pepto bismol diet - Glutenator

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Hmmm, the name " Glutenator " is surplanting " Heidi " in my mind. LOL! Next,

you'll be signing your posts " Glutenator " :-P

Question, GJ, regarding the PB diet. You said that people eat just meat,

veggies and fruit while taking PB 3x per day for 10 days, right? And then

they add other foods back in one at a time, and that this is a decent test

of IGA allergies? Well, I'm considering doing this and I was wondering if

" meat, veggies and fruit " means just *that* and nothing else. Such as no

butter, celtic salt or other condiment? What about drinks? Would kombucha or

drinks other than water be OK? And what about supplements? I can give up all

my supps for 10 days except perhaps for my Armour thyroid. I'd like to

continue with my bonemeal as well, since by blood Ca tested a bit low this

fall. BUT, if it's a total no-no on the PB diet, will give it up. And

lastly, probiotics - are they a " no-no " on the PB diet? Like PD, for

example? or Fervita (fermented fruits and herbs)?

Also, do you know what kind of reactions folks typically get when they add

an offending food back in after the 10 day trial? I realize it might be

different for different people, but I was wondering what to keep my eyes out

for? For me, my bloating is obvious, so that would be one BIG clue, I'd

guess. I just hope it goes down if I try the PB diet!

Any info would be greatly appreciated, your Glutenatorness :-)

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

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" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

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>Hmmm, the name " Glutenator " is surplanting " Heidi " in my mind. LOL! Next,

>you'll be signing your posts " Glutenator " :-P

Well, it has the advantage that there is unlikely to be ANOTHER one lurking!

>Question, GJ, regarding the PB diet. You said that people eat just meat,

>veggies and fruit while taking PB 3x per day for 10 days, right? And then

>they add other foods back in one at a time, and that this is a decent test

>of IGA allergies?

Not necessarily ONLY IgA allergies. All it tells you is that the food bothers

you,

not WHY it is bothering you. As has pointed out, some people react

to starches because they are starch, not because they are allergic to them,

and lactose intolerance isn't an allergy either.

And it doesn't tell you if it is an IgA or IgG problem ... which is kind of

important because the IgG problems sometimes go away, while the IgA

issues are more problematic. But the only way I know to tell the two

apart are with a stool test, and there isn't really enough research ...

> Well, I'm considering doing this and I was wondering if

> " meat, veggies and fruit " means just *that* and nothing else. Such as no

>butter, celtic salt or other condiment? What about drinks? Would kombucha or

>drinks other than water be OK? And what about supplements? I can give up all

>my supps for 10 days except perhaps for my Armour thyroid.

To be efficient, yep, it means JUST THAT. Condiments and butter etc. really do

mess it

up ... there are all kinds of stories about " unhealed celiacs " who turned out to

be on

some gluten-containing drug they weren't even thinking about. And it turned out

I was reating to my iodized salt (never really thought about SALT!). Kombucha is

really an active drug, so yeah, I'd avoid anything fermented. In it's purest

form,

on this diet you only eat purified amino acids and glucose, or some such.

However, I tend to assume salt and olive oil are " ok, " as well as spices. This

is really a quick-and-dirty test ... if you feel better after 10 days, then one

of the things you eliminated is likely the culprit. Some people do react to

some vegies and even meat too ... but the grains are the most common

proble.

> I'd like to

>continue with my bonemeal as well, since by blood Ca tested a bit low this

>fall. BUT, if it's a total no-no on the PB diet, will give it up. And

>lastly, probiotics - are they a " no-no " on the PB diet? Like PD, for

>example? or Fervita (fermented fruits and herbs)?

I'd keep the bonemeal and stop the probiotics. But again, this is something

people made up ... it's not like, been tested and okayed by some university.

Probiotics mask problems though ... and fermented foods contain a lot

of chemicals that do bother some folks.

>Also, do you know what kind of reactions folks typically get when they add

>an offending food back in after the 10 day trial? I realize it might be

>different for different people, but I was wondering what to keep my eyes out

>for? For me, my bloating is obvious, so that would be one BIG clue, I'd

>guess. I just hope it goes down if I try the PB diet!

Mostly the people who I've seen doing this have IBS symptoms (cramping and

" having to

go " after a meal, diarrhea, gas). I tend to get anxiety and nausea as symptoms

though,

and itching. Taking your pulse before and after a meal is a good idea. One guy

recommended

handwriting samples (if the food affects your nervous system, your handwriting

changes!

Really, I did it!). Stuffy nose can be a symptom, postnasal drip ... migraines,

of course.

If a food seems to cause a symptom, write it down (also write down the

negatives) and try it again a week later. Keep in mind that symptoms can

take from 1/2 hour to 2 days to appear, so a diary is really needed. And

a lot of patience. Doing this on the WD is a lot easier, because you can

track only one meal ... 3 meals a day and the symptoms tend to overlap

(something you feel at dinner may be a reaction to something at breakfast).

I have to say though, that my one " pizza trial " was so dramatic (after

being GF for a month) that there was no question of me ever repeating it.

I at two slices of pizza on an empty stomach and was a depressive anxious

nervous wreck for the rest of the evening. If you find yourself getting

REALLY emotional, take it with a grain of salt and resolve not to do

anything stupid (like sending emails to your boyfriend/girlfriend or

quitting your job). Red wine tends to stop the symptoms, for me, for

reasons I'm not clear on.

-- Glutenator Jean

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>>Question, GJ, regarding the PB diet. You said that people eat just meat,

>>veggies and fruit while taking PB 3x per day for 10 days, right? And then

>>they add other foods back in one at a time, and that this is a decent test

>>of IGA allergies?

>

>Not necessarily ONLY IgA allergies. All it tells you is that the

>food bothers you,

>not WHY it is bothering you. As has pointed out, some people react

>to starches because they are starch, not because they are allergic to them,

>and lactose intolerance isn't an allergy either.

>

>And it doesn't tell you if it is an IgA or IgG problem ... which is kind of

>important because the IgG problems sometimes go away, while the IgA

>issues are more problematic. But the only way I know to tell the two

>apart are with a stool test, and there isn't really enough research ...

OK, thanks, that makes sense.

>

>

>> Well, I'm considering doing this and I was wondering if

>> " meat, veggies and fruit " means just *that* and nothing else. Such as no

>>butter, celtic salt or other condiment? What about drinks? Would

>kombucha or

>>drinks other than water be OK? And what about supplements? I can

>give up all

>>my supps for 10 days except perhaps for my Armour thyroid.

>

>To be efficient, yep, it means JUST THAT. Condiments and butter

>etc. really do mess it

>up ... there are all kinds of stories about " unhealed celiacs " who

>turned out to be on

>some gluten-containing drug they weren't even thinking about. And

>it turned out

>I was reating to my iodized salt (never really thought about

>SALT!). Kombucha is

>really an active drug, so yeah, I'd avoid anything fermented.

I guess that excludes kimchi from the vegetable portion of the diet. Sigh...

In

>it's purest form,

>on this diet you only eat purified amino acids and glucose, or some such.

Yum! I get the idea.

>> I'd like to

>>continue with my bonemeal as well, since by blood Ca tested a bit low this

>>fall. BUT, if it's a total no-no on the PB diet, will give it up. And

>>lastly, probiotics - are they a " no-no " on the PB diet? Like PD, for

>>example? or Fervita (fermented fruits and herbs)?

>

>I'd keep the bonemeal and stop the probiotics. But again, this is something

>people made up ... it's not like, been tested and okayed by some

>university.

>Probiotics mask problems though ... and fermented foods contain a lot

>of chemicals that do bother some folks.

Right, good point. I forgot to ask about digestive enzymes? Should they be

taken on this diet, or might they too mask the problem? I'm thinking the

latter...

>

>

>>Also, do you know what kind of reactions folks typically get when they add

>>an offending food back in after the 10 day trial? I realize it might be

>>different for different people, but I was wondering what to keep

>my eyes out

>>for? For me, my bloating is obvious, so that would be one BIG clue, I'd

>>guess. I just hope it goes down if I try the PB diet!

>

>Mostly the people who I've seen doing this have IBS symptoms

>(cramping and " having to

>go " after a meal, diarrhea, gas).

As an FYI, according to Dr. Schulze it's desirable to " go " after every

meal - not diarhea of course, though. He studied primitive cultures to find

out the most natural frequency of deffication, and found that they always

went after a meal. This is the frequency he recommnends. As far as I know I

don't have IBS symtomps, I mainly have bloating. I do seem to have memory

problems of late as well, but have no idea if it's connected.

I tend to get anxiety and nausea

>as symptoms though,

>and itching. Taking your pulse before and after a meal is a good

>idea. One guy recommended

>handwriting samples (if the food affects your nervous system, your

>handwriting changes!

Wow, I wouldn't have thought of that!

>Really, I did it!). Stuffy nose can be a symptom, postnasal drip

>... migraines, of course.

>

>If a food seems to cause a symptom, write it down (also write down the

>negatives) and try it again a week later. Keep in mind that symptoms can

>take from 1/2 hour to 2 days to appear, so a diary is really needed. And

>a lot of patience. Doing this on the WD is a lot easier, because you can

>track only one meal ... 3 meals a day and the symptoms tend to overlap

>(something you feel at dinner may be a reaction to something at breakfast).

Right, but I do have a mid-morning snack, so I will have to track that as

well, to be sure.

>

>I have to say though, that my one " pizza trial " was so dramatic (after

>being GF for a month) that there was no question of me ever repeating it.

>I at two slices of pizza on an empty stomach and was a depressive anxious

>nervous wreck for the rest of the evening. If you find yourself getting

>REALLY emotional, take it with a grain of salt and resolve not to do

>anything stupid (like sending emails to your boyfriend/girlfriend or

>quitting your job). Red wine tends to stop the symptoms, for me, for

>reasons I'm not clear on.

OK, I was thinking of try bovine cream again around May when they are back

on grass. I will see if I have any reaction after being off it for a couple

of months.

Thanks for the guidance, your Glutenatorness! :-)

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

----------------------------

[Guest guest]

>Right, good point. I forgot to ask about digestive enzymes? Should they be

>taken on this diet, or might they too mask the problem? I'm thinking the

>latter...

I'd tend to think they would mask the problem, though they would

be good to experiment with later. Some people who get bloated

from milk, as I'm sure you know, do so from lactose intolerance,

not casein allergy, so taking lactase might make it possible to tell

the two apart. But I'd do it as a second step.

>As an FYI, according to Dr. Schulze it's desirable to " go " after every

>meal - not diarhea of course, though. He studied primitive cultures to find

>out the most natural frequency of deffication, and found that they always

>went after a meal. This is the frequency he recommnends. As far as I know I

>don't have IBS symtomps, I mainly have bloating. I do seem to have memory

>problems of late as well, but have no idea if it's connected.

I've heard the same things ... I DO tend to go after a meal, still, but

it's different than when the meal doesn't set right. Actually I don't

think I ever knew what it meant NOT to have odd feelings in the

gut until they stopped.

Memory problems can very much be connected. There's all

kinds of theories about that. What is interesting is that a

good portion of your nervous system is dedicated to your

gut (and a lot of the seratonin is used there too). Do you

remember an article awhile back called the " gut brain " ?

-- Her Glutenatoraness

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