Re: Safety of Kombucha Tea/Tonic

[Guest guest]

Hi...

I saw that article online as well... I think it was:

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00039742.htm

The interesting aspect regarding that article is that it was two people out

of a small town, and both persons were on various medications that were

already heavily affecting their chemistry; not to mention the prevalent

medical conditions that were already present in both these people. I am sure

there were more extensive contributing factors than just KT.

There are some more articles, here:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstra\

ct & list_uids=10888589

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstra\

ct & list_uids=9887919

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstra\

ct & list_uids=11723720

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstra\

ct & list_uids=11351863

http://horticulture.coafes.umn.edu/vertical/Sites/%7B252C88F6-737D-4D63-B7B2-F08\

79F696609%7D/uploads/kombucha.htm

http://www.gaiaresearch.co.za/kombucha.html

I have found the last one from Gaia Research to be the most informative. And

I'll completely admit that I also have had concerns about drinking " to much "

Kombucha... I love a good thing, and Kombucha is about as good as it gets. I

would say that over the past two or three weeks I have been drinking about

16 oz daily. I don't necessarily measure how much I drink, I drink how much

my body wants and stay tuned into what is going on with my chemistry and how

I feel. So far I have only had absolutely fantastic results.

As with anything, excess is NOT the road to the palace of wisdom; balance

and harmony are key.

Hope that helps...

>

> When I Google Kt I run across sites that claim that it is harmful and

> that people have died from acidosis. Is that from fermenting in the

> " wrong " type of container, or is it something else? (I thought the

> wrong container concern was lead poisoning or something like that.)

> Sorry to be paranoid, I just don't want to be hurting my family or

> myself. Btw, I'm still drinking my kt, just have a hard time shaking

> the worry when I see warnings like that.

> Thanks,

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Does anyone else here take medication for the treatment of hypertension? I do

and now am kind of worried.

Active Accounts wrote:

Hi...

I saw that article online as well... I think it was:

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00039742.htm

The interesting aspect regarding that article is that it was two people out

of a small town, and both persons were on various medications that were

already heavily affecting their chemistry; not to mention the prevalent

medical conditions that were already present in both these people. I am sure

there were more extensive contributing factors than just KT.

There are some more articles, here:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstra\

ct & list_uids=10888589

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstra\

ct & list_uids=9887919

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstra\

ct & list_uids=11723720

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstra\

ct & list_uids=11351863

http://horticulture.coafes.umn.edu/vertical/Sites/%7B252C88F6-737D-4D63-B7B2-F08\

79F696609%7D/uploads/kombucha.htm

http://www.gaiaresearch.co.za/kombucha.html

I have found the last one from Gaia Research to be the most informative. And

I'll completely admit that I also have had concerns about drinking " to much "

Kombucha... I love a good thing, and Kombucha is about as good as it gets. I

would say that over the past two or three weeks I have been drinking about

16 oz daily. I don't necessarily measure how much I drink, I drink how much

my body wants and stay tuned into what is going on with my chemistry and how

I feel. So far I have only had absolutely fantastic results.

As with anything, excess is NOT the road to the palace of wisdom; balance

and harmony are key.

Hope that helps...

>

> When I Google Kt I run across sites that claim that it is harmful and

> that people have died from acidosis. Is that from fermenting in the

> " wrong " type of container, or is it something else? (I thought the

> wrong container concern was lead poisoning or something like that.)

> Sorry to be paranoid, I just don't want to be hurting my family or

> myself. Btw, I'm still drinking my kt, just have a hard time shaking

> the worry when I see warnings like that.

> Thanks,

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

dtake your wight divide by 2 and drink that much filtered water do 10 oz of KT

and get off the drugs!! Just kidding -- the tea will make your system more

efficient and you will cut down on your drug intake or that what happened to 2

friends of mine..

kismet under wrote: Does anyone else here take

medication for the treatment of hypertension? I do and now am kind of worried.

Active Accounts wrote:

Hi...

I saw that article online as well... I think it was:

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00039742.htm

The interesting aspect regarding that article is that it was two people out

of a small town, and both persons were on various medications that were

already heavily affecting their chemistry; not to mention the prevalent

medical conditions that were already present in both these people. I am sure

there were more extensive contributing factors than just KT.

There are some more articles, here:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstra\

ct & list_uids=10888589

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstra\

ct & list_uids=9887919

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstra\

ct & list_uids=11723720

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstra\

ct & list_uids=11351863

http://horticulture.coafes.umn.edu/vertical/Sites/%7B252C88F6-737D-4D63-B7B2-F08\

79F696609%7D/uploads/kombucha.htm

http://www.gaiaresearch.co.za/kombucha.html

I have found the last one from Gaia Research to be the most informative. And

I'll completely admit that I also have had concerns about drinking " to much "

Kombucha... I love a good thing, and Kombucha is about as good as it gets. I

would say that over the past two or three weeks I have been drinking about

16 oz daily. I don't necessarily measure how much I drink, I drink how much

my body wants and stay tuned into what is going on with my chemistry and how

I feel. So far I have only had absolutely fantastic results.

As with anything, excess is NOT the road to the palace of wisdom; balance

and harmony are key.

Hope that helps...

>

> When I Google Kt I run across sites that claim that it is harmful and

> that people have died from acidosis. Is that from fermenting in the

> " wrong " type of container, or is it something else? (I thought the

> wrong container concern was lead poisoning or something like that.)

> Sorry to be paranoid, I just don't want to be hurting my family or

> myself. Btw, I'm still drinking my kt, just have a hard time shaking

> the worry when I see warnings like that.

> Thanks,

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I woudl bet they made their tea with dirty containers..

Active Accounts wrote: Hi...

I saw that article online as well... I think it was:

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00039742.htm

The interesting aspect regarding that article is that it was two people out

of a small town, and both persons were on various medications that were

already heavily affecting their chemistry; not to mention the prevalent

medical conditions that were already present in both these people. I am sure

there were more extensive contributing factors than just KT.

There are some more articles, here:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstra\

ct & list_uids=10888589

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstra\

ct & list_uids=9887919

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstra\

ct & list_uids=11723720

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstra\

ct & list_uids=11351863

http://horticulture.coafes.umn.edu/vertical/Sites/%7B252C88F6-737D-4D63-B7B2-F08\

79F696609%7D/uploads/kombucha.htm

http://www.gaiaresearch.co.za/kombucha.html

I have found the last one from Gaia Research to be the most informative. And

I'll completely admit that I also have had concerns about drinking " to much "

Kombucha... I love a good thing, and Kombucha is about as good as it gets. I

would say that over the past two or three weeks I have been drinking about

16 oz daily. I don't necessarily measure how much I drink, I drink how much

my body wants and stay tuned into what is going on with my chemistry and how

I feel. So far I have only had absolutely fantastic results.

As with anything, excess is NOT the road to the palace of wisdom; balance

and harmony are key.

Hope that helps...

>

> When I Google Kt I run across sites that claim that it is harmful and

> that people have died from acidosis. Is that from fermenting in the

> " wrong " type of container, or is it something else? (I thought the

> wrong container concern was lead poisoning or something like that.)

> Sorry to be paranoid, I just don't want to be hurting my family or

> myself. Btw, I'm still drinking my kt, just have a hard time shaking

> the worry when I see warnings like that.

> Thanks,

>

>

>

>

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wardermomseven wrote: When I Google Kt I run

across sites that claim that it is harmful and

that people have died from acidosis. Is that from fermenting in the

" wrong " type of container, or is it something else? (I thought the

wrong container concern was lead poisoning or something like that.)

Sorry to be paranoid, I just don't want to be hurting my family or

myself. Btw, I'm still drinking my kt, just have a hard time shaking

the worry when I see warnings like that.

Thanks,

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[Guest guest]

Hi EveryOne,

That rumor has no basis in fact....it simply isn't true. The woman was

sick with many serious illnesses and took strong meds and also drank KT.

It wasn't the KT that she died from and just because two things happen

at the same time, doesn't mean one caused the other....in this case

there were multiple causes for her death and Kombucha was NOT one of them.

NO ONE HAS EVER DIED FROM DRINKING KOMBUCHA!

Peace, Love and Harmony,

Bev

>

> When I Google Kt I run across sites that claim that it is harmful and

> that people have died from acidosis. Is that from fermenting in the

> " wrong " type of container, or is it something else? (I thought the

> wrong container concern was lead poisoning or something like that.)

> Sorry to be paranoid, I just don't want to be hurting my family or

> myself. Btw, I'm still drinking my kt, just have a hard time shaking

> the worry when I see warnings like that.

> Thanks,

>

>

[Guest guest]

>That rumor has no basis in fact....it simply isn't true. The woman was

>sick with many serious illnesses and took strong meds and also drank KT.

>

>It wasn't the KT that she died from and just because two things happen

>at the same time, doesn't mean one caused the other....in this case

>there were multiple causes for her death and Kombucha was NOT one of them.

>

>NO ONE HAS EVER DIED FROM DRINKING KOMBUCHA!

Yes. See this link for more info:

http://www.kombucha-research.com/papers/index.htm

What happened is that the woman drank KT and was also very sick and taking

something like 12 different pharmaceutical drugs for a variety of serious

illnesses, and when she died of her diseases they pointed the finger at KT,

as per usual. This one so-called event is the basis of ALL those hits

you'll find on the Web.

--V

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

Hi! I've read the articles as well, and I have to say that I have a

hard time accepting that kombucha would be the primary cause of the

serious illnesses in these people. The body has a fairly narrow pH

range of about 7.35 to 7.45, and employs two primary methods to

maintain that balance and buffer any imbalance, whether on the acidic

side or the basic side. These are primarily the respiritory system,

and the kidneys.

Many conditions can alter the body's pH; including diabetes, kidney

problems and renal failure, respiratory conditions like emphysema and

pneumonia, and simply being very, very ill with an infection that

results in sepsis and can lead to septic shock.

An acidosis resulting from the ingestion of a substance may often be

treated with giving IV sodium bicarbonate as a sort of antidote, and

the acidosis is corrected when all the acid in the substance is

neutralized by an equal amount of sodium bicarbonate(think of adding

baking soda to vinegar..eventually it stops reacting because there's

no more acid to react with the bicarb). Serious metabolic,

respiratory, or infectious conditions causing acidosis require

treatment of the underlying condition, not a simple " antidote, " and

are much more difficult to treat. So while kombucha ingestion might

exacerbate an existing acidosis in an already ill individual, I can't

see consumption of it in reasonable amounts (what is reasonable?...I

drink at least a quart a day, usually more, myself), causing a

serious, lasting acidosis in a healthy person. Although it would be

very easy to blame kombucha when poor treatment decisions have been

made, or when the outcome of treatment is negative even though

perfect treatment has been given; because sometimes nothing can save

a very, very ill person; it's simply time to go. Many doctors and

many people have great difficulty accepting that, and look to blame

something or someone; so it's easy to look at kombucha as a

different, or strange, alternative kind of thing and place the blame

there, undeserved as it may be.

And I have to add that I am not a doctor! So this is purely

speculation and hopefully a bit of explanation, and not medical

advice! And I think I'll go get a big old glass of KT from my

kitchen, on that note!

>

> When I Google Kt I run across sites that claim that it is harmful

and

> that people have died from acidosis.

[Guest guest]

Thank you! As always, I really appreciate your RN training in helping us

to understand the biology of these things. Thank you!!!

--V

>Hi! I've read the articles as well, and I have to say that I have a

>hard time accepting that kombucha would be the primary cause of the

>serious illnesses in these people.

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

I have come across info that says acidosis is caused by the KT being

too sour which usually is the result of brewing too long. The sugar is

used by the Scoby during fermentation, and when that is gone it starts

to get sour. I never had this problem since I use a cup and a half of

white sugar in a one gallon container brewed for seven days. Another

factor is drinking way too much of the sour brew.

> wrote:

> When I Google Kt I run across sites that claim that it is harmful and

> that people have died from acidosis. Is that from fermenting in the

> " wrong " type of container, or is it something else? (I thought the

> wrong container concern was lead poisoning or something like that.)

> Sorry to be paranoid, I just don't want to be hurting my family or

> myself. Btw, I'm still drinking my kt, just have a hard time shaking

> the worry when I see warnings like that.

> Thanks,

>

>

[Guest guest]

If that information were true I would have been dead a very long time ago.

Not so says I.

zoe

Saturday, December 16, 2006, 9:32:33 AM, you wrote:

I have come across info that says acidosis is caused by the KT being

too sour which usually is the result of brewing too long. The sugar is

used by the Scoby during fermentation, and when that is gone it starts

to get sour. I never had this problem since I use a cup and a half of

white sugar in a one gallon container brewed for seven days. Another

factor is drinking way too much of the sour brew.

> wrote:

> When I Google Kt I run across sites that claim that it is harmful and

> that people have died from acidosis. Is that from fermenting in the

> " wrong " type of container, or is it something else? (I thought the

> wrong container concern was lead poisoning or something like that.)

> Sorry to be paranoid, I just don't want to be hurting my family or

> myself. Btw, I'm still drinking my kt, just have a hard time shaking

> the worry when I see warnings like that.

> Thanks,

>

[Guest guest]

true dat!!

>

> If that information were true I would have been dead a very long time

> ago. Not so says I.

> zoe

>

> Saturday, December 16, 2006, 9:32:33 AM, you wrote:

> I have come across info that says acidosis is caused by the KT being

> too sour which usually is the result of brewing too long. The sugar is

> used by the Scoby during fermentation, and when that is gone it starts

> to get sour. I never had this problem since I use a cup and a half of

> white sugar in a one gallon container brewed for seven days. Another

> factor is drinking way too much of the sour brew.

>

> > wrote:

> > When I Google Kt I run across sites that claim that it is harmful and

> > that people have died from acidosis. Is that from fermenting in the

> > " wrong " type of container, or is it something else? (I thought the

> > wrong container concern was lead poisoning or something like that.)

> > Sorry to be paranoid, I just don't want to be hurting my family or

> > myself. Btw, I'm still drinking my kt, just have a hard time shaking

> > the worry when I see warnings like that.

> > Thanks,

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

As other have mentioned, I believe it is a myth that there has ever been

acidosis caused by KT. As the RN on our list recently said, it's not

really physically possible for the KT to do so. If one's KT is very

vinegary, dilution with water or juice, and if necessary bit of sweetener,

makes it quite palatable. I agree large amounts of vinegar-level KT will

be hard on the stomach as well as the taste buds, but dilution to enjoyable

acidity is easy to achieve.

Remember that there is a lot of false information on the Web and in print

about KT. Sometimes even generally-good sources contain errors.

--V

>I have come across info that says acidosis is caused by the KT being

>too sour which usually is the result of brewing too long. The sugar is

>used by the Scoby during fermentation, and when that is gone it starts

>to get sour. I never had this problem since I use a cup and a half of

>white sugar in a one gallon container brewed for seven days. Another

>factor is drinking way too much of the sour brew.

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

As other have mentioned, I believe it is a myth that there has ever been

acidosis caused by KT. As the RN on our list recently said, it's not

really physically possible for the KT to do so. If one's KT is very

vinegary, dilution with water or juice, and if necessary bit of sweetener,

makes it quite palatable. I agree large amounts of vinegar-level KT will

be hard on the stomach as well as the taste buds, but dilution to enjoyable

acidity is easy to achieve.

Remember that there is a lot of false information on the Web and in print

about KT. Sometimes even generally-good sources contain errors.

--V

>I have come across info that says acidosis is caused by the KT being

>too sour which usually is the result of brewing too long. The sugar is

>used by the Scoby during fermentation, and when that is gone it starts

>to get sour. I never had this problem since I use a cup and a half of

>white sugar in a one gallon container brewed for seven days. Another

>factor is drinking way too much of the sour brew.

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste