Re: Kombucha Queries

[Guest guest]

Thanks for this information, Bill.... it certainly is food for thought.

I'm still not convinced that S/S is a bad material to use, however, I intend

to make my brews a little more acidic (as I like the taste). Therefore, I

think I might change to glass or ceramic to be on the safe side, since the

acid might just react with the steel.

I only wish there was a place to buy Kombucha containers and which you don't

need to take out a second mortage to pay for them <LOL>. I'm sure that if

somebody with a pottery were to make them, they would be run off their feet

with orders.

Regards

Pangie

-- Re: Kombucha Queries

Evening Pangie

I have a 2000 edition of the Bartholomew's book and I could not

mention stainless steel as a brewing container. The only place I've

seen it recommended is at Gunter 's site and in newer versions

of his books. I really question if stainless steel has not gotten a

bad reputation by association with metal containers. There has been

real improvement in stainless steel in the past 10 years. My

personal opinion which may on the list will disagree with is that

high quality stainless particularly that designed for beer making

would be okay for fermentation. The one thing that does some what

bothers me is that I can find no research that states that it has

been tested. With the research has done on Kombucha I would not

think he would recommend if it had not been tested (personal

opinion). On the other hand Roussin specifically look for

toxins from plastics and in " Analyses of Kombucha Ferments " , He makes

two references to plastics. On page 30 he states " No toxins were

found in the Kombucha fermented in Tupperware " and on page 31, " The

lesson here is that " baggies " are not suitable for storing Kombucha

tea or Kombucha colonies for more than a few days. "

At

<http://health.groups.yahoo

com/group/original_kombucha/files/Kombucha%20Threads/Kombucha%20Threads/>http

//health.groups.yahoo

com/group/original_kombucha/files/Kombucha%20Threads/Kombucha%20Threads/

under Plastics the he states, "

Well, we've looked at Kombucha in pop bottles, Kombucha in

Tupperware, Kombucha in " food grade plastic fermenting containers " ,

and Kombucha in plastic in general. So far, it's a personal choice,

glass or plastic does not effect the ferment, and does not provide

petrochemicals in solution. That's both ferment and storage. "

Wish I could fins something similar for Stainless Steel

Bill

>Hello There

>

>I'm from South Wales, fairly new to brewing Kombucha and have a few

>questions about it.

>

>Question on the Container: I saw that somebody said here that they did not

>recommend using stainless steel as a brewing container. I am very confused,

>as I have bought and am using an expensive two-gallon stainless steel

>container, after a recommendation from a book.

>

>Before buying all the equipment, I followed directions in the book:

>Kombucha Tea For Your Health and Healing: The Most In-depth Guide Available

>by Alick & Mari Bartholomew. This book was recommended as one of the best

>on the market by the Kombucha Website. The book states that you can use

>glass, ceramic, or stainless steel. Since I could not find a suitable

>container in glass or ceramic, I decided on stainless steel. So, are the

>experts in this group saying that we should NOT using stainless steel?

[Guest guest]

Hi Bill and EveryOne,

There is a file in the FILES section of the list homepage about

Plastics and Kombucha. As I recall there is some information in there

about Plastic and estrogen mimics and their may be links too. Here is

a link on the subject which is in the links section of the list homepage.

https://ssl.thegreenguide.com/reports/prodprem.mhtml?id=44

Peace, Love and Harmony,

Bev

- In original_kombucha , Bill Fieszel wrote:

>

> Hi V

>

> Interesting enough he did find toxin from baggie use ship SCOBE and

> KT that had been stored for what about 30 days? I know you've

> recommended a certain type in the past that you feel is safe. I agree

> with you about not accepting this research or for that fact any

> single research as the last word. What one research project find and

> other normally finds a condition. I pass it along as the most current

> research done in the area that I'm aware of. I know nothing about

> estrogen mimicker but would to gain some knowledge. Can you point me

> to some good sites on the subject?

>

> Bill

>

>

>

>

> > >At

> > ><<http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/original_kombucha/files/Komb

> >

ucha%20Threads/Kombucha%20Threads/>http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/original\

_kombucha/files/Kombucha%20Threads/Kombucha%20Threads/>http://health.groups.yaho\

o.com/group/original_kombucha/files/Kombucha%20Threads/Kombucha%20Threads/

> >

> > >

> > >under Plastics the he states, "

> > >Well, we've looked at Kombucha in pop bottles, Kombucha in

> > >Tupperware, Kombucha in " food grade plastic fermenting containers " ,

> > >and Kombucha in plastic in general. So far, it's a personal choice,

> > >glass or plastic does not effect the ferment, and does not provide

> > >petrochemicals in solution. That's both ferment and storage. "

> >

> >And I have stated that labs find what labs look for. The issue with

> >plastics is not so much petrochemicals, but estrogen mimickers. I doubt

> >very much that is what Roussin looked for, and when I have asked him to

> >clarify, I have heard no word. I do not think these statements

should be

> >taken as assurance that plastics are safe. Plastics are

> >questionable. Plastics are not made for constant contact with highly

> >acidic liquids. Kombucha is much more acidic than beer. I caution

people

> >against accepting this research as the last word.

> >

> >--V

> >

> >~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> >--A.J. Muste

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Bill and EveryOne,

There is a file in the FILES section of the list homepage about

Plastics and Kombucha. As I recall there is some information in there

about Plastic and estrogen mimics and their may be links too. Here is

a link on the subject which is in the links section of the list homepage.

https://ssl.thegreenguide.com/reports/prodprem.mhtml?id=44

Peace, Love and Harmony,

Bev

- In original_kombucha , Bill Fieszel wrote:

>

> Hi V

>

> Interesting enough he did find toxin from baggie use ship SCOBE and

> KT that had been stored for what about 30 days? I know you've

> recommended a certain type in the past that you feel is safe. I agree

> with you about not accepting this research or for that fact any

> single research as the last word. What one research project find and

> other normally finds a condition. I pass it along as the most current

> research done in the area that I'm aware of. I know nothing about

> estrogen mimicker but would to gain some knowledge. Can you point me

> to some good sites on the subject?

>

> Bill

>

>

>

>

> > >At

> > ><<http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/original_kombucha/files/Komb

> >

ucha%20Threads/Kombucha%20Threads/>http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/original\

_kombucha/files/Kombucha%20Threads/Kombucha%20Threads/>http://health.groups.yaho\

o.com/group/original_kombucha/files/Kombucha%20Threads/Kombucha%20Threads/

> >

> > >

> > >under Plastics the he states, "

> > >Well, we've looked at Kombucha in pop bottles, Kombucha in

> > >Tupperware, Kombucha in " food grade plastic fermenting containers " ,

> > >and Kombucha in plastic in general. So far, it's a personal choice,

> > >glass or plastic does not effect the ferment, and does not provide

> > >petrochemicals in solution. That's both ferment and storage. "

> >

> >And I have stated that labs find what labs look for. The issue with

> >plastics is not so much petrochemicals, but estrogen mimickers. I doubt

> >very much that is what Roussin looked for, and when I have asked him to

> >clarify, I have heard no word. I do not think these statements

should be

> >taken as assurance that plastics are safe. Plastics are

> >questionable. Plastics are not made for constant contact with highly

> >acidic liquids. Kombucha is much more acidic than beer. I caution

people

> >against accepting this research as the last word.

> >

> >--V

> >

> >~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> >--A.J. Muste

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>Yes Joyce,

> You are correct. I work part time in a winery and I have

>been making beer and wine for 10+ years. Both beer and wine are aged

>in Stainless steel. The beers that are fermented with Lactobacillus

>cannot be stored in stainles and therefore must be fermented in Glass

>or better yet, wooden barrels. The acid in the beer and the Kombucha

>will attack the steel and cause bad off flavors.

>

>

Thank you .

Chemically, if off-flavors are generated, by definition molecules of the

metal are involved. People don't want molecules of metal in their kombucha.

As I said earlier, kombucha is a highly acidic liquid, unlike wine or most

beers, with the exception of the ones you've described. Much appreciate

the input.

--V

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

In message <45D38871.00002C.01196@PANGIE> you wrote:

> Pity they are so hard to come by. I want something that can hold at

> least a gallon without letting in too much light.

Ah, Pangie, some time ago I found a plain glass vase at the Wilcos hardware

store which can hold 5 litres plus = about a gallon. It's my favourite

brewing vessel. I also brew in an assortment of 2 and 3 1/2 litre glass

jars, plus several 5 litre buckets which I purchased from a Kombucha

supplier. These are foodgrade 1 very stable plastic containers which have

never given me any trouble. Although I do prefer brewing in glass, because

of the quantities I brew I need to resort to my buckets as well.

BTW, although direct sunlight is not ideal for the brew, light is not a bad

thing for it, so there is no need to jump into dark cupboards ;-).

>

> ......I think I would have continued to make mistakes. I would like

> to perfect my brew and make it the best I can.... it

> is just going to take a little time.

Well, Pangie, I'm laughing to myself ;-) After about 20 years I am still

experimenting and twigging things and trying to 'perfect' things, and I've

come to the conclusion : It's an eternal learning process we can learn

to enjoy and share with others and not taking ourselves too seriously :-)

A culture's going to hit Wales pretty soon, no fear!

Happy bubbles,

Margret:-)

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[Guest guest]

Mmmm... maybe they found out that S/S is not so safe after all. I think I'm

going to look for a replacement. I guess it is better to be safe than sorry

Pity they are so hard to come by. I want something that can hold at least a

gallon without letting in too much light.

I really appreciate your advice... it has helped me tremendously. This

group is awesome. Without it, I think I would have continued to make

mistakes. I would like to perfect my brew and make it the best I can.... it

is just going to take a little time.

Kindest regards

Pangie

-- Re: Kombucha Queries

Hi Pangie

Here is the link for 's site: http://www.kombu.de/english.htm.

His reference to Stainless steel is under " How to make your own

Kombucha Tea " step 5.

Your right there is reference to Stainless Steel in the section

" Which Container to Use? " .I find it interesting that the

Bartholomew's have changed this section to read:

" Stainless steel is probably not a good material to use as a

container, as cheaper types can discolour the liquid. "

I would gather from that and the change from your 1999 edition that

high quality Stainless may be okay to use.

Another thing I find interesting is the comment in the same section:

" They have a very small opening at the top, are usually made from

plastic and are definitely not suitable for Kombucha tea, as it will

leach toxins(even from food grade plastic). "

This is in direct contrast to what Roussin's findings. His

site is: http://kombucha-research.com/.

Best

Bill

>Hello Bill

>

>Mmmm.... I am using the 1999 edition. It is on page 37 entitled " What

>Container to Use? " I'll quote from the book:

>

> " It is possible to use any large container without a tap like a ceramic

>bread crock or enamel container (without chips). You will have to scoop out

>your liquid from the top of the container with a ladle or jug which,

>although not quite so convenient, is no grea hardship either " .

>

>The same guidelines apply to these larger containers as in the Batch

Brewing

>Method, so no aluminium or plastic. Stainless steel is a good material to

>use as a container, they are easy to buy if not expensive " .

>

>The container I am using is actually a large bread bin with a lid (which I

>don't use). It is quite a heavy gauge.

>

>Is it possible to give me the link to Gunter 's site? I would be very

>interested to see what he says about using S/S. Very interesting

>information on using Tuppaware and food-grade plastics. It is not that I

>would want to use this type of container but when you have no access to

>large glass or ceramic containers, it is good to know that food-grade

>plastics will not effect the brew.

>

>I shall check out the links you have sent.... I would like to learn as much

>as I can about all the things that can or cannot affect Kombucha cultures.

>

>Regards

>Pangie

[Guest guest]

Mmmm... maybe they found out that S/S is not so safe after all. I think I'm

going to look for a replacement. I guess it is better to be safe than sorry

Pity they are so hard to come by. I want something that can hold at least a

gallon without letting in too much light.

I really appreciate your advice... it has helped me tremendously. This

group is awesome. Without it, I think I would have continued to make

mistakes. I would like to perfect my brew and make it the best I can.... it

is just going to take a little time.

Kindest regards

Pangie

-- Re: Kombucha Queries

Hi Pangie

Here is the link for 's site: http://www.kombu.de/english.htm.

His reference to Stainless steel is under " How to make your own

Kombucha Tea " step 5.

Your right there is reference to Stainless Steel in the section

" Which Container to Use? " .I find it interesting that the

Bartholomew's have changed this section to read:

" Stainless steel is probably not a good material to use as a

container, as cheaper types can discolour the liquid. "

I would gather from that and the change from your 1999 edition that

high quality Stainless may be okay to use.

Another thing I find interesting is the comment in the same section:

" They have a very small opening at the top, are usually made from

plastic and are definitely not suitable for Kombucha tea, as it will

leach toxins(even from food grade plastic). "

This is in direct contrast to what Roussin's findings. His

site is: http://kombucha-research.com/.

Best

Bill

>Hello Bill

>

>Mmmm.... I am using the 1999 edition. It is on page 37 entitled " What

>Container to Use? " I'll quote from the book:

>

> " It is possible to use any large container without a tap like a ceramic

>bread crock or enamel container (without chips). You will have to scoop out

>your liquid from the top of the container with a ladle or jug which,

>although not quite so convenient, is no grea hardship either " .

>

>The same guidelines apply to these larger containers as in the Batch

Brewing

>Method, so no aluminium or plastic. Stainless steel is a good material to

>use as a container, they are easy to buy if not expensive " .

>

>The container I am using is actually a large bread bin with a lid (which I

>don't use). It is quite a heavy gauge.

>

>Is it possible to give me the link to Gunter 's site? I would be very

>interested to see what he says about using S/S. Very interesting

>information on using Tuppaware and food-grade plastics. It is not that I

>would want to use this type of container but when you have no access to

>large glass or ceramic containers, it is good to know that food-grade

>plastics will not effect the brew.

>

>I shall check out the links you have sent.... I would like to learn as much

>as I can about all the things that can or cannot affect Kombucha cultures.

>

>Regards

>Pangie

[Guest guest]

Mmmm... maybe they found out that S/S is not so safe after all. I think I'm

going to look for a replacement. I guess it is better to be safe than sorry

Pity they are so hard to come by. I want something that can hold at least a

gallon without letting in too much light.

I really appreciate your advice... it has helped me tremendously. This

group is awesome. Without it, I think I would have continued to make

mistakes. I would like to perfect my brew and make it the best I can.... it

is just going to take a little time.

Kindest regards

Pangie

-- Re: Kombucha Queries

Hi Pangie

Here is the link for 's site: http://www.kombu.de/english.htm.

His reference to Stainless steel is under " How to make your own

Kombucha Tea " step 5.

Your right there is reference to Stainless Steel in the section

" Which Container to Use? " .I find it interesting that the

Bartholomew's have changed this section to read:

" Stainless steel is probably not a good material to use as a

container, as cheaper types can discolour the liquid. "

I would gather from that and the change from your 1999 edition that

high quality Stainless may be okay to use.

Another thing I find interesting is the comment in the same section:

" They have a very small opening at the top, are usually made from

plastic and are definitely not suitable for Kombucha tea, as it will

leach toxins(even from food grade plastic). "

This is in direct contrast to what Roussin's findings. His

site is: http://kombucha-research.com/.

Best

Bill

>Hello Bill

>

>Mmmm.... I am using the 1999 edition. It is on page 37 entitled " What

>Container to Use? " I'll quote from the book:

>

> " It is possible to use any large container without a tap like a ceramic

>bread crock or enamel container (without chips). You will have to scoop out

>your liquid from the top of the container with a ladle or jug which,

>although not quite so convenient, is no grea hardship either " .

>

>The same guidelines apply to these larger containers as in the Batch

Brewing

>Method, so no aluminium or plastic. Stainless steel is a good material to

>use as a container, they are easy to buy if not expensive " .

>

>The container I am using is actually a large bread bin with a lid (which I

>don't use). It is quite a heavy gauge.

>

>Is it possible to give me the link to Gunter 's site? I would be very

>interested to see what he says about using S/S. Very interesting

>information on using Tuppaware and food-grade plastics. It is not that I

>would want to use this type of container but when you have no access to

>large glass or ceramic containers, it is good to know that food-grade

>plastics will not effect the brew.

>

>I shall check out the links you have sent.... I would like to learn as much

>as I can about all the things that can or cannot affect Kombucha cultures.

>

>Regards

>Pangie

[Guest guest]

I keep my eye out at 2nd hand stores and yard sales for gallon jars. I have not

spent a lot of money for my brewing jars. Of course, I realize if you don't

have anything, they can be a rare find. Costco type stores sell pickles etc in

large gallon jars. Possibly you could get some jars from a local restaurant or

deli.

Good luck

I only wish there was a place to buy Kombucha containers and which you don't

need to take out a second mortage to pay for them .

Regards

Pangie

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[Guest guest]

I keep my eye out at 2nd hand stores and yard sales for gallon jars. I have not

spent a lot of money for my brewing jars. Of course, I realize if you don't

have anything, they can be a rare find. Costco type stores sell pickles etc in

large gallon jars. Possibly you could get some jars from a local restaurant or

deli.

Good luck

I only wish there was a place to buy Kombucha containers and which you don't

need to take out a second mortage to pay for them .

Regards

Pangie

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[Guest guest]

Wow! Well, there you go. Looks like there will be a S/S container on sale

on e-Bay very soon <LOL>. Thank you so much for your input, I really

appreciate it.

Regards

Pangie

-- Re: Kombucha Queries

Yes Joyce,

You are correct. I work part time in a winery and I have

been making beer and wine for 10+ years. Both beer and wine are aged

in Stainless steel. The beers that are fermented with Lactobacillus

cannot be stored in stainles and therefore must be fermented in Glass

or better yet, wooden barrels. The acid in the beer and the Kombucha

will attack the steel and cause bad off flavors.

" Wish I could find something similar for Stainless Steel "

>

> Would there be something to be found by exploring how SS is used in

> winemaking? There is a lot of storing and aging in SS isn't there?

>

> Joyce

> Dallas TX

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wow! Well, there you go. Looks like there will be a S/S container on sale

on e-Bay very soon <LOL>. Thank you so much for your input, I really

appreciate it.

Regards

Pangie

-- Re: Kombucha Queries

Yes Joyce,

You are correct. I work part time in a winery and I have

been making beer and wine for 10+ years. Both beer and wine are aged

in Stainless steel. The beers that are fermented with Lactobacillus

cannot be stored in stainles and therefore must be fermented in Glass

or better yet, wooden barrels. The acid in the beer and the Kombucha

will attack the steel and cause bad off flavors.

" Wish I could find something similar for Stainless Steel "

>

> Would there be something to be found by exploring how SS is used in

> winemaking? There is a lot of storing and aging in SS isn't there?

>

> Joyce

> Dallas TX

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Mmmm.... hadn't thought of that. I could buy a giant pickle onion jar (the

wholesale ones), give the onions away and then use the jar. It would

probably be much cheaper than buy the jar in a store by iteself!

Thanks so much, !

-- Re: Kombucha Queries

I keep my eye out at 2nd hand stores and yard sales for gallon jars. I have

not spent a lot of money for my brewing jars. Of course, I realize if you

don't have anything, they can be a rare find. Costco type stores sell

pickles etc in large gallon jars. Possibly you could get some jars from a

local restaurant or deli.

Good luck

I only wish there was a place to buy Kombucha containers and which you don't

need to take out a second mortage to pay for them .

Regards

Pangie

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[Guest guest]

Mmmm.... hadn't thought of that. I could buy a giant pickle onion jar (the

wholesale ones), give the onions away and then use the jar. It would

probably be much cheaper than buy the jar in a store by iteself!

Thanks so much, !

-- Re: Kombucha Queries

I keep my eye out at 2nd hand stores and yard sales for gallon jars. I have

not spent a lot of money for my brewing jars. Of course, I realize if you

don't have anything, they can be a rare find. Costco type stores sell

pickles etc in large gallon jars. Possibly you could get some jars from a

local restaurant or deli.

Good luck

I only wish there was a place to buy Kombucha containers and which you don't

need to take out a second mortage to pay for them .

Regards

Pangie

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[Guest guest]

Mmmm.... hadn't thought of that. I could buy a giant pickle onion jar (the

wholesale ones), give the onions away and then use the jar. It would

probably be much cheaper than buy the jar in a store by iteself!

Thanks so much, !

-- Re: Kombucha Queries

I keep my eye out at 2nd hand stores and yard sales for gallon jars. I have

not spent a lot of money for my brewing jars. Of course, I realize if you

don't have anything, they can be a rare find. Costco type stores sell

pickles etc in large gallon jars. Possibly you could get some jars from a

local restaurant or deli.

Good luck

I only wish there was a place to buy Kombucha containers and which you don't

need to take out a second mortage to pay for them .

Regards

Pangie

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[Guest guest]

Well one thing for sure..... I shan't be looking at food containers in the

same light as I used to <LOL>. Now, when I buy food, I shall be thinking

Kombucha brewing " ! LOL

Thanks also on the information about light. I've got my container on a

kitchen surface with a muslin top and then a teatowel over that (with just

enough open to let some air in). I thought it was really important not to

get too much light but I see that is not the case.

Thank you for the baby scobie... I look forward to receiving it very soon.

)

Kindest regards

Pangie

-- Re: Kombucha Queries

In message <45D38871.00002C.01196@PANGIE> you wrote:

> Pity they are so hard to come by. I want something that can hold at

> least a gallon without letting in too much light.

Ah, Pangie, some time ago I found a plain glass vase at the Wilcos hardware

store which can hold 5 litres plus = about a gallon. It's my favourite

brewing vessel. I also brew in an assortment of 2 and 3 1/2 litre glass

jars, plus several 5 litre buckets which I purchased from a Kombucha

supplier. These are foodgrade 1 very stable plastic containers which have

never given me any trouble. Although I do prefer brewing in glass, because

of the quantities I brew I need to resort to my buckets as well.

BTW, although direct sunlight is not ideal for the brew, light is not a bad

thing for it, so there is no need to jump into dark cupboards ;-).

>

> ......I think I would have continued to make mistakes. I would like

> to perfect my brew and make it the best I can.... it

> is just going to take a little time.

Well, Pangie, I'm laughing to myself ;-) After about 20 years I am still

experimenting and twigging things and trying to 'perfect' things, and I've

come to the conclusion : It's an eternal learning process we can learn

to enjoy and share with others and not taking ourselves too seriously :-)

A culture's going to hit Wales pretty soon, no fear!

Happy bubbles,

Margret:-)

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http://www.Gotquestions.org

+---------------------------------------------------------------+

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(Bishop Handley Moule)

[Guest guest]

Well one thing for sure..... I shan't be looking at food containers in the

same light as I used to <LOL>. Now, when I buy food, I shall be thinking

Kombucha brewing " ! LOL

Thanks also on the information about light. I've got my container on a

kitchen surface with a muslin top and then a teatowel over that (with just

enough open to let some air in). I thought it was really important not to

get too much light but I see that is not the case.

Thank you for the baby scobie... I look forward to receiving it very soon.

)

Kindest regards

Pangie

-- Re: Kombucha Queries

In message <45D38871.00002C.01196@PANGIE> you wrote:

> Pity they are so hard to come by. I want something that can hold at

> least a gallon without letting in too much light.

Ah, Pangie, some time ago I found a plain glass vase at the Wilcos hardware

store which can hold 5 litres plus = about a gallon. It's my favourite

brewing vessel. I also brew in an assortment of 2 and 3 1/2 litre glass

jars, plus several 5 litre buckets which I purchased from a Kombucha

supplier. These are foodgrade 1 very stable plastic containers which have

never given me any trouble. Although I do prefer brewing in glass, because

of the quantities I brew I need to resort to my buckets as well.

BTW, although direct sunlight is not ideal for the brew, light is not a bad

thing for it, so there is no need to jump into dark cupboards ;-).

>

> ......I think I would have continued to make mistakes. I would like

> to perfect my brew and make it the best I can.... it

> is just going to take a little time.

Well, Pangie, I'm laughing to myself ;-) After about 20 years I am still

experimenting and twigging things and trying to 'perfect' things, and I've

come to the conclusion : It's an eternal learning process we can learn

to enjoy and share with others and not taking ourselves too seriously :-)

A culture's going to hit Wales pretty soon, no fear!

Happy bubbles,

Margret:-)

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Well one thing for sure..... I shan't be looking at food containers in the

same light as I used to <LOL>. Now, when I buy food, I shall be thinking

Kombucha brewing " ! LOL

Thanks also on the information about light. I've got my container on a

kitchen surface with a muslin top and then a teatowel over that (with just

enough open to let some air in). I thought it was really important not to

get too much light but I see that is not the case.

Thank you for the baby scobie... I look forward to receiving it very soon.

)

Kindest regards

Pangie

-- Re: Kombucha Queries

In message <45D38871.00002C.01196@PANGIE> you wrote:

> Pity they are so hard to come by. I want something that can hold at

> least a gallon without letting in too much light.

Ah, Pangie, some time ago I found a plain glass vase at the Wilcos hardware

store which can hold 5 litres plus = about a gallon. It's my favourite

brewing vessel. I also brew in an assortment of 2 and 3 1/2 litre glass

jars, plus several 5 litre buckets which I purchased from a Kombucha

supplier. These are foodgrade 1 very stable plastic containers which have

never given me any trouble. Although I do prefer brewing in glass, because

of the quantities I brew I need to resort to my buckets as well.

BTW, although direct sunlight is not ideal for the brew, light is not a bad

thing for it, so there is no need to jump into dark cupboards ;-).

>

> ......I think I would have continued to make mistakes. I would like

> to perfect my brew and make it the best I can.... it

> is just going to take a little time.

Well, Pangie, I'm laughing to myself ;-) After about 20 years I am still

experimenting and twigging things and trying to 'perfect' things, and I've

come to the conclusion : It's an eternal learning process we can learn

to enjoy and share with others and not taking ourselves too seriously :-)

A culture's going to hit Wales pretty soon, no fear!

Happy bubbles,

Margret:-)

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Pangie wrote: " I only wish there was a place to buy Kombucha containers and

which you don't need to take out a second mortage to pay for them <LOL>. "

Maybe I am doing something wrong, but I started brewing in a three quart

glass jar from WalMart -- it comes with a glass cover, but I use a tight

weave dishtowel and a rubber band because there is a nice groove at the top

of the jar. When I needed something larger, I went to the 12 quart glass jar

in the same line and used it the same way. Then Costco was selling tulips

growing in a glass jar in water, and when we finished with the tulips, I

kept the jar: it is about six quarts and can be used the same way.

I hope these jars are suitable for brewing: they certainly have been serving

us well.

Joyce

Dallas TX

[Guest guest]

Pangie wrote: " I only wish there was a place to buy Kombucha containers and

which you don't need to take out a second mortage to pay for them <LOL>. "

Maybe I am doing something wrong, but I started brewing in a three quart

glass jar from WalMart -- it comes with a glass cover, but I use a tight

weave dishtowel and a rubber band because there is a nice groove at the top

of the jar. When I needed something larger, I went to the 12 quart glass jar

in the same line and used it the same way. Then Costco was selling tulips

growing in a glass jar in water, and when we finished with the tulips, I

kept the jar: it is about six quarts and can be used the same way.

I hope these jars are suitable for brewing: they certainly have been serving

us well.

Joyce

Dallas TX

[Guest guest]

Pangie wrote: " Pity they are so hard to come by. I want something that can

hold at least a gallon without letting in too much light. "

I find the large dish towels hang over the side of the clear glass and keep

it fairly dark. In addition, following someone's suggestion on this list, we

brew in the half bath, which is seldom used and usually dark.

I didn't realize that it was the light through glass that you were objecting

to. Thanks for clarifying.

Joyce

Dallas TX

[Guest guest]

Pangie wrote: " Pity they are so hard to come by. I want something that can

hold at least a gallon without letting in too much light. "

I find the large dish towels hang over the side of the clear glass and keep

it fairly dark. In addition, following someone's suggestion on this list, we

brew in the half bath, which is seldom used and usually dark.

I didn't realize that it was the light through glass that you were objecting

to. Thanks for clarifying.

Joyce

Dallas TX

[Guest guest]

I'll certainly have to think about this. Of course, I live in the UK, so

they might not use the same time of thing as they do in the States. I will

certainly be on the lookout for containers from now on.

Regards

Pangie

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I keep my eye out at 2nd hand stores and yard sales for gallon jars. I have

not spent a lot of money for my brewing jars. Of course, I realize if you

don't have anything, they can be a rare find. Costco type stores sell

pickles etc in large gallon jars. Possibly you could get some jars from a

local restaurant or deli.

Good luck

I only wish there was a place to buy Kombucha containers and which you don't

need to take out a second mortage to pay for them .

Regards

Pangie

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[Guest guest]

I'll certainly have to think about this. Of course, I live in the UK, so

they might not use the same time of thing as they do in the States. I will

certainly be on the lookout for containers from now on.

Regards

Pangie

-- Re: Kombucha Queries

I keep my eye out at 2nd hand stores and yard sales for gallon jars. I have

not spent a lot of money for my brewing jars. Of course, I realize if you

don't have anything, they can be a rare find. Costco type stores sell

pickles etc in large gallon jars. Possibly you could get some jars from a

local restaurant or deli.

Good luck

I only wish there was a place to buy Kombucha containers and which you don't

need to take out a second mortage to pay for them .

Regards

Pangie

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[Guest guest]

>Pity they are so hard to come by. I want something that can hold at least a

>gallon without letting in too much light.

The light really does not seem to be an issue. Plus, you can use a large

cloth as your cover cloth that also covers the vessel. Mine are

lightweight white floursacking type cloths that are tightly woven. In the

summer my vessels get a few minutes of direct rays and the brews seem to

love just those few minutes. For sure, I have noticed no trouble at all

with the light in our kitchen, and we have big greenhouse windows. I use

large 2.25 gallon glass containers (they are made by Anchor Hocking as

cookie jars). I'm sorry that these don't seem to be available in other

countries than the USA.

--V

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