Thanks,

Annie

February 12, 2006

I was unaware of the AAFP practice management list. Is it accessed via Yahoo Groups, or via the AAFP website? Thanks, O."L. Gordon " wrote: No.Lots of email as is and can't keep up with more broad lists.GAt 03:18 PM 2/12/2006, you wrote: Shirley and I have been trying to decide how much overlap there is with this list and the AAFP practicemgt list. Please email me, off either/both lists with brief yes or no about whether you are on Practicemgt. (I already know you are on if I get a response from you) Email is askaggs@... If you have a minute and the inclination, give me the main reason why or

why not on the AAFP list. No big research project there, I’m just curious.Thanks,Annie

February 12, 2006

Ditto!"L. Gordon " wrote: No.Lots of email as is and can't keep up with more broad lists.GAt 03:18 PM 2/12/2006, you wrote: Shirley and I have been trying to decide how much overlap there is with this list and the AAFP practicemgt list. Please email me, off either/both lists with brief yes or no about whether you are on Practicemgt. (I already know you are on if I get a response from you) Email is askaggs@... If you have a minute and the inclination, give me the main reason why or why not on the AAFP list. No big research project there, I’m just curious.Thanks,Annie

February 12, 2006

used to ...but dropped off...to much stuff I don't

read...

--- n Bobb-McKoy wrote:

> Ditto!

>

> " L. Gordon "

> wrote: No.

> Lots of email as is and can't keep up with more

> broad lists.

> G

> At 03:18 PM 2/12/2006, you wrote:

> Shirley and I have been trying to decide how much

> overlap there is with this list and the AAFP

> practicemgt list. Please email me, off either/both

> lists with brief yes or no about whether you are on

> Practicemgt. (I already know you are on

> if I get a response from you)

>

> Email is askaggs@...

>

> If you have a minute and the inclination, give me

> the main reason why or why not on the AAFP list. No

> big research project there, I’m just curious.

> Thanks,

> Annie

>

February 13, 2006

No , seems like family on this list serv.

brent

> >Shirley and I have been trying to decide how much overlap there

is

> >with this list and the AAFP practicemgt list. Please email me,

off

> >either/both lists with brief yes or no about whether you are on

> >Practicemgt. (I already know you are on if

I

> >get a response from you)

> >

> >Email is askaggs@...

> >

> >If you have a minute and the inclination, give me the main reason

> >why or why not on the AAFP list. No big research project there,

I'm

> >just curious.

> >Thanks,

> >Annie

> >

February 13, 2006

Ditto.

I barely retain the info for this list and can't imagine trying to get

other ideas from another at the same time.

How much are we missing?

Tim

> No.

> Lots of email as is and can't keep up with more broad lists.

> G

> At 03:18 PM 2/12/2006, you wrote:

>>Shirley and I have been trying to decide how much overlap there is

>> with this list and the AAFP practicemgt list. Please email me, off

>> either/both lists with brief yes or no about whether you are on

>>Practicemgt. (I already know you are on if I get

>> a response from you)

>>

>>Email is

>> askaggs@...

>>

>>If you have a minute and the inclination, give me the main reason why

>> or why not on the AAFP list. No big research project there, I'm just

>> curious.

>>Thanks,

>>Annie

>>

February 13, 2006

I used to be on the AAFP Practice Mgt list, but not anymore. I left because so

many of the discussions were not applicable to my practice. Example: the

discussions about why some doctors could not understand why they received

warning letters from UHC for coding >50% of their visits as 99215/99205.

Besides, I also did not renew my AAFP membership & so I'm not eligible for that

list anymore. $665/year was just too much money!

>

> Date: 2006/02/12 Sun PM 03:28:03 EST

> To:

> Subject: Re: Show of (digital) hands, please

>

> No.

> Lots of email as is and can't keep up with more broad lists.

> G

> At 03:18 PM 2/12/2006, you wrote:

> >Shirley and I have been trying to decide how much overlap there is

> >with this list and the AAFP practicemgt list. Please email me, off

> >either/both lists with brief yes or no about whether you are on

> >Practicemgt. (I already know you are on if I

> >get a response from you)

> >

> >Email is askaggs@...

> >

> >If you have a minute and the inclination, give me the main reason

> >why or why not on the AAFP list. No big research project there, I'm

> >just curious.

> >Thanks,

> >Annie

> >

February 13, 2006

Same here. Used to subscribe and couldn't keep up with separating wheat/chaff. I find this list more relevant to me. SetoSouth Pasadena, CA No. Lots of email as is and can't keep up with more broad lists. G At 03:18 PM 2/12/2006, you wrote: Shirley and I have been trying to decide how much overlap there is with this list and the AAFP practicemgt list. Please email me, off either/both lists with brief yes or no about whether you are on Practicemgt. (I already know you are on if I get a response from you) Email is askaggs@... If you have a minute and the inclination, give me the main reason why or why not on the AAFP list. No big research project there, I’m just curious. Thanks, Annie

February 13, 2006

Well, you are missing a huge amount of gnashing

of teeth, but you can get a more controllable flavor for that part on www.drstiff.com

The other thing you miss is a huge

repository of “how to” support. I have learned a ton about billing,

coding and fighting denials from that group, and the answers are usually quick

in coming and well documented.

If you brave it, you just need to be

liberal with the delete button.

Annie

Re:

Show of (digital) hands, please

Ditto.

I barely retain the info for this list and can't

imagine trying to get

other ideas from another at the same time.

How much are we missing?

Tim

> No.

> Lots of email as is and can't keep up with

more broad lists.

> G

> At 03:18 PM 2/12/2006, you wrote:

>>Shirley and I have been trying to decide

how much overlap there is

>> with this list and the AAFP practicemgt

list. Please email me, off

>> either/both lists with brief yes or no

about whether you are on

>>Practicemgt. (I already know you are

on if I get

>> a response from you)

>>

>>Email is

>>

askaggs@...

>>

>>If you have a minute and the inclination,

give me the main reason why

>> or why not on the AAFP list. No big

research project there, I'm just

>> curious.

>>Thanks,

>>Annie

>>

February 13, 2006

Well, you are missing a huge amount of gnashing

of teeth, but you can get a more controllable flavor for that part on www.drstiff.com

The other thing you miss is a huge

repository of “how to” support. I have learned a ton about billing,

coding and fighting denials from that group, and the answers are usually quick

in coming and well documented.

If you brave it, you just need to be

liberal with the delete button.

Annie

Re:

Show of (digital) hands, please

Ditto.

I barely retain the info for this list and can't

imagine trying to get

other ideas from another at the same time.

How much are we missing?

Tim

> No.

> Lots of email as is and can't keep up with

more broad lists.

> G

> At 03:18 PM 2/12/2006, you wrote:

>>Shirley and I have been trying to decide

how much overlap there is

>> with this list and the AAFP practicemgt

list. Please email me, off

>> either/both lists with brief yes or no

about whether you are on

>>Practicemgt. (I already know you are

on if I get

>> a response from you)

>>

>>Email is

>>

askaggs@...

>>

>>If you have a minute and the inclination,

give me the main reason why

>> or why not on the AAFP list. No big

research project there, I'm just

>> curious.

>>Thanks,

>>Annie

>>

February 13, 2006

I used to be. Too much to read. But I did get a kick out of " Falbal " who always had something interesting to say.

I agree with Brent who said this one seems like family.

Naureen

February 13, 2006

I used to be. Too much to read. But I did get a kick out of " Falbal " who always had something interesting to say.

I agree with Brent who said this one seems like family.

Naureen

February 14, 2006

Beware: do not mention " Gordon " or " low overhead/low volume " or " no staff "

to Falbal. He gets all irritated quite easily if these things are brought up,

that was another reason I left the AAFP list.

>

> Date: 2006/02/13 Mon PM 05:34:28 EST

> To: < >

> Subject: Re: Show of (digital) hands, please

>

> I used to be. Too much to read. But I did get a kick out of " Falbal " who

> always had something interesting to say.

>

> I agree with Brent who said this one seems like family.

> Naureen

>

February 17, 2006

Hi Annie.. Just incidentally, I think you add a lot to the group and hope you stay with us forever. No, the MD in Drain is not on AAFP Practicemgt listserve.. Following what most MDs do in practice management is what got us into this mess in the first place. I could give you a long list of what is wrong with the system as it is, I suppose, but in general I think it is bad to continue to read things that imprint you with bad advice. If I want advice on coding, I ask coding specialists, not MDs. I avoid most of our honored management groups. Example: Medical Economics, that nasty free magazine they send out to all of us...Had an article on increasing your bottom line, with six MD "experts" who gave bottom line advice. The first article was about how awful it was to see less than 35 patients in a day. The man

actually seemed to mean it. He said one should fire anyone who does less or "train" them by having them follow a really fast MD who saw 75 patients in a day. Every time I see someone with a disease that could have killed them, which was missed by their 10 minute visit MD, I think about that article. Example: my residency managers took some management courses from some well admired medical management people back in 2001. These admired people showed them how to do something called 360 degree feedback. I would tell you more about this diabolical system for evaluating your employees if you want to know (my brother is a hot-shot second man in Weirhauser, so we talk about all the upper level management stuff for dinner conversation). By the time they were well established in this system they had lost all their old employees, could not keep employees longer than 8 months to a year,

and are still going strong in having poor employee morale. It still hasn't occurred to them to get rid of the management people, after all, the health care system admires them so... Until you can show me that some MD group actually changes this dying system for the better, I am not listening to them. Joanne Holland DVM/MDAnnie Skaggs wrote: Shirley and I have been trying to decide how much overlap there is with this list and the AAFP practicemgt list. Please email me, off either/both lists with brief yes or no about whether you are on Practicemgt. (I already know you are on if I get a response from you) Email is askaggs@... If you have a minute and the inclination, give me the main reason why or why not on the AAFP list. No big research project there, I’m just curious. Thanks, Annie

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February 17, 2006

Yes, that article in Medical Economics was

very annoying. After reading it I thought: Thanks for the earth shattering

advice! See 35+ patients/day & you will make money! Of course who cares

about the quality of the patient’s care or the poor doctor’s

social/family life. Besides, I could not generate enough demand in my

community to see 35 pts/day every day even if I wanted to, unless I took every

patient that walked in the door (ie, all Medicaid, self pay, BWC, drug seekers,

etc).

Re:

Show of (digital) hands, please

Hi Annie..

Just incidentally, I think you add a lot to the

group and hope you stay with us forever.

No, the MD in Drain is not on AAFP Practicemgt

listserve.. Following what most MDs do in practice management is what got

us into this mess in the first place. I could give you a long list of what

is wrong with the system as it is, I suppose, but in general I think it is

bad to continue to read things that imprint you with bad advice. If

I want advice on coding, I ask coding specialists, not MDs. I avoid most

of our honored management groups.

Example: Medical

Economics, that nasty free magazine they send out to all of us...Had an article

on increasing your bottom line, with six MD " experts " who gave

bottom line advice. The first article was about how awful it was to

see less than 35 patients in a day. ! The man actually seemed to

mean it. He said one should fire anyone who does less or

" train " them by having them follow a really fast MD who saw 75

patients in a day. Every time I see someone with a disease that could

have killed them, which was missed by their 10 minute visit MD, I think about

that article.

Example: my

residency managers took some management courses from some well

admired medical management people back in 2001. These admired people

showed them how to do something called 360 degree feedback. I would tell

you more about this diabolical system for evaluating your employees if you

want to know (my brother is a hot-shot second man in Weirhauser, so we

talk about all the upper level management stuff for

dinner conversation). By the time they were well established in

this system they had lost all their old employees, could not keep employees

longer than 8 months to! a year, and are still going strong in having poor

employee morale. It still hasn't occurred to them to get rid of the

management people, after all, the health care system admires them so...

Until you can show me that some MD

group actually changes this dying system for the better, I am not listening to

them.

Joanne Holland DVM/MD

Annie Skaggs

wrote:

Shirley and I have been

trying to decide how much overlap there is with this list and the AAFP

practicemgt list. Please email me, off either/both lists with brief yes or no

about whether you are on Practicemgt. (I already know you are on

if I get a response from you)

Email is askaggs@...

If you have a minute and

the inclination, give me the main reason why or why not on the AAFP list. No

big research project there, I’m just curious.

Thanks,

Annie

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February 17, 2006

Yes, that article in Medical Economics was

very annoying. After reading it I thought: Thanks for the earth shattering

advice! See 35+ patients/day & you will make money! Of course who cares

about the quality of the patient’s care or the poor doctor’s

social/family life. Besides, I could not generate enough demand in my

community to see 35 pts/day every day even if I wanted to, unless I took every

patient that walked in the door (ie, all Medicaid, self pay, BWC, drug seekers,

etc).

Re:

Show of (digital) hands, please

Hi Annie..

Just incidentally, I think you add a lot to the

group and hope you stay with us forever.

No, the MD in Drain is not on AAFP Practicemgt

listserve.. Following what most MDs do in practice management is what got

us into this mess in the first place. I could give you a long list of what

is wrong with the system as it is, I suppose, but in general I think it is

bad to continue to read things that imprint you with bad advice. If

I want advice on coding, I ask coding specialists, not MDs. I avoid most

of our honored management groups.

Example: Medical

Economics, that nasty free magazine they send out to all of us...Had an article

on increasing your bottom line, with six MD " experts " who gave

bottom line advice. The first article was about how awful it was to

see less than 35 patients in a day. ! The man actually seemed to

mean it. He said one should fire anyone who does less or

" train " them by having them follow a really fast MD who saw 75

patients in a day. Every time I see someone with a disease that could

have killed them, which was missed by their 10 minute visit MD, I think about

that article.

Example: my

residency managers took some management courses from some well

admired medical management people back in 2001. These admired people

showed them how to do something called 360 degree feedback. I would tell

you more about this diabolical system for evaluating your employees if you

want to know (my brother is a hot-shot second man in Weirhauser, so we

talk about all the upper level management stuff for

dinner conversation). By the time they were well established in

this system they had lost all their old employees, could not keep employees

longer than 8 months to! a year, and are still going strong in having poor

employee morale. It still hasn't occurred to them to get rid of the

management people, after all, the health care system admires them so...

Until you can show me that some MD

group actually changes this dying system for the better, I am not listening to

them.

Joanne Holland DVM/MD

Annie Skaggs

wrote:

Shirley and I have been

trying to decide how much overlap there is with this list and the AAFP

practicemgt list. Please email me, off either/both lists with brief yes or no

about whether you are on Practicemgt. (I already know you are on

if I get a response from you)

Email is askaggs@...

If you have a minute and

the inclination, give me the main reason why or why not on the AAFP list. No

big research project there, I’m just curious.

Thanks,

Annie

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February 18, 2006

Hi Joanne in Drain,

I hear Oregon is beautiful, so why call anyplace after plumbing parts?

;-> (hope

you have a sense of humor) Thanks

for your input. I agree that “fast”

medicine is lousy medicine. Still,

I hope that by learning as much as I can, from any source, maybe I can survive

even by giving good care…..I’ll let you know.

I also think you have lots of wisdom to

share and hope you keep it up.

About that long list of what is wrong with the system…..I’m listening..

Annie

Re:

Show of (digital) hands, please

Hi Annie..

Just incidentally, I think you add a lot to the

group and hope you stay with us forever.

No, the MD in Drain is not on AAFP Practicemgt

listserve.. Following what most MDs do in practice management is what got

us into this mess in the first place. I could give you a long list of what

is wrong with the system as it is, I suppose, but in general I think it is

bad to continue to read things that imprint you with bad advice. If

I want advice on coding, I ask coding specialists, not MDs. I avoid most

of our honored management groups.

Example: Medical

Economics, that nasty free magazine they send out to all of us...Had an article

on increasing your bottom line, with six MD " experts " who gave

bottom line advice. The first article was about how awful it was to

see less than 35 patients in a day. The man actually seemed to mean

it. He said one should fire anyone who does less or " train "

them by having them follow a really fast MD who saw 75 patients in a day.

Every time I see someone with a disease that could have killed them, which was

missed by their 10 minute visit MD, I think about that article.

Example: my

residency managers took some management courses from some well

admired medical management people back in 2001. These admired people

showed them how to do something called 360 degree feedback. I would tell

you more about this diabolical system for evaluating your employees if you

want to know (my brother is a hot-shot second man in Weirhauser, so we

talk about all the upper level management stuff for

dinner conversation). By the time they were well established in

this system they had lost all their old employees, could not keep employees

longer than 8 months to a year, and are still going strong in having poor

employee morale. It still hasn't occurred to them to get rid of the

management people, after all, the health care system admires them so...

Until you can show me that some MD group

actually changes this dying system for the better, I am not listening to them.

Joanne Holland DVM/MD

Annie Skaggs

wrote:

Shirley and I have been

trying to decide how much overlap there is with this list and the AAFP

practicemgt list. Please email me,

off either/both lists with brief yes or no about whether you are on

Practicemgt. (I already know you

are on if I get a response from you)

Email is askaggs@...

If you have a minute and

the inclination, give me the main reason why or why not on the AAFP list. No big research project there, I’m

just curious.

Thanks,

Annie

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February 18, 2006