Guest guest Posted July 8, 2001 Report Share Posted July 8, 2001 -- Jerky is a good source of protien. Get the turkey jerky if u r concerned about fat. Bring some fruit and jerky with you and you have your balanced meal! Not sure about the Gatorade--I heard it was bad too but can't remember why. Can you just bring water? It's cheaper. Then you can spend your gatorade money on a Myoplex bar-- that would also be a great choice to pack with you. Donna H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2001 Report Share Posted July 9, 2001 , > I'm a cyclist, I like to go out for hours on the weekends, and bike > 50 miles or so. I like to do both Saterday and Sunday, but > sometimes can only get one day done in a weekend. My common fare > for these trips has been beef jerky and gatorade, Gatorade is basically sugar water; you're not doing your body much good with that stuff. > but I don't think that fits in, both with the new way of eating, > and also with having six meals. Sometimes I'll bike for four > hours, and there should be a meal in there somewhere. Is there > anything I can take with me to eat on the fly? A meal replacement shake would be great. In fact, that would be perfect if you're biking for about 4 hours. And if it were a shake you made yourself and which used water instead of milk for the liquid, that would help keep your body hydrated as well. However, I'd like to ask you what your goals are with BFL. Do you want to gain muscle? Extensive biking will tend to militate against that because your body will seek to shed weight in order to adapt to the rigours of biking. < People tell me that gatorade does more damage than good, but looking on the internet I can't find anything to prove it. > Just read the nutrient label. What's in it? Mostly sugar, and it's best to avoid refined carbs except on your free day. It's also loaded with sodium, which militates against cell hydration, ironically. > Does this fit in with BFL? No. > Once again, I'm a college student, of limited resources. When I > see yogurt on sale, I have the urge to buy a lot, as I know it's > something I'll be eating a lot of. However we have the > dreaded 'best before' date. If this creeps up on me, and I'm about > to run out of time, can I stave it off by freezing the yogurt, or > is this something that doesn't work? I've frozen yogurt before without problems. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2001 Report Share Posted July 9, 2001 > > 1. Foreman Grill > Do these things work? We have one and I love it. It's probably the most frequently used appliance next to the blender! > 2. Cycling My husband and I both cycle. We average 150 miles a week. I'd stay with the jerky, but skip the gatorade. It contains a lot of sodium which could help dehydrate you. We both carry two water bottles, one with plain water, the other with juice. I dilute mine about 50%. I can't stand the taste of all that sugar while cycling. We also carry Cliff bars and power gel. You need the carbs to get you through your ride. If you use the carbs during your ride, they are readily available to you for energy and you won't start catabalizing muscle. There is no reason for cycling to be counter productive to BFL. You have to plan, plan, plan. I've been able to decrease my time and increase my endurance. I'm not losing muscle, nor is my hubby. > 4. Freezing Yogurt Can't help you with that one. > > 5. Measurements > What are the common measurements to take before the > challenge. Weight, body fat, waist size, is there anything else? neck, forearm, both biceps, chest, waist, hips, thighs, calves MP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2001 Report Share Posted July 9, 2001 >2. & 3. Cycling - ROCKS!!! - Gadorade is very good for endurance work, so >only use it when you go for those massive rides. Also, instead of beef >jerky (too high in sodium usually) go for an EAS Protein bar. Make sure it >is low in carbs and sugar... you'll get enough carbs and sugar from the >Gatorade. I have to disagree... nix the gatorade (pure surgar... I checked the bottle). And Jerky is pretty good for you. Packed with protein! You can check out the labels and find one with lesser sodium in it. If you're concerned about the sodium content, drink extra water (you should be doing anyway because of the long bike ride). Lana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2001 Report Share Posted July 9, 2001 I have answers to a few of your questions....I LOVE my foreman grill, I actually don't cook meat any other way than the grill. It is fast and easy and it tastes wonderful!! As for the frozen yogurt, I wouldn't suggest it. I had the same idea, actually I was looking for something that would taste like ice cream and my brilliant idea was to freeze my yogurt, so it is like frozen yogurt, but it did not turn out like that at all!!! It gets watery as it melts and if you eat it frozen, it has a yucky watery taste to it. So I wouldn't suggest doing that. Nikki ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2001 Report Share Posted July 9, 2001 I have answers to a few of your questions....I LOVE my foreman grill, I actually don't cook meat any other way than the grill. It is fast and easy and it tastes wonderful!! As for the frozen yogurt, I wouldn't suggest it. I had the same idea, actually I was looking for something that would taste like ice cream and my brilliant idea was to freeze my yogurt, so it is like frozen yogurt, but it did not turn out like that at all!!! It gets watery as it melts and if you eat it frozen, it has a yucky watery taste to it. So I wouldn't suggest doing that. Nikki ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2001 Report Share Posted July 9, 2001 If you order more than $100, the shipping is free. I always order at least $100 of stuff so I don't have to pay shipping. They are really fast too. I usually have my stuff within 5-7 days if it is in stock. Andyman > Thanks for the NutritionMegastore.com reference. I was paying almost $2.50 a > packet locally. $1.50 is much better. > > Todd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2001 Report Share Posted July 9, 2001 If you order more than $100, the shipping is free. I always order at least $100 of stuff so I don't have to pay shipping. They are really fast too. I usually have my stuff within 5-7 days if it is in stock. Andyman > Thanks for the NutritionMegastore.com reference. I was paying almost $2.50 a > packet locally. $1.50 is much better. > > Todd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2001 Report Share Posted July 9, 2001 Thanks for the NutritionMegastore.com reference. I was paying almost $2.50 a packet locally. $1.50 is much better. Todd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2001 Report Share Posted July 9, 2001 Thanks for the NutritionMegastore.com reference. I was paying almost $2.50 a packet locally. $1.50 is much better. Todd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2001 Report Share Posted July 10, 2001 , You can call EAS (800)297-9776 or go to their website to order these videos. The Body of Work is the 1st one. It has the first 10 Grand Champions. It follows their stories and is about 2 hours. The Success Stories 1 had Adair. She really goes nuts when she wins. Lots of other great people too. It runs a little over an hour. Success Stories 2 has 2 couples that win. Queen who is really sweet. Some follow-up stories about the original Champions too, and a lot of others. A little over an hour also, I believe. I can't say enough nice things about these tapes. I learn something new each time I watch them. With the shipping, I **think** they were about $25 or so for the three. Well worth it! I noticed they had audio tapes of some on their site the other day, but none of women. I called and they do have one available from Meridith Brown. I'll let you know how it is. It is supposed to be all about how they trained, ate, etc. The other Re: Questions I have the Foreman grill and love it too. How do you get the Body of Work video? I have been trying to find it. Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2001 Report Share Posted July 23, 2001 It sounds like you're off to a good start. Maybe you have low blood sugar or are dehydrated. Blacking out is not good. Eat something first and see if that alleviates the light-headedness. You want to stay healthy and not be miserable! I'm no expert though -- do any of you more experienced BFLers disagree with this? I take martial arts classes and was getting like that during classes (in the evening) because I was really dehydrated, and because of how I was eating. Would you believe since I've started the BFL diet and drinking so much water that NEVER happens any more! Jeanne > Hi, > > I'm on Day 2 of my first challenge and I've noticed some things I > don't really like. > > 1. The first day I did my upper body workout and blacked out for a > few seconds after I was done with the last rep (about 3 minutes > after), luckily I was against a wall so I didn't fall. > > 2. Today I ran for my aerobics. I felt like I was going to pass out > again. I run so much slower and I have such a difficult time running > then I normally do when I run in the evening after I had eaten > something. > > 3. Everyone says they feel great on this program and I know it has > only been two days but so far I'm hating it. It doesn't help that > finding good vegetarian recipes for this plan is very difficult. > > I'm also craving Honey Nut Cheerios like crazy, I keep fantasizing > about them. > > I won't give up. I'm too determined. I just want to know if this is > something other people experience in the beginning. > > Thanks, > > & >< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2001 Report Share Posted July 24, 2001 I'm not an expert either, but I remember my first day I felt like crap and I didn't know why. I was sitting at the computer completely wiped out and it was just the beginning of the day; I had no energy. The fine folks here asked what I was eating and I was WAY under the requirements. I had one pancake for the first meal, and 1/2 c. cottage cheese and a yogurt for the second; no wonder!! I felt so much better the next day when I ate the right portions. So maybe you could tell us what you're eating too. HTH Sherah > Hi, > > I'm on Day 2 of my first challenge and I've noticed some things I > don't really like. > > 1. The first day I did my upper body workout and blacked out for a > few seconds after I was done with the last rep (about 3 minutes > after), luckily I was against a wall so I didn't fall. > > 2. Today I ran for my aerobics. I felt like I was going to pass out > again. I run so much slower and I have such a difficult time running > then I normally do when I run in the evening after I had eaten > something. > > 3. Everyone says they feel great on this program and I know it has > only been two days but so far I'm hating it. It doesn't help that > finding good vegetarian recipes for this plan is very difficult. > > I'm also craving Honey Nut Cheerios like crazy, I keep fantasizing > about them. > > I won't give up. I'm too determined. I just want to know if this is > something other people experience in the beginning. > > Thanks, > > & >< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2001 Report Share Posted July 24, 2001 > Hi, > > I'm on Day 2 of my first challenge and I've noticed some things I > don't really like. > > 1. The first day I did my upper body workout and blacked out for a > few seconds after I was done with the last rep (about 3 minutes > after), luckily I was against a wall so I didn't fall. > > 2. Today I ran for my aerobics. I felt like I was going to pass out > again. I run so much slower and I have such a difficult time running > then I normally do when I run in the evening after I had eaten > something. How long did you run? If it was a long run it's possible this is why you'd hate the program. Your total workout time, including aerobics, should be under 4 hrs. per week. > 3. Everyone says they feel great on this program and I know it has > only been two days but so far I'm hating it. It doesn't help that > finding good vegetarian recipes for this plan is very difficult. See both " Vegetarian Vision " and " Myths of Vegetarianism " in the Files section. > I'm also craving Honey Nut Cheerios like crazy, I keep fantasizing > about them. Then indulge yourself on the free day. With this or other structured, disciplined programs, it comes down to one question: How bad do you want it? Regards, Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2001 Report Share Posted July 26, 2001 > " why do my hands and butt go numb when i bike ride? " HAHAHAHA!!! Used to happen to me when I first started--no idea why. Guess in my case, lack of use?? It has gone away though-- if that helps any. Donna H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2001 Report Share Posted July 26, 2001 > " why do my hands and butt go numb when i bike ride? " HAHAHAHA!!! Used to happen to me when I first started--no idea why. Guess in my case, lack of use?? It has gone away though-- if that helps any. Donna H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2001 Report Share Posted July 26, 2001 Have you checked the price of Myoplex online? Don't pay retail. You can get it 40-50% off online. Andyman > what's the consensus for taking things like diet fuel, metabolift, etc while on bfl? > > does myoplex contain milk derivatives? > > any alternatives to myoplex? it's a bit expensive for my budget. > > why do my hands and butt go numb when i bike ride? > > are there any egroups seperated into challenge weeks. i've found the # of messages on this group to be very numerous and limited in content (being a list owner of several of my own lists, i know this is the state of most groups: not clipping messages, one-to-one conversations being sent to the group, replying with " thank you " s and one sentence non-relevant stuff people think is funny), it's almost enough to make someone unsubscribe. and i mean no dissrespect to the group either. It's just that .......wow. > > i would also think that a message board would be a good way to seperate the bfl challenge and provide a spot for people to post messages in a content specific area. > > 1.myoplex > 2.nutrition > 3.training > 4.newbie > 5.chat > 6.my pants fit > > and so on and so forth. > > are there any boards like this out there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2001 Report Share Posted August 27, 2001 , Jimmy sounds similar to my son Sam in many respects. Sam is physically delayed due to left sided hemi-paresis, but he can walk, run, climb, ride a scooter, etc. Sam's most difficult area also is language. He has been mostly non-verbal, but says some words which we can understand, and talks constantly with words we cannot understand. He makes vowel sounds very well, but consonants are difficult. Sam also has oral motor difficulties; he drools, doesn't chew his food well, has poor lip strength and tongue movement. All of these things continue to improve, but progress is slow. In just the last couple of years he has learned to blow, but sucking through a straw is still very difficult for him. Because of the language delays it is very hard to test cognitive abilities. When Sam finally received a non-verbal intelligence test (I think at the end of first grade) he tested in the low-normal range. Sam has always understood sign language better than he understand spoken language (though he shows no hearing loss). He also seems to understand my speech better than he understands someone else. I have never been able to understand why this is. Someone has written about their child having an auditory processing problem. I wonder if this may be the case with Sam, but it has not been diagnosed. Keep your hopes up for reading; Sam is learning to read, but as with everything else, it's been slow going. He is reading at about a first grade level, I'd say. I get so frustrated, because I feel so strongly that if I could just find the right method to teach him, he could learn so much more, but I just don't know what that right method is!! He often shows us how intelligent he is, his visual memory is great. If we are in the car, and I make a wrong turn, or go somewhere unexpected, he immediately questions it, because he knows where we should be turning whether it's going to a relative's house, or a store, or school. He loves NASCAR, and can tell you who drives just about any car, which driver's are brothers, who has a new paint job, and more details about the last race than I can remember myself! I just don't know how to parlay these things into reading and math! What kind of schooling does Jimmy do? Sam is in an elementary school which has a class that has a combination of deaf/hard of hearing kids and hearing kids. This has been great for his social and communication skills, being around all these kids who are using speech and sign language. But for academics he really needs one-on-one time. Sam also gets distracted very easily, which can make learning difficult (or completing many tasks for that matter). His neuro recently prescribed Ritalin for him to see if it will help with that. So far we're not sure if makes any difference, but we'll see how things go when school starts. Thanks for sharing, Christie, mom to Sam (10 years old, BPP) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2001 Report Share Posted August 27, 2001 , Jimmy sounds similar to my son Sam in many respects. Sam is physically delayed due to left sided hemi-paresis, but he can walk, run, climb, ride a scooter, etc. Sam's most difficult area also is language. He has been mostly non-verbal, but says some words which we can understand, and talks constantly with words we cannot understand. He makes vowel sounds very well, but consonants are difficult. Sam also has oral motor difficulties; he drools, doesn't chew his food well, has poor lip strength and tongue movement. All of these things continue to improve, but progress is slow. In just the last couple of years he has learned to blow, but sucking through a straw is still very difficult for him. Because of the language delays it is very hard to test cognitive abilities. When Sam finally received a non-verbal intelligence test (I think at the end of first grade) he tested in the low-normal range. Sam has always understood sign language better than he understand spoken language (though he shows no hearing loss). He also seems to understand my speech better than he understands someone else. I have never been able to understand why this is. Someone has written about their child having an auditory processing problem. I wonder if this may be the case with Sam, but it has not been diagnosed. Keep your hopes up for reading; Sam is learning to read, but as with everything else, it's been slow going. He is reading at about a first grade level, I'd say. I get so frustrated, because I feel so strongly that if I could just find the right method to teach him, he could learn so much more, but I just don't know what that right method is!! He often shows us how intelligent he is, his visual memory is great. If we are in the car, and I make a wrong turn, or go somewhere unexpected, he immediately questions it, because he knows where we should be turning whether it's going to a relative's house, or a store, or school. He loves NASCAR, and can tell you who drives just about any car, which driver's are brothers, who has a new paint job, and more details about the last race than I can remember myself! I just don't know how to parlay these things into reading and math! What kind of schooling does Jimmy do? Sam is in an elementary school which has a class that has a combination of deaf/hard of hearing kids and hearing kids. This has been great for his social and communication skills, being around all these kids who are using speech and sign language. But for academics he really needs one-on-one time. Sam also gets distracted very easily, which can make learning difficult (or completing many tasks for that matter). His neuro recently prescribed Ritalin for him to see if it will help with that. So far we're not sure if makes any difference, but we'll see how things go when school starts. Thanks for sharing, Christie, mom to Sam (10 years old, BPP) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2001 Report Share Posted August 27, 2001 , Jimmy sounds similar to my son Sam in many respects. Sam is physically delayed due to left sided hemi-paresis, but he can walk, run, climb, ride a scooter, etc. Sam's most difficult area also is language. He has been mostly non-verbal, but says some words which we can understand, and talks constantly with words we cannot understand. He makes vowel sounds very well, but consonants are difficult. Sam also has oral motor difficulties; he drools, doesn't chew his food well, has poor lip strength and tongue movement. All of these things continue to improve, but progress is slow. In just the last couple of years he has learned to blow, but sucking through a straw is still very difficult for him. Because of the language delays it is very hard to test cognitive abilities. When Sam finally received a non-verbal intelligence test (I think at the end of first grade) he tested in the low-normal range. Sam has always understood sign language better than he understand spoken language (though he shows no hearing loss). He also seems to understand my speech better than he understands someone else. I have never been able to understand why this is. Someone has written about their child having an auditory processing problem. I wonder if this may be the case with Sam, but it has not been diagnosed. Keep your hopes up for reading; Sam is learning to read, but as with everything else, it's been slow going. He is reading at about a first grade level, I'd say. I get so frustrated, because I feel so strongly that if I could just find the right method to teach him, he could learn so much more, but I just don't know what that right method is!! He often shows us how intelligent he is, his visual memory is great. If we are in the car, and I make a wrong turn, or go somewhere unexpected, he immediately questions it, because he knows where we should be turning whether it's going to a relative's house, or a store, or school. He loves NASCAR, and can tell you who drives just about any car, which driver's are brothers, who has a new paint job, and more details about the last race than I can remember myself! I just don't know how to parlay these things into reading and math! What kind of schooling does Jimmy do? Sam is in an elementary school which has a class that has a combination of deaf/hard of hearing kids and hearing kids. This has been great for his social and communication skills, being around all these kids who are using speech and sign language. But for academics he really needs one-on-one time. Sam also gets distracted very easily, which can make learning difficult (or completing many tasks for that matter). His neuro recently prescribed Ritalin for him to see if it will help with that. So far we're not sure if makes any difference, but we'll see how things go when school starts. Thanks for sharing, Christie, mom to Sam (10 years old, BPP) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 Hi . Hope things are going ok for you. Funny thing is before I came to work for the VA Hospital, I worked for Fairview in Bloomington! Fairview is not far at all! Very good care comes from Fairview, but it is hard to work there. When I was there, there was a lot of cut backs and staffing shortages. Which Fairview does she work at (they have several hospitals and clinics - seems they are growing!!)? Take care . questions Sandie, Am I under the correct impression that your uncle has LBD too? Is he older or younger than your father was? When is this seminar in Mpls? I probably couldn't go, but maybe my sister could. She lives in Lino Lakes. That brings up my next question: , My sister works in the lab at Fairview. Is that near you? (I'll wave when I fly over) from Florida Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 Hi . Hope things are going ok for you. Funny thing is before I came to work for the VA Hospital, I worked for Fairview in Bloomington! Fairview is not far at all! Very good care comes from Fairview, but it is hard to work there. When I was there, there was a lot of cut backs and staffing shortages. Which Fairview does she work at (they have several hospitals and clinics - seems they are growing!!)? Take care . questions Sandie, Am I under the correct impression that your uncle has LBD too? Is he older or younger than your father was? When is this seminar in Mpls? I probably couldn't go, but maybe my sister could. She lives in Lino Lakes. That brings up my next question: , My sister works in the lab at Fairview. Is that near you? (I'll wave when I fly over) from Florida Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 In answer to your question, my Uncle is 68 and has been diagnosed with Parkinson's for about 10 yrs. He is 3 yrs older than my dad. Just within the past 3 weeks or so he has starting to have hallucinations. So far no LBD diagnosis, just waiting to hear how his progression is going. Thank you for asking about him. Still haven't heard on the times, and dates for the seminar...but will pass along the info. as soon as I get it. Sandie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2004 Report Share Posted November 22, 2004 People die from all sorts of things. Isolating where e-coli comes from is difficult. When I run across anecdotal information I often inquire as to what other deaths she saw in the practice, and what the basis for making the diagnosis was, etc. CDC would have on file if this incident happened in the last several decades. Presenting your daughter (her age?) with data indicating the safety of raw milk would be good, but also showing how unsubstantiated anecdotal info can be dangerous is a positive step. In addition, she needs to inquire about her friend’s attitude IN GENERAL concerning raw milk, i.e. was she already afraid of it? What is her attitude about other “out of the norm” dietary issues? Help your daughter to learn to analyze the source and validity. www.MajestyFarm.com It must be obvious that liberty necessarily means freedom to choose foolishly as well as wisely; freedom to choose evil as well as good; freedom to enjoy the rewards of good judgment, and freedom to suffer the penalties of bad judgment. If this is not true, the word " freedom " has no meaning. – Ben Moreell From: Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 4:43 AM To: RawDairy Subject: Questions Last night at dinner, my oldest daughter raised some concerns to me about our drinking raw milk. She said she's discussed it with some of her friends and co-workers, and each time she brings it up, they all tell her how dangerous raw dairy is! She is no longer drinking it and said she wants to read up on it more and do some research before she can feel comfortable drinking raw milk. When I asked her what they say is so dangerous about raw dairy, she said they all told her you can die from Ecoli because it hasn't been pasteurized. Her best friend was the most adamant, telling her " that's like playing Russian roulette! " . My daughter's best friend is a nanny and she told my daughter that her former employer was a pediatrician who treated a family of 3 children who supposedly got sick from drinking raw milk. She said one of the children died, and the other came close to dying. This was in Buffalo, NY...anyone else ever heard of this? I am not afraid of drinking raw dairy, but comments from people like this really annoy me. I'd like to hear what other people think about the negative reactions from non Raw Dairy people out there, or any helpful suggestions in what to say or how to deal with them. I'd appreciate it. Mostly I just don't discuss it or tell people we're drinking raw dairy, mainly because I don't want to have to justify myself to anyone. Thanks, PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING! Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2004 Report Share Posted November 22, 2004 People die from all sorts of things. Isolating where e-coli comes from is difficult. When I run across anecdotal information I often inquire as to what other deaths she saw in the practice, and what the basis for making the diagnosis was, etc. CDC would have on file if this incident happened in the last several decades. Presenting your daughter (her age?) with data indicating the safety of raw milk would be good, but also showing how unsubstantiated anecdotal info can be dangerous is a positive step. In addition, she needs to inquire about her friend’s attitude IN GENERAL concerning raw milk, i.e. was she already afraid of it? What is her attitude about other “out of the norm” dietary issues? Help your daughter to learn to analyze the source and validity. www.MajestyFarm.com It must be obvious that liberty necessarily means freedom to choose foolishly as well as wisely; freedom to choose evil as well as good; freedom to enjoy the rewards of good judgment, and freedom to suffer the penalties of bad judgment. If this is not true, the word " freedom " has no meaning. – Ben Moreell From: Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 4:43 AM To: RawDairy Subject: Questions Last night at dinner, my oldest daughter raised some concerns to me about our drinking raw milk. She said she's discussed it with some of her friends and co-workers, and each time she brings it up, they all tell her how dangerous raw dairy is! She is no longer drinking it and said she wants to read up on it more and do some research before she can feel comfortable drinking raw milk. When I asked her what they say is so dangerous about raw dairy, she said they all told her you can die from Ecoli because it hasn't been pasteurized. Her best friend was the most adamant, telling her " that's like playing Russian roulette! " . My daughter's best friend is a nanny and she told my daughter that her former employer was a pediatrician who treated a family of 3 children who supposedly got sick from drinking raw milk. She said one of the children died, and the other came close to dying. This was in Buffalo, NY...anyone else ever heard of this? I am not afraid of drinking raw dairy, but comments from people like this really annoy me. I'd like to hear what other people think about the negative reactions from non Raw Dairy people out there, or any helpful suggestions in what to say or how to deal with them. I'd appreciate it. Mostly I just don't discuss it or tell people we're drinking raw dairy, mainly because I don't want to have to justify myself to anyone. Thanks, PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING! Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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