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hey heidi,

i just made up a batch of kimchi - first batch in several months - and as

always, i screwed the lid on tight. i recall that you wrote in a recent post

that you leave your lid on loose. i've been screwing it on tight because i

thought that lactic acid bacteria are anaerobic.

thus my question - what is your rationale for leaving the lid on loose? and

have you tried a tight lid in the past with bad results?

Suze Fisher

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>thus my question - what is your rationale for leaving the lid on loose? and

>have you tried a tight lid in the past with bad results?

>

>Suze Fisher

My rationale has to do with some folks having jars explode on

them ... I've got two kids and the jars are at eye height. The

French Canning Jars don't seem to have a problem though,

and mostly I use plastic lids and THEY don't have a problem

(the leak when needed). But you were one of the people

that had a jar explode, I think? After 2 days of fermenting

very little gas gets produced. Anyway, I don't

want to be the one to tell someone " tighten the lid "

and then have them (or their kids) get hurt.

As far as aerobic ... the Koreans don't use airtight jars,

so it's not an issue, really. CO2 sinks, so it just sits there

and keeps the oxygen out, for the most part, and kimchi

doesn't really seem to care anyway. A " real " Korean

kimchi jar is just a jar with an inverted lid that sets over the top,

no seal at all.

-- Heidi

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>My rationale has to do with some folks having jars explode on

>them ...

LOL! OK - very wise justification.

I've got two kids and the jars are at eye height. The

>French Canning Jars don't seem to have a problem though,

>and mostly I use plastic lids and THEY don't have a problem

>(the leak when needed

come to think of it, i use plasitc lids and they do indeed leak - quite

regularly. it's been a while since i made kimchi last and i forgot about

that, and the fact that i usually loosen the lid as result. although i've

had some batches that don't leak and i just leave it on tight.

But you were one of the people

>that had a jar explode, I think?

no, but i did have a lid pop off like a champagne cork once when i opened

it.

After 2 days of fermenting

> very little gas gets produced. Anyway, I don't

>want to be the one to tell someone " tighten the lid "

>and then have them (or their kids) get hurt.

funny, i was envisioning one of my jars exploding while i was away from

home, and coming home to bloody trails around the house from the dogs

walking on the exploded glass. i'm a worry wort like that. so, i'd feel

better about loose lids for that reason alone.

>

>As far as aerobic ... the Koreans don't use airtight jars,

>so it's not an issue, really. CO2 sinks, so it just sits there

>and keeps the oxygen out, for the most part, and kimchi

>doesn't really seem to care anyway. A " real " Korean

>kimchi jar is just a jar with an inverted lid that sets over the top,

>no seal at all.

right. OK, i'll loosen the lid a little. thanks for your insights :-)

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

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>come to think of it, i use plasitc lids and they do indeed leak - quite

>regularly. it's been a while since i made kimchi last and i forgot about

>that, and the fact that i usually loosen the lid as result. although i've

>had some batches that don't leak and i just leave it on tight.

The commercial kimchi always comes with plastic lids and

REALLY THICK jars. I save them! Besides being likely explode-proof

(I doubt the kimchi makers want a lawsuit) they are tough and the right

size. What I've read is that they make the kimchi right in the jars ...

that is, they pack the jars with the ingredients, let them set, then

ship 'em. The plastic lids don't rust, either. I'm saving them up ... I figure

someday they will switch to plastic jars.

>But you were one of the people

>>that had a jar explode, I think?

>

>no, but i did have a lid pop off like a champagne cork once when i opened

>it.

Must've been one of those situations where I wasn't sure who

sent what post! Anyway, SOMEONE had a jar of kimchi explode all

over.

>funny, i was envisioning one of my jars exploding while i was away from

>home, and coming home to bloody trails around the house from the dogs

>walking on the exploded glass. i'm a worry wort like that. so, i'd feel

>better about loose lids for that reason alone.

Ack. Yep, dogs are like kids. I'd worry about them lapping up the kimchi

and eating the glass. Plastic lids are a no-brainer though .. they really

do deform if there is enough pressure to bust the glass. Esp. if the

glass is a commercial kimchi jar!

-- Heidi

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>>But you were one of the people

>>>that had a jar explode, I think?

>>

>>no, but i did have a lid pop off like a champagne cork once when i opened

>>it.

>

>Must've been one of those situations where I wasn't sure who

>sent what post! Anyway, SOMEONE had a jar of kimchi explode all

>over.

that was kat king - the fermenting queen.

>

>

>>funny, i was envisioning one of my jars exploding while i was away from

>>home, and coming home to bloody trails around the house from the dogs

>>walking on the exploded glass. i'm a worry wort like that. so, i'd feel

>>better about loose lids for that reason alone.

>

>Ack. Yep, dogs are like kids. I'd worry about them lapping up the kimchi

>and eating the glass.

ARGGHHH!! another horrible scenario to worry about!

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

----------------------------

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