Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 I have questioned my family about these diseases for as far back as the 20's and 30's. The conclusion was they never heard of anyone having complications to any of those diseases or long term problems. They said when they got sick they were kept home and not sent to day care centers to have others take care of their children, therefore they didn't expose their children to anyone else during the duration of these diseases. I think the drug companies and the CDC have gone completely overboard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 I have always heard that varicella (chickenpox/shingles) is much worse for an adult than a child. Here is a post from some ladies from another group. Kathy, Shingles use to be a disease of the elderly. Because the varicella virus stays in your body most people who have healthy immune systems, and passive exposure don't come down with shingles. The other thing I remember was when I was a kid my mother would be happy to see a lot of chicken pox erupt. She said that a good outbreak is how the virus left the body. Hold that thought. Now with the chickenpox vaccine, it is not allowing our kids to gain natural immunity. Now because of the chickenpox vaccine we are not getting passive exposure to reactivate our antibodies. The reason most elderly get the shingles is because as we age our immune systems become weaker, not to mention all the drugs, and poor nutrition the elderly deal with. Now we are seeing shingles in young children because of the vaccine, also the chickenpox is on the rise again even in the vaccinated. Instead of using their common sense and stopping the vaccine they are talking about a booster, and of course adding the shingles vaccine to the mix. They create the disease and then find a vaccine for it. Peggy --- > The school that I work at had a shingles outbreak among middle children - 10 out of about 1200. They all had the chicken pox vaccine - most were out for about 2 weeks. I can't help but think that because of the vaccine when the body is under stress of hormones during the adolescent years, you might end up with shingles. > > Kath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 I have always heard that varicella (chickenpox/shingles) is much worse for an adult than a child. Here is a post from some ladies from another group. Kathy, Shingles use to be a disease of the elderly. Because the varicella virus stays in your body most people who have healthy immune systems, and passive exposure don't come down with shingles. The other thing I remember was when I was a kid my mother would be happy to see a lot of chicken pox erupt. She said that a good outbreak is how the virus left the body. Hold that thought. Now with the chickenpox vaccine, it is not allowing our kids to gain natural immunity. Now because of the chickenpox vaccine we are not getting passive exposure to reactivate our antibodies. The reason most elderly get the shingles is because as we age our immune systems become weaker, not to mention all the drugs, and poor nutrition the elderly deal with. Now we are seeing shingles in young children because of the vaccine, also the chickenpox is on the rise again even in the vaccinated. Instead of using their common sense and stopping the vaccine they are talking about a booster, and of course adding the shingles vaccine to the mix. They create the disease and then find a vaccine for it. Peggy --- > The school that I work at had a shingles outbreak among middle children - 10 out of about 1200. They all had the chicken pox vaccine - most were out for about 2 weeks. I can't help but think that because of the vaccine when the body is under stress of hormones during the adolescent years, you might end up with shingles. > > Kath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 I have always heard that varicella (chickenpox/shingles) is much worse for an adult than a child. Here is a post from some ladies from another group. Kathy, Shingles use to be a disease of the elderly. Because the varicella virus stays in your body most people who have healthy immune systems, and passive exposure don't come down with shingles. The other thing I remember was when I was a kid my mother would be happy to see a lot of chicken pox erupt. She said that a good outbreak is how the virus left the body. Hold that thought. Now with the chickenpox vaccine, it is not allowing our kids to gain natural immunity. Now because of the chickenpox vaccine we are not getting passive exposure to reactivate our antibodies. The reason most elderly get the shingles is because as we age our immune systems become weaker, not to mention all the drugs, and poor nutrition the elderly deal with. Now we are seeing shingles in young children because of the vaccine, also the chickenpox is on the rise again even in the vaccinated. Instead of using their common sense and stopping the vaccine they are talking about a booster, and of course adding the shingles vaccine to the mix. They create the disease and then find a vaccine for it. Peggy --- > The school that I work at had a shingles outbreak among middle children - 10 out of about 1200. They all had the chicken pox vaccine - most were out for about 2 weeks. I can't help but think that because of the vaccine when the body is under stress of hormones during the adolescent years, you might end up with shingles. > > Kath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 I think medical professionals could be a little more common sense about it, too. If the MMR causes complications, and we all know it does for some children, then why not have the vaccines split, or even consider not immunizing for some until certain ages. Like we know mumps can make boys sterile, so why not have a wait-and-see for those who want to, but make sure to get them the vaccine if, by age 10 or so, they haven't contracted it. My first daughter's ped suggested we not do chicken pox until school age and give her a chance to contract it naturally. Of course, some people who do contract the diseases will suffer. Is it measles that can cause vision loss and mumps that can cause hearing loss? These are serious issues and I have to admit because I've never met anyone who suffered from it I tend to blow it off. But ask their mothers and they will feel just as strongly about preventing the diseases as we do autism. <sigh> life is so complicated sometimes! Debi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 I think medical professionals could be a little more common sense about it, too. If the MMR causes complications, and we all know it does for some children, then why not have the vaccines split, or even consider not immunizing for some until certain ages. Like we know mumps can make boys sterile, so why not have a wait-and-see for those who want to, but make sure to get them the vaccine if, by age 10 or so, they haven't contracted it. My first daughter's ped suggested we not do chicken pox until school age and give her a chance to contract it naturally. Of course, some people who do contract the diseases will suffer. Is it measles that can cause vision loss and mumps that can cause hearing loss? These are serious issues and I have to admit because I've never met anyone who suffered from it I tend to blow it off. But ask their mothers and they will feel just as strongly about preventing the diseases as we do autism. <sigh> life is so complicated sometimes! Debi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 There ya go! It is always the bottom line........whether its the drug companies, school districts, etc., etc.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 There ya go! It is always the bottom line........whether its the drug companies, school districts, etc., etc.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Well, my grandmother almost died from the chicken pox, she was hospitilized for over 6 months. Complications do occur. I wouldn't want my son to have any of those diseases. Also, for all of them, you are contagious 2 days before the rash appears, so you can spread it to people before you even know you're sick, that's why they break out in epedemics. Amnesty > I have questioned my family about these diseases for as far back as the 20's > and 30's. The conclusion was they never heard of anyone having complications > to any of those diseases or long term problems. They said when they got sick > they were kept home and not sent to day care centers to have others take care > of their children, therefore they didn't expose their children to anyone else > during the duration of these diseases. > I think the drug companies and the CDC have gone completely overboard. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Well, my grandmother almost died from the chicken pox, she was hospitilized for over 6 months. Complications do occur. I wouldn't want my son to have any of those diseases. Also, for all of them, you are contagious 2 days before the rash appears, so you can spread it to people before you even know you're sick, that's why they break out in epedemics. Amnesty > I have questioned my family about these diseases for as far back as the 20's > and 30's. The conclusion was they never heard of anyone having complications > to any of those diseases or long term problems. They said when they got sick > they were kept home and not sent to day care centers to have others take care > of their children, therefore they didn't expose their children to anyone else > during the duration of these diseases. > I think the drug companies and the CDC have gone completely overboard. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Girl you keep doing what you're doing. We have to do what we can for our kids. If along the way we are able to help each other and also maybe inform others to not be ignorant and question everything, no matter what. Don't just except what the medical profession says.....dig deeper...... I know my children's doctor had their best interest at heart, but because he just excepted what the journals and government told him. It is a combination of a lot of screw ups! Our children are blessed to have parents who advocate for them..just think about the children who don't and the children in the future who will be damaged. How fortunate for your Ella she has you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Girl you keep doing what you're doing. We have to do what we can for our kids. If along the way we are able to help each other and also maybe inform others to not be ignorant and question everything, no matter what. Don't just except what the medical profession says.....dig deeper...... I know my children's doctor had their best interest at heart, but because he just excepted what the journals and government told him. It is a combination of a lot of screw ups! Our children are blessed to have parents who advocate for them..just think about the children who don't and the children in the future who will be damaged. How fortunate for your Ella she has you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Girl you keep doing what you're doing. We have to do what we can for our kids. If along the way we are able to help each other and also maybe inform others to not be ignorant and question everything, no matter what. Don't just except what the medical profession says.....dig deeper...... I know my children's doctor had their best interest at heart, but because he just excepted what the journals and government told him. It is a combination of a lot of screw ups! Our children are blessed to have parents who advocate for them..just think about the children who don't and the children in the future who will be damaged. How fortunate for your Ella she has you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 That's the way it is with all viruses. They are extremely virulent even before you realize you are having an immune response. Viruses are very stealthy that way. > Also, for all of them, you are > contagious 2 days before the rash appears, so you can spread it to > people before you even know you're sick, that's why they break out in > epedemics. > Amnesty > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 That's the way it is with all viruses. They are extremely virulent even before you realize you are having an immune response. Viruses are very stealthy that way. > Also, for all of them, you are > contagious 2 days before the rash appears, so you can spread it to > people before you even know you're sick, that's why they break out in > epedemics. > Amnesty > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Well they had to find a new market to exploit...its all about money!!! Aimee Amnesty wrote: Well, my grandmother almost died from the chicken pox, she was hospitilized for over 6 months. Complications do occur. I wouldn't want my son to have any of those diseases. Also, for all of them, you are contagious 2 days before the rash appears, so you can spread it to people before you even know you're sick, that's why they break out in epedemics. Amnesty > I have questioned my family about these diseases for as far back as the 20's > and 30's. The conclusion was they never heard of anyone having complications > to any of those diseases or long term problems. They said when they got sick > they were kept home and not sent to day care centers to have others take care > of their children, therefore they didn't expose their children to anyone else > during the duration of these diseases. > I think the drug companies and the CDC have gone completely overboard. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Well they had to find a new market to exploit...its all about money!!! Aimee Amnesty wrote: Well, my grandmother almost died from the chicken pox, she was hospitilized for over 6 months. Complications do occur. I wouldn't want my son to have any of those diseases. Also, for all of them, you are contagious 2 days before the rash appears, so you can spread it to people before you even know you're sick, that's why they break out in epedemics. Amnesty > I have questioned my family about these diseases for as far back as the 20's > and 30's. The conclusion was they never heard of anyone having complications > to any of those diseases or long term problems. They said when they got sick > they were kept home and not sent to day care centers to have others take care > of their children, therefore they didn't expose their children to anyone else > during the duration of these diseases. > I think the drug companies and the CDC have gone completely overboard. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Well they had to find a new market to exploit...its all about money!!! Aimee Amnesty wrote: Well, my grandmother almost died from the chicken pox, she was hospitilized for over 6 months. Complications do occur. I wouldn't want my son to have any of those diseases. Also, for all of them, you are contagious 2 days before the rash appears, so you can spread it to people before you even know you're sick, that's why they break out in epedemics. Amnesty > I have questioned my family about these diseases for as far back as the 20's > and 30's. The conclusion was they never heard of anyone having complications > to any of those diseases or long term problems. They said when they got sick > they were kept home and not sent to day care centers to have others take care > of their children, therefore they didn't expose their children to anyone else > during the duration of these diseases. > I think the drug companies and the CDC have gone completely overboard. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Sometimes I feel so guilty for not knowing more when I immunized my daughter, I trusted her pediatritian, and the handouts she gave me. It makes me want to travel back in time so bad, sometimes I wonder what Ella would be like right now if she hadent been injected with all the horrible things they gave her. It kills me to think she might have been ok, I could cry for days, years, decades about that one thing, my anger could fuel a rocket...I just wish I could do something, I wish the medical world could truly fix their boo boos, but they cant, and probably wouldnt even if they could. So I am an advocate, I am a fighter, I am a therapist, I am a mother of a vaccine damnaged child! What can we do? Aimee ASNEEMA@... wrote: There ya go! It is always the bottom line........whether its the drug companies, school districts, etc., etc.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Sometimes I feel so guilty for not knowing more when I immunized my daughter, I trusted her pediatritian, and the handouts she gave me. It makes me want to travel back in time so bad, sometimes I wonder what Ella would be like right now if she hadent been injected with all the horrible things they gave her. It kills me to think she might have been ok, I could cry for days, years, decades about that one thing, my anger could fuel a rocket...I just wish I could do something, I wish the medical world could truly fix their boo boos, but they cant, and probably wouldnt even if they could. So I am an advocate, I am a fighter, I am a therapist, I am a mother of a vaccine damnaged child! What can we do? Aimee ASNEEMA@... wrote: There ya go! It is always the bottom line........whether its the drug companies, school districts, etc., etc.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Sometimes I feel so guilty for not knowing more when I immunized my daughter, I trusted her pediatritian, and the handouts she gave me. It makes me want to travel back in time so bad, sometimes I wonder what Ella would be like right now if she hadent been injected with all the horrible things they gave her. It kills me to think she might have been ok, I could cry for days, years, decades about that one thing, my anger could fuel a rocket...I just wish I could do something, I wish the medical world could truly fix their boo boos, but they cant, and probably wouldnt even if they could. So I am an advocate, I am a fighter, I am a therapist, I am a mother of a vaccine damnaged child! What can we do? Aimee ASNEEMA@... wrote: There ya go! It is always the bottom line........whether its the drug companies, school districts, etc., etc.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Shouldnt my pediatritian have told me to wait if Ella had allergies and food intolerances? No one ever said anything!!! Aimee Amnesty wrote: It's mostly the measles that is so aggressive on the GI system. We were planning on getting the mumps and rubella seperately b/c of that, but now I need to find out if the corn is in all of them, or just in the combo one. Now I'm wondering if that's why he reacted to one of the others, I can't remember which, I have it written down though. We did mostly seperate shots and never 2 on the same day, I think that makes a difference too. Those combos are so overwhelming to little immune systems! Amnesty > Aimee, > > The MMR does not contain thimerosal, never has. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Shouldnt my pediatritian have told me to wait if Ella had allergies and food intolerances? No one ever said anything!!! Aimee Amnesty wrote: It's mostly the measles that is so aggressive on the GI system. We were planning on getting the mumps and rubella seperately b/c of that, but now I need to find out if the corn is in all of them, or just in the combo one. Now I'm wondering if that's why he reacted to one of the others, I can't remember which, I have it written down though. We did mostly seperate shots and never 2 on the same day, I think that makes a difference too. Those combos are so overwhelming to little immune systems! Amnesty > Aimee, > > The MMR does not contain thimerosal, never has. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Shouldnt my pediatritian have told me to wait if Ella had allergies and food intolerances? No one ever said anything!!! Aimee Amnesty wrote: It's mostly the measles that is so aggressive on the GI system. We were planning on getting the mumps and rubella seperately b/c of that, but now I need to find out if the corn is in all of them, or just in the combo one. Now I'm wondering if that's why he reacted to one of the others, I can't remember which, I have it written down though. We did mostly seperate shots and never 2 on the same day, I think that makes a difference too. Those combos are so overwhelming to little immune systems! Amnesty > Aimee, > > The MMR does not contain thimerosal, never has. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Thanks..... Again I'll say it...these groups and you moms are my rock, I couldnt do it without the support I get in just a few lines of email everyday!!! I guess if we all stick together and help eachother we can make a difference... Aimee ASNEEMA@... wrote: Girl you keep doing what you're doing. We have to do what we can for our kids. If along the way we are able to help each other and also maybe inform others to not be ignorant and question everything, no matter what. Don't just except what the medical profession says.....dig deeper...... I know my children's doctor had their best interest at heart, but because he just excepted what the journals and government told him. It is a combination of a lot of screw ups! Our children are blessed to have parents who advocate for them..just think about the children who don't and the children in the future who will be damaged. How fortunate for your Ella she has you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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