Re: OT - Pet food dispelling false info

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Don't make yourself nuts.... I feel I have to interject, my dh is a vet and I have worked in the animal health field for as long as I have worked. I also breed and show cats and have done much studying on feline nutrition and viruses. Supplementing our pets food with raw is an excellent idea, We are all here because we know that the trends of over processing our (and our pets) food is not only unnecessary but harmful. But a cat losing bladder control and having to be euthanized at the ripe old age of 19 is pretty darn good and a testament to her good genetics and careful care, The kibble did not kill her, old age did. Cats are not supposed to live to 19 and if all she lost was bladder control that's better that most her age. And please don't worry about feline leukemia being a form of mad cow disease and possibly being transmitted thru diet from animal by products. It is not at all similar, not at all. The discussion of feline health is quite off topic so I won't go into any more detail her, but if anyone wants to know more about Feline leukemia, FIV or FIP, feel free to e-mail me off-list. Feeding natural food to your pets is a very good idea, but part the reason these lists exist is the exchange of accurate information So, that being said, I feel I have to say, part of the reason our pets are living to 19 and older is because of scientific advancements in companion animal nutrition. I feed all of my dogs and cats a premium natural balanced breed specific kibble with confidence, supplemented of course with raw food to make up for the destruction of nutrients and enzymes the processing causes. There are many good whole natural foods commercially out there that are still balanced to the specific needs of our pets, supplement them while maintaining nutritional balance and sleep well for you have done right for you animals Good luck to you in finding the way for your family, both human and animal. Kim Message: 2 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:49:20 -0700 Subject: Re: OT: Pet food- commercial vs raw"I was raised with the typical Meow Mix mentality, and I left my childhood cat with my parents. They put her to sleep at age 19 because she could no longer control her bladder. I soon realized it was due to the food, after a few of my cats developed other problems. One of my cats died from feline leukemia, which some are now believing is a form of mad cow disease, as there are dead cats and dogs in conventional food. The symptoms of feline leukemia are identical to mad cow disease. I later learned this and switched to natural foods. "Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

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I am not trying to get anyones hackles up, I just don't want everyone

thinking that their cat is supposed to live to 19 and if it doesn't

its because of the food they fed it. Yeah I'm sure there was a cat

or two somewhere who lived to 30 but that is not the norm, rare

instances do not make normal comparisons.

If you think about the commonalities most long lived cats share:

Loving owners, regular meals of kibble, and free range outdoors(to

supplement their kibble with mice, birds, and insects).

If I was happy with the status quo I wouldn't belong to this list. I

just want every one to be aware that unless we are going to go out

and live trap mice, birds and insects to feed our cats, or do the

nutritional analysis of those creatures while they are still warm, we

have to pay attention to those that did when we are deciding the best

way to feed our cats.

> Cats can, do and have lived to 30 yrs of age before the idea

of " scientific pet food " took hold of everyone's senses.

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> Back in the 1970s I had a book written by an old British vet, and

his male un-neutered cat roamed the countryside siring many litters

of kittens. He got an excellent raw diet and lots of love and

attention when he bothered to come home and visit. A very nice life

for a " jungle " cat.

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> Life and feeding is very different now, but age 22 was when my

previous cats have died, and I fed them store food. With an ideal

diet from the get-go, who knows...?

> --Terry

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> Re: OT: Pet food- commercial vs raw

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> " I was raised with the typical Meow Mix mentality, and I left my

childhood cat with my parents. They put her to sleep at age 19

because she could no longer control her bladder. I soon realized it

was due to the food, after a few of my cats developed other problems.

One of my cats died from feline leukemia, which some are now

believing is a form of mad cow disease, as there are dead cats and

dogs in conventional food. The symptoms of feline leukemia are

identical to mad cow disease. I later learned this and switched to

natural foods. "

[Guest guest]

Cats can, do and have lived to 30 yrs of age before the idea of "scientific pet food" took hold of everyone's senses.

My cat Puck actually increased his size after fully grown by almost 50% when I started feeding him raw meat and the natural pet foods...my family was amazed! To think a cat over 2 years old could grow bigger! He is 4 now, and monstrous, and he is not fat at all! He is so tall, he can reach his paw up over the kitchen counter, and swipe meat off of my cutting board! lol! I can't wait to see what the raw milk will do for him! I plan on having him around a long time!

Blessings,

-AngelKirkland Washington

Back in the 1970s I had a book written by an old British vet, and his male un-neutered cat roamed the countryside siring many litters of kittens. He got an excellent raw diet and lots of love and attention when he bothered to come home and visit. A very nice life for a "jungle" cat.

Life and feeding is very different now, but age 22 was when my previous cats have died, and I fed them store food. With an ideal diet from the get-go, who knows...?

--Terry

Re: OT: Pet food- commercial vs raw"I was raised with the typical Meow Mix mentality, and I left my childhood cat with my parents. They put her to sleep at age 19 because she could no longer control her bladder. I soon realized it was due to the food, after a few of my cats developed other problems. One of my cats died from feline leukemia, which some are now believing is a form of mad cow disease, as there are dead cats and dogs in conventional food. The symptoms of feline leukemia are identical to mad cow disease. I later learned this and switched to natural foods. "PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

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Cats, if you do not know, are obligate carnivores and desert animals. They need meat, fresh, raw meat and bones to be healthy. They cannot get enough water from drinking, as they are made up to get their water from their food. There is no water in kibble. Isn't kidney failure the #1 killer of cats these days? That and diabetes?? Lots of sugar and chemicals in that kibble as well.

Yes dogs and cats dying young is the norm since commercial "pet" convenience food and modern veterinary medicine have come into play.

They can actually live long, healthy lives if fed a species appropriate raw diet and are not vaccinated or given other drugs.

Just my experience.

Nonie

I I just don't want everyone thinking that their cat is supposed to live to 19 and if it doesn't its because of the food they fed it.

[Guest guest]

Yes, I know they are obligate carnivores, but they are NOT desert

animals. The ancestors of all domestic cats come from old world

jungles. I am NOT a kibble advocate, I was merely trying to help some

listers understand that if they could not get their cat to a complete

raw conversion, it would not be the worst thing. I just wrote a

member off list with some suggestions on how to deal with an

imperfect situation trying to introduce some raw components to the

diet of her kibble addicts. I have confidence in the health

conciousness of most of the members of this group. And I would expect

that if they chose to include kibble in the diet of their pets that

it would not be blindly from the supermarket shelf, and they would

spend time reading lables to avoid, the sugar and chemicals you talk

of. I am not going to get into a spitting match about feline health

on a raw dairy list, I would rather talk about... Duh,raw dairy!

And don't get me started about what it is like to watch puppies and

kittens die horrible deaths from diseases, that are completely

preventable thru vaccine. Clean up one cage from a puppy dying of

the parvo virus and you won't be so indignant about the evils of

vaccines. Over-vaccinating is one thing we can do without,but not

vaccinating is unconscionable.

So, how ya'll doin out there with your dairy dilemma's?

Kim

Kim

> Cats, if you do not know, are obligate carnivores and desert

animals. They need meat, fresh, raw meat and bones to be healthy.

They cannot get enough water from drinking, as they are made up to

get their water from their food. There is no water in kibble. Isn't

kidney failure the #1 killer of cats these days? That and diabetes??

Lots of sugar and chemicals in that kibble as well.

> Yes dogs and cats dying young is the norm since commercial " pet "

convenience food and modern veterinary medicine have come into play.

> They can actually live long, healthy lives if fed a species

appropriate raw diet and are not vaccinated or given other drugs.

> Just my experience.

> Nonie

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> I I just don't want everyone

> thinking that their cat is supposed to live to 19 and if it

doesn't

> its because of the food they fed it.