Questions

[Guest guest]

--

Jerky is a good source of protien. Get the turkey jerky if u r

concerned about fat. Bring some fruit and jerky with you and you

have your balanced meal! Not sure about the Gatorade--I heard it was

bad too but can't remember why. Can you just bring water? It's

cheaper. Then you can spend your gatorade money on a Myoplex bar--

that would also be a great choice to pack with you.

Donna H.

[Guest guest]

,

> I'm a cyclist, I like to go out for hours on the weekends, and bike

> 50 miles or so. I like to do both Saterday and Sunday, but

> sometimes can only get one day done in a weekend. My common fare

> for these trips has been beef jerky and gatorade,

Gatorade is basically sugar water; you're not doing your body much

good with that stuff.

> but I don't think that fits in, both with the new way of eating,

> and also with having six meals. Sometimes I'll bike for four

> hours, and there should be a meal in there somewhere. Is there

> anything I can take with me to eat on the fly?

A meal replacement shake would be great. In fact, that would be

perfect if you're biking for about 4 hours. And if it were a shake

you made yourself and which used water instead of milk for the

liquid, that would help keep your body hydrated as well.

However, I'd like to ask you what your goals are with BFL. Do you

want to gain muscle? Extensive biking will tend to militate against

that because your body will seek to shed weight in order to adapt to

the rigours of biking.

< People tell me that gatorade does more damage than good, but

looking on the internet I can't find anything to prove it. >

Just read the nutrient label. What's in it? Mostly sugar, and it's

best to avoid refined carbs except on your free day. It's also

loaded with sodium, which militates against cell hydration,

ironically.

> Does this fit in with BFL?

No.

> Once again, I'm a college student, of limited resources. When I

> see yogurt on sale, I have the urge to buy a lot, as I know it's

> something I'll be eating a lot of. However we have the

> dreaded 'best before' date. If this creeps up on me, and I'm about

> to run out of time, can I stave it off by freezing the yogurt, or

> is this something that doesn't work?

I've frozen yogurt before without problems.

Andy

[Guest guest]

>

> 1. Foreman Grill

> Do these things work?

We have one and I love it. It's probably the most frequently used

appliance next to the blender!

> 2. Cycling

My husband and I both cycle. We average 150 miles a week. I'd stay

with the jerky, but skip the gatorade. It contains a lot of sodium

which could help dehydrate you. We both carry two water bottles, one

with plain water, the other with juice. I dilute mine about 50%. I

can't stand the taste of all that sugar while cycling. We also carry

Cliff bars and power gel. You need the carbs to get you through your

ride. If you use the carbs during your ride, they are readily

available to you for energy and you won't start catabalizing muscle.

There is no reason for cycling to be counter productive to BFL. You

have to plan, plan, plan. I've been able to decrease my time and

increase my endurance. I'm not losing muscle, nor is my hubby.

> 4. Freezing Yogurt

Can't help you with that one.

> > 5. Measurements

> What are the common measurements to take before the

> challenge. Weight, body fat, waist size, is there anything else?

neck, forearm, both biceps, chest, waist, hips, thighs, calves

MP

[Guest guest]

>2. & 3. Cycling - ROCKS!!! - Gadorade is very good for endurance work, so

>only use it when you go for those massive rides. Also, instead of beef

>jerky (too high in sodium usually) go for an EAS Protein bar. Make sure it

>is low in carbs and sugar... you'll get enough carbs and sugar from the

>Gatorade.

I have to disagree... nix the gatorade (pure surgar... I checked the

bottle). And Jerky is pretty good for you. Packed with protein! You can

check out the labels and find one with lesser sodium in it. If you're

concerned about the sodium content, drink extra water (you should be doing

anyway because of the long bike ride).

Lana

[Guest guest]

I have answers to a few of your questions....I LOVE my foreman grill, I

actually don't cook meat any other way than the grill. It is fast and

easy and it tastes wonderful!!

As for the frozen yogurt, I wouldn't suggest it. I had the same idea,

actually I was looking for something that would taste like ice cream and

my brilliant idea was to freeze my yogurt, so it is like frozen yogurt,

but it did not turn out like that at all!!! It gets watery as it melts

and if you eat it frozen, it has a yucky watery taste to it. So I

wouldn't suggest doing that.

Nikki

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[Guest guest]

I have answers to a few of your questions....I LOVE my foreman grill, I

actually don't cook meat any other way than the grill. It is fast and

easy and it tastes wonderful!!

As for the frozen yogurt, I wouldn't suggest it. I had the same idea,

actually I was looking for something that would taste like ice cream and

my brilliant idea was to freeze my yogurt, so it is like frozen yogurt,

but it did not turn out like that at all!!! It gets watery as it melts

and if you eat it frozen, it has a yucky watery taste to it. So I

wouldn't suggest doing that.

Nikki

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[Guest guest]

If you order more than $100, the shipping is free. I always order at

least $100 of stuff so I don't have to pay shipping. They are really

fast too. I usually have my stuff within 5-7 days if it is in stock.

Andyman

> Thanks for the NutritionMegastore.com reference. I was paying

almost $2.50 a

> packet locally. $1.50 is much better.

>

> Todd

[Guest guest]

If you order more than $100, the shipping is free. I always order at

least $100 of stuff so I don't have to pay shipping. They are really

fast too. I usually have my stuff within 5-7 days if it is in stock.

Andyman

> Thanks for the NutritionMegastore.com reference. I was paying

almost $2.50 a

> packet locally. $1.50 is much better.

>

> Todd

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the NutritionMegastore.com reference. I was paying almost $2.50 a packet locally. $1.50 is much better.

Todd

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the NutritionMegastore.com reference. I was paying almost $2.50 a packet locally. $1.50 is much better.

Todd

[Guest guest]

,

You can call EAS (800)297-9776 or go to their website to order these videos. The Body of Work is the 1st one. It has the first 10 Grand Champions. It follows their stories and is about 2 hours.

The Success Stories 1 had Adair. She really goes nuts when she wins. Lots of other great people too. It runs a little over an hour.

Success Stories 2 has 2 couples that win. Queen who is really sweet. Some follow-up stories about the original Champions too, and a lot of others. A little over an hour also, I believe.

I can't say enough nice things about these tapes. I learn something new each time I watch them. With the shipping, I **think** they were about $25 or so for the three. Well worth it!

I noticed they had audio tapes of some on their site the other day, but none of women. I called and they do have one available from Meridith Brown. I'll let you know how it is. It is supposed to be all about how they trained, ate, etc.

The other

Re: Questions

I have the Foreman grill and love it too. How do you get the Body of Work video? I have been trying to find it.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

It sounds like you're off to a good start. Maybe you have low blood

sugar or are dehydrated. Blacking out is not good. Eat something

first and see if that alleviates the light-headedness. You want to

stay healthy and not be miserable! I'm no expert though -- do any of

you more experienced BFLers disagree with this? I take martial arts

classes and was getting like that during classes (in the evening)

because I was really dehydrated, and because of how I was eating.

Would you believe since I've started the BFL diet and drinking so

much water that NEVER happens any more! Jeanne

> Hi,

>

> I'm on Day 2 of my first challenge and I've noticed some things I

> don't really like.

>

> 1. The first day I did my upper body workout and blacked out for a

> few seconds after I was done with the last rep (about 3 minutes

> after), luckily I was against a wall so I didn't fall.

>

> 2. Today I ran for my aerobics. I felt like I was going to pass out

> again. I run so much slower and I have such a difficult time

running

> then I normally do when I run in the evening after I had eaten

> something.

>

> 3. Everyone says they feel great on this program and I know it has

> only been two days but so far I'm hating it. It doesn't help that

> finding good vegetarian recipes for this plan is very difficult.

>

> I'm also craving Honey Nut Cheerios like crazy, I keep fantasizing

> about them.

>

> I won't give up. I'm too determined. I just want to know if this is

> something other people experience in the beginning.

>

> Thanks,

>

> & ><

[Guest guest]

I'm not an expert either, but I remember my first day I felt like

crap and I didn't know why. I was sitting at the computer completely

wiped out and it was just the beginning of the day; I had no energy.

The fine folks here asked what I was eating and I was WAY under the

requirements. I had one pancake for the first meal, and 1/2 c.

cottage cheese and a yogurt for the second; no wonder!! I felt so

much better the next day when I ate the right portions. So maybe you

could tell us what you're eating too. HTH Sherah

> Hi,

>

> I'm on Day 2 of my first challenge and I've noticed some things I

> don't really like.

>

> 1. The first day I did my upper body workout and blacked out for a

> few seconds after I was done with the last rep (about 3 minutes

> after), luckily I was against a wall so I didn't fall.

>

> 2. Today I ran for my aerobics. I felt like I was going to pass out

> again. I run so much slower and I have such a difficult time

running

> then I normally do when I run in the evening after I had eaten

> something.

>

> 3. Everyone says they feel great on this program and I know it has

> only been two days but so far I'm hating it. It doesn't help that

> finding good vegetarian recipes for this plan is very difficult.

>

> I'm also craving Honey Nut Cheerios like crazy, I keep fantasizing

> about them.

>

> I won't give up. I'm too determined. I just want to know if this is

> something other people experience in the beginning.

>

> Thanks,

>

> & ><

[Guest guest]

> Hi,

>

> I'm on Day 2 of my first challenge and I've noticed some things I

> don't really like.

>

> 1. The first day I did my upper body workout and blacked out for a

> few seconds after I was done with the last rep (about 3 minutes

> after), luckily I was against a wall so I didn't fall.

>

> 2. Today I ran for my aerobics. I felt like I was going to pass out

> again. I run so much slower and I have such a difficult time

running

> then I normally do when I run in the evening after I had eaten

> something.

How long did you run? If it was a long run it's possible this is why

you'd hate the program. Your total workout time, including aerobics,

should be under 4 hrs. per week.

> 3. Everyone says they feel great on this program and I know it has

> only been two days but so far I'm hating it. It doesn't help that

> finding good vegetarian recipes for this plan is very difficult.

See both " Vegetarian Vision " and " Myths of Vegetarianism " in the

Files section.

> I'm also craving Honey Nut Cheerios like crazy, I keep fantasizing

> about them.

Then indulge yourself on the free day.

With this or other structured, disciplined programs, it comes down to

one question: How bad do you want it?

Regards,

Andy

[Guest guest]

> " why do my hands and butt go numb when i bike ride? "

HAHAHAHA!!! Used to happen to me when I first started--no idea why.

Guess in my case, lack of use?? It has gone away though-- if that

helps any.

Donna H.

[Guest guest]

> " why do my hands and butt go numb when i bike ride? "

HAHAHAHA!!! Used to happen to me when I first started--no idea why.

Guess in my case, lack of use?? It has gone away though-- if that

helps any.

Donna H.

[Guest guest]

Have you checked the price of Myoplex online? Don't pay retail.

You can get it 40-50% off online.

Andyman

> what's the consensus for taking things like diet fuel, metabolift,

etc while on bfl?

>

> does myoplex contain milk derivatives?

>

> any alternatives to myoplex? it's a bit expensive for my budget.

>

> why do my hands and butt go numb when i bike ride?

>

> are there any egroups seperated into challenge weeks. i've found

the # of messages on this group to be very numerous and limited in

content (being a list owner of several of my own lists, i know this

is the state of most groups: not clipping messages, one-to-one

conversations being sent to the group, replying with " thank you " s and

one sentence non-relevant stuff people think is funny), it's almost

enough to make someone unsubscribe. and i mean no dissrespect to the

group either. It's just that .......wow.

>

> i would also think that a message board would be a good way to

seperate the bfl challenge and provide a spot for people to post

messages in a content specific area.

>

> 1.myoplex

> 2.nutrition

> 3.training

> 4.newbie

> 5.chat

> 6.my pants fit

>

> and so on and so forth.

>

> are there any boards like this out there?

[Guest guest]

,

Jimmy sounds similar to my son Sam in many respects. Sam is physically

delayed due to left sided hemi-paresis, but he can walk, run, climb, ride a

scooter, etc. Sam's most difficult area also is language. He has been

mostly non-verbal, but says some words which we can understand, and talks

constantly with words we cannot understand. He makes vowel sounds very

well, but consonants are difficult. Sam also has oral motor difficulties;

he drools, doesn't chew his food well, has poor lip strength and tongue

movement. All of these things continue to improve, but progress is slow.

In just the last couple of years he has learned to blow, but sucking through

a straw is still very difficult for him.

Because of the language delays it is very hard to test cognitive abilities.

When Sam finally received a non-verbal intelligence test (I think at the end

of first grade) he tested in the low-normal range. Sam has always

understood sign language better than he understand spoken language (though

he shows no hearing loss). He also seems to understand my speech better

than he understands someone else. I have never been able to understand why

this is. Someone has written about their child having an auditory

processing problem. I wonder if this may be the case with Sam, but it has

not been diagnosed.

Keep your hopes up for reading; Sam is learning to read, but as with

everything else, it's been slow going. He is reading at about a first grade

level, I'd say. I get so frustrated, because I feel so strongly that if I

could just find the right method to teach him, he could learn so much more,

but I just don't know what that right method is!! He often shows us how

intelligent he is, his visual memory is great. If we are in the car, and I

make a wrong turn, or go somewhere unexpected, he immediately questions it,

because he knows where we should be turning whether it's going to a

relative's house, or a store, or school. He loves NASCAR, and can tell you

who drives just about any car, which driver's are brothers, who has a new

paint job, and more details about the last race than I can remember myself!

I just don't know how to parlay these things into reading and math!

What kind of schooling does Jimmy do? Sam is in an elementary school which

has a class that has a combination of deaf/hard of hearing kids and hearing

kids. This has been great for his social and communication skills, being

around all these kids who are using speech and sign language. But for

academics he really needs one-on-one time. Sam also gets distracted very

easily, which can make learning difficult (or completing many tasks for that

matter). His neuro recently prescribed Ritalin for him to see if it will

help with that. So far we're not sure if makes any difference, but we'll

see how things go when school starts.

Thanks for sharing,

Christie, mom to Sam (10 years old, BPP)

[Guest guest]

,

Jimmy sounds similar to my son Sam in many respects. Sam is physically

delayed due to left sided hemi-paresis, but he can walk, run, climb, ride a

scooter, etc. Sam's most difficult area also is language. He has been

mostly non-verbal, but says some words which we can understand, and talks

constantly with words we cannot understand. He makes vowel sounds very

well, but consonants are difficult. Sam also has oral motor difficulties;

he drools, doesn't chew his food well, has poor lip strength and tongue

movement. All of these things continue to improve, but progress is slow.

In just the last couple of years he has learned to blow, but sucking through

a straw is still very difficult for him.

Because of the language delays it is very hard to test cognitive abilities.

When Sam finally received a non-verbal intelligence test (I think at the end

of first grade) he tested in the low-normal range. Sam has always

understood sign language better than he understand spoken language (though

he shows no hearing loss). He also seems to understand my speech better

than he understands someone else. I have never been able to understand why

this is. Someone has written about their child having an auditory

processing problem. I wonder if this may be the case with Sam, but it has

not been diagnosed.

Keep your hopes up for reading; Sam is learning to read, but as with

everything else, it's been slow going. He is reading at about a first grade

level, I'd say. I get so frustrated, because I feel so strongly that if I

could just find the right method to teach him, he could learn so much more,

but I just don't know what that right method is!! He often shows us how

intelligent he is, his visual memory is great. If we are in the car, and I

make a wrong turn, or go somewhere unexpected, he immediately questions it,

because he knows where we should be turning whether it's going to a

relative's house, or a store, or school. He loves NASCAR, and can tell you

who drives just about any car, which driver's are brothers, who has a new

paint job, and more details about the last race than I can remember myself!

I just don't know how to parlay these things into reading and math!

What kind of schooling does Jimmy do? Sam is in an elementary school which

has a class that has a combination of deaf/hard of hearing kids and hearing

kids. This has been great for his social and communication skills, being

around all these kids who are using speech and sign language. But for

academics he really needs one-on-one time. Sam also gets distracted very

easily, which can make learning difficult (or completing many tasks for that

matter). His neuro recently prescribed Ritalin for him to see if it will

help with that. So far we're not sure if makes any difference, but we'll

see how things go when school starts.

Thanks for sharing,

Christie, mom to Sam (10 years old, BPP)

[Guest guest]

,

Jimmy sounds similar to my son Sam in many respects. Sam is physically

delayed due to left sided hemi-paresis, but he can walk, run, climb, ride a

scooter, etc. Sam's most difficult area also is language. He has been

mostly non-verbal, but says some words which we can understand, and talks

constantly with words we cannot understand. He makes vowel sounds very

well, but consonants are difficult. Sam also has oral motor difficulties;

he drools, doesn't chew his food well, has poor lip strength and tongue

movement. All of these things continue to improve, but progress is slow.

In just the last couple of years he has learned to blow, but sucking through

a straw is still very difficult for him.

Because of the language delays it is very hard to test cognitive abilities.

When Sam finally received a non-verbal intelligence test (I think at the end

of first grade) he tested in the low-normal range. Sam has always

understood sign language better than he understand spoken language (though

he shows no hearing loss). He also seems to understand my speech better

than he understands someone else. I have never been able to understand why

this is. Someone has written about their child having an auditory

processing problem. I wonder if this may be the case with Sam, but it has

not been diagnosed.

Keep your hopes up for reading; Sam is learning to read, but as with

everything else, it's been slow going. He is reading at about a first grade

level, I'd say. I get so frustrated, because I feel so strongly that if I

could just find the right method to teach him, he could learn so much more,

but I just don't know what that right method is!! He often shows us how

intelligent he is, his visual memory is great. If we are in the car, and I

make a wrong turn, or go somewhere unexpected, he immediately questions it,

because he knows where we should be turning whether it's going to a

relative's house, or a store, or school. He loves NASCAR, and can tell you

who drives just about any car, which driver's are brothers, who has a new

paint job, and more details about the last race than I can remember myself!

I just don't know how to parlay these things into reading and math!

What kind of schooling does Jimmy do? Sam is in an elementary school which

has a class that has a combination of deaf/hard of hearing kids and hearing

kids. This has been great for his social and communication skills, being

around all these kids who are using speech and sign language. But for

academics he really needs one-on-one time. Sam also gets distracted very

easily, which can make learning difficult (or completing many tasks for that

matter). His neuro recently prescribed Ritalin for him to see if it will

help with that. So far we're not sure if makes any difference, but we'll

see how things go when school starts.

Thanks for sharing,

Christie, mom to Sam (10 years old, BPP)

[Guest guest]

Hi . Hope things are going ok for you. Funny thing is before I came

to work for the VA Hospital, I worked for Fairview in Bloomington! Fairview

is not far at all! Very good care comes from Fairview, but it is hard to

work there. When I was there, there was a lot of cut backs and staffing

shortages. Which Fairview does she work at (they have several hospitals and

clinics - seems they are growing!!)?

Take care .

questions

Sandie,

Am I under the correct impression that your uncle has LBD too? Is he older

or

younger than your father was?

When is this seminar in Mpls? I probably couldn't go, but maybe my sister

could. She lives in Lino Lakes. That brings up my next question:

,

My sister works in the lab at Fairview. Is that near you?

(I'll wave when I fly over) from Florida

[Guest guest]

Hi . Hope things are going ok for you. Funny thing is before I came

to work for the VA Hospital, I worked for Fairview in Bloomington! Fairview

is not far at all! Very good care comes from Fairview, but it is hard to

work there. When I was there, there was a lot of cut backs and staffing

shortages. Which Fairview does she work at (they have several hospitals and

clinics - seems they are growing!!)?

Take care .

questions

Sandie,

Am I under the correct impression that your uncle has LBD too? Is he older

or

younger than your father was?

When is this seminar in Mpls? I probably couldn't go, but maybe my sister

could. She lives in Lino Lakes. That brings up my next question:

,

My sister works in the lab at Fairview. Is that near you?

(I'll wave when I fly over) from Florida

[Guest guest]

In answer to your question, my Uncle is 68 and has been diagnosed with

Parkinson's for about 10 yrs. He is 3 yrs older than my dad. Just

within the past 3 weeks or so he has starting to have hallucinations.

So far no LBD diagnosis, just waiting to hear how his progression is

going. Thank you for asking about him.

Still haven't heard on the times, and dates for the seminar...but will

pass along the info. as soon as I get it.

Sandie

[Guest guest]

People die from all sorts of things.

Isolating where e-coli comes from is difficult. When I run across anecdotal

information I often inquire as to what other deaths she saw in the practice,

and what the basis for making the diagnosis was, etc. CDC would have on file if

this incident happened in the last several decades. Presenting your daughter

(her age?) with data indicating the safety of raw milk would be good, but also

showing how unsubstantiated anecdotal info can be dangerous is a positive

step. In addition, she needs to inquire about her friend’s attitude IN

GENERAL concerning raw milk, i.e. was she already afraid of it? What is her

attitude about other “out of the norm” dietary issues? Help

your daughter to learn to analyze the source and validity.

www.MajestyFarm.com

It must be obvious that liberty necessarily means freedom to

choose foolishly as well as wisely; freedom to choose evil as well as good;

freedom to enjoy the rewards of good judgment, and freedom to suffer the

penalties of bad judgment. If this is not true, the word " freedom "

has no meaning. – Ben Moreell

From:

Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004

4:43 AM

To: RawDairy

Subject: Questions

Last night at dinner, my oldest daughter raised

some concerns to me

about our drinking raw milk. She said she's

discussed it with some

of her friends and co-workers, and each time she

brings it up, they

all tell her how dangerous raw dairy is! She is no

longer drinking

it and said she wants to read up on it more and do

some research

before she can feel comfortable drinking raw

milk. When I asked her

what they say is so dangerous about raw dairy, she

said they all

told her you can die from Ecoli because it hasn't

been pasteurized.

Her best friend was the most adamant, telling her

" that's like

playing Russian roulette! " . My

daughter's best friend is a nanny

and she told my daughter that her former employer

was a pediatrician

who treated a family of 3 children who supposedly

got sick from

drinking raw milk. She said one of the children

died, and the other

came close to dying. This was in Buffalo, NY...anyone

else ever

heard of this?

I am not afraid of drinking raw dairy, but

comments from people like

this really annoy me. I'd like to hear what

other people think

about the negative reactions from non Raw Dairy

people out there, or

any helpful suggestions in what to say or how to

deal with them.

I'd appreciate it. Mostly I just don't discuss it

or tell people

we're drinking raw dairy, mainly because I don't

want to have to

justify myself to anyone.

Thanks,

PLEASE BE

KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!

Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of

information!

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

[Guest guest]

People die from all sorts of things.

Isolating where e-coli comes from is difficult. When I run across anecdotal

information I often inquire as to what other deaths she saw in the practice,

and what the basis for making the diagnosis was, etc. CDC would have on file if

this incident happened in the last several decades. Presenting your daughter

(her age?) with data indicating the safety of raw milk would be good, but also

showing how unsubstantiated anecdotal info can be dangerous is a positive

step. In addition, she needs to inquire about her friend’s attitude IN

GENERAL concerning raw milk, i.e. was she already afraid of it? What is her

attitude about other “out of the norm” dietary issues? Help

your daughter to learn to analyze the source and validity.

www.MajestyFarm.com

It must be obvious that liberty necessarily means freedom to

choose foolishly as well as wisely; freedom to choose evil as well as good;

freedom to enjoy the rewards of good judgment, and freedom to suffer the

penalties of bad judgment. If this is not true, the word " freedom "

has no meaning. – Ben Moreell

From:

Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004

4:43 AM

To: RawDairy

Subject: Questions

Last night at dinner, my oldest daughter raised

some concerns to me

about our drinking raw milk. She said she's

discussed it with some

of her friends and co-workers, and each time she

brings it up, they

all tell her how dangerous raw dairy is! She is no

longer drinking

it and said she wants to read up on it more and do

some research

before she can feel comfortable drinking raw

milk. When I asked her

what they say is so dangerous about raw dairy, she

said they all

told her you can die from Ecoli because it hasn't

been pasteurized.

Her best friend was the most adamant, telling her

" that's like

playing Russian roulette! " . My

daughter's best friend is a nanny

and she told my daughter that her former employer

was a pediatrician

who treated a family of 3 children who supposedly

got sick from

drinking raw milk. She said one of the children

died, and the other

came close to dying. This was in Buffalo, NY...anyone

else ever

heard of this?

I am not afraid of drinking raw dairy, but

comments from people like

this really annoy me. I'd like to hear what

other people think

about the negative reactions from non Raw Dairy

people out there, or

any helpful suggestions in what to say or how to

deal with them.

I'd appreciate it. Mostly I just don't discuss it

or tell people

we're drinking raw dairy, mainly because I don't

want to have to

justify myself to anyone.

Thanks,

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