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Kindra --

I had thought about writing to Rosie, too, since she's so pro-kids. Maybe

more people would be willing to write her, and it would prompt her to discuss

it at the beginning of her show.

Thanks for the idea!

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I feel the same way about my daughter . Looking at early videos of

her, her head looked pretty round. I wish I would've known about

repostioning, too.

I also get Parenting Magazine, so I'd be happy to write them, too.

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Kindra:

I wrote to Rosie and got no response. Perhaps you'll have better

luck with Oprah.

Kendra

kindra m wrote:

Hey everyone,

we all talk about getting the word out about plagio, tort and cranio.

Have

any of you emailed Oprah or Rosie your stories??? I did b/c

I just thought,

hey, why not try???? It would be a great way to get our stories

out there

and increase awareness!

-Kindra and Hannah (2/12/00)

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That's great!!! What was the e-mail address? I'll send one too!! I am in the process of writing to Parents, Parenting and Child Mag. I get all 3 of these and have never seen anything on this topic. Has anyone else? The magazines have been my main resource since we starting trying to get pregnant. I can't help but feel that if I had read about this earlier I could have done something to help before now!! Hunter's plagio is totally a result of him sleeping on his back with his head turned completely to the left (no tort or anything). If I had know then what I know now maybe repositioning would have worked more for us! Maybe if we all write in, we can get some exposure!!!

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Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 11:26 AM

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Subject: getting the word out

Hey everyone,

we all talk about getting the word out about plagio, tort and cranio. Have

any of you emailed Oprah or Rosie your stories??? I did b/c I just thought,

hey, why not try???? It would be a great way to get our stories out there

and increase awareness!

-Kindra and Hannah (2/12/00)

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Kendra,

I wrote to both, but I thought that if more of us wrote, the more attention

we will get :):D:).

-Kindra

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>Plagiocephalyegroups

>Subject: Re: getting the word out

>Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 10:32:17 -0600

>

>Kindra:

>

>I wrote to Rosie and got no response. Perhaps you'll have better luck

>with Oprah.

>

>Kendra

>

>kindra m wrote:

>

> > Hey everyone,

> >

> > we all talk about getting the word out about plagio, tort and cranio.

> > Have

> > any of you emailed Oprah or Rosie your stories??? I did b/c I just

> > thought,

> > hey, why not try???? It would be a great way to get our stories out

> > there

> > and increase awareness!

> > -Kindra and Hannah (2/12/00)

> >

> > _______________________________________________________________________

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My sister got a copy of Today's Parent (a Canadian parenting mag.).

In the "Ask Us" column, a Mom asked about her baby's flat head. Her

doctor and family told her she was paranoid...... The pediatrician

who responded agreed that she was overreacting!!

Well, I ran out and bought that magazine right away so that I could

write a letter to the editor. Unfortunately, I ended up with last

months copy, so I'll have to go out and find it again!

I think it would be fair to say that not ALL babies with flat heads

need to be treated (so many factors, arg!), but as we all know, there are

SO MANY that do need treatment. I think they should have responded

with more of a "maybe, check with so and so doctor........" rather than

a flat out NO!!

This all came from a ped. who worked at Toronto Sick Kids Hospital -

a hospital that has a helmet program!!! Yikes! :o(

Kendra

"Cummings-Hall, " wrote:

That's great!!! What was the e-mail

address? I'll send one too!! I am in the process of writing

to Parents, Parenting and Child Mag. I get all 3 of these and have

never seen anything on this topic. Has anyone else? The magazines

have been my main resource since we starting trying to get pregnant.

I can't help but feel that if I had read about this earlier I could have

done something to help before now!! Hunter's plagio is totally a

result of him sleeping on his back with his head turned completely to the

left (no tort or anything). If I had know then what I know now maybe

repositioning would have worked more for us! Maybe if we all write

in, we can get some exposure!!!

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From: kindra m [sMTP:kindram@...]

Sent:

Wednesday, August 23, 2000 11:26 AM

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Subject:

getting the word out

Hey everyone,

we all talk about getting the word

out about plagio, tort and cranio. Have

any of you emailed Oprah or Rosie

your stories??? I did b/c I just thought,

hey, why not try???? It would

be a great way to get our stories out there

and increase awareness!

-Kindra and Hannah (2/12/00)

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Lets hope so!! Strength in numbers, and we have numbers!

kendra

kindra m wrote:

Kendra,

I wrote to both, but I thought that if more of us wrote, the more

attention

we will get :):D:).

-Kindra

>From: & Kendra <kbgarv@...>

>Reply-Plagiocephalyegroups

>Plagiocephalyegroups

>Subject: Re: getting the word out

>Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 10:32:17 -0600

>

>Kindra:

>

>I wrote to Rosie and got no response. Perhaps you'll have

better luck

>with Oprah.

>

>Kendra

>

>kindra m wrote:

>

> > Hey everyone,

> >

> > we all talk about getting the word out about plagio, tort and

cranio.

> > Have

> > any of you emailed Oprah or Rosie your stories??? I did

b/c I just

> > thought,

> > hey, why not try???? It would be a great way to get our

stories out

> > there

> > and increase awareness!

> > -Kindra and Hannah (2/12/00)

> >

> > _______________________________________________________________________

> >

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I think it's great that so many of us have tried contacting folks like

Rosie or Oprah to get the word out on plagio! I recently wrote a letter to

Jane ey (of Dateline NBC fame) and strongly urged her to consider doing

a plagio story on Dateline. I thought it would be great for a respected

news magazine show to do a story. I think I made a good case but we'll see

what happens. Those kinds of people and shows probably get gazillions of

letters so I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for a response. I'll be

sure to let you know if I get one!

Sharon & Evan (11-22-99)

> --

>I feel the same way about my daughter . Looking at early videos of

>her, her head looked pretty round. I wish I would've known about

>repostioning, too.

>I also get Parenting Magazine, so I'd be happy to write them, too.

>

>

>

>

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Kindra:

I emailed Oprah when I started this process and invited them to watch our

son get cast (because we were traveling to Chicago). I didn't hear any sort

of response. Maybe if more of us do this, a producer will take notice.

I just got called by a reporter from USA Today last night. She is doing an

article on plagio for their web site and got my name from CT. I will be

looking for it and let you all know when it goes online.

I think the more publicity, the better.

Sue

----- Original Message -----

From: kindra m <kindram@...>

<plagiocephalyegroups>; <torticolliskidsegroups>

Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 12:26 PM

Subject: getting the word out

> Hey everyone,

>

> we all talk about getting the word out about plagio, tort and cranio.

Have

> any of you emailed Oprah or Rosie your stories??? I did b/c I just

thought,

> hey, why not try???? It would be a great way to get our stories out there

> and increase awareness!

> -Kindra and Hannah (2/12/00)

> ________________________________________________________________________

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>

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Yes I actually emailed Oprah awhile ago but have not heard anything except

that my email

was received. I feel as long as we keep talking about it the word will get

out there.

I actually don't think the US news article was that bad. Atleast it is

being mentioned and

the information is there. It even mentions CT so if parents notice

something they can

look deeper into things.

( Gunner's Mommy)

> Hey everyone,

>

> we all talk about getting the word out about plagio, tort and cranio.

Have

> any of you emailed Oprah or Rosie your stories??? I did b/c I just

thought,

> hey, why not try???? It would be a great way to get our stories out there

> and increase awareness!

> -Kindra and Hannah (2/12/00)

>

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I actually read up on head shapes in a parenting magazine. But it is a good idea maybe they can get an article

going on PP and how import tummy time and reposition are. Great idea.

(Gunner's Mommy)

That's great!!! What was the e-mail address? I'll send one too!! I am in the process of writing to Parents, Parenting and Child Mag. I get all 3 of these and have never seen anything on this topic. Has anyone else? The magazines have been my main

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Just wanted to let you all know that I wrote to Oprah

and Rosie as well as all of my local news stations

about the whole problem coming out of the " back to

sleep " deal - mentioning both pp and tort - I also

didn't get a response. Several others in the tort

group have done the same and actually- I will ask the

new folks to send some also. The more they get-

eventually someone will hear us!!!

Lori and Lexi (4-5-99)

--- kindra m <kindram@...> wrote:

> Kendra,

>

> I wrote to both, but I thought that if more of us

> wrote, the more attention

> we will get :):D:).

> -Kindra

>

>

> >From: & Kendra <kbgarv@...>

> >Reply-Plagiocephalyegroups

> >Plagiocephalyegroups

> >Subject: Re: getting the word out

> >Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 10:32:17 -0600

> >

> >Kindra:

> >

> >I wrote to Rosie and got no response. Perhaps

> you'll have better luck

> >with Oprah.

> >

> >Kendra

> >

> >kindra m wrote:

> >

> > > Hey everyone,

> > >

> > > we all talk about getting the word out about

> plagio, tort and cranio.

> > > Have

> > > any of you emailed Oprah or Rosie your

> stories??? I did b/c I just

> > > thought,

> > > hey, why not try???? It would be a great way to

> get our stories out

> > > there

> > > and increase awareness!

> > > -Kindra and Hannah (2/12/00)

> > >

> > >

>

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In a message dated 8/23/00 9:49:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

tcumming@... writes:

<< Maybe if we all write in, we

can get some exposure!!!

>>

Hey everyone, keep the letters going!!!! Several of us here and torticollis

group sent many letters all over. I had also sent one to Parade Mag and

nothing yet. Belinda

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In a message dated 8/23/00 12:07:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

msluck@... writes:

<< I think the more publicity, the better.

>>

I just wish someone would write an article that explained there is more to it

than cosmetic correction!! Belinda(Indiana)

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Yes our group has emailed about every group you can think of we are in the process of putting together press kits to send out via mail to all of them to give them a better idea of what is happening to our children.

P.

-----Original Message-----From: kindra m [mailto:kindram@...]Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 12:26 PMplagiocephalyegroups; torticolliskidsegroupsSubject: getting the word outHey everyone,we all talk about getting the word out about plagio, tort and cranio. Have any of you emailed Oprah or Rosie your stories??? I did b/c I just thought, hey, why not try???? It would be a great way to get our stories out there and increase awareness!-Kindra and Hannah (2/12/00)________________________________________________________________________Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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Great, how can we help???

-Kindra

>From: " Pitchke " <CAPS2000@...>

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>Subject: RE: getting the word out

>Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 18:51:28 -0400

>

>Yes our group has emailed about every group you can think of we are in the

>process of putting together press kits to send out via mail to all of them

>to give them a better idea of what is happening to our children.

> P.

> -----Original Message-----

> From: kindra m [mailto:kindram@...]

> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 12:26 PM

> plagiocephalyegroups; torticolliskidsegroups

> Subject: getting the word out

>

>

> Hey everyone,

>

> we all talk about getting the word out about plagio, tort and cranio.

>Have

> any of you emailed Oprah or Rosie your stories??? I did b/c I just

>thought,

> hey, why not try???? It would be a great way to get our stories out

>there

> and increase awareness!

> -Kindra and Hannah (2/12/00)

> ________________________________________________________________________

> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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Well the press kits will include things like a press release, stories from families (only a few) ones that really can get a readers attention. And information materials about the condition. If you are interested in adding anything or better understanding doing it for yourself just let me know either email me at CAPS2000@... and send me information at

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-----Original Message-----From: kindra m [mailto:kindram@...]Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 10:34 PMPlagiocephalyegroupsSubject: RE: getting the word outGreat, how can we help???-Kindra>From: " Pitchke" <CAPS2000@...>>Reply-Plagiocephalyegroups><Plagiocephalyegroups>>Subject: RE: getting the word out>Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 18:51:28 -0400>>Yes our group has emailed about every group you can think of we are in the>process of putting together press kits to send out via mail to all of them>to give them a better idea of what is happening to our children.> P.> -----Original Message-----> From: kindra m [mailto:kindram@...]> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 12:26 PM> plagiocephalyegroups; torticolliskidsegroups> Subject: getting the word out>>> Hey everyone,>> we all talk about getting the word out about plagio, tort and cranio.>Have> any of you emailed Oprah or Rosie your stories??? I did b/c I just>thought,> hey, why not try???? It would be a great way to get our stories out >there> and increase awareness!> -Kindra and Hannah (2/12/00)> ________________________________________________________________________> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com>>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------->-->>>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------->-->

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Hi Everyone,

There was a story in the July 2000 Parents Magazine about a child born with craniosynostosis called 'A new face for ' (page 77). Also, about a month ago, there was a story about kids with helmets on 'Inside Edition', a nightly magazine-type show (I think its a national show). I don't remember them mentioning plagiocephaly by name; they didn't go into detail about the condition. I don't think it was very informational, it just kind of sensationalized the children wearing the helmets. Did anyone else see it?

Did any of you who wrote to Rosie or Oprah attach photos or your little ones? Maybe that would catch their attention. Maybe I'll write too.....

a.

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From: Cummings-Hall,

'Plagiocephalyegroups'

Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 9:41 AM

Subject: RE: getting the word out

That's great!!! What was the e-mail address? I'll send one too!! I am in the process of writing to Parents, Parenting and Child Mag. I get all 3 of these and have never seen anything on this topic. Has anyone else? The magazines have been my main resource since we starting trying to get pregnant. I can't help but feel that if I had read about this earlier I could have done something to help before now!! Hunter's plagio is totally a result of him sleeping on his back with his head turned completely to the left (no tort or anything). If I had know then what I know now maybe repositioning would have worked more for us! Maybe if we all write in, we can get some exposure!!!

-----Original Message----- From: kindra m [sMTP:kindram@...] Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 11:26 AM plagiocephalyegroups; torticolliskidsegroups Subject: getting the word out

Hey everyone,

we all talk about getting the word out about plagio, tort and cranio. Have any of you emailed Oprah or Rosie your stories??? I did b/c I just thought, hey, why not try???? It would be a great way to get our stories out there and increase awareness! -Kindra and Hannah (2/12/00) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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a:

Rosie's email is not attachment capable. I did send her a list

of links, including my web page.

Kendra

a Barton wrote:

Hi

Everyone, There was

a story in the July 2000 Parents Magazine about a child born with craniosynostosis

called 'A new face for ' (page 77). Also, about a month ago,

there was a story about kids with helmets on 'Inside Edition', a nightly

magazine-type show (I think its a national show). I don't remember

them mentioning plagiocephaly by name; they didn't go into detail about

the condition. I don't think it was very informational, it just kind

of sensationalized the children wearing the helmets. Did anyone else

see it? Did any of

you who wrote to Rosie or Oprah attach photos or your little ones?

Maybe that would catch their attention. Maybe I'll write too..... a. -----

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From:

Cummings-Hall,

'Plagiocephalyegroups'

Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 9:41

AM

Subject: RE: getting the

word out

That's great!!! What was the e-mail

address? I'll send one too!! I am in the process of writing

to Parents, Parenting and Child Mag. I get all 3 of these and have

never seen anything on this topic. Has anyone else? The magazines

have been my main resource since we starting trying to get pregnant.

I can't help but feel that if I had read about this earlier I could have

done something to help before now!! Hunter's plagio is totally a

result of him sleeping on his back with his head turned completely to the

left (no tort or anything). If I had know then what I know now maybe

repositioning would have worked more for us! Maybe if we all write

in, we can get some exposure!!!

-----Original

Message-----

From: kindra m [sMTP:kindram@...]

Sent:

Wednesday, August 23, 2000 11:26 AM

plagiocephalyegroups; torticolliskidsegroups

Subject:

getting the word out

Hey everyone,

we all talk about getting the word

out about plagio, tort and cranio. Have

any of you emailed Oprah or Rosie

your stories??? I did b/c I just thought,

hey, why not try???? It would

be a great way to get our stories out there

and increase awareness!

-Kindra and Hannah (2/12/00)

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Maybe we all should e-mail Oprah and keep doing so until she takes notice.

I'll send one now. Also, has anyone invited her to " listen in " to this group?

We were very lucky to have our Ped. She knew immediatly something was not

right, even though she thought it was Craniosysnostis. This is something we

should not have to fight of Peds about. I say, lets all scream together and

make something happen.

LuAnn and Shelbey

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Dear a,

I saw that episode of Inside Edition on the Helmets. I thought they could of done a better job. I didn't like that last comment they made at the end when they said something like experts agree is it really necessary when the head will probably round out by themselves. Something to that extend. It's comments like those that make it harder and harder for us to get approval from our insurance companies, so I sent an e-mail to Inside Edition voicing my opinion. Probably didn't do any good, but I had to say something on behalf of all of us struggling!

(Spencer's Mom)

-----Original Message-----From: a Barton [mailto:ebarton@...]Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 6:27 PMPlagiocephalyegroupsSubject: Re: getting the word out

Hi Everyone,

There was a story in the July 2000 Parents Magazine about a child born with craniosynostosis called 'A new face for ' (page 77). Also, about a month ago, there was a story about kids with helmets on 'Inside Edition', a nightly magazine-type show (I think its a national show). I don't remember them mentioning plagiocephaly by name; they didn't go into detail about the condition. I don't think it was very informational, it just kind of sensationalized the children wearing the helmets. Did anyone else see it?

Did any of you who wrote to Rosie or Oprah attach photos or your little ones? Maybe that would catch their attention. Maybe I'll write too.....

a.

----- Original Message -----

From: Cummings-Hall,

'Plagiocephalyegroups'

Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 9:41 AM

Subject: RE: getting the word out

That's great!!! What was the e-mail address? I'll send one too!! I am in the process of writing to Parents, Parenting and Child Mag. I get all 3 of these and have never seen anything on this topic. Has anyone else? The magazines have been my main resource since we starting trying to get pregnant. I can't help but feel that if I had read about this earlier I could have done something to help before now!! Hunter's plagio is totally a result of him sleeping on his back with his head turned completely to the left (no tort or anything). If I had know then what I know now maybe repositioning would have worked more for us! Maybe if we all write in, we can get some exposure!!!

-----Original Message----- From: kindra m [sMTP:kindram@...] Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 11:26 AM plagiocephalyegroups; torticolliskidsegroups Subject: getting the word out

Hey everyone,

we all talk about getting the word out about plagio, tort and cranio. Have any of you emailed Oprah or Rosie your stories??? I did b/c I just thought, hey, why not try???? It would be a great way to get our stories out there and increase awareness! -Kindra and Hannah (2/12/00) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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Wow ! That's really great that you took the time to send them a note! I've got such a bad memory that I couldn't remember any of the details about the show, just that it wasn't too informational. Good job!

a.

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From: C Thrall

Plagiocephalyegroups

Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 1:49 PM

Subject: RE: getting the word out

Dear a,

I saw that episode of Inside Edition on the Helmets. I thought they could of done a better job. I didn't like that last comment they made at the end when they said something like experts agree is it really necessary when the head will probably round out by themselves. Something to that extend. It's comments like those that make it harder and harder for us to get approval from our insurance companies, so I sent an e-mail to Inside Edition voicing my opinion. Probably didn't do any good, but I had to say something on behalf of all of us struggling!

(Spencer's Mom)

-----Original Message-----From: a Barton [mailto:ebarton@...]Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 6:27 PMPlagiocephalyegroupsSubject: Re: getting the word out

Hi Everyone,

There was a story in the July 2000 Parents Magazine about a child born with craniosynostosis called 'A new face for ' (page 77). Also, about a month ago, there was a story about kids with helmets on 'Inside Edition', a nightly magazine-type show (I think its a national show). I don't remember them mentioning plagiocephaly by name; they didn't go into detail about the condition. I don't think it was very informational, it just kind of sensationalized the children wearing the helmets. Did anyone else see it?

Did any of you who wrote to Rosie or Oprah attach photos or your little ones? Maybe that would catch their attention. Maybe I'll write too.....

a.

----- Original Message -----

From: Cummings-Hall,

'Plagiocephalyegroups'

Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 9:41 AM

Subject: RE: getting the word out

That's great!!! What was the e-mail address? I'll send one too!! I am in the process of writing to Parents, Parenting and Child Mag. I get all 3 of these and have never seen anything on this topic. Has anyone else? The magazines have been my main resource since we starting trying to get pregnant. I can't help but feel that if I had read about this earlier I could have done something to help before now!! Hunter's plagio is totally a result of him sleeping on his back with his head turned completely to the left (no tort or anything). If I had know then what I know now maybe repositioning would have worked more for us! Maybe if we all write in, we can get some exposure!!!

-----Original Message----- From: kindra m [sMTP:kindram@...] Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 11:26 AM plagiocephalyegroups; torticolliskidsegroups Subject: getting the word out

Hey everyone,

we all talk about getting the word out about plagio, tort and cranio. Have any of you emailed Oprah or Rosie your stories??? I did b/c I just thought, hey, why not try???? It would be a great way to get our stories out there and increase awareness! -Kindra and Hannah (2/12/00) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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