Guest guest Posted July 24, 2001 Report Share Posted July 24, 2001 Here is the best I could find on his website regarding this topic and he addresses using carbs before and after working out. I don't see anything new about avoiding carbs for the last meal of the day, but it makes sense to me since if you didn't eat carbs for your last meal, you would burn more fat in your sleep, right? Should I eat something before I work out—like an energy bar? A: This depends on what your goal is. Now, if your only concern is athletic performance, you should consume carbohydrates—like an energy bar or a sports drink—before, during, and after your physical activity. However, if your goal is to lose fat and gain muscle, I do not recommend eating before your workout. This is a mistake many people make. You see, if you supply your body with carbohydrates to use as fuel while you're exercising, you will slow down fat loss. That's why I recommend, for maximum fat-burning effects, you exercise on an empty stomach. Andyman > > Sounds to me like you are doing it to maximize your efforts and > there > > is nothing in the BFL book that says you can't have carbs after the > > post workout meal. > > > > Andyman > > No, but Bill later amended that. It was talked about on > this list quite a while ago, perhaps before you were here. > > Regards, > AndyD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2001 Report Share Posted July 24, 2001 Here is the best I could find on his website regarding this topic and he addresses using carbs before and after working out. I don't see anything new about avoiding carbs for the last meal of the day, but it makes sense to me since if you didn't eat carbs for your last meal, you would burn more fat in your sleep, right? Should I eat something before I work out—like an energy bar? A: This depends on what your goal is. Now, if your only concern is athletic performance, you should consume carbohydrates—like an energy bar or a sports drink—before, during, and after your physical activity. However, if your goal is to lose fat and gain muscle, I do not recommend eating before your workout. This is a mistake many people make. You see, if you supply your body with carbohydrates to use as fuel while you're exercising, you will slow down fat loss. That's why I recommend, for maximum fat-burning effects, you exercise on an empty stomach. Andyman > > Sounds to me like you are doing it to maximize your efforts and > there > > is nothing in the BFL book that says you can't have carbs after the > > post workout meal. > > > > Andyman > > No, but Bill later amended that. It was talked about on > this list quite a while ago, perhaps before you were here. > > Regards, > AndyD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2001 Report Share Posted July 24, 2001 Some people believe that there is a quick fix with weight loss/fat loss. For some, that myth is to eliminate carbs/reduce carbs, etc. In plain black and white truth: it is NOT carbs that make you fat, nor is it fat, nor is it protein, it IS the excessive amount of calories one consumes. Your body prefers carbs for fuel. Eat plenty of protein and carbs along with healthy fats. Carbs are fuel, protein is for muscle structure, and fats are necessary for vital processes within the body. The key to fat loss is total calories versus calories expended. You cannot speed up fat loss by eliminating the carb at night. Boy, will I get flamed for this message. MP > All, re: " We're all agreed that in the BFL range of eating if you > want to > maximize fat-burning you skip the carb portion at one of your > meals. " I was looking in thie BFL book and couldn't find this. Did I > miss something? I want to lose a lot of fat, should I be skipping > the carbs in a meal because if so I'm messing up. Jeanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2001 Report Share Posted July 24, 2001 Some people believe that there is a quick fix with weight loss/fat loss. For some, that myth is to eliminate carbs/reduce carbs, etc. In plain black and white truth: it is NOT carbs that make you fat, nor is it fat, nor is it protein, it IS the excessive amount of calories one consumes. Your body prefers carbs for fuel. Eat plenty of protein and carbs along with healthy fats. Carbs are fuel, protein is for muscle structure, and fats are necessary for vital processes within the body. The key to fat loss is total calories versus calories expended. You cannot speed up fat loss by eliminating the carb at night. Boy, will I get flamed for this message. MP > All, re: " We're all agreed that in the BFL range of eating if you > want to > maximize fat-burning you skip the carb portion at one of your > meals. " I was looking in thie BFL book and couldn't find this. Did I > miss something? I want to lose a lot of fat, should I be skipping > the carbs in a meal because if so I'm messing up. Jeanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2001 Report Share Posted July 24, 2001 > It is not in the book. It is one of Hussmann's tweaks. > > Andyman Yeah, and well, I know what Hussman's tweaks did for me. Absolutely NOTHING!!!! BFL by the book. Ten years to develop. BFL by the book! MP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2001 Report Share Posted July 24, 2001 > It is not in the book. It is one of Hussmann's tweaks. > > Andyman Yeah, and well, I know what Hussman's tweaks did for me. Absolutely NOTHING!!!! BFL by the book. Ten years to develop. BFL by the book! MP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2001 Report Share Posted July 24, 2001 Glenda, No flames here for that sensible, sound, common-sensical advice. Read EVERY muscle/fitness magazine you can get your hands on and they will tell you the EXACT same thing - lean protein, quality carbs and good fats are what you need for a fit body. Sara Some people believe that there is a quick fix with weight loss/fat loss. For some, that myth is to eliminate carbs/reduce carbs, etc. In plain black and white truth: it is NOT carbs that make you fat, nor is it fat, nor is it protein, it IS the excessive amount of calories one consumes.Your body prefers carbs for fuel. Eat plenty of protein and carbs along with healthy fats. Carbs are fuel, protein is for muscle structure, and fats are necessary for vital processes within the body. The key to fat loss is total calories versus calories expended. You cannot speed up fat loss by eliminating the carb at night. Boy, will I get flamed for this message.MP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2001 Report Share Posted July 24, 2001 Glenda, No flames here for that sensible, sound, common-sensical advice. Read EVERY muscle/fitness magazine you can get your hands on and they will tell you the EXACT same thing - lean protein, quality carbs and good fats are what you need for a fit body. Sara Some people believe that there is a quick fix with weight loss/fat loss. For some, that myth is to eliminate carbs/reduce carbs, etc. In plain black and white truth: it is NOT carbs that make you fat, nor is it fat, nor is it protein, it IS the excessive amount of calories one consumes.Your body prefers carbs for fuel. Eat plenty of protein and carbs along with healthy fats. Carbs are fuel, protein is for muscle structure, and fats are necessary for vital processes within the body. The key to fat loss is total calories versus calories expended. You cannot speed up fat loss by eliminating the carb at night. Boy, will I get flamed for this message.MP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2001 Report Share Posted July 24, 2001 In the end, it really does all boil down to calories expended vs. calories consumed. Andyman > Glenda, > > No flames here for that sensible, sound, common-sensical advice. Read EVERY muscle/fitness magazine you can get your hands on and they will tell you the EXACT same thing - lean protein, quality carbs and good fats are what you need for a fit body. > > Sara > > Some people believe that there is a quick fix with weight loss/fat > loss. For some, that myth is to eliminate carbs/reduce carbs, etc. > In plain black and white truth: it is NOT carbs that make you fat, > nor is it fat, nor is it protein, it IS the excessive amount of > calories one consumes. > > Your body prefers carbs for fuel. Eat plenty of protein and carbs > along with healthy fats. Carbs are fuel, protein is for muscle > structure, and fats are necessary for vital processes within the > body. The key to fat loss is total calories versus calories > expended. You cannot speed up fat loss by eliminating the carb at > night. > > Boy, will I get flamed for this message. > > MP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2001 Report Share Posted July 24, 2001 In the end, it really does all boil down to calories expended vs. calories consumed. Andyman > Glenda, > > No flames here for that sensible, sound, common-sensical advice. Read EVERY muscle/fitness magazine you can get your hands on and they will tell you the EXACT same thing - lean protein, quality carbs and good fats are what you need for a fit body. > > Sara > > Some people believe that there is a quick fix with weight loss/fat > loss. For some, that myth is to eliminate carbs/reduce carbs, etc. > In plain black and white truth: it is NOT carbs that make you fat, > nor is it fat, nor is it protein, it IS the excessive amount of > calories one consumes. > > Your body prefers carbs for fuel. Eat plenty of protein and carbs > along with healthy fats. Carbs are fuel, protein is for muscle > structure, and fats are necessary for vital processes within the > body. The key to fat loss is total calories versus calories > expended. You cannot speed up fat loss by eliminating the carb at > night. > > Boy, will I get flamed for this message. > > MP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2001 Report Share Posted July 25, 2001 > Here is the best I could find on his website regarding this topic > and he addresses using carbs before and after working out. > However, if your goal is to lose fat and gain muscle, I do not > recommend eating before your workout. This is a mistake many people > make. You see, if you supply your body with carbohydrates to use as > fuel while you're exercising, you will slow down fat loss. Absolutely. But notice he specifies *carbs*. This is why in NHE Rob Faigin advises against pre-workout carbs but *for* pre-workout protein and fat (moderate calories). Regards, AndyD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2001 Report Share Posted July 25, 2001 > Here is the best I could find on his website regarding this topic > and he addresses using carbs before and after working out. > However, if your goal is to lose fat and gain muscle, I do not > recommend eating before your workout. This is a mistake many people > make. You see, if you supply your body with carbohydrates to use as > fuel while you're exercising, you will slow down fat loss. Absolutely. But notice he specifies *carbs*. This is why in NHE Rob Faigin advises against pre-workout carbs but *for* pre-workout protein and fat (moderate calories). Regards, AndyD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2001 Report Share Posted July 25, 2001 > In plain black and white truth: it is NOT carbs that make you fat, > nor is it fat, nor is it protein, it IS the excessive amount of > calories one consumes. In part. But there is also the matter of insulin levels to consider. When insulin is elevated, then dietary fat is more readily stored as bodyfat. Carbs elevate insulin, and therefore when people go on a diet such as Atkins, which includes lots of fat but very low carbs, they still manage to lose weight. The fat they're consuming isn't being consumed in the presence of high insulin, and therefore it doesn't get stored as bodyfat. Rather, their bodies become reconditioned to *rely* on fat for fuel. (I am NOT saying by this that one should always low-carb. I am merely pointing out what in fact happens when one does low-carb for a period of time.) > Your body prefers carbs for fuel. Eat plenty of protein and carbs > along with healthy fats. This is not at all an unhealthy diet, but it's incorrect to say the body " prefers " carbs for fuel. The body can be conditioned to prefer either carbs or fat for fuel. This is why some nutritionists prefer carb-cycling: low-carbing temporarily for enhanced fat-burning, interspersed by carb-loading to replenish glycogen for intense workouts. > Carbs are fuel, protein is for muscle > structure, and fats are necessary for vital processes within the > body. Again, partly correct; fat itself can also serve as the primary fuel source if the body is reconditioned for it. > The key to fat loss is total calories versus calories > expended. You cannot speed up fat loss by eliminating the carb at > night. I agree. > Boy, will I get flamed for this message. Not by me. :-) Regards, Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2001 Report Share Posted July 25, 2001 > In plain black and white truth: it is NOT carbs that make you fat, > nor is it fat, nor is it protein, it IS the excessive amount of > calories one consumes. In part. But there is also the matter of insulin levels to consider. When insulin is elevated, then dietary fat is more readily stored as bodyfat. Carbs elevate insulin, and therefore when people go on a diet such as Atkins, which includes lots of fat but very low carbs, they still manage to lose weight. The fat they're consuming isn't being consumed in the presence of high insulin, and therefore it doesn't get stored as bodyfat. Rather, their bodies become reconditioned to *rely* on fat for fuel. (I am NOT saying by this that one should always low-carb. I am merely pointing out what in fact happens when one does low-carb for a period of time.) > Your body prefers carbs for fuel. Eat plenty of protein and carbs > along with healthy fats. This is not at all an unhealthy diet, but it's incorrect to say the body " prefers " carbs for fuel. The body can be conditioned to prefer either carbs or fat for fuel. This is why some nutritionists prefer carb-cycling: low-carbing temporarily for enhanced fat-burning, interspersed by carb-loading to replenish glycogen for intense workouts. > Carbs are fuel, protein is for muscle > structure, and fats are necessary for vital processes within the > body. Again, partly correct; fat itself can also serve as the primary fuel source if the body is reconditioned for it. > The key to fat loss is total calories versus calories > expended. You cannot speed up fat loss by eliminating the carb at > night. I agree. > Boy, will I get flamed for this message. Not by me. :-) Regards, Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2001 Report Share Posted July 25, 2001 Glenda, I'm glad you posted this. It demonstrates that different systems will achieve different results for different people. Therefore, although some may benefit from Hussman's advice, you apparently have not. In like manner, although some may benefit from carb-cycling, perhaps you wouldn't be among them. Best wishes, Andy > > It is not in the book. It is one of Hussmann's tweaks. > > > > Andyman > > Yeah, and well, I know what Hussman's tweaks did for me. Absolutely > NOTHING!!!! BFL by the book. Ten years to develop. BFL by the book! > > MP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2001 Report Share Posted July 25, 2001 Glenda, I'm glad you posted this. It demonstrates that different systems will achieve different results for different people. Therefore, although some may benefit from Hussman's advice, you apparently have not. In like manner, although some may benefit from carb-cycling, perhaps you wouldn't be among them. Best wishes, Andy > > It is not in the book. It is one of Hussmann's tweaks. > > > > Andyman > > Yeah, and well, I know what Hussman's tweaks did for me. Absolutely > NOTHING!!!! BFL by the book. Ten years to develop. BFL by the book! > > MP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2001 Report Share Posted July 25, 2001 Yes, I've read the book, but I may forget a few elements of it; please bear in mind that I'm not the only one who's of the impression that Bill has changed his advice since the original publication of BFL, so why single me out? It's merely because you dislike me. And no, I didn't trash it - because as I've repeatedly pointed out whether you refuse to recognize it or not, I have never " trashed " BFL. I gave my copy to my girlfriend. Funny that I'd give the BFL book to someone I care about if I thought it was a bad book, eh? Lana, I'd be happy to bury the sarcasm on my part if you'd do the same on yours. Regards, Andy > Have you actually read the book? Might dig it out of the trash and read it > again then, because he says in the book to wait an hour to eat a > carb/protein if your goal is to burn fat. > > Lana > > Re: to Andy (neo) CARBS > > > >Following the book, though, will be going *against* ' later > >advice to wait 1 hour after the workout before the first meal. > > > >Regards, > >Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2001 Report Share Posted July 25, 2001 Yes, I've read the book, but I may forget a few elements of it; please bear in mind that I'm not the only one who's of the impression that Bill has changed his advice since the original publication of BFL, so why single me out? It's merely because you dislike me. And no, I didn't trash it - because as I've repeatedly pointed out whether you refuse to recognize it or not, I have never " trashed " BFL. I gave my copy to my girlfriend. Funny that I'd give the BFL book to someone I care about if I thought it was a bad book, eh? Lana, I'd be happy to bury the sarcasm on my part if you'd do the same on yours. Regards, Andy > Have you actually read the book? Might dig it out of the trash and read it > again then, because he says in the book to wait an hour to eat a > carb/protein if your goal is to burn fat. > > Lana > > Re: to Andy (neo) CARBS > > > >Following the book, though, will be going *against* ' later > >advice to wait 1 hour after the workout before the first meal. > > > >Regards, > >Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2001 Report Share Posted July 25, 2001 > Where did you get that you should only have 102 g of protein per > day. With BFL it is recommended that you have at least 1 gm per lb > of lean body mass (some people use total weight though). My reasoning is that it should be 1g protein per 1 lb. lean weight if one is only trying to maintain their muscle mass, but 1g protein per 1 lb. *total* weight if one is trying to *build* muscle. This is just what makes sense in my mind; I'm not saying I have any scientific studies to back up this specific approach. Regards, AndyD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2001 Report Share Posted July 25, 2001 > Where did you get that you should only have 102 g of protein per > day. With BFL it is recommended that you have at least 1 gm per lb > of lean body mass (some people use total weight though). My reasoning is that it should be 1g protein per 1 lb. lean weight if one is only trying to maintain their muscle mass, but 1g protein per 1 lb. *total* weight if one is trying to *build* muscle. This is just what makes sense in my mind; I'm not saying I have any scientific studies to back up this specific approach. Regards, AndyD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2001 Report Share Posted July 25, 2001 I try to get just a little bit more than my lean body mass. If I would eat the same amount of protein as my scale weight, I'd look like a wrestler in no time at all. MP > What is everyone else doing here? I get at least as much protein as > my body weight. > > Andyman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2001 Report Share Posted July 26, 2001 I do the same. > What is everyone else doing here? I get at least as much protein as > my body weight. > > Andyman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2001 Report Share Posted July 26, 2001 I do the same. > What is everyone else doing here? I get at least as much protein as > my body weight. > > Andyman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2001 Report Share Posted July 26, 2001 I do the same. > What is everyone else doing here? I get at least as much protein as > my body weight. > > Andyman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2001 Report Share Posted July 26, 2001 Wouldn't that require steroids, though? > > What is everyone else doing here? I get at least as much protein > as > > my body weight. > > > > Andyman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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